JOHN SHEFFIELD OF ORANGE PARK FLORIDA, THE MAN WHO ADMITTED TO WALKING AND TALKING SUZY GONZALES THROUGH HER SUICIDE, DEFENDS AND VISITS IN PRISON A MAN NAMED DARREN DORSEY WHO TRIED TO KILL A 5 YEAR OLD CHILD.
Flushing A. Sheffield
> Good food, good people, long dang drive.
> I'll need drugs for this. Just kidding, just coffee.
>
> I'd like to see my sister and the whole
> dysfunctional crew, but I'm not really
> welcome anymore. Why? I defended a
> suicidal person. looong story.
>
> Happy Trails all.
>
> river
Long story, you say? Here, asshole, let me fill in the blanks for
those who are wondering about this. You know what those blanks are,
don't you? Those are the blanks that you are too afraid to let
everyone else know about.
Now, who is that person you are defending? His name is Darren Dorsey.
He tried to kill his 5 year old son. He was later found guilty of
"attempted murder" and "aggravated child abuse". Now you go visit the
bastard in jail.
Full story on John Sheffield's friend (attempted child killer Darren
Dorsey) is below:
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Father sentenced after bid to kill son
By BRIDGET MURPHY
The Times-Union,
Each time Alicia Dorsey gets in her Dodge Durango and drives her son
Cameron somewhere, she's ready for the 6-year-old's questions to start
all over again.
"Do you drive safe, Mommy?"
"Why did my daddy drive so fast off the dock?"
"Mommy, why did Daddy try to kill me?"
The boy's father, Darren Dorsey, pleaded guilty Tuesday to attempted
murder and aggravated child abuse. It was nearly seven months after he
and the boy survived a murder-suicide attempt. The boy's mother said
the questions about what happened continue and, while he sees a
counselor, Cameron still suffers from anxiety and nightmares.
The 39-year-old father drove his car off the end of a Doctors Lake
dock in November, trying to kill himself and his child, according to
police reports. Both survived after a bystander jumped in the water
and plucked the crying kindergartner from his booster seat and Dorsey
climbed out the sunroof.
Darren Dorsey told the Times-Union in a jailhouse interview a day
later that he became depressed about his recent separation from his
wife and legal battles involving visitation with a son from an earlier
relationship that were bankrupting his family. The man, who was a
reading teacher at Orange Park Junior High, had a drug problem
involving the anti-anxiety drug Xanax and the anti-depressant drug
Prozac, his wife said in a petition for a protective order to keep him
away from the boy after the incident.
Alicia Dorsey now is busy rebuilding her family's lives without him,
she said Wednesday morning while preparing to head to the Clay County
courthouse to sign papers that will make her divorce from Darren
Dorsey final.
The 36-year-old woman was in court Tuesday and heard the man's apology
at the sentencing, but she said she has no regrets about him going to
prison and wishes he had received a stiffer sentence. Darren Dorsey
will serve five years in state prison before two years of house arrest
and five years of probation, according to authorities.
The man's mental health problems were a mitigating factor in the
sentence, Assistant State Attorney Rebecca Zima said Wednesday.
"My thoughts are, there are no excuses," Alicia Dorsey said Wednesday.
"The drugs did not pull him into the water. Alcohol did not pull him
into the water. Selfishness made him do it."
By the time Darren Dorsey is finished serving his sentence, Cameron
could be nearly 17. Between now and then, Alicia Dorsey expects he'll
ask a lot more questions.
But she said Wednesday she knows the toughest questions her son will
ask will come years later, when he has to decide as an adult whether
to let the father who tried to kill him back into his life.
bridget.murphyjacksonville.com, (904) 359-4161
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Now go eat shit, Gonzales killer.
scoobydoo
attempted murder suicide is not equal to murder nor attempted.
People suck and it is not exactly unheard of for a person to kill
their child as part of their plan to CTB. Society seems to be coming
around to showing some level of understanding with a woman who suffers
PND but with a guy he is simply scum. This in no way says it is a good
thing nor that I agree with his choice, heck I've come across people
in here who have perhaps had the same idea in their mind for a very
short time but that it was even in there to begin with.
Social workers and doctors visit this type of person everyday, should
we condemn them too? All I get from this is that a guy in here went to
help support a suicidal person, it makes no mention of anyone else he
may see, just focuses on one in particular which only serves to create
hatred towards a person based on a very skewed point of view with many
other elements left out.
Had he been there just because he got off on the guys sons death and
hoped to encourage him to do the same again it would be a different
matter but this is simply not the case.
He may well be a bastard but this does not prove anything. He may also
be someone who wants to spend spare time helping those who are
suicidal which is not bad and if it is I guess we should all log off
from this site.
mario707707
He took his son to his suicide because he didn't
want to leave his son alone in this cruel world.
That's just the facts. He was wrong to do it, but
he did it out of LOVE, believe it or not.
river
mario707707
checkers or chess?
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"mario707707" <mario...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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checkers or chess?
i don't play ... games
scoobydoo
This I can understand and it is not what the original poster was
making it out to be. It at least makes more sense.
mario707707
Thanks scoob. If you repy to things like this, it would
be kind of you to edit the subject.
river
scoobydoo
No idea how to do that, I'm pretty new to Google groups.
Flushing A. Sheffield
You psychopath. Your friend, Darren Dorsey, the dude who you now go to
visit in prison, was a drug addict and an alcohol abuser who
premeditated this attempt at murdering his own son. He didn't do it
out of love. He did it because he was a selfish bastard who decided
that if he could not have his son, then no one else could either. So
the freak drove off a boat ramp at 80 MPH with his 5 year old son
strapped in a car booster seat. The car cartwheeled into the water.
That 5 year old boy could be heard screaming in terror from a distance
of about 180 feet from shore. If it had not been for a brave female
bystander who jumped in the water to rescue this boy, he would be
dead. Darren Dorsey made no attempt to save his son, and climbed out
the sunroof of the car with help from some construction workers.
Darren Dorsey is now serving 10 years in jail.
Pretty fucked up friends you have, John. And it's pretty fucked up how
you will try to justify and defend what Darren Dorsey did as being an
act of love. You are truly one sick mother fucking piece of shit. But
it doesn't surprise me you would defend a drugged out cretin like
Darren Dorsey, since you were the one who admitted on this group to
walking and talking Susanne Gonzales through her suicide.
More on John Sheffield's friend, Darren Dorsey, is below:
-----------------------------------------------------------
Deputies: Father In Jail, Boy Safe After Failed Murder-Suicide
POSTED: 6:01 pm EST November 22, 2005
UPDATED: 6:04 pm EST November 22, 2005
ORANGE PARK, Fla. -- A 5-year-old boy is safe after being rescued from
a
car sinking into Doctors Lake Monday afternoon. The boy's his father
is
in jail, accused of intentionally driving into the lake with his son
strapped in the back seat.
Clay County investigators said Darren Dorsey was driving at least 80
mph
down the Lake Shore boat ramp and into the water. The car cartwheeled,
then sank about 180 feet from shore.
Investigators said that Dorsey didn't make any attempt to avoid
hitting
the water or rescue his son.
A woman in the area saw the car going under, dove in, freed Cameron
Dorsey from his car seat and swam with him back to shore.
"I ran down to the end of the dock and I heard a child crying and I
just
jumped in," Melissa Hawkinson told Channel 4. "I was sticking my arm
in
and unlocking the back door and pulling the child out and he was
crying
and extremely terrified."
Construction workers, who also happened to be nearby, pulled the
father
out through the vehicle's sunroof.
"It has some very suspicious circumstances, and, at this point in the
investigation, the facts lead us to believe that this was a failed
murder-suicide attempt," Clay County Sheriff's Office Maj. Craig
Aldrich.
Investigators charged Dorsey, a teacher at Orange Park Junior High
School, with attempted murder and aggravated child abuse.
Investigators said Dorsey left his school early, saying his son had a
doctor's appointment, then went to pick up the boy from Patterson
Elementary. He told deputies he went to his apartment, where
he "finalized his plan" to kill himself and his son.
Clay County investigators said Dorsey put the boy into his 2002
Volkswagen Jetta and drove into the lake.
Hawkinson said she wouldn't normally be in that area in the afternoon.
"It was definitely divine intervention that I was even there at that
time," Hawkinson said.
Dorsey made his first appearance in Clay County Court Tuesday morning
wearing a special vest to prevent him harming himself. He was ordered
held on $1 million bond. Arraignment is scheduled for Dec. 7.
Dorsey's wife, Alicia, told Channel 4 she was relieved that bond was
set
so high.
"I fear for my son immensely if he was to get out," Alicia Dorsey said
Tuesday. "I think (Darren Dorsey) needs some mental counseling. I
don't
think he needs to be in society right now."
Alicia Dorsey said she knew her husband was depressed over their
separation and impending divorce, but did not suspect he was capable
of
hurting himself or their child.
"To take our child and to want to do what he did with our child, I
cannot fathom," Alicia Dorsey said.
She said Cameron only had a few cuts to his head and face, and went
home
with his mother Tuesday night.
"He's saying that he doesn't want to be in an accident again, he
doesn't
want to be in water again," Dorsey said. "He's acting like I've never
seen him act before."
Flushing A. Sheffield
>
> read more »
.
Sweetness
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On Nov 23, 2:03 pm, mario707707 <mario707...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good food, good people, long dang drive.
> I'll need drugs for this. Just kidding, just coffee.
>
> I'd like to see my sister and the whole
> dysfunctional crew, but I'm not really
> welcome anymore. Why? I defended a
> suicidal person. looong story.
>
> Happy Trails all.
>
> river
Long story, you say? Here, asshole, let me fill in the blanks for
those who are wondering about this. You know what those blanks are,
don't you? Those are the blanks that you are too afraid to let
everyone else know about.
Now, who is that person you are defending? His name is Darren Dorsey.
He tried to kill his 5 year old son. He was later found guilty of
"attempted murder" and "aggravated child abuse". Now you go visit the
bastard in jail.
Full story on John Sheffield's friend (attempted child killer Darren
Dorsey) is below:
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Father sentenced after bid to kill son
By BRIDGET MURPHY
The Times-Union,
Each time Alicia Dorsey gets in her Dodge Durango and drives her son [].
~~
(the childs personal info snipped).
Patrick, please. The next time you post this, and repeatedly repost it, will
you please remove this innocent and under age childs personal name and info.
This child has rights, including rights to privacy, and it's not your right
ta take those rights away, no matter wot Bridget Murphy writes/says/does.
Please. Stop posting the name of this innocent child. Thanks.
~~
mario707707
> "Flushing A. Sheffield" <chickitych...@hushmail.com> wrote in messagenews:63be6fc8-def5-4844...@k9g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
I do appreciate it.
Sweetness
I do appreciate it.
~~
Eh.. I dunno you any better than I know Patrick.
I hope that the childs father is getting the help he needs.
I hope that the childs mother is doing wot she can ta stop this childs name
and photo from being published any more than it has already. If she's not
fighting for his rights, then she's not much of a mom, is she ?
But....I didn't post that request as a way ta defend anyone other than the
child.
I want you ta be straight about that in yer head, ok, River ?
You, Patrick and others go on and on and on and on and on about the 'law'.
Well, I dunno about in yer country, but in this country, the country in
which Patrick claims ta live... even a child who's been convicted of a crime
has the right ta some form of privacy, which would mean that this innocent
child who has done no harm ta anyone.. deserves better than wot Patrick is
now doing. Perhaps he will see that wot he's done is not only morally wrong,
but also legally wrong. Or, perhaps he'll dig up summore dead people and
completely innocent children ta use in ya'lls Usenet flamewar. Who knows.
~~
mario707707
> "mario707707" <mario707...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Of course you're right; we don't know each other.
I would publish a lot of things, right now, except
that it would get all twisted around by others and it
would only hurt the child more. There's a lot more
to this story and if I put it here it would only
impact the child negatively. I can't do that.
It's sad that things are coming to this, using innocent
children in flame wars.
If you knew the story behind the story, it wouldn't
change what happened, but you know how when you read
headlines they can't tell the whole truth? That's what's
happened here.
river
Flushing A. Sheffield
> "Flushing A. Sheffield" <chickitych...@hushmail.com> wrote in messagenews:63be6fc8-def5-4844...@k9g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
Stop your pathetic spin doctoring, Mary. No one buys your BS. And I
know you are just trying to manipulate me and the crowd. But for
anyone else who gives a damn: What happened to that 5 year old boy was
horrible and heart breaking. What happened to Darren Dorsey after the
fact was not punishment enough. Also, this story has been in the media
with full names attached for several years now and no one (except for
you now, coincidentally!) has complained about it before. The wife of
Darren Dorsey (Alicia Dorsey) even gave interviews to the media. It
was also on TV in John's area. It could had become international news,
because it was so serious and upsetting. It's also searchable via
Google.com.
It is utterly twisted how John Sheffield is defending this man (Darren
Dorsey) who attempted to kill his 5 year old son and then also saying
that what Darren Dorsey did to his 5 year old son was an act of love.
Good God... And no one here speaks out about this, because it would go
against the general pro-suicide consensus of this group. Are you guys
flippin' nuts?
Mary, I think at this point you will say and do anything to try and
save face and try to make yourself look good again, now that you know
this latest bit of twisted psychopathic debauchery by your friend,
John Sheffield. "Tell me who your friends are, and I will tell you who
you are..." He's your friend, Mary, not mine. You defend him. You
cover up for him. That's the way I see it. But I also did see you at
least a tiny bit trying to distance yourself from John in this thread.
Probably a wise idea considering!
There is some real true evil present on this group. And I believe you
are a part of it. I believe you reek.
Flushing A. Sheffield
>
> * Where is the article that states that what happened was a carefully
> thought out murder premeditated murder plot by a sane, sober and drug
> free man?
Drugs are no God damned excuse for this, Vale. He did it. It was a
premeditated act. You know it, so do I. But you won't dare admit that,
because you are trying to cover up for your good buddy, JOHN
SHEFFIELD, the sick bastard who also offered to send you illegally
obtained drugs in an illegal manner so you could KILL YOURSELF with
them.
Hello?! Is their anyone home in Vale's head? Or has Vale's head been
totally filled with John Sheffield's sick and twisted thought
processes? Ask John whose idea it was to play that James Taylor song
(Fire And Rain) at Suzy's memorial. You know, to this day I can't
listen to that fucking song without wanting to throw up.
Sweetness
~~
I don't believe that you "think" at all, Patrick.
I do believe that you are seriously, insanely delusional tho, and that you
have absolutely no self-control wotsoever.
You also seem ta be missing a moral compass.
Do you understand that you could have eeeeeasily posted all of this,
informed us of all of this, without ever posting this childs name ? Are you
able ta wrap yer head around that fact ? Or are you too far gone for that
sort of rational thinking ?
I couldn't give a flyin' fuck wot you have ta say about River or this childs
parents, as long as you keep the childs name out of it, and I have no
problem thanking you for replying ta me without using his name. So thank
you.
A bit of free advice, Patrick ? Try looking up the word "friend", before
attempting ta apply it ta me er mine.. okay ?
M
Why are you cross-posting your ravings all over the net? Are you
trying to convince the whole world that you are psychotic? If that is
your goal, you are succeeding.
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"M" <mc...@pitt.edu> wrote in message
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ask river the same question
M
Matthew 25:36 " I was in prison and you came to visit me."
Flushing A. Sheffield
> "Flushing A. Sheffield" <chickitych...@hushmail.com> wrote in messagenews:679d884c-758c-499d...@p28g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
You have just described yourself to a T, old Mary sweetness.
> You also seem ta be missing a moral compass.
You seem like you are trying to manipulate me and the group again.
Powerless weak people usually try do that a lot. It's the only way
they can defend themselves or fight back. Because they are just so
physically weak and puny and afraid to do anything but manipulate
others. But they always end up just pissing people off with their
pathetic attempts at manipulation. And what happens is they end up
utterly alone with only their fears and insecurities for company. So,
how does it feel, sweetness? Oh wait, you still have the cat and the
dog. So things have not gone completely kaput yet.
> Do you understand that you could have eeeeeasily posted all of this,
> informed us of all of this, without ever posting this childs name ? Are you
> able ta wrap yer head around that fact ? Or are you too far gone for that
> sort of rational thinking ?
I never created those news articles. I just copied the text. I have
done no wrong whatsoever. And you are only trying to manipulate me and
the group. I know what you are doing. You fail.
> I couldn't give a flyin' fuck wot you have ta say about River or this childs
> parents, as long as you keep the childs name out of it, and I have no
> problem thanking you for replying ta me without using his name. So thank
> you.
More pathetic manipulation by Sweetness. Go to Google.com. Type in the
father's name in quotes. About 5 hits down, not only will you see a
pic of the dad, you'll see the son, as well. My point is that
information has been posted on the web by the media, not me. It's been
up for years and it's now a matter of public record. And no one here
has ever bitched about it before. So don't get pissy with me, Mary old
lady. Bitch at the media. But we know you are not pissed off about
anything at all anyway. You are just trying to manipulate me and the
group again, that's all. It's a game you like to play. But again, you
fail.
> A bit of free advice, Patrick ? Try looking up the word "friend", before
> attempting ta apply it ta me er mine.. okay ?
What's the matter, are you afraid of being known as a friend of John
Sheffield? Be proud of your friends, Mary. Be proud of John, the man
who said that Darren Dorsey's attempt at killing his 5 year old son
was done out of "love" via a car crash/drowning incident.
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M
<chickitych...@hushmail.com> wrote:
> What's the matter, are you afraid of being known as a friend of John
> Sheffield? Be proud of your friends, Mary. Be proud of John, the man
> who said that Darren Dorsey's attempt at killing his 5 year old son
> was done out of "love" via a car crash/drowning incident.
Why would she be afraid of that? It's not like Sheffield is a hateful
troll such as yourself. This is Usenet - if you make yourself a
troll, that is all that matters here. Really, troll. Believe it.
If you cared about any of the people you present as victims, you would
stop cross posting places where you will only make more enemies. You
repeatedly profane the people you present as victims.
Mick
Flushing A. Sheffield
>
> Why would she be afraid of that? It's not like Sheffield is a hateful
> troll such as yourself.
I don't hate anyone. But I hate what John did.
Troll? I understand that's your department.
M
Not me. I stay in one newsgroup. Before you invaded it, I wasn't
involved in this. You don't like me? Don't rant in the newsgroup I
hang in - the group doesn't have anything to do with your rants
anyhow.
I'm just a person who, unlike you, can sympathise with some one like
Suzy Gonzales.
You, on the other hand, are someone who wants to poop her name all
over the place with your little psycho rants. There are a lot of
reasons why people don't like that. Respect for Suzy is one of
them.
Mick
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Mick
hi
Flushing A. Sheffield
> On Nov 23, 11:26 pm, "Flushing A. Sheffield"
>
> <chickitych...@hushmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 24, 4:16 am, M <m...@pitt.edu> wrote:
>
> > > Why would she be afraid of that? It's not like Sheffield is a hateful
> > > troll such as yourself.
>
> > I don't hate anyone. But I hate what John did.
>
> > Troll? I understand that's your department.
>
> Not me. I stay in one newsgroup. Before you invaded it, I wasn't
> involved in this. You don't like me? Don't rant in the newsgroup I
> hang in - the group doesn't have anything to do with your rants
> anyhow.
>
> I'm just a person who, unlike you, can sympathise with some one like
> Suzy Gonzales.
Tell me how you do that? Explain in your own words. I gotta read
this.
> You, on the other hand, are someone who wants to poop her name
The only person who has "poop"ed on her name is John Sheffield. And
anyone with a right mind would be outraged at what he did. It was
upsetting and sickening. And he's still here doing the same things he
did before. After Suzy died, he offered a combination of suicide drugs
called the "DARVON COCKTAIL" to a woman from ASH who calls herself
Vale. She could be dead too. But she refused the drugs.
Sweetness
Patrick, not you, not me, not River, not this Darren person, not the childs
mom, and certainly not this child .. none of us.. can turn back the clock
and stop this Darren from trying ta kill himself and his son.
That said, you've just proved, more than twice, that you can stop yerself
anytime you like from posting this childs name. Try ta keep in yer mind that
posting the childs personal info is wrong.. okay ? You feel free ta spew
'manipulation' all you want.. feel free ta spew 'your friend' this and 'your
friend' that all you want too. You really have no clue who I may be friends
with.. but you go ahead and make up wotever turns yer crank ;)
I do believe that I've shown quite clearly that my only interest in this
particular shitstorm of yours is for the privacy rights of this innocent
child. The same az when you use Suzy az flamewar fodder. The same az when
you used HAVOC az flamewar fodder. From live people, ta dead people, ta
now... little people. None of these poor people around ta be able ta defend
themselves from you. Maybe one day you'll get it....
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you wrecked the whole thing
Doug
> "Flushing A. Sheffield" <chickitych...@hushmail.com> wrote in messagenews:c1d008d1-9323-4a57...@k9g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
Maybe one day YOU will understand that John Sheffield has the same
nature as does that creep Celia exposed for wanting to participate in
the suicides of ASH.
John Sheffield admits he would send controlled substances to Vale.
Pretty much gets him into the picture of her suicide there doesn't it?
John Sheffield admits he shared the last few hours of Suzy's life
before she committed suicide. What did he brag about there? That he
shared and proofread her suicide note. Get's John into the picture
there too, right?
Now John Sheffield brags about how he spent his time with a child
killer (oops, failed to kill his son but sure as hell tried hard
enough) and the bragged about how he wanted to JUSTIFY the attempted
murder and suicide try because of some pathetic words a convicted
criminal now feels while behind bars in prison. Why would John BRAG
about doing that with that creep? Worse, he said he forgave the
creep, a role he has not right to claim. Well, would it be nice for
John to parrot his concerns to that tot's Mommy, repeatedly so she
could know John finds the father unhappy but rationally capable of
still trying to make excuses for trying to kill his own son?
Maybe one day YOU will get it. Bad things are done and some of those
bad things REQUIRE the perp to be jailed. Here in ASH, question are
attempted to discredit the vileness of that father's actions and
excuses are put forth about how little anyone here knows of his frame
of mind while contemplating how he would prevent his son from living
in a world the Dad perceived to be a bad place.
So let me hear of your perception about grandstanding for dear old
Dad, the wanna be child killer?
While you are at it, it would be nice in you could show any relevance
about talking about a VICTIM in positive ways when that VICTIM's name
is proof of who the Dad wanted to kill, according to John's comments,
out of love!
Doug
Flushing A. Sheffield
> "Flushing A. Sheffield" <chickitych...@hushmail.com> wrote in messagenews:c1d008d1-9323-4a57...@k9g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
We are not talking about turning back the hands of time, we are
talking about John's comments today where he stated he defended what
this man did to the 5 year old boy. Don't you get it? It's just
another example at how twisted and sick your friend John truly is.
> That said, you've just proved, more than twice, that you can stop yerself
> anytime you like from posting this childs name.
Again, you are trying to manipulate me and the group. That name was
posted in the media over 3 years ago. And it will probably be on that
media webpage forever.
> Try ta keep in yer mind that
> posting the childs personal info is wrong.. okay ?
More manipulation. Look at the website, old lady. It's there on a
google search, along with his picture. I never put it there. The media
outlets did. And stop trying to manipulate me and the group. I am
aware of what you are doing.
> You feel free ta spew
> 'manipulation' all you want..
That's not my game, that is your game. And you stink at it. Because I
can see through it and I call you on it.
> feel free ta spew 'your friend' this and 'your
> friend' that all you want too.
Thanks, I will do just that, just for you.
> You really have no clue who I may be friends
> with.. but you go ahead and make up wotever turns yer crank ;)
Say hi to your buddy John for me.
> I do believe that I've shown quite clearly that my only interest in this
> particular shitstorm of yours is for the privacy rights of this innocent
> child. The same az when you use Suzy az flamewar fodder. The same az when
> you used HAVOC az flamewar fodder.
HAVOC was indeed a total asshole and a RL stalker.
> From live people, ta dead people, ta
> now... little people. None of these poor people around ta be able ta defend
> themselves from you. Maybe one day you'll get it....
I have for a long time now spoken out about what happened to Suzy.
What happened to her was wrong. And John Sheffield publicly admitted
on this group to walking and talking her through suicide. It was
wrong. And it's too bad that John didn't get charged and sent to
prison for what he did. It's hard to believe that even after that John
admitted to offering to send the DARVON COCKTAIL to Vale so she could
off herself. Can't you see how wrong that is?
Do you recognize that as much as many people on ASH have spoken out
against what happened to Suzy on this group, her real family is
reaching even more people than anyone from this group could ever hope
to reach? It's not just this group, Sweetness, it's people in real
life. Go do some googling and see what is being said and done away
from this group.
And you'll never be able to manipulate me into silence, Sweetness old
girl. I'm aware of what you do. And I don't fall for it.
Sweetness
Mick
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She's not afraid of much of anything really. :)
And yer very right...
Will you give me a quick rundown of wot yer group is about ?
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you wrecked the law and you don't even care i knew you were a fake