Grandma stabs her 4 year old granddaughter to death,then is stabbed by her own daughter,in TX
Joe1orbit
Hello,
Over in Texas, 38 year old Jessie May Ivy stabbed her 4 year old
granddaughter, Shawn, to death. The 4 year old girl's mother woke up about
6 AM this morning, and saw her mommy, 38 year old Jessie May, washing blood
off a knife. She then saw that her daughter had been stabbed to death. At
that point, the 18 year old mommy of the dead 4 year old proceeded to
attack her own mommy and stabbed her in the neck and shoulder, leaving her
in critical condition.
So, to simplify things: 38 year old grandma stabs 4 year old to death.
18 year old mommy then attacks 38 year old grandma, and stabs her, leaving
her in critical condition. Please note that the mommy of this 4 year old
girl is only EIGHTEEN years old herself! Which means she was 14 when she
gave birth to this now murdered daughter. In my reality, this newborn baby
would have automatically been seized by the state, and all parental tights
terminated, due to the fact that her mommy was a 14 year old minor. And so,
the 4 year old would still be alive & well under my rule.
But of course we all know that children are worthless in this society,
being nothing more than slaves and pieces of property, owned by their
biological creators. So there you go, an inferior family, unworthy of being
entrusted with the raising of a helpless child, and the result is the death
of that helpless child. And the blood is on the hands of each and every one
of you, who consider yourselves members of this society.
Take care, JOE
The following appears courtesy of today's United Press International
news wire:
Woman arrested for slaying grandchild
United Press International
Mon, 15 Sep 1997
FORT WORTH, Texas, Sept. 15 (UPI) -- A 38-year-old Texas woman has been
arrested for allegedly stabbing her 4-year-old granddaughter to death.
Lt. Mark Krey says Jessie May Ivy is in critical condition from wounds
suffered in a knife fight that followed with her 18-year-old daughter. He
says investigators have not determined what sparked the violence.
Krey says Jessie Ivy lived in a house with two of her daughters, and two
grandchildren. He says the 18-year-old daughter awoke about 6 a.m. to find
her mother washing blood off a knife and her daughter Shawn dead.
Krey says Ivy was stabbed in the neck and upper shoulder during the
ensuing fight. She was taken to John Peter Smith Hospital where she remains
in critical condition.
Krey says it may be a few days before formal charges are filed.
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Joe1orbit
Hello,
Here is a rather detailed update on this case out of Fort Worth, Texas,
where a 38 year old Grandma attacked and stabbed to death her four year old
granddaughter, as the little girl slept. The 4 year old's mother, who is
only 18 years old herself, upon awakening, saw that her daughter was dead
and her mother washing blood off a knife. At that point, the 18 year old
grabbed a knife of her own, and engaged grandma in a fierce knife fight,
that spilled out into the street, stabbing grandma in the face , neck, and
chest, leaving her in critical condition.
Police still do not have any clear motive for the attack by the
grandmother on her 4 year old granddaughter. The great-grandmother of the
little girl does state that her daughter & granddaughter argued a lot, but
is at a loss as to why her daughter would turn onher grandchild and stab
her to death as she slept. Police are putting forth the hypothesis that our
deadly grandma may have been under the influence of some drug, but right
now there is absolutely no solid evidence to support this theory.
Our 38 year old grandma does have an extensive history of arrests, but
all of those arrests were for prostitution, and none of them involved any
violence. It figures that a 38 year old woman, with an 18 year old daughter
and a 4 year old granddaughter would be the promiscuous sort. I wonder if
her daughter, who gave birth at age 14, was prostituting herself and failed
to use proper protection, resulting in the pregnancy and birth of this
ill-fated little girl?
Believe it or not, the 18 year old daughter has another child, a one
year old, AND is currently preggers with her THIRD child. Whoops, make that
her second child, now that her oldeset daughtest has been stabbed to death
by grandma. Maybe grandma was just trying to send a message to her
daughter, telling her to STOP popping babies out of her damn oven.
The 18 year old did suffer deep defensive wounds to her hands in the
knife fight, but the fetus inside her womb was apparently not injured, at
least not in a physically visible manner. She was treated at the hospital,
and then released. Despite the fact that she initiated an attack against
her mother, upon awakening and seeing her daughter stabbed to death, no
criminal charges have been filed against her, and right now, police say
they do not expect to file charges against her.
They do expect to file charges against Grandma, but since she is in
critical condition at the hospital, there is no rush on the part of police,
and no charges have yet been filed against her either.
Take care, JOE
The following appears courtesy of the 9/16/97 online edition of The Fort
Worth Star-Telegram newspaper:
Tuesday, Sep. 16, 1997
Sleeping girl, 4, slashed to death in Fort Worth
By Kathy Sanders
Star-Telegram Staff Writer
FORT WORTH -- A knife wielding woman slit her sleeping granddaughter's
throat early yesterday, then engaged the slain 4- year-old's mother in a
savage knife fight that ended when the critically wounded grandmother
collapsed in the street, police said.
Officials said they have been unable to determine a motive for the attack
on the child, who was pronounced dead at the family's home in the 700 block
of South Beach Street.
Shaun Traniece Michelle Ivy was stabbed repeatedly in the back and throat,
in addition to having her throat slit, police said.
"The only potential motive we have, and it's pure speculation at this
point, is that she [the grandmother] may have ingested some controlled
substance," said Lt. Mark Krey, a police spokesman.
The child's great-grandmother, Carrie Collins, said that she could not
rationalize the attack.
"I just don't understand. I don't understand what happened," Collins said.
"That baby had no problem. It was mama and daughter had the problem. They
argued all the time," Collins said of the grandmother and the child's mother.
The grandmother, a 38-year-old who police said has a long history of
prostitution convictions but no record of violence, suffered numerous stab
wounds in the face, neck and chest and was listed in critical condition
yesterday after surgery at John Peter Smith Hospital.
She is not being identified because charges have not been filed.
Her 18-year-old daughter, Amy Ivy, who also has a year-old daughter and is
pregnant with her third child, suffered what police classified as deep,
defensive wounds on her hands in the 6:30 a.m. attack. She was released
after treatment at the hospital.
Ivy later was taken to police headquarters to give investigators a
statement, but no charges are expected to be filed in the stabbing of her
mother, Kratz said.
"We're relying a lot on witness and suspect statements," he said. "We can
see the basic evidence at the scene. . . . We need to stress that we are in
the early stages of the investigation and we've received nothing back from
the crime lab."
Collins, who was summoned from cancer treatment yesterday to care for
Ivy's infant daughter and 10-year-old sister, said that she attended a
family gathering in the family's home Sunday night and that nothing seemed
amiss.
"We were all happy. I just fed Shaun. Everyone was watching the videos and
movies and there was no trouble," she said.
"I sure hate this. That baby was her [the grandmother's] heart. She wasn't
trying to hurt her."
Police said five people were inside the house yesterday morning: the
grandmother, who had been sleeping with her year-old granddaughter, Jasmine
Carter, in a front bedroom; Amy Ivy, who was sleeping on a couch in the
living room where she had fallen asleep watching television; the
grandmother's 10-year-old daughter, LaKenya Ivy, who was sleeping on the
floor of the living room; and Shaun Traniece, who was asleep in a middle
bedroom.
"We don't have a clear picture of when the 4-year-old was stabbed.
Hopefully, they will shed some light after the autopsy on how long the
child had been dead," Kratz said.
"We believe the grandmother got up and at some point she killed the
4-year-old," he said. At some point, the mother, Amy, heard some noise and
got up to see what was happening in the front bedroom and got in a
confrontation with the grandmother, he said.
During the confrontation, the grandmother slashed at Amy Ivy with a
butcher knife and cut her hands, he said.
The two struggled over the knife in the hallway, in the living room and on
the driveway outside before the older woman fled and collapsed in the
street median. She had lost her nightgown in the scuffle and was nude when
police arrived.
Neighbors described the relationship between the grandmother and her
daughter as combative, apparently a result of problems that included
nonpayment of bills and Ivy's third pregnancy.
"When they fought, you could hear them. She [the grandmother] was a loud
woman, a very loud woman, and she would fuss all the time," said neighbor
Elnora Richard. "I'd talk to her from the porch, but I'd never been over there."
A week ago Sunday, the grandmother and daughter had thrown knick-knacks
and dishes into the street and the grandmother had piled her daughter's
clothes and belongings on the front porch, said Richard and her daughter,
Lautina Coleman.
Neither neighbor said they believed that the grandmother would hurt her
grandchildren.
"I never thought anything like this would happen," Richard said. "She was
always taking care of the kids. She'd always fuss. . . . She always acted
like she loved those kids."
In recent months, Collins said, Ivy and her two children had gone to a
homeless shelter. The grandmother, however, took them back home because of
the children, Collins said.
The grandmother usually arose at 4 a.m. and by 8 a.m. would be sitting in
a dark green chair on the front porch, hollering at children or fighting
with her daughters, said relatives and neighbors.
Police said the grandmother was convicted numerous times for prostitution
between 1988 and 1991 and had what her family called a past problem with
crack cocaine. Police said she had no record of violent incidents.
Jake Wyatt, the grandmother's fiance, said he was at the family's home
Sunday and then spoke with the woman by telephone again about 10 p.m.
"Nobody had any problems. She called me and said she was going to bed," he
said.
He said Amy Ivy does not hold a job.
"The girl didn't want to do for herself. She sat here all this time and
wouldn't get her a job," Wyatt said. "She graduated and got a four-year
scholarship. But how you going to go to college . . . when you got three
kids, no husband and no job?"
Eric Saeger
Joe1orbit wrote:
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> Hello,
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> Over in Texas, 38 year old Jessie May Ivy stabbed her 4 year old
This sounds kinda funny to me. Will be interesting to see if it turns
out it was actually the granny or yet another maniac teen who should
have handed the lil kid over to Uncle Joe's Day Care (tm) (R).
Everyone's Sunny Day,
Eric
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John A. Gregor, Jr.
Have the police been able to verify the mother's claim that Grandma did
the killing? Mommy could be lying you know.
-JohnG
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From what I've read and heard on TV, the police don't seem to question
that the grandmother did it. First reports mentioned Grandma's use of
crack cocaine, and they continue to report her previous arrests for
prostitution. I wonder what that fight was like, that Grandma's
nightgown somehow came off completely during the mêlée and she ended up
on the median.
Linda