Idaho Killer Claude Dallas to Be Released
MrPepper11
Idaho Killer Claude Dallas to Be Released
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
OWYHEE COUNTY, Idaho (AP) -- Idaho's most infamous outlaw, Claude
Dallas, killed two state officers in a remote desert 24 years ago in a
crime that brought him notoriety as both a callous criminal and a
modern-day mountain man at odds with the government.
Now a bespectacled 54-year-old, Dallas is to be released from prison
Sunday after serving nearly 22 years for the execution-style slayings
of Conley Elms and Bill Pogue, officers for the Idaho Department of
Fish and Game.
The case has been among the most polarizing in Idaho history, with some
expressing disgust at how Dallas has gained a measure of folk-hero
status among those who rally against the establishment.
Some compared him to Gordon Kahl, a tax-evader killed by U.S. marshals
in North Dakota in 1983; to Randy Weaver, the protagonist in the 1992
Ruby Ridge standoff; or even to Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City
bomber.
"Those cases always end up getting connected after the fact," said Jess
Walter, the Spokane, Wash.-based author of a book about Weaver. "But at
the time, they were just having trouble with law enforcement."
Dallas' 1986 jailbreak only heightened the legend perpetuated by his
friends, that his rugged lifestyle got crossways with a heavy-handed
U.S. government. Dallas hid for nearly a year before he was caught and
sent back to prison. He was charged in the escape, but acquitted by a
jury after he testified he had to break out because the prison guards
threatened his life.
"It's sure an emotional issue, and his release has heightened those
emotions," said Jon Heggen, head of the Fish and Game Department's
enforcement bureau. "There's been a lot of tears shed the last two
weeks."
Dallas' 30-year sentence was cut by eight years for good behavior.
He was convicted of manslaughter in 1982 for shooting the officers, who
had entered his winter camp on the South Fork of the Owyhee River, one
of the West's least-populated regions, to investigate reports of
illegal trapping.
Jim Stevens, a friend of Dallas who was visiting the camp, witnessed
the killings.
According to evidence at the trial, Pogue, who had drawn his own
weapon, was hit first with a shot from Dallas' handgun. Dallas then
shot Elms two times in the chest as the warden emerged from the
trapper's tent, where he'd found poached bobcats.
Dallas then used a rifle to fire one round into each man's head.
The 28-day trial made national headlines, with Dallas claiming the game
wardens were out to get him. A group of women -- who became known as
the "Dallas Cheerleaders" -- gathered daily to support him.
A jury of 10 women and two men acquitted Dallas of murder, finding him
guilty of the lesser charge of voluntary manslaughter instead.
"We remain horrified somebody could have gotten manslaughter for
cruelly killing our people, and then following it up with shots from a
.22 rifle," said former Fish and Game Director Jerry Conley, who
testified at Dallas' sentencing.
But one of Dallas' lawyers, Bill Mauk, still sees Dallas as a victim:
He fired on the officers after his privacy had been violated and after
he was threatened by government agents enforcing game laws he didn't
believe applied to him.
Jury foreman Milo M. Moore, a retired shopkeeper, said Dallas might
have been freed outright if he hadn't used his .22 caliber rifle. Moore
said testimony about Pogue's reputation as a tough-guy lawman
influenced the verdict.
"We felt it was self-defense up to a certain point," Moore said in a
recent interview. "Had he not shot them in the head, it would have been
a different verdict."
Moore said Pogue had come "gunning" for the poacher, and said Pogue was
on trial in some jurors' minds more than Dallas.
Dallas' story inspired a television movie, and writer Jack Olsen
chronicled the crime in a book called "Give a Boy a Gun."
"Claude Dallas," a ballad written by singer-songwriters Ian Tyson and
Tom Russell, and sung by Tyson, romanticizes Dallas' lifestyle and life
on the lam, saying: "It took 18 men and 15 months to finally run Claude
down. In the sage outside of paradise, they drove him to the ground."
Kevin Kempf, the warden at the Idaho Correctional Institution at
Orofino, where Dallas has been since Jan. 15 when he was moved from a
Kansas prison, won't say where Dallas will be released.
"He's prepared," Kempf said. "It doesn't appear he's going to be
leaving our facility without any direction or without a plan."
Dallas did not respond to interview requests from The Associated Press.
tiny dancer
"MrPepper11" <MrPep...@go.com> wrote in message
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> February 5, 2005
> Idaho Killer Claude Dallas to Be Released
> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
>
> OWYHEE COUNTY, Idaho (AP) -- Idaho's most infamous outlaw, Claude
> Dallas, killed two state officers in a remote desert 24 years ago in a
> crime that brought him notoriety as both a callous criminal and a
> modern-day mountain man at odds with the government.
>
> Now a bespectacled 54-year-old, Dallas is to be released from prison
> Sunday after serving nearly 22 years for the execution-style slayings
> of Conley Elms and Bill Pogue, officers for the Idaho Department of
> Fish and Game.
>
I'm shocked he's getting out. I thought for sure he got LWOP for these
execution-style killings.
td
John
"tiny dancer" <tinyd...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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figure........
Cyli
(snipped)
>
>The 28-day trial made national headlines, with Dallas claiming the game
>wardens were out to get him.
Game wardens 'out to get' a poacher. Hmmm. Seems like that's their
job.
Cyli
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GLC1173
>Some compared him to Gordon Kahl, a >tax-evader killed by U.S. marshals
>in North Dakota in 1983; to Randy >Weaver, the protagonist in the 1992
>Ruby Ridge standoff; or even to Timothy >McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber.
Weaver maybe - but the other two aren't even remotely analogous to Claude
Dallas. Weaver and Dallas just wanted to be left alone by government. McVeigh
and Kahl were pursuing their own aggressive ideological wars.
>"Those cases always end up getting >connected after the fact," said Jess
>Walter, the Spokane, Wash.-based >author of a book about Weaver. "But at
>the time, they were just having trouble >with law enforcement."
Hardly! What trouble with police was McVeigh having up until the moment he
bombed that building?
>But one of Dallas' lawyers, Bill Mauk, still >sees Dallas as a victim:
>He fired on the officers after his privacy >had been violated and after
>he was threatened by government agents >enforcing game laws he didn't
>believe applied to him.
So unlike Kahl and particularly McVeigh.
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Chas
> Game wardens 'out to get' a poacher. Hmmm. Seems like that's their
> job.
They wanted to arrest him for a minor regulatory infraction, take him 100
miles to jail and abandon his camp- all the animals and equipment- like
burning down your house for shoplifting groceries.
They were so far out in the boonies that they didn't even quite know if they
were still in their jurisdiction- it is one of the most desolate places in
the US, and Dallas had gone there to get away from 'it all'- light trapping
and living off the land. He wasn't a criminal until they came to bother him.
His primary mistake was the 'trapper shot'- they were 75 or 100 miles from
any medical assistance, ims- most of a day's drive offroad, and he finished
them off like animals. Other than that, he would have been found
'not-guilty' as a matter of self-defense (ims).
Chas
Me
"Chas" <chasclem...@comcast.net> wrote:
> They were so far out in the boonies that they didn't even quite know if they
> were still in their jurisdiction-
This is just plain BS. They were inside the State of Idaho, and Idaho
F&G Enforcement, has jurisdiction ANYWHERE inside the State, except on
Secure Federal Reserves. What a dumbass statement.....
Me
Me
"tiny dancer" <tinyd...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> I'm shocked he's getting out. I thought for sure he got LWOP for these
> execution-style killings.
>
> td
He was convicted before they ever thought of LWOP, Dufuss......
Me
soli1...@juno.com
cold-bloodedly _EXECUTED_ them, I'm surprised they convicted him for
such a lesser charge. "Manslaughter" is usually applied when the
defendant was either not aware of the magnitude of his actions, or
when it was an accident (like a death due to an auto accident).
Dallas is a serious creep -- has absolutely no regard for any game laws
or laws against killing endangered species -- just wanted to get his
trophies, and was _very_ willing to kill anyone who got in the way of
his illegal hunting/trapping.
GLC1173
>Dallas is a serious creep -- has >absolutely no regard for any game laws
>or laws against killing endangered >species -- just wanted to get his
>trophies, and was _very_ willing to kill >anyone who got in the way of
>his illegal hunting/trapping.
"Serious creep?" Get real! You make him sound worse than a serial rapist -
when in fact all he wanted was to be left alone.
Tom Beno
Claude Dallas: Timeline
Gannett News Service
2/5/2005 11:30 pm
March 11, 1950: Claude Lafayette Dallas, Jr., is born in Winchester, Va. , the
second of seven children.
1958: Dallas begins trapping at age 8 in the upper peninsula of Michigan.
Selling furs helps the family's struggling dairy farm.
1959: Nine-year-old Dallas gets his first gun, a 16-gauge shotgun. He begins
hunting deer at 11. His father teaches his sons how to poach.
1968: Beguiled by the novels of Zane Grey, Louis L'Amour and Jack London,
Dallas leaves home to discover the West. He hires on as a ranch hand and later
as an apprentice buckaroo at the Alvord Ranch near Steens Mountain in Oregon.
He knows little about ranch work but impresses locals with his willingness to
work.
Fall 1970: After drifting from job to job, Dallas rides his horse into Paradise
Hill, Nev., and finds work at the Quarter Circle A Ranch. He's accepted and
well liked for his politeness and work ethic but puts some people off with his
cruelty to animals. He spends hours drawing and shooting his pistol at targets.
Fall 1973: FBI agents and a deputy sheriff visit a cowboy camp where Dallas is
staying in Elko County and arrest him for dodging the draft in Ohio. In early
1974, he returns to Oregon, saying the case was dismissed on technicalities. At
the end of the summer, he returns to Paradise Hill.
1975: Dallas quits ranch work to concentrate on trapping and poaching, killing
more game than he keeps. He is almost always armed.
Spring 1980: Dallas floats Idaho's Owyhee River. An isolated Owyhee County spot
called Bull Camp strikes him as a good place to spend a winter trapping. In
December, he moves his gear there.
New Year's Eve 1980: Eddy Carlin of the 45 Ranch visits Dallas' camp, which is
on the 45's winter range, and sees evidence of poaching. A trapper himself,
Carlin tells Dallas Fish and Game officers are likely to check him. A few days
later, Carlin calls Idaho Fish & Game Officer Bill Pogue.
Jan. 5, 1981: Pogue and Officer Conley Elms pay a call on Dallas at Bull Camp.
When they confront Dallas over his illegal carcasses and hides, Dallas shoots
and kills them.
Jan. 7, 1981: Elms' body is found in the South Fork of the Owyhee River. Dallas
remains at large despite a nationwide manhunt, with a reward of up to $20,000
for information leading to his arrest.
April 18, 1982: An informant's tip leads officers to Paradise Hill, where
Dallas is cornered in a friend's mobile home. He tries to flee but is captured
after a short gunbattle. He is charged with first-degree murder.
Sept. 15, 1982: Dallas' trial begins in Caldwell. Dallas reveals the Nevada
location where he buried Pogue's body, which is found in early October.
Oct. 20, 1982: Rejecting the murder charges, the jury finds Dallas guilty of
two counts of voluntary manslaughter and using a firearm to commit a felony.
Some jurors later say they believed Dallas was threatened by Pogue, but they
couldn't get past his shooting both men in the head.
Jan. 4, 1983: Calling the killings "totally unjustified," 3rd District Judge
Edward Lodge sentences Dallas to 30 years - 10 years for each of the shootings
plus 10 years on the gun charge. That night, someone shoots Lodge's German
shepherd and throws it on his lawn.
March 30, 1986: Dallas escapes by cutting a hole in the fence at the Idaho
State Penitentiary. He's captured without incident March 8, 1987, at a store in
Riverside, Calif. He later says he escaped because his life was in danger from
guards.
Sept. 4, 1987: A jury agrees with Dallas' claim and acquits him of escape
charges. He is moved to a prison in Nebraska and later to New Mexico. In 1989,
he is moved to a prison in Kansas.
January 1993: The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals rejects Dallas' appeal to
have his manslaughter conviction overturned.
April 2001: Dallas becomes eligible for parole but tells Idaho parole
commissioners he'd rather wait until his sentence is complete than accept the
conditions of parole.
Feb. 6, 2005: Dallas is scheduled to be released at an undisclosed Idaho
location.
http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/html/2005/02/05/91537.php?sps=rgj.com&sch=LocalNews&sp1=rgj&sp2=News&sp3=Local+News&sp5=RGJ.com&sp6=news&sp7=local_news
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Claude Dallas: Q & A
Gannett News Service
2/5/2005 11:27 pm
* Claude Dallas was sentenced to 30 years in prison. Why is he getting out
after only 22 years? Idaho cut several years off his sentence because of "good
time," a policy that was dropped in 1986. But when Dallas was sentenced in
1983, the system automatically credited Dallas 120 days of "good time" for each
year of his sentence, taking a total of 3,600 days off his prison term. Dallas
lost 365 days of "good time" when he escaped from prison in 1986.
* What happened to Dallas for escaping in 1986? Besides losing a year of "good
time," nothing. He did have to serve a year in prison for the time he missed
while a fugitive. A jury acquitted him on an escape charge after he told them
his life was in danger from Idaho State Penitentiary guards who he said wanted
revenge for the deaths of Conley Elms and Bill Pogue. After he was recaptured,
Dallas was moved to prisons out of state - first in Nebraska, then New Mexico
and finally Kansas.
* Was Dallas ever in trouble in prison? For the most part, Dallas was
well-behaved, according to Idaho Department of Correction reports, but he
balked at taking mandatory drug tests when he was incarcerated in Kansas. He
was disciplined 14 times for refusing to take the tests and placed in
"detention" - in a solitary cell with only one hour of exercise a day - as
punishment. But he did not lose any "good time" for these infractions.
* What will happen when Dallas is released? His sentence will be completed
today, and he will be released from an undisclosed Idaho Department of
Correction facility. The time and place of release are not being disclosed for
security reasons. Dallas will be given a "gold seal," which means he has served
all his time and has most of his civil rights restored, such as the right to
vote. He has, however, lost the right to bear arms.
* Did Dallas have a job in prison? Dallas earned $1.05 a day in the print shop
at for the Kansas Department of Corrections in Hutchinson. He worked on the
loading dock and later operated the printing press.
* Can Dallas legally carry guns, now that he has completed his prison sentence?
No. Federal law restricts convicted felons from having firearms, unless state
law restores that right - and Idaho does not for a voluntary manslaughter
conviction. If Dallas is caught with a gun, he could be sent back to prison for
up to 10 years. The only way he would be allowed to legally carry or own guns
would be if he received a pardon from the governor of Idaho.
* Can Dallas carry knives or other weapons? Idaho law doesn't allow Dallas to
possess any firearms at all, including a muzzleloader. It also appears to
restrict him from possessing a bow and arrow or crossbow since the Idaho
statute's definition of "firearm" includes "any weapon from which a shot,
projectile, or other object may be discharged by force of combustion,
explosive, gas, or mechanical means." The statute doesn't address knives.
* Can Dallas legally hunt, trap, and fish in Idaho? He can trap and fish, as
long as he buys the appropriate licenses. He could get a hunting license, but
because he won't be able to legally use a gun or bow and arrow, legal hunting
would be difficult.
* What would happen if Dallas is caught poaching? In Idaho, Nevada and many
other states, most fish and game violations are misdemeanors, generally
resolved with a ticket. However, violators can be arrested, depending on the
circumstances.
"We don't want to give the impression we are out to get him (Dallas) or keeping
tabs on him, because we aren't," said John Heggen, chief of enforcement for
Idaho Fish and Game. "But we will also take the same precautions we would when
dealing with anyone we knew was convicted of such a serious felony."
* There are several books and a TV movie about Dallas. Where can I get one? The
1986 made-for-TV movie, "The Manhunt for Claude Dallas," is available from
Amazon.com on VHS. Two major books are still available. "Outlaw: The True Story
of Claude Dallas" by Jeff Long and "Give a Boy a Gun: A True Story of Law and
Disorder in the American West" by Jack Olsen.
http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/html/2005/02/05/91536.php?sps=rgj.com&sch=LocalNews&sp1=rgj&sp2=News&sp3=Local+News&sp5=RGJ.com&sp6=news&sp7=local_news
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Infamous outlaw Dallas released from prison after serving 22 years
By John Miller - ASSOCIATED PRESS
10:23 a.m. February 6, 2005
BOISE, Idaho - One of Idaho's most infamous outlaws, Claude Dallas, was
released from prison Sunday morning after serving 22 years for the
execution-style slayings of two state officers in 1981.
Dallas, 54, gained notoriety as both a callous criminal and a modern-day
mountain man at odds with the government. He was released Sunday after his
30-year term was cut by eight years for good behavior.
Dallas wore a light blue shirt, prison-issue jeans and a denim jacket as he
walked out of the Idaho Correctional Institution in Orofino at 4:55 a.m., said
Teresa Jones, an Idaho Department of Correction spokeswoman.
"He doesn't want to talk to the media or make a big deal out of his release,"
said Kevin Kempf, the prison warden. "He just wants to go live his life."
Dallas was picked up by a family member.
He was convicted of manslaughter in 1982 for the shooting deaths of Conley Elms
and Bill Pogue, officers for the Idaho Department of Fish and Game who were
investigating reports of bobcat poaching by Dallas on Jan. 5, 1981 in remote
southwestern Idaho's Owyhee County.
According to evidence at the trial, Pogue, who had drawn his own weapon, was
hit first with a shot from Dallas' .357 handgun. Dallas shot Elms two times in
the chest, then used a rifle to fire one round into each man's head. He was on
the run for more than a year before being captured in northern Nevada.
His 28-day trial made national headlines. He was convicted of manslaughter, not
murder, and Dallas' claims that the game wardens were out to get him helped
turn him into an anti-government folk hero for some - a reputation heightened
by a 1986 jailbreak.
Dallas hid for nearly a year before he was caught in Riverside, Calif., and
sent back to prison. He was charged in the escape, but acquitted by a jury
after he testified he had to break out because prison guards threatened his
life.
Dallas, whose life has been the subject of a song, a television movie and at
least two books, declined requests to be interviewed.
Family members including his brother, William Dallas, and his 85-year-old
mother, Jennie Dallas, who live in Charlotte, N.C., also didn't return phone
calls.
Bill Mauk, one of Dallas' lawyers at the 1982 trial, said he's exchanged
letters once a year with his former client. After his release, Dallas will
likely try to avoid controversy and live quietly outside the public spotlight,
Mauk said last week.
"He doesn't see himself as a figure in that grander landscape in which he's
been painted," Mauk said. "He's been in a very isolated venue for last 22
years. He doesn't read his press clippings. He doesn't read the books."
Fish and Game officers in Idaho, some of whom worked with Pogue and Elms at the
time of the killings, said they opted to observe Sunday not as "Claude Dallas'
big release," but as a date to remember the slayings of their colleagues that
many in the department still believe should have been punished with a murder
conviction.
On the night after the killings, then-Fish and Game Director Jerry Conley said
he sat with Elm's wife, Sheri, awaiting word on the fate of her husband.
"I sat in the office late into the evening and into the early morning with
Sheri Elms trying to comfort her," Conley said. "It convinced me that Dallas
was a long way from being a nice guy. We clearly have strong feelings about
Claude Dallas."
Members of the victims' families declined to be interviewed.
The strong feelings about Dallas that linger more than two decades after the
crimes convinced state prison officials to keep the time of day and exact
location of their most prominent inmate's release shielded from the public.
Kempf, the warden, said his only consideration was to make sure Dallas left the
facility located near the Clearwater River safely.
Dallas was already awake when prison officials arrived at his cell at 4:30 a.m.
to escort him to the lobby, Kempf said. He skipped breakfast, and it took just
25 minutes for Dallas to complete processing, then exchange the yellow prison
uniform of inmate No. 18834 for the blue jeans, shirt and jacket in which he
walked out the doors.
Dallas shook the warden's hand and climbed into a rental car driven by a family
member. His belongings included an Idaho identification card, two checks with
savings from a job in a prison print shop - and a document called a "gold
seal," showing he's served his sentence and owes nothing more to the state of
Idaho.
"We wanted to make it as much of a nonevent as possible," Kempf said.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20050206-1023-wst-idahooutlaw.html
tiny dancer
"GLC1173" <glc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Soli13taire wrote:
> >Dallas is a serious creep -- has >absolutely no regard for any game laws
> >or laws against killing endangered >species -- just wanted to get his
> >trophies, and was _very_ willing to kill >anyone who got in the way of
> >his illegal hunting/trapping.
>
> "Serious creep?" Get real! You make him sound worse than a serial
rapist -
> when in fact all he wanted was to be left alone.
He killed two 'state officers' doing their jobs.
td
GLC1173
>> "Serious creep?" Get real! You >>make him sound worse than a serial
>>rapist - when in fact all he wanted was >>to be left alone.
and replied:
>He killed two 'state officers' doing their >jobs.
Get real. Dallas hardly initiated the confrontation. He wasn't like that
Marine in Kalifornia who went into town to seek out officers to kill. Instead,
Dallas just wanted to be left alone. Why else but understanding that do you
think got 12 jurors to agree to just manslaughter for him?
GLC1173
>1975: Dallas quits ranch work to >concentrate on trapping and poaching,
>killing more game than he keeps. He is >almost always armed.
So what? Is anyone in rural Idaho - particularly when hunting - <I>not</i>
"almost always armed?"
I live in North Carolina. The reality here is that people in rural areas in
this state - even elderly women cutting their lawns - are usually armed. One
of my neighbors' 80-something mother cut her own rural lawn on a riding mower -
but always carried a gun when doing it.
tiny dancer
> Tiny Dancer quoted me:
> >> "Serious creep?" Get real! You >>make him sound worse than a
serial
> >>rapist - when in fact all he wanted was >>to be left alone.
>
> and replied:
> >He killed two 'state officers' doing their >jobs.
>
> Get real. Dallas hardly initiated the confrontation. He wasn't like
that
> Marine in Kalifornia who went into town to seek out officers to kill.
Instead,
> Dallas just wanted to be left alone. Why else but understanding that do
you
> think got 12 jurors to agree to just manslaughter for him?
Tell that to Leonard Peltier.
td
tiny dancer
> Tom quoted Gannett News Service:
> >1975: Dallas quits ranch work to >concentrate on trapping and poaching,
> >killing more game than he keeps. He is >almost always armed.
>
> So what? Is anyone in rural Idaho - particularly when hunting -
<I>not</i>
> "almost always armed?"
> I live in North Carolina. The reality here is that people in rural
areas in
> this state - even elderly women cutting their lawns - are usually armed.
One
> of my neighbors' 80-something mother cut her own rural lawn on a riding
mower -
> but always carried a gun when doing it.
Did she happen to shoot any fish and game officers?
td
GLC1173
>Tell that to Leonard Peltier.
Face it. Dallas - or his lawyer - managed to convince 12 jurors
<I>unanimously</i> to give him manslaughter. That means that no juror held out
for a murder conviction. Tells you a lot about how people in the area where it
happened saw it.
Peltier wasn't a guy just wanting to be left alone by the government. His
whole line - and that of his sympathizers ever since - is that he was part of
an organization (American Indian Movement) seeking overthrow of Washington's
rule over mainly-Indian areas. As such, he had nothing in common with Dallas.
GLC1173
>>>1975: Dallas quits ranch work to >>>concentrate on trapping and poaching,
>>>killing more game than he keeps. He >>>is almost always armed.
quoted me:
>> So what? Is anyone in rural Idaho - >>particularly when hunting - not
>> "almost always armed?"
>> I live in North Carolina. The reality >>here is that people in rural
areas in
>> this state - even elderly women cutting >>their lawns - are usually armed.
>>One of my neighbors' 80-something >>mother cut her own rural lawn on a
>>riding mower - but always carried a gun >>when doing it.
and replied:
>Did she happen to shoot any fish and >game officers?
We really don't know a damn thing about how the incident with Dallas
happened. It sure didn't take place in front of a video camera mounted inside
a patrol car's windshield (as many patrol cars now have). For that reason, we
don't even know if Dallas - or one of the game wardens - tried to provoke the
other into a fight.
Considering that the jury <I>unanimously</i> had to vote to give Dallas
manslaughter instead of murder, it's obvious that the jurors were very
skeptical of the "official" version of what happened.
Chas
>> They were so far out in the boonies that they didn't even quite know if
>> they
>> were still in their jurisdiction-
> This is just plain BS. They were inside the State of Idaho,
No; that was the question- whether or not they were still in Idaho.
It's not like they have a big black border line or anything.
Chas
Me
"Chas" <chasclem...@comcast.net> wrote:
> No; that was the question- whether or not they were still in Idaho.
> It's not like they have a big black border line or anything.
>
> Chas
No, lookup where it all happened, Dufuss. These two "Officers"
knew exactly where they were and where the nearest State Boarder was....
Me who also "Knows" that country...............
Chas
>> No; that was the question- whether or not they were still in Idaho.
>> It's not like they have a big black border line or anything.
> knew exactly where they were and where the nearest State Boarder was....
And they were interviewed when, jagoff?
> Me who also "Knows" that country...............
Then you should be familiar with the story.
Chas
Dave Wissenbach
The trail from the mouth of Sheep Creek in Idaho on the Middle Fork of the
Boise River to the Trinity Mountains was renamed the Bill Pogue memorial
trail several years ago.
This is a seldom-used trail in a roadless area where you'll find much
wildlife. On the day I hiked the lower part of the trail, many years ago, I
saw a black bear out of the corner of my eye before he saw me and was amused
to see him peeking out from behind a rock, confident I didn't know where he
was.
I was also scared out of my wits by a rattlesnake on the trail on the way
back.
You can find information about this trail in Margaret Fuller's excellent
book, trails of Western Idaho.
Regards,
Dave Wissenbach