Jeremy Sagastegui,tortured child and mentally ill victim of society,is legally murdered by his moral inf
Joe1orbit
>Hi Joe,
Hello Dani,
Joe1...@aol.com Wrote:
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>>advocate or support any criminal or illegal act. All comments
>>made in this Usenet post concerning the Governor of Washington
>>were made in a hypothetical, fictional manner. The author of
>>this Usenet post specifically condemns all acts of political
>>violence, and does not support, condone, or advocate any such
>>acts.
>Joe, I wish you didn't add this sort of disclaimer to any of
>your posts.
Nothing personal, but I really don't care what your wish is, in this regard.
I add the disclaimer as I see fit, for very specific reasons.
> It detracts from your message.
I don't care.
> I suspect it's a
>protective device.
It is none of your business why I choose to include legal disclaimers in some
of my posts.
> If it is, I don't see how it really would
>protect you in a society that has freely committed horrendous
>crimes against its citizens over and over again because they've
>dared to express their own true reality.
You are not expected to see. The disclaimer serves the purpose that I have
for using it. And I will continue to use it, because it provides very important
protections.
> If it won't protect
>you, there's no reason to dilute your published true reality by
>adding it.
Your opinion on whether or not it might protect me, is not of interest to me.
I have my own "opinion", I act upon that opinion, and the opinion is based
upon careful research.
Take care, JOE
>
>Dani K.
>
>--
>To reply, delete the stuff in my addy that's too stupid to be >real.
Joe1orbit
Congratulation, folks. Your society has done it again. It has MURDERED a
human being, a victim and a creation of itself. It chose to murder this young
man, at the tender age of 27, because he chose to act upon the totally
legitimate and accurate rage and hate that existed within his core reality,
having had this rage and hate forcibly imposed upon him, by your society.
What a PERVERSE outrage, for your diseased society to "preach" and try to
teach citizen-slaves that murder is wrong and unacceptable, and then to
MALEVOLENTLY choose to engage in MURDER, but not to CALL it murder, and instead
to use the ridiculous and insane term of "death penalty" to try and get you
citizen-slaves to rationalize allowing these acts of murder to occur, because
they are "legal" and sanctioned by the society to which you are enslaved.
Jeremy Sagastegui was murdered just a few hours ago, early this morning, in
Washington. He was MURDERED, in cold blood and with full malice aforethought.
He was murdered in the FIRST degree. Jeremy was 27 years old, a victim and a
creation of your society. He was a killer. He chose to kill human beings. He
succeeded in killing 3 human beings. He had every right to kill those human
beings, because he was CREATED and MADE into a killer, by the sum total of life
experiences that Jeremy was forced to endure by your society, from birth
onward. Instead of RECOGNIZING and acknowledging that Jeremy is a VICTIM, a
total victim, your society instead chose to MURDER him. In doing so, your
society not only validates the glorious right of Jeremy to have committed these
three murders, it ALSO reaffirms the absolute right of EVERY single child,
adolescent, and adult, who is victimized by your society, to seek and claim as
much VENGEANCE as he or she feels entitled to, with NO limitations of any kind.
Your society demonstrates it's own unworthyness, it's own NEED to be destroyed,
when it chooses to destroy one of it's own victimized creations.
I am PROUD of the fact that in November of 1995, Jeremy beat, raped, stabbed,
and drowned, a 3 year old boy that he was babysitting, to death. He then waited
for the 21 year old Mommy of the dead 3 year old to come home, and when she
did, he shot her to death along with her 26 year old female friend. Jeremy
harvested 3 human beings. He did so because he was full of rage and hate. He
felt this rage and hate due to the sum total of his own life experiences,
negative life experiences, as they were FORCIBLY IMPOSED upon him, as a child.
Here is what Jeremy's own Mommy has told the court, in a sworn affidavit: I
hated being pregnant with Jeremy. I used to hit my stomach and tell my unborn
child that I hated it". Jeremy is the CREATION of a rapist, his Mommy was
impregnated with him, by being raped. Throughout his entire childhood, he was
repeatedly raped, by numerous men, family members and family "friends".
Jeremy is a victim. IF your diseased society would acknowledge this fact and
TREAT Jeremy as being NOTHING more than a victim, there would be no need for
me, or anyone else, to be PROUD about Jeremy's triple murder. No. In that case,
I would freely admit that the 3 murdered humans are EQUAL VICTIMS to Jeremy.
And his act of killing them, while justified, does not deserve to be
CELEBRATED. But all that changes completely when your society decides to
declare that Jeremy is NOT an equal victim, and in fact must be PUNITIVELY
PUNISHED, and even legally murdered. That changes EVERYTHING, folks. As soon as
your diseased society takes away EQUAL VICTIMIZATION status from Jeremy, it
VALIDATES that he, Jeremy, is MORALLY SUPERIOR, despite having killed 3 people,
including a 3 year old child. He is STILL morally superior to your society.
And Jeremy's actions DO become worthy of "celebration", once he is punitively
punished by the society that created him. The very few rational and wise and
unbigoted human beings left in your diseased society, like me, recognize and
embrace the fact that by choosing to punitively punish Jeremy, you only succeed
in glorifying and validating not only HIS individual True Reality right to
commit murder, but the individual True Reality right to commit murder of ALL
the hundreds of thousands of VICTIMS that your society chooses to create. By
not recognizing Jeremy as a 100% victim, and not treating him as such, your
society SHOWS itself to be diseased and worthless, and the LIVES of EVERY human
being on planet earth to also be utterly worthless.
In a rational society, in a moral society, 10,000 people, 10,000
citizen-slaves, en masse, would gather outside the residence of the governor of
Washington. They would then STORM the residence, seize the governor, and AVENGE
Jeremy's murder. It was the governor, a societal leader, who had the full and
complete ability to save Jeremy from being MURDERED, and instead chose not to
do so, and to publically declare: "There is nothing extraordinary in this case
to merit leniency. Accordingly, I will not halt the execution.'' In a MORAL
society, this decision by this governor would be the LAST decision he would
ever be allowed to make.
This CHILD VICTIM of your society, Jeremy Sagastegui, was sexually abused as
a child. He was also mentally ill. I am PROUD to publically declare my
allegiance to Jeremy. I salute his life, his life choices, and his life
accomplishments. He is, in every sense of the word, a true MARTYR. His LIFE,
has been stolen from him and sacrified at the alter of insane hypocrisy,
rejection of Truth and rationality, primitive inferiority as a species, denied
malevolence, and perverse societal bloodlust, as PRACTICED by ameriKKKan
society, in the year 1998.
Jeremy was and is the MORAL SUPERIOR to ANY and ALL human beings who live
their lives as members of society. Even those who claim to OPPOSE the death
penalty. Jeremy is BETTER than all of you, and you have PROVEN this fact to be
true, in your choice to legally murder him.
Rest In Peace, Jeremy. You ARE a martyr, and you WILL be avenged.
Legal disclaimer: The person making this usenet post does not advocate or
support any criminal or illegal act. All comments made in this Usenet post
concerning the Governor of Washington were made in a hypothetical, fictional
manner. The author of this Usenet post specifically condemns all acts of
political violence, and does not support, condone, or advocate any such acts.
Take care, JOE
The following appears courtesy of today's Associated Press news wire:
Washington Executes Triple Killer
WALLA WALLA, Wash. (AP) -- A man who killed three people, including a
3-year-old boy he was baby-sitting, was executed by injection early Tuesday.
Jeremy Sagastegui, 27, died hours after the U.S. Supreme Court lifted a stay of
execution issued Sunday by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
On Nov. 19, 1995, Sagastegui beat, raped, stabbed and drowned Keivan Sarbacher,
whom he was baby-sitting at a friend's home in Finley, a small town in
south-central Washington. Sagastegui then shot and killed Keivan's mother,
Melissa Sarbacher, 21, and her friend Lisa Vera-Acevado, 26, when they arrived
home.
He later asked a jury to give him the death penalty, saying: ``I killed the
kid, I killed the mother and I killed her friend. And if their friends had come
over, I would've killed them, too.''
Sagastegui had asked that no appeals be filed on his behalf, raising questions
about his competency.
On Sunday, a panel of the 9th Circuit, in a 2-1 decision, ruled that evidence
presented by Sagastegui's mother warranted additional hearings. Katie Vargas
contended her son was sexually abused as a child and mentally ill.
The execution was the third in Washington since the U.S. Supreme Court lifted
its ban on the death penalty in 1976. The others were in 1993 and 1994, both by
hanging.
AP-NY-10-13-98
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The following appears courtesy of today's Reuters news wire:
Triple Murderer Gets His Wish
(WALLA WALLA) -- Triple murderer Jeremy Sagastegui (suh-GAS-tuh-gee) has been
executed at the Washington State Penitentiary in Walla Walla. Sagastegui, who
admitted killing a three-year-old boy and two women, was put to death by lethal
injection early today. Earlier, the Supreme Court threw out an appeal filed by
his mother that raised questions about his mental competency. Sagastegui
pleaded guilty to the November 1995 murders of Keiven Sarbacher, the boy's
mother, Melissa, and her friend Lisa Vera- Acevedo near Kennewick. Sagastegui
represented himself at a sentencing hearing, urging the jury to recommend a
death sentence and presenting no mitigating evidence.
Several dozen death penalty opponents stood vigil outside the Walla Walla
prison. They were outnumbered by death penalty advocates, from whom they were
separated by a phalanx of security guards. Sagastegui was the third person to
be executed in Washington state since the reinstatement of the death penalty in
1976.
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The following appears courtesy of the 10/12/98 online edition of The Spokane
Spokesman-Review newspaper, via yesterday's Associated Press news wire:
Sagastegui's mother details abuse
Relatives say convicted killer was raped by family members when he was a child
Linda Ashton - Associated Press
YAKIMA _ Jeremy Vargas Sagastegui will talk about almost anything except his
childhood.
When police came to his Tri-Cities apartment in November 1995, he told them
where to find the murder weapon.
In the courtroom, acting as his own lawyer, he volunteered that he felt no
remorse and urged a Benton County jury to sentence him to death.
Now locked up at the state penitentiary in Walla Walla, Sagastegui has spoken
with reporters, discussing the murders, life in prison and his execution,
scheduled for Tuesday.
But he won't talk about his youth. ``I prefer to keep that to myself,'' he has
said over and over again.
In an effort to save her son's life, Sagastegui's mother and other relatives
have come forward with the sordid details of the abuse of Sagastegui, known to
family and friends as Arthur.
As a child, he was repeatedly raped by relatives and neighbors, according to
family affidavits.
As a result, Sagastegui is mentally ill and should not have been allowed to
make his own legal decisions, his mother, Cayetana ``Katie'' Vargas contends.
One of his cousins recalls a tragic bond with Sagastegui:
``We were very close. Both of us were molested throughout our childhood. We
spent most of our childhood pretending things did not happen. Every man that we
came in contact with through our childhood molested us.''
Another cousin says: ``There are a lot of pedophiles in our family, almost all
the men. ... All of us kids learned to try and stay away from our male
relatives. (Sagastegui) was an easy target, he never learned to fight back.''
Sagastegui, 27, was a child of rape, said his mother, now 44.
``I hated being pregnant with Jeremy. I used to hit my stomach and tell my
unborn child that I hated it,'' she says in an affidavit.
His mother says he got sick with a high fever as an infant and had seizures. He
developed severe headaches as a child. By the time he was 13, a cousin recalls,
he had stopped going to school, started smoking pot and was hanging out with
the bums at Columbia River Park.
By the time he reached his 20s, his behavior was becoming increasingly bizarre,
he seemed to have several personalities, each with a different name, such as
Adam and ChiChi, his mother says.
Three months before the killings, he was temporarily committed for mental
treatment but did not stay. A doctor told Vargas that her son was schizophrenic
and extremely manic depressive, she says.
Vargas has argued that her son refuses to appeal his death sentence because he
has a death wish. Sagastegui agrees.
On Nov. 19, 1995, he killed 3-year-old Keivan Sarbacher, the child's mother,
Mellisa Sarbacher, 21, and her friend, Lisa Vera-Acevado, 26. He took a pickup
truck from Sarbacher's home and left it in his apartment complex parking lot.
When police arrived, he said to them, ``You must be here because of the pickup
truck.''
He also asked the officers if they were interested in what was under the couch
-- the rifle used to shoot the women.
He confessed and declined legal counsel. At his trial in February 1996, he
picked jurors based upon their willingness to sentence him to death.
After the jury was empaneled, Sagastegui announced that he would plead guilty.
He was unrepentant and asked the jury to impose the death penalty.
``I did it. I liked it. I enjoyed it,'' Sagastegui told the jurors. ``I killed
the kid, I killed the mother and I killed her friend. And if their friends had
come over, I would've killed them, too.''
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The following appears courtesy of today's Reuters news wire:
Tuesday October 13, 1998
Washington State Gives Murderer Death He Sought
By Martin Wolk
SEATTLE (Reuters) - A triple murderer who acted as his own attorney to ensure
he got the death penalty died early Tuesday in Washington state's first
execution by lethal injection.
Jeremy Sagastegui, who admitted killing a 3-year-old boy and two women, died in
the state penitentiary in Walla Walla after the Supreme Court threw out an
appeal filed by his mother that raised questions about his mental competency.
Sagastegui was declared dead at 12:43 a.m. PDT (3:43 a.m. EDT/0743 GMT), nine
minutes after a cocktail of lethal chemicals began flowing through his veins,
assistant state attorney general John Samson said.
The convicted murderer, who requested a last meal that included pizza, french
fries and jellied fruit salad, had no final words.
Sagastegui pleaded guilty to the November 1995 murders of Keiven Sarbacher; the
boy's mother, Melissa; and her friend Lisa Vera-Acevedo in the central
Washington town of Finley, near Kennewick.
Sagastegui shot the two women when they came home after he had raped, stabbed
and drowned the little boy, whom he was baby-sitting.
After pleading guilty, Sagastegui represented himself at a sentencing hearing,
urging the jury to recommend a death sentence and presenting no mitigating
evidence.
``I deserve the death penalty,'' he told jurors. ``I'm not sorry for what I
did.''
Sagastegui repeatedly told reporters he wanted to die and even maintained his
murderous act was a bid to engineer his own suicide by execution, but Gov. Gary
Locke rejected that reasoning in denying clemency.
``We should not expect cold-blooded murderers to hold the same sanctity for
life, including their own, that we do,'' Locke said. ``There is nothing
extraordinary in this case to merit leniency.''
The execution came after a flurry of last-minute appeals carried out over
Sagastegui's objection by his mother, Katie Vargas, who came forward for the
first time with details about his childhood.
She said Sagastegui had been conceived by rape, had been sexually abused
repeatedly as a boy and had a multiple-personality disorder. The 9th Circuit
Court of Appeals in San Francisco, in a rare Sunday ruling, agreed there was
enough evidence to demand a new hearing on Sagastegui's mental competence and
issued a stay blocking the execution.
But the Supreme Court late Monday lifted the stay without comment in a 7-2
ruling.
Several dozen death penalty opponents stood vigil outside the Walla Walla
prison. They were outnumbered by death penalty advocates, from whom they were
separated by a phalanx of security guards.
Sagastegui was the third person to be executed in Washington state since the
reinstatement of the death penalty in 1976. The previous two executions, in
1993 and 1994, were by hanging, which remains one of the state's two methods of
execution.
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The following appears courtesy of today's Associated Press news wire:
Triple murderer Sagastegui executed
Supreme Court lifts stay; Locke refuses clemency
Nicholas K. Geranios - Associated Press
WALLA WALLA _ Washington state executed triple murderer Jeremy Sagastegui by
lethal injection early this morning.
The U.S. Supreme Court and Gov. Gary Locke late Monday cleared the way for the
execution of the condemned man who said he enjoyed slaughtering a young boy and
two women.
The high court voted 7-2 in Washington, D.C., to lift a stay of execution
imposed Sunday by a panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. The
appellate court had raised questions about Sagastegui's mental competency.
Shortly after the Supreme Court ruled, Locke refused to grant clemency. The
governor could have commuted Sagastegui's sentence to life in prison without
parole.
``There is nothing extraordinary in this case to merit leniency,'' Locke said
in Olympia. ``Accordingly, I will not halt the execution.''
Sagastegui, 27, had said he wanted to be killed and that he enjoyed the
killings.
After Locke announced his decision, lawyers attempting to halt the execution
filed a petition late Monday night with the state Supreme Court, the state
attorney general's office reported. They contended that once a stay was issued,
the state must defer any execution for 30 days. The state replied immediately,
saying that provision would only apply if the stay had been in effect on the
scheduled day of execution.
Both sides were in telephone contact with the state Supreme Court.
``This is a last-hour petition,'' said John Samson, the assistant state
attorney general heading the state's team.
On Nov. 19, 1995, Sagastegui beat, raped, stabbed and drowned 3-year-old Keivan
Sarbacher, whom he was baby-sitting at a friend's home in Finley, Wash.
Sagastegui then shot and killed Keivan's mother, Mellisa Sarbacher, 21, and her
friend Lisa Vera-Acevado, 26, when they arrived home.
Locke's clemency board split 2-2 last week on whether to recommend execution or
life in prison.
On Monday, Sagastegui asked for a last meal of combination pizza, french fries,
corn, jellied fruit salad, ice cream and an eclair, prison spokeswoman Mary
Christensen said.
A panel of the 9th Circuit had ruled that evidence presented by Sagastegui's
mother warranted additional hearings. Katie Vargas contended her son was
mentally ill and not competent to make life-or-death decisions.
The state contended Sagastegui had been proved in several court-ordered
examinations to be mentally competent.
Sweltering_Bitch
>Legal disclaimer: The person making this usenet post does not
>advocate or support any criminal or illegal act. All comments
>made in this Usenet post concerning the Governor of Washington
>were made in a hypothetical, fictional manner. The author of
>this Usenet post specifically condemns all acts of political
>violence, and does not support, condone, or advocate any such
>acts.
Joe, I wish you didn't add this sort of disclaimer to any of
your posts. It detracts from your message. I suspect it's a
protective device. If it is, I don't see how it really would
protect you in a society that has freely committed horrendous
crimes against its citizens over and over again because they've
dared to express their own true reality. If it won't protect
you, there's no reason to dilute your published true reality by
adding it.
Dani K.
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Megabite <"die"@ spammer.com> Wrote:
>>
>> >Yawn...your posts are boring me..
Joe1...@aol.com Wrote:
>> Hello MEGABITE,
>>
>> Then stop reading them, Inferior One.
>Stop posting nonsense babble, crazy one.
>> >I say good bye and good riddance..
>> I know you do. And I APPRECIATE your post. Thank you for FURTHER
>validating
>> the absolute right of EVERY victim and creation of your society to claim
>their
>> vengeance via murder and torture and abuse.
>Are you on drugs? hah. Come over to MY house and get >some vengeance! hahah
>> >he WAS
>> >lucky
>> >that MY society didn't beat, stab, rape, drown, and then shoot him like he
>> >did his
>> >innocent victims.
>> No, Jeremy was not lucky in any way, shape, or form. But at least he got
>to
>> kill THREE of you humans. Your society only got to kill him TWICE. First
>with a
>> childhood and soul murder, and then with an adult physical murder. So the
>score
>> is 3 to 2, and Jeremy DID win in the end. A hollow and worthless victory,
>but
>> still a victory.
>Sorry, I didn't know him as a child..did you??? You speak as though you grew
>up
>with him, but do you REALLY know about his childhood? Tell us..we really want
>to
>know, oh wise one...
>> No, they aren't. The day after the triple murder was committed, Jeremy
>was an
>> EQUAL victim as the 3 people he killed. But from that point forward, as
>soon as
>> your diseased society decided to punitively punish him in ANY way, Jeremy
>> became MORE of a victim than all 3 put together.
>So your saying that he shouldn't be punished at all for MUDERING 3 innocent
>people??Your cracked! hah
>> And when your society chose to MURDER Jeremy this morning, it made him into
>the
>> ULTIMATE victim and a MARTYR as well.
>A MARTYR to all cold blooded killers everywhere!
>> >YOU
>> >have felt if your son or daughter had been the one >MURDERED by that
>lunatic?
>> I despise every living human life form on planet earth.
>Then beam up and leave us alone if it bothers you so bad!
>> Every one. That is because your society chose to murder MY soul, when I was
>a
>> child.
>I'm all broken up about that as you can tell! I did not know you as a child.
>What
>does this have to do with me?
>> If I had a son or daughter, I would feel no positive emotions of any kind
>towards
>> that
>> human life form. So, I would not feel any negative emotions towards anyone
>who
>> murdered these humans.
>Boy, you sure skirted that question, no didn't ya? hah
>> >that would change your "mind", now wouldn't it?
>> No, it wouldn't.
>> >"In the courtroom, acting as his own lawyer, he volunteered that he felt
>no
>> >remorse and urged a Benton County jury to sentence him to >death."
>>
>> The fact that he asked to be sentenced to death, should have GUARANTEED
>that
>> he would never receive such a sentence, in a rational society. I HONOR
>Jeremy
>> for never displaying any remorse, for never prostituting either himself or
>the
>> Truth to your diseased society, and for embracing his unique and absolutely
>> valid True Reality right to kill these 3 humans.
>O.K. Listen up all convicts...according to Joe all you have to do to avoid
>the
>death penalty is request it! LOL
>
>> > Quit whining,
>> > MEGABITE
>> Stop reading my posts, Inferior One. You have my GUARANTEE that I shall
>> proudly continue to express the Truth in the Usenet posts that I will
>continue
>> to make, for as long as I so choose.
>>
>> Take care, JOE
>I will continue to read and repond to your idiotic >posts..sorry..heh
>
Megabite
Kurt Sims
The theory (remember now, its been along time since I took psychology)
that I think might hold the most weight, and will probably get the most
play, would probably say that he was taught that he could more easily
victimize those weaker than himself. When he was molested by men they
were preying on him because he was weaker than they were. When he killed
the people he killed he was going after those that he thought were weaker
than him and it made him feel stronger and more powerful.
Now the question becomes, do you believe that theory? IMHO, most
psychological theories are far too simplistic to be applied to any
individual, especially a man that reportedly said that he really enjoyed
killing the people that he did. You would probably find that if you read
10 different psych books or papers you may well come up with 10 different
theories. Thats just my opinion, YMMV.
Kurt
In article <19981014041909...@ng-fd2.aol.com>,
dednd...@aol.com (DedNdogYrs) wrote:
>This man was molested by "all the men in the family" when he was a child, yet
>he kills women and children. Is there anyone here with a psychology degree who
>can tell us why these people don't kill the people who DESERVE the killing, and
>only kill the innocent instead?
>Dogs & children first.
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