Interview w/ Lee and Jackie Peterson

Maggie

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From Time (it's also being played regularly on MSNBC):

'Scott Peterson is Innocent'
TIME Exclusive: Laci Peterson's in-laws defend their son and accuse the police
of bungling
By JILL UNDERWOOD/SAN DIEGO

Sunday, Apr. 20, 2003
In an exclusive on-line interview with Time's San Diego reporter, Jill
Underwood, Scott Peterson's mother Jackie and father Lee defended their son
against allegations that he murdered his pregnant wife, Laci. Excepts from
their conversation:

Lee Peterson: We're grieving for the loss of Scott's wife and the baby. Our
family is just devastated, and we feel an equal amount of pain for the Rocha
family — Sharon and Ron and the whole family. But... our son is innocent. We
know that. We've known it from day one.

Jackie Peterson: They know it too. They supported him fully until the police
misled them, and that was to divide and separate him from them. He was their
support. They were his support.

Lee Peterson: We're just very critical of the way the Modesto police has
handled this investigation. They worked strictly on a theory that was dreamt up
by this lead detective within the first eight hours, and they've pursued it
backward from there and they have neglected so many good leads. Chief (Roy)
Wasden made a comment during his news conference that on the evening before
Christmas Eve, Laci's mother had spoken to Laci at 8:15 and that's the last
time anyone saw Laci. Not true. There are several people who saw Laci.

Jackie Peterson: Several people who the police immediately tried to discredit
the minute they came forward, so they're not coming forward.

Lee Peterson: And one of these gentlemen — and they are prominent people —
he's a three-term council member up there and an attorney, and they saw her and
they know her and the police have disregarded this. If it doesn't fit their
theory, by God, they don't want to investigate it. I just can't be any more
emphatic than that. And we're gonna pursue this thing.

Jackie Peterson: I would like people to use their common sense and look at the
big picture, not just one incident that for three months the police have been
telling them Scott did not go fishing. Now conveniently, the body has been
found where he told them he went fishing. Why would he go 80 miles fishing,
come home with a receipt and buy gas and food along the way, have a receipt of
the dock and tell the police exactly where he went fishing — and the body
would be there! That does not make sense. It's too damn inconvenient for that.

Lee Peterson: I would ask everyone to consider Scott's family. We're a good
family. We don't have a record of anything.

Jackie Peterson: He doesn't either. You can look.

Lee Peterson: He doesn't. There was no domestic violence.

Jackie Peterson: No drugs. No financial problems. He worked three jobs to put
himself through college and put his wife through college. They both worked hard
to get everything they had, and they were enjoying it to the hilt. And they
adored each other.

Lee Peterson: We were with them the week before Christmas, and you never saw a
more loving couple.

Jackie Peterson: Laci's mother stated the same thing prior to the police going
to them. All her family talked about how much they loved each other. How happy
they were. How happily married people they were. And how we all wished we were
like that. And then it all changed when the police went to them. And with what
we know now, now they're bragging about their technique of deception that they
learned to be detectives. And that means they can lie to you but if you say
anything in the same sentence different, you've committed perjury. But they can
say anything they want and tell their parents anything they want and they're
grieving and they're looking to them for help.

TIME: What has Scott told you?

Lee Peterson: We haven't been able to speak to him. Again, we're grieving for
the baby as Scott is for Laci. And we'd like to extend our best to the Rocha
family. But I think if they search their hearts and really position themselves
where they were before the police deceived them, and look at this thing in the
wide context, they'll see the police have just bungled this investigation from
day one. They can come after me. That's fine. But they've bungled this case.

Jackie Peterson: I think it's inappropriate for the police to be preening and
patting themselves on the back for a good job of four months when they've done
a cheap shot ... is what they've performed. Not only that, but they were
preening and patting themselves when the announcement of who those bodies were.
That's totally inappropriate. If they want to pat themselves on the back, they
should have a party somewhere else. I'm just appalled at that, that our public
people are like that. You have a district attorney calling this a slam-dunk
before there's even an arraignment. I'm feeling like I'm living in Nazi Germany
or the Soviet Union. I've just sick of this. (Her eyes are tearing up.) I think
every man out there should be in fear if this is the way the police worked. If
a crime happens to your wife, you'd better know you're with six people and they
weren't drunk and they are good friends who are going to be able to put up with
this. If they have any kind of shady character, the police will dismiss them
and you'll be ruined.

TIME: What about the police saying that Scott tried to sell the house and her
car?

Lee Peterson: You can take this thing from the very beginning. There's no
motive. That $250,000 life insurance policy they had for two years and it was
on each of them. They did that when they bought the home.

Jackie Peterson: It's not a policy. It was a retirement policy that has
insurance attached. (The police) lied to Laci Peterson's mother about that.

Lee Peterson: He did not try to sell the house.

Jackie Peterson: We were looking at new cars the week before in Carmel. Laci
wanted a safer car for her baby. The police took his car. He's making a payment
on a truck that they've had now for four months. He's not a rich man. He works
and they live the way they want to live, but they budgeted and they do it on
their own and they never ask for anything.

Lee Peterson: They made it sound like Laci loved that car. Laci hated that car.

Jackie Peterson: She called it a piece of shit. The only time I ever heard a
bad word out of her mouth.

Lee Peterson: We talked a lot driving on the Carmel trip the week before this
happened, and they were gonna trade that car and get her a better car. Because
the car would quit running.... As for the home, one of the ladies who ran our
volunteer center in Modesto is in the real estate business. And she was one of
favorites. ... And Scott was talking to her as a side remark and said "What do
you think I could get for it."

Jackie Peterson: That's not what he said. He said, he didn't want to live there
anymore. He said he didn't want to bring Laci home to that and what would they
get out of it. He did not sign a listing. He did not go to a realtor.

Lee Peterson: Did you folks know that there's another pregnant lady that was
floating in that bay in January? Another torso and two other pregnant women
missing in that area. And that place is polluted with parolees.

TIME: What about the fear that police had that he would run to Mexico?

Jackie Peterson: I will tell you exactly what happened. He sold his car because
his job has changed. He doesn't have to haul stuff anymore. And he couldn't
afford it. He was making a payment, and we loaned him a car to drive instead.
Apparently from what we now hear, the police had a device attached to it. His
attorney knew where he was at all times. We talked to him every day. And the
police asked us if we'd talk to him and we'd say, "Yes, we talk to him at least
once a day." Sometimes, when they called, we hadn't talked to him that day yet.
But he called us every night because we feared for his life because of how
they've polluted this story. How the press and police have jumped on every
little thing and made it what it's not. That's the story on that. They lost
him.

Lee Peterson: He went to Mexico as you'll recall, maybe six weeks ago, on a
business trip, came back and the police knew where he was.

Jackie Peterson: He's not going to leave his family and his life, and besides
he's innocent.

Lee Peterson: It's another smear on him that he was going to run into Mexico.
And how ridiculous. The kid lives here. They ran him out of Modesto. He can't
use his home. They've got his car. Where's he supposed to go? He came to us and
he was not running.

Maggie

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and four people died." -- Steven Wright

Destiny

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Apr 20, 2003, 4:40:49 PM4/20/03

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>Subject: Interview w/ Lee and Jackie Peterson
>From: maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC (Maggie)

>From Time (it's also being played regularly on MSNBC):
>
>'Scott Peterson is Innocent'

I just wonder if the Petersons would like a big slap of reality, or maybe a
little cheese to go with their whine? What do they have to say about Scott
cheating on his pregnant wife, or is that an accepted thing in the Peterson
household?

The whole thing makes me want to vomit.

Regards,
Destiny

"If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible
warning." Catherine S.

Desi

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Apr 20, 2003, 4:58:13 PM4/20/03

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Maggie wrote in message
<20030420160351...@mb-m02.aol.com>...

>From Time (it's also being played regularly on MSNBC):
>
>

>Lee Peterson: We haven't been able to speak to him. Again, we're
grieving for
>the baby as Scott is for Laci. And we'd like to extend our best to the
Rocha
>family.

What a strange thing to say, we grieve for the baby....., doesn't Scott?
and instead of our
sympathy, condolences or whatever...they send their best?
Weird.

desi

sherman

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>
> Maggie wrote in message
> <20030420160351...@mb-m02.aol.com>...
> >From Time (it's also being played regularly on MSNBC):
> >
> >
> >Lee Peterson: We haven't been able to speak to him. Again, we're
> grieving for
> >the baby as Scott is for Laci. And we'd like to extend our best to the
> Rocha
> >family.
>
>
> What a strange thing to say, we grieve for the baby....., doesn't Scott?
> and instead of our
> sympathy, condolences or whatever...they send their best?
> Weird.
>
> desi
>
>

The mommy dearest talks of her son as if he's a little child. Sherm.

Lulu

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Apr 20, 2003, 5:22:04 PM4/20/03

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Desi wrote:

> What a strange thing to say, we grieve for the baby....., doesn't Scott?
> and instead of our sympathy, condolences or whatever...they send their best?
> Weird.
>
> desi

Not as weird as the Petersons continuing to push the "They were so
happy, they were the most perfect, loving couple ever" scenario. Did
they conveniently forget that Scotty Baby has already ADMITTED to the
affair? Did they forget that he CONTINUED TO CALL HIS MISTRESS after
his wife and unborn child went missing? For Christ's sake.

These people aren't in just the normal denial that any parents could be
expected to go through before they are able to come to grips with the
real facts. There's something really twisted and just plaing WRONG in
that family. I think we can all see now why Scott turned out the way he
did.

-Lu

Maggie

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Apr 20, 2003, 5:32:58 PM4/20/03

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>>Subject: Interview w/ Lee and Jackie Peterson
>>From: maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC (Maggie)
>
>>From Time (it's also being played regularly on MSNBC):
>>
>>'Scott Peterson is Innocent'
>
><snipped for space>
>

destiny said:
>I just wonder if the Petersons would like a big slap of reality, or maybe
>a
>little cheese to go with their whine? What do they have to say about Scott
>cheating on his pregnant wife, or is that an accepted thing in the Peterson
>household?
>
>The whole thing makes me want to vomit.
>

***I thought the whole thing was very pathetic (if you saw it televised, you
would have seen the oxygen tubes at Mrs. Peterson's nose and could have heard
her heavy breathing). But there was some good factual information relayed (if
it can be believed):

The purple Mercedes belonged to them and had been loaned to Scott because he
"sold his car." Was that his new truck??? And the reason he sold it was
because he didn't have to haul things anymore. Does that mean he's no longer
selling fertilizer? So what's he doing?

Also, they say the insurance policy was two years old and I believe it.
There's no way this was a murder done for the insurance proceeds.

I bet they don't realize how bad that business about how they were with Laci
and Scott right before Christmas and "they were so in love" makes Scott look.
We all know he was dating Amber at the time. Pointing out how good a liar your
son is doesn't make him look good.

Misstiblu

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Apr 20, 2003, 5:38:46 PM4/20/03

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I was sitting here thinking....EVEN if they said "we still can't
believe he is guilty - we need to know the evidence they have..."

Or we have a hard time believing this is happening....

or SUMTHIN' other than HE DIDN'T DO IT.

Man - what drugs are they on?

Misstiblu

Lori

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Apr 20, 2003, 5:56:24 PM4/20/03

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Maggie wrote:
>
> From Time (it's also being played regularly on MSNBC):
>
> 'Scott Peterson is Innocent'
> TIME Exclusive: Laci Peterson's in-laws defend their son and accuse the police

> of bunglingĀ

> By JILL UNDERWOOD/SAN DIEGO
>
> Sunday, Apr. 20, 2003
> In an exclusive on-line interview with Time's San Diego reporter, Jill
> Underwood, Scott Peterson's mother Jackie and father Lee defended their son
> against allegations that he murdered his pregnant wife, Laci. Excepts from
> their conversation:
>

(snip)

> How happily married people they were. And how we all wished we were
> like that.

Weren't these family observations and comments made of a time when
Laci and Scott were supposedly trying to sort things out regarding
Scott's affair with Amber? No way could Laci have been that good an
actress.

>
> TIME: What has Scott told you?
>
> Lee Peterson: We haven't been able to speak to him.

Yesterday I heard a report that from jail Scott had called the woman
who had stood up for Scott and Laci when they were married. She stated
that she felt very uncomfortable and did not know why he had called
her. So, why would Scott call this woman and not be able to speak with
his parents?

Lori

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Apr 20, 2003, 7:39:44 PM4/20/03

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"Maggie" <maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC> wrote in message
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> From Time (it's also being played regularly on MSNBC):
>
> 'Scott Peterson is Innocent'
> TIME Exclusive: Laci Peterson's in-laws defend their son and accuse the
police
> of bungling
> By JILL UNDERWOOD/SAN DIEGO

I'm snipping a lot... to make a point..

> Sunday, Apr. 20, 2003
> In an exclusive on-line interview with Time's San Diego reporter, Jill
> Underwood, Scott Peterson's mother Jackie and father Lee defended their
son
> against allegations that he murdered his pregnant wife, Laci. Excepts from
> their conversation:
>

More snipped.

> Lee Peterson: We're grieving for the loss of Scott's wife and the baby.

THE BABY

More snipped.

Lee Peterson: We haven't been able to speak to him. Again, we're grieving
for
> the baby as Scott is for Laci. And we'd like to extend our best to the
Rocha

THE BABY

> Jackie Peterson: We were looking at new cars the week before in Carmel.
Laci
> wanted a safer car for her baby. The police took his car. He's making a
payment

HER BABY.

It seems the Petersons didn't accept this little one... Laci's baby, Her
baby, The baby, She named the baby Connor.

JAK

SageJelly

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Apr 20, 2003, 7:01:28 PM4/20/03

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Well, I can't really fault these people. They're just doing what a lot of other
parents would do: refuse to accept that their own child could be responsible
for such a horrendous crime. It's a natural coping mechanism,and I would
probably do the same thing if the child I bore and raised was accused of
murdering his wife and baby.

Apr 20, 2003, 8:09:15 PM4/20/03

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"Misstiblu" <misstib...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> >maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC (Maggie):
> >
> >>I bet they don't realize how bad that business about how
> >>they were with Laci and Scott right before Christmas
> >>and "they were so in love" makes Scott look. We all
> >>know he was dating Amber at the time. Pointing out

> >>how good a liar your on is doesn't make him look good.

> >
> >Another good point.
>
>
> I was thinking that as well. I just heard the interview of the
> parents again - I know they are upset but they can't seem
> to get the story straight either today.
>
> She corrected him on the "insurance policy"...and then
> again on the discussion regarding the "sale of the house".
> Thinking they should have preplanned something
> instead of standing there correcting eachother on the info.
> This doesn't make them great "witnesses"
> either when they can't remember a conversation or details.
>
> Misstiblu

Nearly everything they've said is obviously from Scott.

His excuses about the Land Rover, the house sale, the
insurance, etc, etc have obviously been well-rehearsed.

But...when they start comparing the police to Nazi
Germany, they lose any credibility.

Kris

Lori

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Apr 20, 2003, 8:20:53 PM4/20/03

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-------------

Ah, they might have cell phones? Or some other arrangement could be
made? Er, this is their son! He is in jail! Soon to be arraigned on
murder charges! Er, they have had 4 months to come up with an
alternative phone number!

Er, perhaps Scott is too ashamed, embarrassed to phone them! On
second thought, probably not. He probably feels it is their job to come
to him.

Er, he is probably letting them stew in their sorrow...hoping they
will feel guilty enough to come up with the money for a big shot lawyer.

In no way do I fault the Petersons for coming to the defense of their
son. But I see ol' Scotty waiting for them to come up with excuses for
his behaviors and manipulating their devotion for his own benefit. He
has probably practiced this for the past 30 years.

DirtyDog48

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Apr 20, 2003, 8:29:25 PM4/20/03

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They're just being parents........spare me the inconsistencies in their
televised statements...these people aren't professional spokespersons, their
son has been jailed on suspicion of murder and I'm sure their minds are
reeling.

Gitchy

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maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC (Maggie):

>sage said:
>>>Well, I can't really fault these people. They're just doing what a lot
>>of
>>>other
>>>parents would do: refuse to accept that their own child could be responsible
>>>for such a horrendous crime. It's a natural coping mechanism,and I would
>>>probably do the same thing if the child I bore and raised was accused of
>>>murdering his wife and baby.
>>>
>redhand said:
>>Finally---a voice of reason and compassion.
>>How horrible it would be to be the parents of someone accused of such a
>>heinous
>>crime.
>
>***I've been saying the same thing for days. I don't blame these people in the
>least for saying what they're saying. That's what parents are supposed to do
>and I'm sure mine would do the same for me, as I would do the same for any of
>my children.
>
>Maggie

Just 2 minutes ago I was telling hubby that I don't think my
mother would ever stand up and shout to the world that there is
no way I or my brothers did something. She would love me, she
would support me, she would be there for me. She would hope none
of us had done anything and hope that the evidence would
exonerate us; but as for being in total denial of any involvement
on our part, I don't think she'd go there. And I'd put my
mother's love up against anyone's.

Maybe I'll ask her and see what she says. :-)

Bo Raxo

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Apr 20, 2003, 9:29:47 PM4/20/03

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> >"Lori" <lori...@accucom.net> wrote in message
> >news:3EA3178...@accucom.net...
> >>
> >>
> >> Yesterday I heard a report that from jail Scott had called the woman
> >> who had stood up for Scott and Laci when they were married. She stated
> >> that she felt very uncomfortable and did not know why he had called
> >> her. So, why would Scott call this woman and not be able to speak with
> >> his parents?
> >>
> >> Lori
> >>
> >>
> bo said:
> >Er, because his parents' phone is ringing constantly with reporters
calling,
> >so they aren't answering it?
>
> ***Their son is in jail charged with two counts of capital murder, he has
> access to a phone and his parents aren't answering--or even
screening--theirs?

When he calls from jail, it is a collect call. So the answering machine
screening wouldn't work.

> And neither of his parents has a cell phone, or another number, that
hasn't
> been given to the press?

The tabloids use private investogaters to get all of a person's numbers.
Using credit reports and other simple methods they can usually get all
numbers for a person. What they can't get that way they get bribing a phone
company employee - thousands of 'em have access to the database of phone
numbers used for billing, and that includes unlisted ones.

>I don't think so. Not to mention that caller ID is
> pretty much ubiquitous (check my spelling, Bo) these days. Even if they
didn't
> have it before, I'm sure they got it last December.

When a prisoner calls from jail, the call is from a payphone to a collect
operator. The callerid will show the name of a phone company or just "out
of area", not the name of the jail.

>
> I agree that it's strange he hasn't called them and I wonder if he just
can't
> face his folks, believing that they suspect him now, too. Maybe that
televised
> interview today was their effort to get the word to Scott that they are
behind
> him so he would call.
>
> I'm very sad for them.
>
>
> Maggie
>

You really have never talked to someone in this situation, have you? It is
very common in a high profile case to have someone in jail route calls
through another person as the only way to get through. Because of incessant
press calls. Often a friend or a lawyer uses three way calling to connect
the parties up. Since Scott and his parents probably weren't savvy enough
to set up such a relay person in advance, it is easy to believe that he
isn't able to reach his parents by phone.

As for his parents, my sadness for them is a lot less than it is for Laci's
parents.

A WHOLE lot.

Bo

tinydancer

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That's what I say...........

td

Bo Raxo

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Apr 20, 2003, 9:35:58 PM4/20/03

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> Bo Raxo wrote:
> >
> > "Lori" <lori...@accucom.net> wrote in message
> > news:3EA3178...@accucom.net...
> > >
> > >
> > > Yesterday I heard a report that from jail Scott had called the
woman
> > > who had stood up for Scott and Laci when they were married. She
stated
> > > that she felt very uncomfortable and did not know why he had called
> > > her. So, why would Scott call this woman and not be able to speak
with
> > > his parents?
> > >
> > > Lori
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Er, because his parents' phone is ringing constantly with reporters
calling,
> > so they aren't answering it?
>
> -------------
>
> Ah, they might have cell phones?

Yes, when I said his parents' phone, that includes cell phones. Reporters
are very good at getting phone numbers. Duh!

>Or some other arrangement could be
> made?

You can't call in to get a prisoner. Scott has to call them. They may not
be letting him have visitors yet, as a way to pressure him. Hard to make
arrangements when you can't talk to him to make them. Duh!

>Er, this is their son! He is in jail! Soon to be arraigned on
> murder charges! Er, they have had 4 months to come up with an
> alternative phone number!

Yes, I'm sure when they all get together, the first topic of conversation
is, "So, of course I didn't do this, but if the police just happen to arrest
me, and the press happens to be calling you all the time, I'll call Aunt
Sadie who will connect us via three-way calling."

You think Scott and his parents could predict this kind of dofficulty in
advance? Duh!

>
> Er, perhaps Scott is too ashamed, embarrassed to phone them! On
> second thought, probably not. He probably feels it is their job to come
> to him.

Oh what nonsense. This guy is obviously shameless, look at his behavior to
date.

>
> Er, he is probably letting them stew in their sorrow...hoping they
> will feel guilty enough to come up with the money for a big shot lawyer.

Or maybe when he calls them, since he is in jail, he is calling from a pay
phone collect. It comes up on the caller id as no name or a phone company,
and they don't know who it is. Meanwhile, a hundred cranks are calling
them, and a hundred press people from all over the world.

Er, this should be obvious. Duh!

>
> In no way do I fault the Petersons for coming to the defense of their
> son.

Why not? He looks pretty guilty, so they are ignoring the evidence. You
really are wacky and all over the map here, you know?

>But I see ol' Scotty waiting for them to come up with excuses for
> his behaviors and manipulating their devotion for his own benefit. He
> has probably practiced this for the past 30 years.
>
> Lori

And now you're psychic. Amazing how well you "know" Scott and his parents.

Yet you can't imagine how, sitting in jail with a pay phone to make collect
calls on, and with his parents trying to be contacted by hundreds of
journalists from all over the world, he would have trouble getting in
contact.

This kind of "logic" by leaps and sideways bounds is a big part of what
makes juries a scary thing.

Bo Raxo

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On 20 Apr 2003 23:06:37 GMT, redh...@aol.com (REDHAND1) wrote:

>>Well, I can't really fault these people. They're just doing what a lot of

>>parents would do: refuse to accept that their own child could be responsible
>>for such a horrendous crime. It's a natural coping mechanism,and I would
>>probably do the same thing if the child I bore and raised was accused of
>>murdering his wife and baby.

Hey, the mom, with her Nazi and Soviet Union comment is on crack.
Even though the stuff is going through her nostrils and the
hyperventilation you can hear, you can tell that she's disconnected
from reality. The pop largely takes cues from the sick mom. You can
tell who wears the pants in that relationship.

The Petersons may be understandable to some, but they're entirely
responsible for raising a son who shirks responsibilities and resorts
to lies. I bet that's how they raised this kid, from the minute he
broke the neighbor's window with a baseball to when he had his first
fender bender.

Mom, I didn't do nutting. Okay, son, I believe you. You did nothing
wrong. It's your neighbor that's on crack. Here, have some oatmeal
cookies.

They raised a manchild with no regard nor compassion for fellow human
beings. That's how a psychopath is made. You become one through
constant coddling. And the little, two-legged walking devil becomes
emboldened as he gets away with one thing after another. Then he
finally murders someone, and his parents are the only ones standing by
him -- okay, my lil one, you didn't kill her. Someone else did.
They're lynching you for no reason. Why, this must be Nazi Germany.

If I had my way, I would pull that disgusting tube from the nostrils
of that Peterson mom and throw her in jail, too, for bad parenting.
If you examine Scott Peterson's life from birth to the murder of Lacy
and Connor, you'll see that his parents had a huge influence on his
psychopathic behaviors. The constant support he got from his "you can
do no wrong" parents and the "uncondiitional love" he got from them,
made him the despicable psychopath he is.

It takes more than one person to strive toward full-blown psychopathic
behaviors. Behind every psychopath is an enabler who will defend
their kids from every misdeed they commit.

If Scott was raised with tough love, he wouldn't be in this position.
That's why Mrs. Peterson is responsible for what her son has done.

tinydancer

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I can understand this, but wouldn't you think he'd call one of his siblings
before someone who was a friend of Laci's??

td

Lane Closure

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>And neither of his parents has a cell phone,

I thought one of the reports from prison said that the payphone could not be
used to dial a cellphone?

Bo Raxo

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That makes sense. Jail pay phones can only make collect outgoing calls
(calling cards usually do not work from these). And AFAIK, cell phones
cannot be used to receive collect calls.

Lori

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Bo Raxo wrote:
>
> "Lori" <lori...@accucom.net> wrote in message
> news:3EA33965...@accucom.net...
> > Bo Raxo wrote:
> > >
> > > "Lori" <lori...@accucom.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3EA3178...@accucom.net...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yesterday I heard a report that from jail Scott had called the
> woman
> > > > who had stood up for Scott and Laci when they were married. She
> stated
> > > > that she felt very uncomfortable and did not know why he had called
> > > > her. So, why would Scott call this woman and not be able to speak
> with
> > > > his parents?
> > > >
> > > > Lori
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Er, because his parents' phone is ringing constantly with reporters
> calling,
> > > so they aren't answering it?
> >
> > -------------
> >
> > Ah, they might have cell phones?
>
> Yes, when I said his parents' phone, that includes cell phones. Reporters
> are very good at getting phone numbers. Duh!
>

Maybe they could trade in the new Jag for a new line with a private
number? They stated they had spoken with their son every day before his
arrest...don't tell me the reporters weren't bothering them during this
time. Again, they have had 4 months of communicating and should know
some ways around this by now.

> >Or some other arrangement could be
> > made?
>

Like the three-way calling thing.

> You can't call in to get a prisoner. Scott has to call them. They may not
> be letting him have visitors yet, as a way to pressure him. Hard to make
> arrangements when you can't talk to him to make them. Duh!

He was able to call this woman and, if I remember correctly made a few
other calls.

>
> >Er, this is their son! He is in jail! Soon to be arraigned on
> > murder charges! Er, they have had 4 months to come up with an
> > alternative phone number!
>
> Yes, I'm sure when they all get together, the first topic of conversation
> is, "So, of course I didn't do this, but if the police just happen to arrest
> me, and the press happens to be calling you all the time, I'll call Aunt
> Sadie who will connect us via three-way calling."

That's true...Scott is not much of a planner! But...
Scott has had an attorney since the beginning of this tragedy. It would
not be outside of a lawyer's duty to arrange for Scott to speak with his
parents.

>
> You think Scott and his parents could predict this kind of dofficulty in
> advance? Duh!

Oh, yes I do. The Petersons have accused law enforcement of ganging
up on their son...they should have predicted the obstacles the mean
policemen would put in their way. Again, Scott's lawyer should have
filled him in. Remember, his attorney was supposedly in touch with him
regularly until Scott's last few days of freedom.

>
> >
> > Er, perhaps Scott is too ashamed, embarrassed to phone them! On
> > second thought, probably not. He probably feels it is their job to come
> > to him.
>
> Oh what nonsense. This guy is obviously shameless, look at his behavior to
> date.
>

This was sarcasim...reread.

> >
> > Er, he is probably letting them stew in their sorrow...hoping they
> > will feel guilty enough to come up with the money for a big shot lawyer.
>
> Or maybe when he calls them, since he is in jail, he is calling from a pay
> phone collect. It comes up on the caller id as no name or a phone company,
> and they don't know who it is. Meanwhile, a hundred cranks are calling
> them, and a hundred press people from all over the world.
>
> Er, this should be obvious. Duh!

And his attorney should facilitate a conversation, if Scott wants
one, between Scott and his family. Or his attorney could arrange a time
that Scott would phone his family...perhaps using the attorney's cell
phone.

>
>
> > In no way do I fault the Petersons for coming to the defense of their
> > son.
>
> Why not? He looks pretty guilty, so they are ignoring the evidence. You
> really are wacky and all over the map here, you know?

They are wrong, but I will not criticize them for sticking up for
their son. I suspect they have done this before and that it is a hard
habit to break.

>
> >But I see ol' Scotty waiting for them to come up with excuses for
> > his behaviors and manipulating their devotion for his own benefit. He
> > has probably practiced this for the past 30 years.
> >
> > Lori
>
> And now you're psychic. Amazing how well you "know" Scott and his parents.
>
> Yet you can't imagine how, sitting in jail with a pay phone to make collect
> calls on, and with his parents trying to be contacted by hundreds of
> journalists from all over the world, he would have trouble getting in
> contact.
>
> This kind of "logic" by leaps and sideways bounds is a big part of what
> makes juries a scary thing.
>
> Bo Raxo

No, Bo, I am not a physic nor have I ever claimed to be. These
thoughts I posted are just that, thoughts. Nor do I know Scott and his
parents "amazingly well." As to "logic"...I thought we were dealing in
speculation and interpretation...not facts.

Duh!? Wacky!? What is making you so angry and insulting? Maybe if
you tried repeating to yourself over and over again "This is only a
newsgroup, I will not take anything posted here tooooo seriously."

tinydancer

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I think it's his time of the month, that pesky old 'Irritable Male
Syndrome'....... ;)

td

shar...@mindspring.com

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Bo Raxo <cheneys...@nospam.deathsdoor.com> wrote

> As for his parents, my sadness for them is a lot less than it is for
Laci's
> parents.
>
> A WHOLE lot.
>
> Bo

Why? Do you think their loss is less grievous?

schatzi

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I can understand 'love is blind' when it comes to your children... but
come on, having his mom say for people to have 'common sense'...
please!!!!!!!!! Why don't they acknowledge the affair he was having
and I am sure they will be saying the same thing till their last day
on earth. I know we have the 'innocent until proven guilty' but give
me a freaking break... who the hell would believe his story... it is
kind of weird they (parents) and scott himself come up with alibis or
answers pretty quickly... oh well we'll have to see if they realize
their son is a murderer...mdf

Kamelion

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Their denial is understandable but their glaring efforts to make their
son and themselves "look good" in the media presence is appalling.
It's about as appalling as Scott's efforts to save face during his
interview following the revelation of his affair. "Oh yeah, it wasn't
a positive, but my wife was cool with it." Whaaahh?

My point is, especially if you believe you are/your son is innocent of
a crime, you should keep your mouth shut in the eyes of a critical
(and increasingly scrutinizing) public media...lest you let something
stupid slip that opens you up to even more scrutiny, warranted or
not...

Maggie

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***Jesus, Bo. Calm down. Take a pill or something.

I can guarantee you that the woman I saw wheezing into a microphone today is
picking up that phone every single time it rings and the caller ID indicates
there's any possibility at all that it's Scott. For some reason he's not
calling her.

I think it's curious.

Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)

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This is beyond belief. These people need to wake up and
smell the decomposing bodies too.

It's becoming a lot easier to understand how Scott turned
into what he is--an unrepentent wife-killer. Wanna bet one
of the brothers or sisters will have a very different story to
tell once someone (finally) gets around to interviewing them?

RstJ

"Maggie" <maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC> wrote in message

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> From Time (it's also being played regularly on MSNBC):
>
> 'Scott Peterson is Innocent'
> TIME Exclusive: Laci Peterson's in-laws defend their son and accuse the police

> of bunglingÂ
> By JILL UNDERWOOD/SAN DIEGO

>
> Sunday, Apr. 20, 2003
> In an exclusive on-line interview with Time's San Diego reporter, Jill
> Underwood, Scott Peterson's mother Jackie and father Lee defended their son
> against allegations that he murdered his pregnant wife, Laci. Excepts from
> their conversation:
>

> Lee Peterson: We're grieving for the loss of Scott's wife and the baby. Our
> family is just devastated, and we feel an equal amount of pain for the Rocha
> family — Sharon and Ron and the whole family. But... our son is innocent. We
> know that. We've known it from day one.
>
> Jackie Peterson: They know it too. They supported him fully until the police
> misled them, and that was to divide and separate him from them. He was their
> support. They were his support.
>
> Lee Peterson: We're just very critical of the way the Modesto police has
> handled this investigation. They worked strictly on a theory that was dreamt up
> by this lead detective within the first eight hours, and they've pursued it
> backward from there and they have neglected so many good leads. Chief (Roy)
> Wasden made a comment during his news conference that on the evening before
> Christmas Eve, Laci's mother had spoken to Laci at 8:15 and that's the last
> time anyone saw Laci. Not true. There are several people who saw Laci.
>
> Jackie Peterson: Several people who the police immediately tried to discredit
> the minute they came forward, so they're not coming forward.
>
> Lee Peterson: And one of these gentlemen — and they are prominent people —
> he's a three-term council member up there and an attorney, and they saw her and
> they know her and the police have disregarded this. If it doesn't fit their
> theory, by God, they don't want to investigate it. I just can't be any more
> emphatic than that. And we're gonna pursue this thing.
>
> Jackie Peterson: I would like people to use their common sense and look at the
> big picture, not just one incident that for three months the police have been
> telling them Scott did not go fishing. Now conveniently, the body has been
> found where he told them he went fishing. Why would he go 80 miles fishing,
> come home with a receipt and buy gas and food along the way, have a receipt of
> the dock and tell the police exactly where he went fishing — and the body
> would be there! That does not make sense. It's too damn inconvenient for that.
>
> Lee Peterson: I would ask everyone to consider Scott's family. We're a good
> family. We don't have a record of anything.
>
> Jackie Peterson: He doesn't either. You can look.
>
> Lee Peterson: He doesn't. There was no domestic violence.
>
> Jackie Peterson: No drugs. No financial problems. He worked three jobs to put
> himself through college and put his wife through college. They both worked hard
> to get everything they had, and they were enjoying it to the hilt. And they
> adored each other.
>
> Lee Peterson: We were with them the week before Christmas, and you never saw a
> more loving couple.
>
> Jackie Peterson: Laci's mother stated the same thing prior to the police going
> to them. All her family talked about how much they loved each other. How happy
> they were. How happily married people they were. And how we all wished we were
> like that. And then it all changed when the police went to them. And with what
> we know now, now they're bragging about their technique of deception that they
> learned to be detectives. And that means they can lie to you but if you say
> anything in the same sentence different, you've committed perjury. But they can
> say anything they want and tell their parents anything they want and they're
> grieving and they're looking to them for help.
>
> TIME: What has Scott told you?

>
> Lee Peterson: We haven't been able to speak to him. Again, we're grieving for
> the baby as Scott is for Laci. And we'd like to extend our best to the Rocha

> family. But I think if they search their hearts and really position themselves
> where they were before the police deceived them, and look at this thing in the
> wide context, they'll see the police have just bungled this investigation from
> day one. They can come after me. That's fine. But they've bungled this case.
>
> Jackie Peterson: I think it's inappropriate for the police to be preening and
> patting themselves on the back for a good job of four months when they've done
> a cheap shot ... is what they've performed. Not only that, but they were
> preening and patting themselves when the announcement of who those bodies were.
> That's totally inappropriate. If they want to pat themselves on the back, they
> should have a party somewhere else. I'm just appalled at that, that our public
> people are like that. You have a district attorney calling this a slam-dunk
> before there's even an arraignment. I'm feeling like I'm living in Nazi Germany
> or the Soviet Union. I've just sick of this. (Her eyes are tearing up.) I think
> every man out there should be in fear if this is the way the police worked. If
> a crime happens to your wife, you'd better know you're with six people and they
> weren't drunk and they are good friends who are going to be able to put up with
> this. If they have any kind of shady character, the police will dismiss them
> and you'll be ruined.
>
> TIME: What about the police saying that Scott tried to sell the house and her
> car?
>
> Lee Peterson: You can take this thing from the very beginning. There's no
> motive. That $250,000 life insurance policy they had for two years and it was
> on each of them. They did that when they bought the home.
>
> Jackie Peterson: It's not a policy. It was a retirement policy that has
> insurance attached. (The police) lied to Laci Peterson's mother about that.
>
> Lee Peterson: He did not try to sell the house.

>
> Jackie Peterson: We were looking at new cars the week before in Carmel. Laci
> wanted a safer car for her baby. The police took his car. He's making a payment

> on a truck that they've had now for four months. He's not a rich man. He works
> and they live the way they want to live, but they budgeted and they do it on
> their own and they never ask for anything.
>
> Lee Peterson: They made it sound like Laci loved that car. Laci hated that car.
>
>
> Jackie Peterson: She called it a piece of shit. The only time I ever heard a
> bad word out of her mouth.
>
> Lee Peterson: We talked a lot driving on the Carmel trip the week before this
> happened, and they were gonna trade that car and get her a better car. Because
> the car would quit running.... As for the home, one of the ladies who ran our
> volunteer center in Modesto is in the real estate business. And she was one of
> favorites. ... And Scott was talking to her as a side remark and said "What do
> you think I could get for it."
>
> Jackie Peterson: That's not what he said. He said, he didn't want to live there
> anymore. He said he didn't want to bring Laci home to that and what would they
> get out of it. He did not sign a listing. He did not go to a realtor.
>
> Lee Peterson: Did you folks know that there's another pregnant lady that was
> floating in that bay in January? Another torso and two other pregnant women
> missing in that area. And that place is polluted with parolees.
>
> TIME: What about the fear that police had that he would run to Mexico?
>
> Jackie Peterson: I will tell you exactly what happened. He sold his car because
> his job has changed. He doesn't have to haul stuff anymore. And he couldn't
> afford it. He was making a payment, and we loaned him a car to drive instead.
> Apparently from what we now hear, the police had a device attached to it. His
> attorney knew where he was at all times. We talked to him every day. And the
> police asked us if we'd talk to him and we'd say, "Yes, we talk to him at least
> once a day." Sometimes, when they called, we hadn't talked to him that day yet.
> But he called us every night because we feared for his life because of how
> they've polluted this story. How the press and police have jumped on every
> little thing and made it what it's not. That's the story on that. They lost
> him.
>
> Lee Peterson: He went to Mexico as you'll recall, maybe six weeks ago, on a
> business trip, came back and the police knew where he was.
>
> Jackie Peterson: He's not going to leave his family and his life, and besides
> he's innocent.
>
> Lee Peterson: It's another smear on him that he was going to run into Mexico.
> And how ridiculous. The kid lives here. They ran him out of Modesto. He can't
> use his home. They've got his car. Where's he supposed to go? He came to us and
> he was not running.

Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)

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> sage said:
> >>Well, I can't really fault these people. They're just doing what a lot
> >of
> >>other
> >>parents would do: refuse to accept that their own child could be responsible
> >>for such a horrendous crime. It's a natural coping mechanism,and I would
> >>probably do the same thing if the child I bore and raised was accused of
> >>murdering his wife and baby.
> >>
> redhand said:
> >Finally---a voice of reason and compassion.
> >How horrible it would be to be the parents of someone accused of such a
> >heinous
> >crime.
>
> ***I've been saying the same thing for days. I don't blame these people in the
> least for saying what they're saying. That's what parents are supposed to do
> and I'm sure mine would do the same for me, as I would do the same for any of
> my children.
>
> Maggie

Maggie, seriously, come on. They're all but saying the police framed
him. These guys aren't showing normal compassion. They're in total
denial of what happened and acting as if they don't give a flying fart
about Laci, her family, or anybody except dear Scotty.

RstJ

tinydancer

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"Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)" <robert...@yahoo.com> wrote
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I can't recall her exact words, but when Mrs. Peterson said something about
'It being way too coincidental that those bodies should happen to turn up
right where scott had been fishing' I thought ......"no duh" talk about
living in fantasy land.......

td

>
>
>

tinydancer

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"Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)" <robert...@yahoo.com> wrote

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> This is beyond belief. These people need to wake up and
> smell the decomposing bodies too.
>
> It's becoming a lot easier to understand how Scott turned
> into what he is--an unrepentent wife-killer. Wanna bet one
> of the brothers or sisters will have a very different story to
> tell once someone (finally) gets around to interviewing them?
>
> RstJ

I wonder what that Janey's thinking now, the wife of one of Scott's
brothers? She seemed very down to earth and she also seemed like she loved
Laci, or at least cared greatly about her. I'd like to hear Janey speak
now.

td

>
> "Maggie" <maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC> wrote in message
> news:20030420160351...@mb-m02.aol.com...
> > From Time (it's also being played regularly on MSNBC):
> >
> > 'Scott Peterson is Innocent'
> > TIME Exclusive: Laci Peterson's in-laws defend their son and accuse the
police

> > of bunglingĀ

> > By JILL UNDERWOOD/SAN DIEGO
> >
> > Sunday, Apr. 20, 2003
> > In an exclusive on-line interview with Time's San Diego reporter, Jill
> > Underwood, Scott Peterson's mother Jackie and father Lee defended their
son
> > against allegations that he murdered his pregnant wife, Laci. Excepts
from
> > their conversation:
> >
> > Lee Peterson: We're grieving for the loss of Scott's wife and the baby.
Our
> > family is just devastated, and we feel an equal amount of pain for the
Rocha

> > family ā?" Sharon and Ron and the whole family. But... our son is

innocent. We
> > know that. We've known it from day one.
> >
> > Jackie Peterson: They know it too. They supported him fully until the
police
> > misled them, and that was to divide and separate him from them. He was
their
> > support. They were his support.
> >
> > Lee Peterson: We're just very critical of the way the Modesto police has
> > handled this investigation. They worked strictly on a theory that was
dreamt up
> > by this lead detective within the first eight hours, and they've pursued
it
> > backward from there and they have neglected so many good leads. Chief
(Roy)
> > Wasden made a comment during his news conference that on the evening
before
> > Christmas Eve, Laci's mother had spoken to Laci at 8:15 and that's the
last
> > time anyone saw Laci. Not true. There are several people who saw Laci.
> >
> > Jackie Peterson: Several people who the police immediately tried to
discredit
> > the minute they came forward, so they're not coming forward.
> >

> > Lee Peterson: And one of these gentlemen ā?" and they are prominent
people ā?"

> > he's a three-term council member up there and an attorney, and they saw
her and
> > they know her and the police have disregarded this. If it doesn't fit
their
> > theory, by God, they don't want to investigate it. I just can't be any
more
> > emphatic than that. And we're gonna pursue this thing.
> >
> > Jackie Peterson: I would like people to use their common sense and look
at the
> > big picture, not just one incident that for three months the police have
been
> > telling them Scott did not go fishing. Now conveniently, the body has
been
> > found where he told them he went fishing. Why would he go 80 miles
fishing,
> > come home with a receipt and buy gas and food along the way, have a
receipt of

> > the dock and tell the police exactly where he went fishing ā?" and the

proudmari

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>"Maggie"
> <maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC>
> wrote in message

>I can guarantee you that the woman I

> saw wheezing into a microphone today
> is picking up that phone every single
> time it rings and the caller ID indicates
> there's any possibility at all that it's
> Scott. For some reason he's not calling
> her.
>I think it's curious.

>Maggie

As someone who's been in contact with
an incarcerated male friend every weekend by phone for the last three
years, (and another three years to go) I can assure you that making
contact by phone for Scott right now is _probably_
next to impossible.

He is more than likely segregated from the main population right now,
which means having a guard escort him to the pay phone. Every inmate
must wait their turn, and getting busy signals doesn't mean you can tie
up a phone til you make contact.

Considering the nature of the charges Scott was arrested for, removing
him from his cell for any reason is probably _not_ in his best interest.
Since the pay phones are usually in an area accessible by other inmates,
the tightened security necessary to get him there under guard to protect
him _from_ the other inmates is probably a risk his jailors don't want
to be responsible for.

As mentioned by someone earlier, caller ID doesn't show the number when
a call is made out (I don't have caller ID, but I understand it says
"hidden"). Star 69 says "We were unable to identify the calling party".
The collect call WILL alert you via call waiting if you do have it and
are on the phone when the call comes through. You cannot call from the
jail or prison collect to a cell phone. Prepaid phone cards are not
allowed.

In the prison, you must ask in advance for the time you want to use the
phone,
if you get their late, you miss your turn. If the prison is on lock
down, NO calls can be made out. This happens pretty regularly. One time
it lasted for two weeks where my friend is incarcerated when the Arian
Brothers and the Mexican Mafia were at odds.

This is all based in N. California, so I'm pretty sure it would apply to
Scott's situation. He'd have better luck writing his folks a quick
letter if he really wants to make contact. His folks better get used to
the two way phones on visiting day til the notoriety of his arrest dies
down a bit IMO.

proud (BTDoingT) mari

Bo Raxo

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Let's see: one couple has a son in jail. The other has a dead daughter.

Yeah, I'd say the Rocha's loss is more grievous.

Duh!

EASTER BUNNY

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"Maggie" <maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC> wrote in message

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> From Time (it's also being played regularly on MSNBC):

>Jackie Peterson: .....and they were enjoying it to the hilt. And >they

adored each other.
>
> Lee Peterson: We were with them the week before Christmas, and you never
saw a
> more loving couple.
>

Such an adoring and loving husband. He is off adoring and loving Amber
while Laci is pregnant. Can't his parents at least say to themselves "well
we thought they were happy and so in love but Scott was seeing Amber so
maybe there is more he has hidden from us or not told us".

I can understand them defending him and not wanting to believe that a child
they have given birth to and raised is capable of killing his pregnant wife.
Jackie Peterson is the one who talks about having common sense she should
have some - Scott kept up the pretence of having a loving relationship with
Laci while he was seeing Amber doesn't that make them suspicious? They say
that they saw them a week before Christmas well Scott must be a good actor
because that is when he was seeing Amber. And they obviously didn't realise
that things weren't right at least on Scott's part.

It is expected and totally natural to defend ones child but there comes a
point when even a moron can add 2 and 2 and get 4.

Aussie Lurker

Gitchy

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"tinydancer" <tinyd...@hotmail.com>:

>> Just 2 minutes ago I was telling hubby that I don't think my
>> mother would ever stand up and shout to the world that there is
>> no way I or my brothers did something. She would love me, she
>> would support me, she would be there for me. She would hope none
>> of us had done anything and hope that the evidence would
>> exonerate us; but as for being in total denial of any involvement
>> on our part, I don't think she'd go there. And I'd put my
>> mother's love up against anyone's.
>>
>> Maybe I'll ask her and see what she says. :-)
>
>
>That's what I say...........
>
>td

A quote from my mother responding to my question about whether or
not she would declare to the world that there is no way any of
her kids would ever do such a thing:

"I don't know what I'd do and I hope I never have to find out. I
just now saw the mother on the news saying something about Lacy's
family being swayed by the police, but I just got in on the end
of it. I would think that she might, in her heart of hearts,
have some doubt about his innocence even though she is defending
him publicly."

So, I guess you never know until you are in those shoes. I intend
to never have to find out how my mother would react. :-)

Gitchy

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mar...@webtv.net (proudmari):

>As someone who's been in contact with
>an incarcerated male friend every weekend by phone for the last three
>years, (and another three years to go) I can assure you that making
>contact by phone for Scott right now is _probably_
> next to impossible.
>
>He is more than likely segregated from the main population right now,
>which means having a guard escort him to the pay phone. Every inmate
>must wait their turn, and getting busy signals doesn't mean you can tie
>up a phone til you make contact.

The Modesto Police in an interview said that there was a sort of
rolling phone where Scott is and that the phone is rolled right
up to his cell. I didn't hear what restrictions there are, but
they don't have to escort him anywhere.

They also said that any visitors would be screened as normal, so
I'm not sure why his parents haven't been to see him. They'll
surely show up for the doings today. It's quite a drive from
where they live.

Lori

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Apr 21, 2003, 7:04:27 AM4/21/03

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Is phone access the same for someone who is serving a prison sentence
and someone who has yet to be arraigned for an offense? I would just
assume that someone who is trying to arrange his defense etc., would
have more telephone privileges.

It was reported again last evening that Scott had made several phone
calls. I just find it curious that he had not yet spoken with his
parents but chose to call the lady that stood up for them when he and
Laci were married.

I get the feeling that Scott is angry with his parents. Not for
anything specific, just that he wants to manipulate them for some
reason. It is obvious that they are devoted to their son and it is also
obvious that Scott has no regard for those who love him.

Lori

Annie

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Apr 21, 2003, 7:05:06 AM4/21/03

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I worked as a nurse at a county jail.

Some posters suggested that Scott could call another party and be
connected to his parents with a 3 way call. Not possible at the jail
where I worked. Inmates would call collect. Even locally, the call cost
$1.50. There was a recording announcing that the call was from a
correctional institution and that by consenting to accept the call, the
person agreed that the phone call could be monitored and taped. It also
announced that any use of three way calling, or checking on an incoming
call with call waiting would result in the call being terminated.

As far as Scott having visitors, inmates did not have visiting until
they had been arraigned and assigned to a certain area of the jail.
Different areas had different visiting days and hours. Normally,
visiting didn't start until after the first week in jail.

The jail in Modesto is probably run differently than where I worked, but
my experiences might apply in a general way.
Annie

Luk

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Apr 21, 2003, 8:43:32 AM4/21/03

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okie dokie wrote:

> If Scott was raised with tough love, he wouldn't be in this position.
> That's why Mrs. Peterson is responsible for what her son has done.

I disagree. Raising the perfect son or daughter takes
common sense and LUCK. Children have their own personalities
and idiosyncrasies.

So do parents. Often the habits of one parent act
to cancel out good judgment in the other.

Or to put it simply, it ain't as easy as it looks.

Luk

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Apr 21, 2003, 8:45:18 AM4/21/03

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If Scott's parents failed to stand by their son, wouldn't
you be just as eager to criticize them for that?

Luk

Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)

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Apr 21, 2003, 9:02:27 AM4/21/03

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"Luk" <lukn...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3EA3E853...@earthlink.net...

How is making asinine comparisons to Hitler's Germany
and Stalin's Russia "standing by their son?" They aren't
doing any such thing. They're not standing by him, they're
slamming the police in such a transparent, pathetic way
that even the soc.men wouldn't believe them. In short,
I think they're echoing the lies Scott told them.

RstJ

connie rahim

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topazd...@aol.commonsense (Destiny) wrote in message news:<20030420164049...@mb-m02.aol.com>...
> >Subject: Interview w/ Lee and Jackie Peterson
> >From: maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC (Maggie)
> > The whole thing makes me want to vomit.

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>> schatzi wrote:
>> >
>> > I can understand 'love is blind' when it comes to your children... but
>> > come on, having his mom say for people to have 'common sense'...
>> > please!!!!!!!!! Why don't they acknowledge the affair he was having
>> > and I am sure they will be saying the same thing till their last day
>> > on earth. I know we have the 'innocent until proven guilty' but give
>> > me a freaking break... who the hell would believe his story... it is
>> > kind of weird they (parents) and scott himself come up with alibis or
>> > answers pretty quickly... oh well we'll have to see if they realize
>> > their son is a murderer...mdf
>>
>> If Scott's parents failed to stand by their son, wouldn't
>> you be just as eager to criticize them for that?
>>
>> Luk
>

rstj said:
>How is making asinine comparisons to Hitler's Germany
>and Stalin's Russia "standing by their son?" They aren't
>doing any such thing. They're not standing by him, they're
>slamming the police in such a transparent, pathetic way
>that even the soc.men wouldn't believe them. In short,
>I think they're echoing the lies Scott told them.

***Well, of course they are. But the Petersons don't believe Scott told them
lies.

Maggie

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Apr 21, 2003, 9:38:49 AM4/21/03

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***I'm thinking it was Gary Condit.

Gitchy

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Apr 21, 2003, 9:35:19 AM4/21/03

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connie....@spamgourmet.com (connie rahim):

Oh, that wacky Gary Condit. ;-)

Nancy Rudins

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Apr 21, 2003, 10:00:26 AM4/21/03

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You're right. From everything we could see, Ted Bundy, Jeff Dahmer,
Tim McVeigh, and Diane Downs had pretty good parents. I've also
known some rotten parents whose kids managed to turn out pretty
well.

Maggie

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Apr 21, 2003, 10:05:41 AM4/21/03

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>> okie dokie wrote:
>>
>> > If Scott was raised with tough love, he wouldn't be in this position.
>> > That's why Mrs. Peterson is responsible for what her son has done.
>>
>> I disagree. Raising the perfect son or daughter takes
>> common sense and LUCK. Children have their own personalities
>> and idiosyncrasies.
>>
>> So do parents. Often the habits of one parent act
>> to cancel out good judgment in the other.
>>
>> Or to put it simply, it ain't as easy as it looks.
>>
>> Luk
>>

Nancy said:
>You're right. From everything we could see, Ted Bundy, Jeff Dahmer,
>Tim McVeigh, and Diane Downs had pretty good parents. I've also
>known some rotten parents whose kids managed to turn out pretty
>well.

***Yep. Everyone wants to think this couldn't happen to them, so they comfort
themselves by demonizing the parents ("I'm a much better parent than that
odious Jackie Peterson. Therefore, my children could never murder anyone.")

I sure wish it worked that way all the time. It usually does, just not always.

Pat N. Leatther

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Apr 21, 2003, 10:12:10 AM4/21/03

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"connie rahim" <connie....@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
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You've been watching too many detective shows.

>

Patty

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Apr 21, 2003, 11:30:30 AM4/21/03

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> ***I thought the whole thing was very pathetic (if you saw it televised, you
> would have seen the oxygen tubes at Mrs. Peterson's nose and could have heard
> her heavy breathing). But there was some good factual information relayed (if
> it can be believed):
>
> The purple Mercedes belonged to them and had been loaned to Scott because he
> "sold his car." Was that his new truck??? And the reason he sold it was
> because he didn't have to haul things anymore. Does that mean he's no longer
> selling fertilizer? So what's he doing?
>
> Maggie

Ted Rowlands said the mercedes belonged to a Peterson family member,
was not a brand new car but had been bought recently.

Patty

Kris Baker

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Apr 21, 2003, 12:09:08 PM4/21/03

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"tinydancer" <tinyd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> I can't recall her exact words, but when Mrs. Peterson said
> something about 'It being way too coincidental that those
> bodies should happen to turn up right where scott had
> been fishing' I thought ......"no duh" talk about
> living in fantasy land.......
>
> td

Especially since Scott didn't admit to the "fishing trip" until
**after** the police found the Marina parking ticket.

Ridenour has already stated that Scott did not give them
the parking ticket.

Kris

Kris Baker

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Apr 21, 2003, 12:13:16 PM4/21/03

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"Nancy Rudins" <nru...@spongebob.ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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>
> You're right. From everything we could see, Ted Bundy, Jeff Dahmer,
> Tim McVeigh, and Diane Downs had pretty good parents. I've also
> known some rotten parents whose kids managed to turn out pretty
> well.
>
> Kind regards,
> Nancy

From what I've read, Bundy's family was pretty screwed up.

Kris

Nancy Rudins

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Apr 21, 2003, 1:03:03 PM4/21/03

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Yes, they were a little screwed up. It seems, though, that Johnnie
and Louise tried to provide a stable environment when they moved
to Washington. He had half-siblings that seemed to avoid a life
of crime. He had cousins that he kept up with.

Newsreader

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Apr 21, 2003, 1:08:25 PM4/21/03

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"Patty" <eartha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Apr 21, 2003, 1:32:50 PM4/21/03

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"okie dokie" <ok...@okiedokie.com> wrote in message
news:s3j6avsc31kt2ksbq...@4ax.com...

> On 20 Apr 2003 23:06:37 GMT, redh...@aol.com (REDHAND1) wrote:
>
> >>Well, I can't really fault these people. They're just doing what a lot
of

> >>parents would do: refuse to accept that their own child could be
responsible
> >>for such a horrendous crime. It's a natural coping mechanism,and I would
> >>probably do the same thing if the child I bore and raised was accused of
> >>murdering his wife and baby.
>

> Hey, the mom, with her Nazi and Soviet Union comment is on crack.
> Even though the stuff is going through her nostrils and the
> hyperventilation you can hear, you can tell that she's disconnected
> from reality. The pop largely takes cues from the sick mom. You can
> tell who wears the pants in that relationship.
>
> The Petersons may be understandable to some, but they're entirely
> responsible for raising a son who shirks responsibilities and resorts
> to lies. I bet that's how they raised this kid, from the minute he
> broke the neighbor's window with a baseball to when he had his first
> fender bender.
>
> Mom, I didn't do nutting. Okay, son, I believe you. You did nothing
> wrong. It's your neighbor that's on crack. Here, have some oatmeal
> cookies.
>
> They raised a manchild with no regard nor compassion for fellow human
> beings. That's how a psychopath is made. You become one through
> constant coddling. And the little, two-legged walking devil becomes
> emboldened as he gets away with one thing after another. Then he
> finally murders someone, and his parents are the only ones standing by
> him -- okay, my lil one, you didn't kill her. Someone else did.
> They're lynching you for no reason. Why, this must be Nazi Germany.
>
> If I had my way, I would pull that disgusting tube from the nostrils
> of that Peterson mom and throw her in jail, too, for bad parenting.
> If you examine Scott Peterson's life from birth to the murder of Lacy
> and Connor, you'll see that his parents had a huge influence on his
> psychopathic behaviors. The constant support he got from his "you can
> do no wrong" parents and the "uncondiitional love" he got from them,
> made him the despicable psychopath he is.
>
> It takes more than one person to strive toward full-blown psychopathic
> behaviors. Behind every psychopath is an enabler who will defend
> their kids from every misdeed they commit.

>
> If Scott was raised with tough love, he wouldn't be in this position.
> That's why Mrs. Peterson is responsible for what her son has done.
>

***I think you are totally wrong about this. Raising children is not an easy
thing to do. When my son was acting out as a teen I used to go to meetings
of a group called "Because I Love You" which was sort of a gentler version
of "Tough Love". Many of the parents there had brought up their children in
a very "strict" manner. One father was a police officer. Most were well
educated and concerned about being good parents, or they wouldn't have been
attending these meetings. Fortunately, my own son grew out of rebelling.
He's now applying to graduate school in Business Administration. I have the
utmost sympathy for parents, most of whom are doing the best they can.
Children are exposed to many outside influences beyond the home. Their peers
can have an even greater influence than their parents. Unfortunately,
rebellion among middle-class adolescents in not at all uncommon. Many/most
kids grow out of this, but there are some who do not. Futhermore, there are
many kids who were raised in a very strict environment who are not able to
handle independence when they get older and they start acting out when they
get to college or even later.

It sort of bothers me that Scott went to so many different colleges. I'd be
curious to know what his grades were. None of those schools has a reputation
for high academic standards. In fact ASU has a reputation for being a kind
of "party school." Anyway, I don't blame Scott's problems on his parents,
but I didn't like their press conference either. If they gave one at all,
they should have waited until they talked to his attorney or some other
"spin doctor."

There have been serious studies of the minds of psychopaths. I can't quote
them, but I sincerely doubt if anyone became a psycho because his parents
spoiled him. On the contrary, if there is any bad parenting involved, I
would think it would be of the type that does not let a child know that
he/she is loved.

Maggie

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Apr 21, 2003, 1:48:09 PM4/21/03

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>> patty said:
>> >Ted Rowlands said the mercedes belonged to a Peterson family member,
>> >was not a brand new car but had been bought recently.
>>
>> ***I can see it now. The ID belonged to the brother who owned the car.
> Unless
>> it was found in Scott's wallet, he'll say that he had no idea it was there.
>> Any word on where the ID was found?
>>
>> Maggie
>

rstj said:
>Maggie, seriously, come on. Why would anyone leave their ID in
>a car they were loaning to someone else?

***We don't know what the ID is, so I'm sure there are a thousand excuses (it's
an old license, it's just a student ID card, it's an old work ID, it's just the
car's registration card, Oops, I must have dropped it when I changed a tire, I
always keep my passport in the car in case I need to drive into Mexico, etc.,
etc.).

I didn't say the excuse would be true. Just that it's a tiny window that will
be exploited if the ID was found anywhere other than on Scott's person.

Phoenix

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Apr 21, 2003, 1:57:22 PM4/21/03

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In article <3ea3be18.379375
@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>,
gitchy...@yahoo.com says...
> "tinydancer" <tinyd...@hotmail.com>:
>
> >> Just 2 minutes ago I was telling hubby that I don't think my
> >> mother would ever stand up and shout to the world that there is
> >> no way I or my brothers did something. She would love me, she
> >> would support me, she would be there for me. She would hope none
> >> of us had done anything and hope that the evidence would
> >> exonerate us; but as for being in total denial of any involvement
> >> on our part, I don't think she'd go there. And I'd put my
> >> mother's love up against anyone's.
> >>
> >> Maybe I'll ask her and see what she says. :-)
> >
> >
> >That's what I say...........
> >
> >td
>
> A quote from my mother responding to my question about whether or
> not she would declare to the world that there is no way any of
> her kids would ever do such a thing:
>
> "I don't know what I'd do and I hope I never have to find out. I
> just now saw the mother on the news saying something about Lacy's
> family being swayed by the police, but I just got in on the end
> of it. I would think that she might, in her heart of hearts,
> have some doubt about his innocence even though she is defending
> him publicly."
>
> So, I guess you never know until you are in those shoes. I intend
> to never have to find out how my mother would react. :-)
>

My family has had considerable LE experience
(not as perps, BTW) and I can just picture how
they'd react. Publicly, they'd be tight
lipped, nary a controversial word to the
press, short clipped statements with no
inherent meaning.

Privately, they'd kick my ass. "After the way
we raised you, how could you get involved in a
mess like this!" Even if I were innocent,
they'd lay into me for ever behaving the way
Scott Peterson has before the media and to the
investigators. And then they'd take over my
defense strategy and tell me to shut up until
it's over.

bel

Phoenix

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Apr 21, 2003, 2:01:12 PM4/21/03

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In article <9031ab05.0304201930.506f1558
@posting.google.com>, mjke...@hotmail.com
says...
> sage...@aol.com (SageJelly) wrote in message news:<20030420190128...@mb-m04.aol.com>...
> > Well, I can't really fault these people. They're just doing what a lot of other

> > parents would do: refuse to accept that their own child could be responsible
> > for such a horrendous crime. It's a natural coping mechanism,and I would
> > probably do the same thing if the child I bore and raised was accused of
> > murdering his wife and baby.
>

> Their denial is understandable but their glaring efforts to make their
> son and themselves "look good" in the media presence is appalling.
> It's about as appalling as Scott's efforts to save face during his
> interview following the revelation of his affair. "Oh yeah, it wasn't
> a positive, but my wife was cool with it." Whaaahh?
>
> My point is, especially if you believe you are/your son is innocent of
> a crime, you should keep your mouth shut in the eyes of a critical
> (and increasingly scrutinizing) public media...lest you let something
> stupid slip that opens you up to even more scrutiny, warranted or
> not...

Exactly!

bel - who's is advising these people anyway?

>

Maggie

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Apr 21, 2003, 2:10:46 PM4/21/03

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***Well said.

When I read some of the statements here, I wonder if the people who are
harshest on the Petersons have (or have ever had) teenagers--at least more than
one. It's really hard to get through those years without a healthy
appreciation for how little effect parents have on children at some points in
their lives.

Phoenix

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Apr 21, 2003, 2:11:43 PM4/21/03

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In article <4QVoa.583688$S_4.635998
@rwcrnsc53>, "Robert St. James $el corazon
del demonio$" <robert...@yahoo.com>
says...

?????? You've never heard of keeping a
duplicate license in one's car?

Never done that personally, but I've known
people who have.

bel

>
>
>
>

Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)

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Apr 21, 2003, 2:30:17 PM4/21/03

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"Maggie" <maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC> wrote in message

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> >> patty said:
> >> >Ted Rowlands said the mercedes belonged to a Peterson family member,
> >> >was not a brand new car but had been bought recently.
> >>
> >> ***I can see it now. The ID belonged to the brother who owned the car.
> > Unless
> >> it was found in Scott's wallet, he'll say that he had no idea it was there.
> >> Any word on where the ID was found?
> >>
> >> Maggie
> >
> rstj said:
> >Maggie, seriously, come on. Why would anyone leave their ID in
> >a car they were loaning to someone else?
>
> ***We don't know what the ID is, so I'm sure there are a thousand excuses (it's
> an old license, it's just a student ID card, it's an old work ID, it's just the
> car's registration card, Oops, I must have dropped it when I changed a tire, I
> always keep my passport in the car in case I need to drive into Mexico, etc.,
> etc.).

<laugh> Oh yeah, and 10k ready cash in case of those unforeseen
expenses like really high green fees in Switzerland, uh, I mean San
Diego.

>
> I didn't say the excuse would be true. Just that it's a tiny window that will
> be exploited if the ID was found anywhere other than on Scott's person.
>
> Maggie

Exploited for what purpose? How many forms of ID do most people
normally carry? I can think of only one: driver's license. Maybe a
military ID if you were in the service, or perhaps a club membership
card. But the immediate idea that leaps to mind is he had his brother's
drivers license. Maybe we'll get some clarification on this later.

10K in the trunk is an escape kit. No other rational explanation
for carrying that type of cash around in your trunk, unless Scott's
new job is "drug dealer."

RstJ

Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)

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Apr 21, 2003, 3:08:36 PM4/21/03

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"Phoenix" <avian...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Well then, that's mighty convenient for Scott to have that
ID in that car. I wouldn't be at all surprised to discover that
the ID was with the money, not in Scott's wallet.

RstJ

BethF

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Apr 21, 2003, 4:05:08 PM4/21/03

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"Newsreader" <Newsr...@alias.com> wrote in message
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> There have been serious studies of the minds of psychopaths. I can't quote
> them, but I sincerely doubt if anyone became a psycho because his parents
> spoiled him. On the contrary, if there is any bad parenting involved, I
> would think it would be of the type that does not let a child know that
> he/she is loved.

I suppose though that a psychopath born into a loving home, that attempting
to inflict discipline on them might be less likely to commit crimes against
another person than one who was poorly raised. so, the brain might be
screwed up in both persons, but one might be less screwed up due to
environment.

Maggie

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Apr 21, 2003, 4:06:23 PM4/21/03

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>> > > patty said:
>> > > >Ted Rowlands said the mercedes belonged to a Peterson family member,
>> > > >was not a brand new car but had been bought recently.
>> > >
>> > > ***I can see it now. The ID belonged to the brother who owned the
>car.
>Unless
>> > > it was found in Scott's wallet, he'll say that he had no idea it was
>there.
>> > > Any word on where the ID was found?
>> > >
>> > > Maggie
>> >
>> > Maggie, seriously, come on. Why would anyone leave their ID in
>> > a car they were loaning to someone else?
>> >
>> > RstJ
>>
>> ?????? You've never heard of keeping a
>> duplicate license in one's car?
>>
>> Never done that personally, but I've known
>> people who have.
>>
>> bel
>

rstj said:
>Well then, that's mighty convenient for Scott to have that
>ID in that car. I wouldn't be at all surprised to discover that
>the ID was with the money, not in Scott's wallet.

***...and now we learn that the money story is likely false.

Surely if Scott really had an escape kit ready, we'll hear about it at the
arraignment when the prosecutors argue against bail.

Karg

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okie dokie <ok...@okiedokie.com> wrote in message news:<s3j6avsc31kt2ksbq...@4ax.com>...
> On 20 Apr 2003 23:06:37 GMT, redh...@aol.com (REDHAND1) wrote:
>

> >>Well, I can't really fault these people. They're just doing what a lot of

> >>parents would do: refuse to accept that their own child could be responsible
> >>for such a horrendous crime. It's a natural coping mechanism,and I would
> >>probably do the same thing if the child I bore and raised was accused of
> >>murdering his wife and baby.
>

> Hey, the mom, with her Nazi and Soviet Union comment is on crack.
> Even though the stuff is going through her nostrils and the
> hyperventilation you can hear, you can tell that she's disconnected
> from reality. The pop largely takes cues from the sick mom. You can
> tell who wears the pants in that relationship.
>
> The Petersons may be understandable to some, but they're entirely
> responsible for raising a son who shirks responsibilities and resorts
> to lies. I bet that's how they raised this kid, from the minute he
> broke the neighbor's window with a baseball to when he had his first
> fender bender.

And I'll bet you have no knowledge as to how he actually *was*
raised. The only things I've read about what he was like growing up
have been positive ones.

>
> Mom, I didn't do nutting. Okay, son, I believe you. You did nothing
> wrong. It's your neighbor that's on crack. Here, have some oatmeal
> cookies.
>
> They raised a manchild with no regard nor compassion for fellow human
> beings. That's how a psychopath is made. You become one through
> constant coddling. And the little, two-legged walking devil becomes
> emboldened as he gets away with one thing after another. Then he
> finally murders someone, and his parents are the only ones standing by
> him -- okay, my lil one, you didn't kill her. Someone else did.
> They're lynching you for no reason. Why, this must be Nazi Germany.

The comment was based on a DA calling the case a slam dunk before an
arrainment. It's overstated but understandable from a mother who from
all the information that has been made public has a reason to be
shocked at what her son is accused of doing.

>
> If I had my way, I would pull that disgusting tube from the nostrils
> of that Peterson mom and throw her in jail, too, for bad parenting.
> If you examine Scott Peterson's life from birth to the murder of Lacy
> and Connor, you'll see that his parents had a huge influence on his
> psychopathic behaviors.

Of course, you have neither the facts nor the expertise to back up
your statement.

The constant support he got from his "you can
> do no wrong" parents and the "uncondiitional love" he got from them,
> made him the despicable psychopath he is.
>
> It takes more than one person to strive toward full-blown psychopathic
> behaviors. Behind every psychopath is an enabler who will defend
> their kids from every misdeed they commit.
>
> If Scott was raised with tough love, he wouldn't be in this position.
> That's why Mrs. Peterson is responsible for what her son has done.

You, sir, are a moron.

butt...@tima.com

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Apr 21, 2003, 5:08:28 PM4/21/03

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Phoenix wrote:
>
>
> ?????? You've never heard of keeping a
> duplicate license in one's car?

Here in Indiana, if you get a new drivers' license, the previous license
is no longer valid. This is even if it's a duplicated license. (I lost
mine, got a duplicate, and then had the orginal mailed back to me by the
person who found my wallet. License branch said that it was no longer
valid, and that I should cut it up.)

Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)

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Apr 21, 2003, 5:10:18 PM4/21/03

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"Maggie" <maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC> wrote in message

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I don't think they'll have to put up much of an argument. Let's see
if the money story is false. I've heard the exact figure questioned,
but not that Scott had a nice wad of cash with him when arrested.

RstJ

tinydancer

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Apr 21, 2003, 2:52:02 PM4/21/03

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"Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote in message
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I'd read that here, that's even better. I remembered there was some
'confusion' early on about scott's itinerary but I couldn't recall the
details of the confusion as at the time I was still working on the
assumption that someone stole Laci for the baby. Thanks all for clearing
that up.

td
>
>

tinydancer

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Apr 21, 2003, 2:54:01 PM4/21/03

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"Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote in message

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As was Dahmers and Downs.............IIRC, I thought Dahmers mother had had
a number of nervous breakdowns when he was a kid, and Diane Downs insinuated
that her father molested her, IIRC there was a record of one of the
instances she relayed to the cops or DA.

td

>
>

tinydancer

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Apr 21, 2003, 2:55:13 PM4/21/03

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"Nancy Rudins" <nru...@spongebob.ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.44.030421...@spongebob.ncsa.uiuc.edu...
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Kris Baker wrote:
>
> >
> > "Nancy Rudins" <nru...@spongebob.ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
> > news:Pine.LNX.4.44.030421...@spongebob.ncsa.uiuc.edu...
> > >
> > > You're right. From everything we could see, Ted Bundy, Jeff Dahmer,
> > > Tim McVeigh, and Diane Downs had pretty good parents. I've also
> > > known some rotten parents whose kids managed to turn out pretty
> > > well.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Nancy
> >
> > From what I've read, Bundy's family was pretty screwed up.
> >
> > Kris
> >
> >
> >
>
> Yes, they were a little screwed up. It seems, though, that Johnnie
> and Louise tried to provide a stable environment when they moved
> to Washington. He had half-siblings that seemed to avoid a life
> of crime. He had cousins that he kept up with.
>
> Kind regards,
> Nancy

Wasn't Bundy born out of wedlock and passed off as his mothers 'little
brother' before she married, or am I confusing him with someone else??

td

sherman

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Apr 21, 2003, 6:02:38 PM4/21/03

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"tinydancer" <tinyd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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>
> "Nancy Rudins" <nru...@spongebob.ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.LNX.4.44.030421...@spongebob.ncsa.uiuc.edu...
> > On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Kris Baker wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "Nancy Rudins" <nru...@spongebob.ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
> > >
news:Pine.LNX.4.44.030421...@spongebob.ncsa.uiuc.edu...
> > > >
> > > > You're right. From everything we could see, Ted Bundy, Jeff Dahmer,
> > > > Tim McVeigh, and Diane Downs had pretty good parents. I've also
> > > > known some rotten parents whose kids managed to turn out pretty
> > > > well.
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > > Nancy
> > >
> > > From what I've read, Bundy's family was pretty screwed up.
> > >
> > > Kris
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yes, they were a little screwed up. It seems, though, that Johnnie
> > and Louise tried to provide a stable environment when they moved
> > to Washington. He had half-siblings that seemed to avoid a life
> > of crime. He had cousins that he kept up with.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Nancy
>
>
> Wasn't Bundy born out of wedlock and passed off as his mothers 'little
> brother' before she married, or am I confusing him with someone else??
>
> td

That's correct. No one knows who his father is or if it is or is not his
grandfather. He was never told anything. His sister / mother married and
moved to the west coast and he went to live with his "sister". No one ever
talked to him about anything. I think that this is the one thing primarily
in common with some of these outlandish killers - their families did not
talk - were not emotionally honest.

Sherman.

tinydancer

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Apr 21, 2003, 6:49:03 PM4/21/03

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"sherman" <sh...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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Thanks Sherman, I couldn't quite remember the history.....it does seem lots
of these cases were like that though. I wonder why when I discuss how much
my girls and I 'do talk' many get all bent out of shape about it here.
Seems like being open and honest would be considered a good thing.

td

>
>

Gitchy

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Apr 21, 2003, 6:57:38 PM4/21/03

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maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC (Maggie):

>***...and now we learn that the money story is likely false.

I missed that. Last I heard, McAllister was saying there was a
perfectly good explanation for the money being in his car.

"McAllister, who had represented Peterson before the arraignment
and met with him in jail Saturday night, said there was a good
explanation for the cash his client had during his arrest, but
declined to discuss that or other elements of the case."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84719,00.html

Gitchy

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Apr 21, 2003, 6:59:35 PM4/21/03

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Phoenix <avian...@yahoo.com>:

>> Their denial is understandable but their glaring efforts to make their
>> son and themselves "look good" in the media presence is appalling.
>> It's about as appalling as Scott's efforts to save face during his
>> interview following the revelation of his affair. "Oh yeah, it wasn't
>> a positive, but my wife was cool with it." Whaaahh?
>>
>> My point is, especially if you believe you are/your son is innocent of
>> a crime, you should keep your mouth shut in the eyes of a critical
>> (and increasingly scrutinizing) public media...lest you let something
>> stupid slip that opens you up to even more scrutiny, warranted or
>> not...
>
>
>Exactly!
>
>bel - who's is advising these people anyway?

Scott Lee Peterson.

Luk

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Apr 21, 2003, 7:22:11 PM4/21/03

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Nancy Rudins wrote:
> You're right. From everything we could see, Ted Bundy, Jeff Dahmer,
> Tim McVeigh, and Diane Downs had pretty good parents. I've also
> known some rotten parents whose kids managed to turn out pretty
> well.
>

My impression is that if you look at anyone's family
hard enough, you'll find skeletons - but an unusually
harsh family background is not a consistent explanation
for the formation of a killer.

Luk

Gitchy

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Apr 21, 2003, 7:57:49 PM4/21/03

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Gitchy <gitchy...@yahoo.com>:

>maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC (Maggie):
>
>>***...and now we learn that the money story is likely false.
>
>I missed that. Last I heard, McAllister was saying there was a
>perfectly good explanation for the money being in his car.

I'm caught up now and I read your other posts. I wonder how much
he had with him. So many questions..

okie dokie

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Apr 21, 2003, 8:34:48 PM4/21/03

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On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:32:50 GMT, "Newsreader" <Newsr...@alias.com>
wrote:

>He's now applying to graduate school in Business Administration. I have the
>utmost sympathy for parents, most of whom are doing the best they can.

Oooh la la, so your son is gonna hit big time, getting his MBA. Let
me guess who he's trying to emulate. Michael Milken? That you would
equate good upbringing with monetary success tells you all about your
own skewed morality. Look, your son could have dropped out of grade
school. He could be toiling as some shoeshine at Grand Central. But
he's still a better human being if he respects the rights of his
fellow men.

>It sort of bothers me that Scott went to so many different colleges. I'd be

Surely, not good enough to get an MBA. What do you expect from a
fertilizer salesman? That's right, Scott must be guilty since he
attended so many shitty edgekational institutions like ASU and Cal
Poly Wolly.

Plus, he seems to be reaching anyway. Imagine, golfing at Torey Pines
and living large in La Jolla with Ivan Boeksy, while working for Lawn
Doctor. You'll scream he'd been railroaded if he actually had an MBA.

Kris Baker

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Apr 21, 2003, 8:30:11 PM4/21/03

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"Gitchy" <gitchy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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None of the news sources are retracting the report
about the $10,000 -- and these are in stories posted
in the past hour or two. MSNBC is still carrying it,
also:

http://www.msnbc.com/local/knsd/a1585703.asp
MODESTO, Calif., 2:21 p.m. PDT
Peterson was held without bail three days after
police arrested him in San Diego County to prevent
him from fleeing to Mexico. He was carrying nearly
$10,000 in cash and had dyed his hair and grown
a beard.

LA Times:
5:01 PM PDT, April 21, 2003
Scott Peterson Pleads Not Guilty
"Law enforcement officials said that Peterson had
$10,000 in cash with him when he was taken into
custody near a La Jolla golf course. He had
been staying at his mother's home in the area."

Kris

okie dokie

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Apr 21, 2003, 8:48:20 PM4/21/03

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On 21 Apr 2003 13:19:57 -0700, Buck...@spiderlist.com (Karg) wrote:

>And I'll bet you have no knowledge as to how he actually *was*
>raised. The only things I've read about what he was like growing up
>have been positive ones.

One glance at the mom with the tube going through her nostrils tells
you that he was pampered every minute of his teenage life.

>The comment was based on a DA calling the case a slam dunk before an
>arrainment. It's overstated but understandable from a mother who from
>all the information that has been made public has a reason to be
>shocked at what her son is accused of doing.

Shocked, after having read and examined all the evidence available to
the man in the street for the last five months? In fact, the
Petersons ran their own Web site, collected "tips" and no one knows
what these devious people did with the tips. Then they try to
besmirch the Modesto Police Department by spreading half truths, half
lies that are worse than lies. The widespread view is that the Mr.
Peterson at least is probably aware that his Junior is guilty. It's
the hyperventilating mumsy who still clings to his Lil Scotti Boy
playing Little League, that's trying to confuse the issue here.

>Of course, you have neither the facts nor the expertise to back up
>your statement.

>You, sir, are a moron.

Ooh, so you resort to name calling, just like the Petersons.
Modesto's cops have bungled this investigation. Inspector Clouseauuu.
And you're such an impartial observer of the delusional and despicable
Petersons.

Bett

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Apr 21, 2003, 8:49:59 PM4/21/03

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---Denial is not just a river that runs through Egypt, it appears to
be a trait that runs in the Peterson blood and/or his Parents taught
him well.

Maggie

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Apr 21, 2003, 8:50:15 PM4/21/03

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>Nancy Rudins wrote:
>> You're right. From everything we could see, Ted Bundy, Jeff Dahmer,
>> Tim McVeigh, and Diane Downs had pretty good parents. I've also
>> known some rotten parents whose kids managed to turn out pretty
>> well.
>>

Luk said:
>My impression is that if you look at anyone's family
>hard enough, you'll find skeletons - but an unusually
>harsh family background is not a consistent explanation
>for the formation of a killer.

***Yep.

Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)

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Apr 21, 2003, 8:59:55 PM4/21/03

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<....>

> > > > > From what I've read, Bundy's family was pretty screwed up.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kris

<...>

> > That's correct. No one knows who his father is or if it is or is not his
> > grandfather. He was never told anything. His sister / mother married and
> > moved to the west coast and he went to live with his "sister". No one
> ever
> > talked to him about anything. I think that this is the one thing
> primarily
> > in common with some of these outlandish killers - their families did not
> > talk - were not emotionally honest.
> >
> > Sherman.

I think there's a habit to look backwards and assume that family
problem=psychopath kid. But seriously, how honest can you be
with such a personality? Severe mental pathology on the part
of one member of the family doesn't make for open and honest
relationships with the rest. While it can be argued that screwed-up
families produce screwed-up adults, it can be just as true that
screwed-up kids can twist and destroy families. How do you deal
with a young (say 10yr old) who is displaying signs of sociopathy?

RstJ

Newsreader

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Apr 21, 2003, 11:43:36 PM4/21/03

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"okie dokie" <ok...@okiedokie.com> wrote in message

news:6i19av4p4res3q5cl...@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:32:50 GMT, "Newsreader" <Newsr...@alias.com>
> wrote:
>
> >He's now applying to graduate school in Business Administration. I have
the
> >utmost sympathy for parents, most of whom are doing the best they can.
>
> Oooh la la, so your son is gonna hit big time, getting his MBA. Let
> me guess who he's trying to emulate. Michael Milken? That you would
> equate good upbringing with monetary success tells you all about your
> own skewed morality.

***I can't imagine what would bring you to belittle me and my son whom you
know nothing about. I tried very hard to write a civil reponse to your first
post about parenting. I said absolutely nothing about *you*. How dare you
insult my "morality"!! Welcome to my killfile.

Look, your son could have dropped out of grade
> school. He could be toiling as some shoeshine at Grand Central. But
> he's still a better human being if he respects the rights of his
> fellow men.

Who said anything different?

>
> >It sort of bothers me that Scott went to so many different colleges. I'd
be
>
> Surely, not good enough to get an MBA. What do you expect from a
> fertilizer salesman? That's right, Scott must be guilty since he
> attended so many shitty edgekational institutions like ASU and Cal
> Poly Wolly.

It doesn't make him guilty, it makes him unstable. What do you have against
a good education anyway? Don't bother answering, because I won't read it.

>
> Plus, he seems to be reaching anyway. Imagine, golfing at Torey Pines
> and living large in La Jolla with Ivan Boeksy, while working for Lawn
> Doctor. You'll scream he'd been railroaded if he actually had an MBA.

No, but I'd respect him for the discipline and hard work that are required
to get a graduate degree. As another poster said, you, Mr./Ms. Okie Dokie,
are indeed a moron.

Annie

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Apr 21, 2003, 11:34:36 PM4/21/03

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It's ridiculous to accuse Mrs. Peterson of bad parenting. Poor woman. I
doubt that any of the posters here know how she raised her children.

I said in another post that I think she's delusional. She's having a
hard time looking at the evidence and is grasping at straws, trying to
keep her belief that her son is innocent. Being delusional, or unable to
accept a situation hardly makes her a bad parent.

I raised 6 children... four of my own and two more from toddlers, after
my sister was brain damaged in a bad car accident. I've also been a
foster parent and a foster grandmother. They're all functional, happy
adults, but I'm not sure how much of that was simply luck. If I knew
absolutely how to raise kids, I'd write the book and make a fortune!

Each child is different and as the parent/caretaker, you have to figure
out what works with ~that~ child. Sometimes you're lucky and the child
grows up to be a happy person who treats other people well. (That's my
definition of success as a parent.) Sometimes that doesn't happen, no
matter what you've tried. I've seen great people come out of horrible
family situations and messed up people come out of loving households.
I've puzzled over this for years and don't have the answer. I tend to
think that there are many factors at work, such as brain chemistry, and
it's hard to know which factor contributed to the person being messed
up.

Annie

Michael Snyder

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Apr 21, 2003, 11:54:23 PM4/21/03

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Luk wrote in message <3EA47D12...@earthlink.net>...

>
>
>Nancy Rudins wrote:
>> You're right. From everything we could see, Ted Bundy, Jeff Dahmer,
>> Tim McVeigh, and Diane Downs had pretty good parents.

And Wuornos. But really, I don't think Ted Bundy's childhood
was all that outrageously tough. Lots of people who don't become
serial killers have had far worse.

Maggie

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Apr 21, 2003, 11:54:59 PM4/21/03

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***Exactly, Annie. Those people looking for some smoking gun in the way Scott
was raised will never find it. The Petersons had a house full of children,
they're all over 30 and, AFAWK, are contributing members of society (at least
they aren't living with mom and dad and the tabloids haven't dug up stories
about their drug habits). I think people do all this carping to make
themselves feel better. If Jackie Peterson is a demon who made her son into a
monster (nevermind that it was just one child out of seven and no one knew he
was a monster until a few months ago), they are safe from having this happen
to their own children. It's just too scary for them to think otherwise.

And, FWIW, you are spot-on about the current thinking regarding psychiatric
disorders--many (probably most) are thought to result from neurological
abnormalities.

Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)

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Apr 22, 2003, 12:03:40 AM4/22/03

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"Newsreader" <Newsr...@alias.com> wrote in message

news:IT2pa.590036$S_4.643486@rwcrnsc53...

>
> "okie dokie" <ok...@okiedokie.com> wrote in message

<...>

> > Surely, not good enough to get an MBA. What do you expect from a
> > fertilizer salesman? That's right, Scott must be guilty since he
> > attended so many shitty edgekational institutions like ASU and Cal
> > Poly Wolly.
>
> It doesn't make him guilty, it makes him unstable. What do you have against
> a good education anyway? Don't bother answering, because I won't read it.

Jumping in, although not directly into the fray. There are other reasons
Scott might have shifted schools. He might have been angling to be
a pro golfer and figured he had a better shot at a different school, kind
of like a football player might elect to be a big shot at a smaller university
rather than playing backup to a superstar at Ohio State, for example.
We still don't know why Scott changed schools. It may very well
have been for a positive reason (better connections to the pro golfing
world) rather than negative (dropping out).

RstJ

<...>

Nancy Rudins

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Apr 22, 2003, 9:41:49 AM4/22/03

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On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, tinydancer wrote:

>
> "Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote in message
> news:wMUoa.285$fc6...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
> >

> > From what I've read, Bundy's family was pretty screwed up.
> >
> > Kris
>
> As was Dahmers and Downs.............IIRC, I thought Dahmers mother had had
> a number of nervous breakdowns when he was a kid, and Diane Downs insinuated
> that her father molested her, IIRC there was a record of one of the
> instances she relayed to the cops or DA.
>
> td
>
>

For all of these screwups, there was at least one adult to whom the
child could turn. Johnnie and Louise Bundy, as far as can be seen
from what's available, did their best to provide a stable environemnt
for Ted. Ted was considered by Louise to be her bright and shining
star, according to Ann Rule's book. He had half-siblings and cousins
nearby who did not take the path he took. Jeff Dahmer was close to
his father. I don't recall if he had any siblings. Diane Downs
probably was molested by her father. Ann Rule's book mentions an
incident during which father and daughter were riding in the car
on a highway in the desert when a molestation incident was taking
place or about to take place when the car was pulled over by a
state trooper, who asked Diane if she was all right. The trooper
took Mr. Downs aside and, whatever he told him stopped the
molestations from that point. Diane's mother seems to have
been weak. Diane, too, had a sibling who took a different
path than she did.

At any rate, I don't place too high a premium on the relative
rottenness of a criminal's parents. Some, yes, but not a lot.

Kind regards,
Nancy