elizabeth haysom
Patty
diana wrote: perhaps one of the most baffling, intelligent, and enigmatic
criminals
: of the century. since her incarceration, she has only done one
: interview, and she doesn't answer mail. i'm sorta sorry that this
: strange case didn't get more media attention/follow-up.
:
: anybody know anything about her? thanks.
This case was written up in the book "Beyond Doubt."
Haysom and her European boyfriend (German?) killed her wealthy parents in
Virginia (?)
in the mid 1980s. Didn't the boyfriend say that he did not do the killings?
I think that Dateline or
20/20 may have also done some pieces on this story years ago.
Another murder of parents by children is documented in the book "Seeds of
Evil"
by Carlton Smith. Smith is known for quickly but not well written true
crime books.
Dana Ewell hired a college roommate to kill his parents and sister for their
$8 million estate in the early 1990s. He was 21 when his parents were
murdered and
their will specified the bulk of their estate would be held in trust and
distributed on
Dana Ewell's 25th, 30th and 35th birthdays. He did, though, have access to
his grandmother's
$400k trust fund. Reputed to have an IQ of 180, he graduated with honors
from Santa Clara
University, a private Jesuit college, a year after the murders took place.
Murder charges were not filed until three years after their murder and then
the assets were frozen. Ewell ended up being represented by a county public
defender at his trial and was convicted in 1998. What was most interesting
about the case is that while his parents were being murdered by his friend,
Dana was having dinner in the Bay Area with his girlfriend and her family,
including her father, an FBI agent.
He has a webpage with his picture, along with other inmates at
http://www.inmate.com/inmates/danaewell.htm
Pretty weird since he still lists himself as a student and doesn't mention
why he is in prison.
seria...@uswest.net
nice letter, in fact. I think she is just selective in who to respond
to. I don't know.
Bonnie
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
seria...@uswest.net
project I am doing, so I am unable to respond beyond that.
Confidentiality is a must. But she is okay!
seria...@uswest.net
Discovery Channel. It was on like last month, and will probably repeat
several times!
Patty
> i knew about 'beyond reason' but i didn't know about 'beyond doubt' -
> thanks for the info. i know that hard copy something about the haysom
> murders a few years back. i will have to check out that other book.
> thanks!
>
What is "Beyond Reason" about and who wrote it?
It seems like this and other posts you made that you are interested in
murders involving children murdering their parents. One of the best
true crime books that I have ever read is "Bad Blood: Family Murders in
Marin County" by Richard Levine. I read it back when it first came out
in the early 1980s so I'm not sure if you can get it anymore but it
might be in the library.
Its about a teen age girl who gets her boyfriend to murder her parents.
Two things I remember about the book:
1. The girl and her boyfriend tried to dispose the bodies by burning
them, but it turns out that IIR that not all bones of the body will
burn to ash.
2. The mother was stabbed to death. The boyfriend said that the girl,
Marlene, did this killing. Police or psychologists believed this
because it was such a brutal murder that it had to be done out of rage
and probably by someone close to the victim.
I wonder whatever became of Marlene Olive. I don't remember how she
and her boyfriend were sentenced.
seria...@uswest.net
project with many highly publicized cases, and not everyone has been
nice or acted appropriately (Bobby Joe Long, for one). But, it is
interesting! Alot harder now, since people sell their letters or
envelopes at eBay. The authors of such letters are more reluctant. I,
for one, would not break my promise of confidentiality. For me, it
would be unprofessional and possibly create bias in my results.
But, thanks for gushing about it! It was fun to see! If you want to
email me personally, I will let you know more!
Bonnie
ndn...@my-deja.com
satisp...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <8kdle6$erf$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Patty <patt...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >
> > > i knew about 'beyond reason' but i didn't
know about 'beyond doubt'
> -
> > > thanks for the info. i know that hard copy
something about the
> haysom
> > > murders a few years back. i will have to
check out that other book.
> > > thanks!
> > >
> >
> > What is "Beyond Reason" about and who wrote
it?
>
virginia when she convinced
> her boyfriend, jens soering, to murder her
parents. he apparently used
> a table knife and the murders were quite
gruesome. later, jens turned
> around and told said that elizabeth had
committed the murders and he had
> merely lied to protect her.
>
> elizabeth said that she had been doing a lot of
drugs at the time and
> that she didn't really expect jens to carry out
the murders. and, i
> think she may well have been surprised that he
actually did it.
>
> moral of the story: when a psychopath who keeps
copies of soldier of
> fortune lying around says he's going to do
something, take heed. (and
> no, not everyone who reads soldier of fortune
is a psychopath. i'm just
> saying those who happen to be psychopaths and
read soldier of fortune...
> well, as oprah winfrey put it, those little red
flags in a woman's head
> should go up).
>
> > It seems like this and other posts you made
that you are interested in
> > murders involving children murdering their
parents.
>
kind of like
> they're unpositive role models or something.
i've read about the
> late audrey marie hilley and blanche taylor
moore. women like that. i
> also remember following that space cadet case,
the girl who got mad
> because her boyfriend cheated on her with a
woman who was prettier than
> she was. (now she's claiming that she was
completely controlled by him
> and that she never had sex with him
voluntarily. weird.)
life at San Quentin, I believe..he should be out
by now. What's ironic is that, after the
murders, Marlene had relatively little to do with
him at all. I believe she only went to see him
in prison once, at the author's request. She got
out after a very short time served in a juvenile
facility. She became addicted to speed and
became a prostitute and then the author says she
disappeared from his life. Just like Daine
Zamora, the Texas cadet murderer, and Elizabeth
Haysom as well, she was the controlling,
dominating force in the murders, pretty pathetic,
since Marlene was very young at this time. She
was also adopted and was a heavy drug user.
Quite common in Northern Cal in the 70's. I had
this book by Levine and I wish I could find
another copy. It is a spooky, eerie book, I get
chills thinking about it.
> now i'm wondering too. interesting how that
kind of rage builds up.
> makes me wonder what kinds of interventions -
if any - would have helped
> her before things got that far out of control.
>
> diana
ndn...@my-deja.com
Patty <patt...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > i knew about 'beyond reason' but i didn't know about 'beyond
doubt' -
> > thanks for the info. i know that hard copy something about the
haysom
> > murders a few years back. i will have to check out that other book.
> > thanks!
> >
>
> What is "Beyond Reason" about and who wrote it?
>
> true crime books that I have ever read is "Bad Blood: Family Murders
in
> Marin County" by Richard Levine. I read it back when it first came
out
> in the early 1980s so I'm not sure if you can get it anymore but it
> might be in the library.
>
> Its about a teen age girl who gets her boyfriend to murder her
parents.
> Two things I remember about the book:
>
> 1. The girl and her boyfriend tried to dispose the bodies by burning
> them, but it turns out that IIR that not all bones of the body will
> burn to ash.
>
> 2. The mother was stabbed to death. The boyfriend said that the
girl,
> Marlene, did this killing. Police or psychologists believed this
> because it was such a brutal murder that it had to be done out of rage
> and probably by someone close to the victim.
>
> I wonder whatever became of Marlene Olive. I don't remember how she
> and her boyfriend were sentenced.
Marlene was given a relatively samll sentence which was served in a
juvenile facility. Chuck Riley, the boyfriend, received life at San
Quentin, if memory serves me correct. Ironically, Marlene never had
much to do with Chuck after the murders, I think she was even sleeping
with someone else by the time she was arrested. She was also adopted
and raised overseas in South America, where she was treated like a
princess. When her father was transferred back to the US, she was
thrown into culture shock when she was one among many American
teenagers, nothing special, rather plump and unobtrusive. Chuck was
the fat boy in the neighborhood that sold drugs to make friends. She
ruled his world, even though she was only 15 when they got together,he
was 19, out of high school.
Marlene Olive got addicted to speed when she was released and she only
saw Chuck once more, when she accompanied the author to San Quentin.
Son after, she became a prostitute and lost contact with the author. I
wonder if Chuck was released and what became of his life?
Elizabeth Haysom, Diane Zamora, the Texas cadet murderer, and Marlene
Olive were both the dominating force in the murders they partook in.
All the males in these stories were cuckolded, I know that both Chuck
Riley and David Graham (the cadet) were virgins and had relatively
little to do with the opposite sex before they met their partners in
crime.