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Malificynt

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APRIL. 08, 14:59 EST

Pop Star George Michael Arrested

By CYNTHIA L. WEBB
Associated Press Writer

BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. (AP) -- Pop singer George Michael, who had a 1980s hit
with the song ``I Want Your Sex,'' was arrested for investigation of engaging
in lewd conduct in a park restroom, police said today.

The 34-year-old singer was alone in the restroom when an undercover officer
allegedly saw him commit the unspecified act on Tuesday afternoon, Lt. Edward
Kreins said.

``I can't go into details of the lewd act'' Kreins said. He specifically
declined to say whether Michael had exposed himself or masturbated when
arrested at Wil Rogers Parks, which locals said had a reputation as a
homosexual cruising ground.

Michael did not proposition the officer, Kreins said. He was arrested outside
the park, about a mile from his home, handcuffed and taken to the police
station.

The singer was booked for investigation of misdemeanor lewd conduct and
released after posting $500 bail. He was scheduled for arraignment in Municipal
Court on May 5.

Will Rogers Park is ``like a pickup spot. You see a lot of guys walking around
with shorts and their shirts off,'' said Angel Ruiz, a park maintenance worker.
``It's a nice park, but at three or four (in the afternoon) there's a lot of
different stuff going on.''

Doris Lopez, a nanny for the 2 1/2 -year-old daughter of a Bel-Air couple, said
she only brings the toddler to the park in the mornings.

``We see a lot of men walking around here. I don't bring her in the
afternoon,'' she said.

Kreins said there had been previous complaints of lewd conduct at the park,
prompting a crime suppression effort there. One the day of Michael's arrest,
another man also was arrested for investigation of lewd conduct at the same
restroom in an unrelated incident, he said.

Michael, who was arrested at 4:48 p.m. Tuesday, at first gave police his real
name, Georgios Kyriacos Panayiotou, then later supplied his stage name when
asked if he used any other names, Kreins said.

The arresting officer did not recognize the pop star, who identified himself as
a singer when asked his occupation at the station, Kreins said.

A call left for Andy Stevens, Michael's manager in London, was not immediately
returned. His publicity agency, Connie Filippello Publicity in London, declined
immediate comment and said it could not immediately confirm his arrest.

Michael was one of Princess Diana's favorite singers and attended her funeral
in September.

In the 1980s, Michael shot to stardom with Andrew Ridgeley as the duo Wham!,
whose hits included ``Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go'' and ``Careless Whisper.''

Wham! split up in 1986 and Michael went solo with his first album, ``Faith,''
which sold more than 10 million copies.

The single ``I Want Your Sex'' was banned by many radio stations.

MO CAFEEN

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>The 34-year-old singer was alone in the restroom when an undercover officer
>allegedly saw him commit the unspecified act on Tuesday afternoon

Alone? The officer was not it the restroom? Was the officer watching from
somewhere else? A camera? How can an act be "lewd" if you are alone? If no
one is there to see it, who is it bothering? I am apparently missing something
here. Anyone heard any more about this story? Anything that makes more sense?

Beth Meacham

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There's an inherent problem with this story.


>The 34-year-old singer was alone in the restroom when an undercover officer

>allegedly saw him commit the unspecified act on Tuesday afternoon, Lt.
Edward
>Kreins said.

So if Michael was alone, how did the undercover cop see the "unspecified
act"? Is it a lewd act if there's no one there to see it?

Is it indecent exposure if you're in a bathroom and someone peeps through
the window or over the door and sees you take down your pants?

Beth


Penguin0

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>The 34-year-old singer was alone in the restroom when an undercover
>officer allegedly saw him commit the unspecified act on Tuesday >afternoon,
Lt. Edward Kreins said.

According to the gossip newsgroups, he was caught masturbating.

Christine
(at least Pee Wee was watching a porno flick...)

Eric Saeger

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MO CAFEEN wrote:
>
> >The 34-year-old singer was alone in the restroom when an undercover officer
> >allegedly saw him commit the unspecified act on Tuesday afternoon
>
> Alone? The officer was not it the restroom? Was the officer watching from
> somewhere else? A camera? How can an act be "lewd" if you are alone? If no
> one is there to see it, who is it bothering? I am apparently missing something
> here. Anyone heard any more about this story? Anything that makes more sense?

Aw, baloney. Smacks of publicity stunt to me; maybe he's going after
the gay and lesbian record-buying dollar (and don't forget, sexual
"confusion" is big with kids nowadays) and simultaneously outing
himself. And if that guy's 34, I'm Della Reese.

The Darlin of the Lurking Gods,

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SL

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Read all about it in the Mirror, UK... George evidently had FAITH that public whacking his WHAM!
in front of an undercover cop might lead to a brief encounter of the "cottage" kind. Hmm, new
word to me, this is where I usually go for the weekends...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/stories/F0904803.html

~SL

James Wooten

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Found this article on the Mirror Online
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news.htm

GEORGE'S SHAME

• He lured undercover vice cop into park toilet

• He dropped trousers to perform lewd sex act

• He played footsie with officer under cubicle wall

• He wept in handcuffs after arrest was sprung

BY ANDY LINES US EDITOR

SHAMED George Michael wept "uncontrollably" when he was arrested after
luring an undercover cop into a public toilet for gay sex, it was revealed
last night.

Pop superstar George, 34, played "footsie" with the officer while he sat in
the next cubicle and performed an indecent act, it was claimed.

The multi-millionaire bach-elor was then arrested and handcuffed and taken
in tears to Beverly Hills police station. The incident occurred in the Will
Rogers Memorial Park near George's Los Angeles home.

Cops had been patrolling the park after complaints from nearby residents
about improper behaviour. An officer said: "Michael made eye contact with
our undercover officer.

"He motioned for the officer to enter the toilets. Michael went in first
and the officer followed him. They both sat in separate adjoining cubicles
and Michael started to play 'footsie' with the officer under the partition.


"The officer then left his cubicle and looked round the corner and saw
Michael committing an indecent act. He then formally arrested him. As he
did so, Michael started to cry. He was very upset."

The officer had no idea he had arrested one of the world's most famous
singers.

George, wearing torn jeans, a denim shirt and a baseball cap, was booked
for disorderly conduct under his real name, Georgios Panayiotou.

But he was released three hours after his arrest and given $500 bail to
appear at Beverly Hills Municipal Court on May 5.

A report will be sent to the Beverly Hills City Attorney, who will decide
if the case will go to court. Last night George was staying at the Los
Angeles mansion of gay record producer David Geffen.


a. tawil

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On 9 Apr 1998, Penguin0 wrote:

> >The 34-year-old singer was alone in the restroom when an undercover

> >officer allegedly saw him commit the unspecified act on Tuesday >afternoon,
> Lt. Edward Kreins said.
>
> According to the gossip newsgroups, he was caught masturbating.

I can imagine the police radio conversation: "Officer Barbrady? Quit
pursuing that serial killer, we've got a masturbator in the bathroom on
Main and 5th, over..."


Wolfenhnd

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>> >The 34-year-old singer was alone in the restroom when an undercover
>> >officer allegedly saw him <snippage>

I'm confused. If he was alone doesn't that mean there was no one there to see
him?? Or was this a police stake out of the men's room where they plant cops
in heating ducts for the express purpose of nabbing pervs in the midst of
obscene acts?

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Mark Denman

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Wolfenhnd wrote:
>
> >> >The 34-year-old singer was alone in the restroom when an undercover
> >> >officer allegedly saw him <snippage>
>
> I'm confused. If he was alone doesn't that mean there was no one there to see
> him?? Or was this a police stake out of the men's room where they plant cops
> in heating ducts for the express purpose of nabbing pervs in the midst of
> obscene acts?

The park in question is a known gay cruise spot. Police check the
restrooms of these places a lot, both in uniform and undercover.
Standing by yourself at the urinal masturbating would be a lewd act and
the person would be "alone" in the sense that nobody was with him, like
sitting "alone" in a restaurant doesn't mean nobody is there, just
nobody is at the table with you.

I think that by saying he was alone, they were telling the world that he
was masturbating, not performing a sex act with someone else.

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SL

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The undercover officer came in when George was doing something with his WHAM! Whatever that
thing he was doing was, he continued to do so, publicly and with intent to be seen doing this
something... The officer was not propositioned, he said. What DID happen? Is it too
disgusting for print? Or what?

Anyone out there who can help interpret this "thing", who may know homosexual "cottaging"
techniques?

~SL
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Carolyn

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Mark Denman writes about George Michael's unfortunate arrest for
misbehavior:


>
> The park in question is a known gay cruise spot. Police check the
> restrooms of these places a lot, both in uniform and undercover.
> Standing by yourself at the urinal masturbating would be a lewd act and
> the person would be "alone" in the sense that nobody was with him, like
> sitting "alone" in a restaurant doesn't mean nobody is there, just
> nobody is at the table with you.

I read an account by a cop whose job included hanging out at one of these
restrooms, looking through a peephole to catch guys doing stuff to each
other. Interestingly, the stalls had holes in their walls through which
one gentleman would poke his part for attentions from another gentleman,
thus the two would never really meet. Much of this was done in the dark.
The light in the restroom was never functional. They'd no sooner put in a
lightbulb than it would be broken or removed. Pretty wretched way to make
a living (the cop) and even more wretched way to make love (the gays). Too
bad our society doesn't make it easier for gay men to have normal
relationships. I think that's slowly changing, as people realize that this
isn't a lifestyle choice, it's in the genes.


Harvey Nehgila

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Carolyn wrote in message <6gl49d$e...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...

>Too bad our society doesn't make it easier for gay men to have
>normal relationships. I think that's slowly changing, as people
>realize that this isn't a lifestyle choice, it's in the genes.

I'd submit that Mr. Michael has the money and clout to have whatever
kind of relationship he'd like to have -- and in his own home too.

I'd further submit that in San Francisco, gay couples can be (and
are monthly) married by the Mayor at City Hall, are totally accepted
in the community, and have any number of clean all night sex clubs
available to them if they wish to go that route, yet all the bathrooms
in the park are like every other park in America -- lights broken out
and glory holes (that's what they're called) in the wall of every stall.

Everything that happens is not necessarily "society's" fault.


LawnOrder6

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Carolyn wrote:

>. Pretty wretched way to make

>a living (the cop) and even more wretched way to make love (the gays). Too


>bad our society doesn't make it easier for gay men to have normal
>relationships. I think that's slowly changing, as people realize that this
>isn't a lifestyle choice, it's in the genes.

Really? I think they are having fun, Carolyn. You should try it sometime.

Direct from: LawnOrder.

Carolyn

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LawnOrder6 <lawno...@aol.com> wrote in article
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> Carolyn wrote:
>
> >. Pretty wretched way to make
> >a living (the cop) and even more wretched way to make love (the gays).
Too
> >bad our society doesn't make it easier for gay men to have normal
> >relationships. I think that's slowly changing, as people realize that
this
> >isn't a lifestyle choice, it's in the genes.
>
> Really? I think they are having fun, Carolyn.

I'm sure you're right, Lawn. They are having fun. Not, of course, as much
fun as it would be possible for them to have under more convenient and
comfortable circumstances. Or perhaps you would disagree with that, too?
Think it's better to be in a spot where you might be caught and thrown into
jail for your activities? Or where somebody who doesn't like what you are
might take your proffered part and nick it with a penknife or some other
object?

Each to his own.

Carolyn

Carolyn

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Harvey Nehgila <ha...@nospam.org> wrote in article
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> Carolyn wrote in message <6gl49d$e...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
>

> >Too bad our society doesn't make it easier for gay men to have
> >normal relationships. I think that's slowly changing, as people
> >realize that this isn't a lifestyle choice, it's in the genes.
>

> I'd submit that Mr. Michael has the money and clout to have whatever
> kind of relationship he'd like to have -- and in his own home too.

I was not referring to Mr. Mike here. Who know what he was up to? He says
he's not gay. Maybe just out for a thrill. Or out to revive his flagging
career as a rock star with a little publicity.

>
> I'd further submit that in San Francisco, gay couples can be (and
> are monthly) married by the Mayor at City Hall, are totally accepted
> in the community, and have any number of clean all night sex clubs
> available to them if they wish to go that route, yet all the bathrooms
> in the park are like every other park in America -- lights broken out
> and glory holes (that's what they're called) in the wall of every stall.

> Everything that happens is not necessarily "society's" fault.

Well, I'd sure agree with you there. But since you brought this up --
fault, I mean -- how about you tell us whose fault it is that there are
"glory holes in the wall of every stall in every other park in America" as
well in the park stall walls of San Francisco? You think gay men
specifically prefer this kind of anonymous, public sex? Or do you think
that being interested in each other makes men somewhat less interested in
comfortable surroundings? Or what? (As I write these words I find I'm
increasingly interested in reading your answer.)

Your curious friend,

Carolyn

Maggie8097

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> Carolyn wrote:
>
> >. Pretty wretched way to make
> >a living (the cop) and even more wretched way to make love (the gays).
Too
> >bad our society doesn't make it easier for gay men to have normal
> >relationships. I think that's slowly changing, as people realize that
this
> >isn't a lifestyle choice, it's in the genes.
>
> Really? I think they are having fun, Carolyn.

Carolyn wrote:
I'm sure you're right, Lawn. They are having fun. Not, of course, as much
fun as it would be possible for them to have under more convenient and
comfortable circumstances. Or perhaps you would disagree with that, too?
Think it's better to be in a spot where you might be caught and thrown into
jail for your activities? Or where somebody who doesn't like what you are
might take your proffered part and nick it with a penknife or some other
object?

Each to his own.

***Oh for Pete's sake. You really think it's so hard for gay men in San
Francisco (ar anywhere else for that matter) to find each other that the only
way they can get a sexual partner is to go to a public restroom and find a
glory hole? Face it, some people just enjoy anonymous sex. Seems weird to me,
too, but plenty of these guys have regular partners and don't *have* to resort
to sex with strangers to satisfy their sexual urges.


Maggie

"I was going to buy a copy of "The Power of Positive Thinking," and then I
thought: What the hell good would that do?"--Ronnie Shakes

Carolyn

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Maggie8097 writes



> ***Oh for Pete's sake. You really think it's so hard for gay men in San
> Francisco (ar anywhere else for that matter) to find each other that the
only
> way they can get a sexual partner is to go to a public restroom and find
a
> glory hole? Face it, some people just enjoy anonymous sex. Seems weird
to me,
> too, but plenty of these guys have regular partners and don't *have* to
resort
> to sex with strangers to satisfy their sexual urges.

I don't think it's impossible for gay men in San Francisco or anywhere else
to find each other. However, I do think that being gay has a bad effect on
men's sexuality and the way they express it. I suspect that many are
ashamed of what they do for sex, and anonymous sex is the one way they can
keep their secret. I also think that gay men are hypersexualized by their
difference, primarily as a reaction to the way the society at large views
them and also as a result of guilt feelings. I think it's a vicious
circle. Stress because they are gay, which leads to the frantic search for
sex to relieve that stress, and then more stress because of what they are
doing to have sex. And so on.

Do you really believe that the desire to have anonymous sex through holes
in the wall is healthy and natural?


Maggie8097

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Maggie8097 writes

> ***Oh for Pete's sake. You really think it's so hard for gay men in San
> Francisco (ar anywhere else for that matter) to find each other that the
only
> way they can get a sexual partner is to go to a public restroom and find
a
> glory hole? Face it, some people just enjoy anonymous sex. Seems weird
to me,
> too, but plenty of these guys have regular partners and don't *have* to
resort
> to sex with strangers to satisfy their sexual urges.

Carolyn says:
I don't think it's impossible for gay men in San Francisco or anywhere else
to find each other. However, I do think that being gay has a bad effect on
men's sexuality and the way they express it. I suspect that many are
ashamed of what they do for sex, and anonymous sex is the one way they can
keep their secret. I also think that gay men are hypersexualized by their
difference, primarily as a reaction to the way the society at large views
them and also as a result of guilt feelings. I think it's a vicious
circle. Stress because they are gay, which leads to the frantic search for
sex to relieve that stress, and then more stress because of what they are
doing to have sex. And so on.

Do you really believe that the desire to have anonymous sex through holes
in the wall is healthy and natural?

***Many, many, many people, most of them heterosexual, follow sexual practices
that, IMO, are not healthy (however these practices are probably quite natural
to them.)

This has very little to do with being gay, and a whole lot to do with being
male. Some men just like to have anonymous sex--lots more men than women like
it, IMO. That's why there are lots of female prostitutes servicing men and
very, very few male prostitutes servicing women. Do you really think that if
women were willing to go into public places and allow men they don't know to
have sex with them, no charge, that heterosexual men *wouldn't* do it because
society "accepts" their sexuality? The line would probably circle the globe.
And maybe most of the posters on this group wouldn't be in it (or maybe they
would, I don't know), but believe me, lots of men would think this was the
greatest thing since sliced bread.

Look at George Michaels, about whom this whole thread was started. He says
he's involved in a long-term relationship with a man, but that still he likes
to go into public restrooms and do whatever it is he did. It's the thrill of
it all. How else to explain heterosexual couples having sex on the Capitol
steps (John and Rita Jenrette) or in airplane restrooms, or men of power
groping women they barely know in public or semi-public places?

Carolyn

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Maggie8097 replies to my question:

> Do you really believe that the desire to have anonymous sex through holes
> in the wall is healthy and natural?

> ***Many, many, many people, most of them heterosexual, follow sexual
practices
> that, IMO, are not healthy (however these practices are probably quite
natural
> to them.)
>
> This has very little to do with being gay, and a whole lot to do with
being
> male. Some men just like to have anonymous sex--lots more men than women
like
> it, IMO. That's why there are lots of female prostitutes servicing men
and
> very, very few male prostitutes servicing women.

I think that men have a stronger sex drive. After all, the biological
imperative for men is to have sex with as many women as possible to have as
many children as possible. The imperative for women is to find one strong
partner for protection while pregnant and rearing a child. Men are better
off, numbers-wise,reproducing with quantity (the more sex you have, the
better the chances are that your genes will be passed on), women with
quality (the closer the relationship you have, the better the chances are
that the children you have will survive and that your genes with be passed
on).

> Do you really think that if
> women were willing to go into public places and allow men they don't know
to
> have sex with them, no charge, that heterosexual men *wouldn't* do it
because
> society "accepts" their sexuality?

Ah, but this sexual activity (glory hole stuff) is not without risk,
unlike a sex club. -- and the anonymity is taken to an extreme.



> Look at George Michaels, about whom this whole thread was started. He
says
> he's involved in a long-term relationship with a man, but that still he
likes
> to go into public restrooms and do whatever it is he did. It's the
thrill of
> it all.

I am sure you are right in his case. However, George says he regrets his
actions and feels they were "reckless." And that's just what I think about
that kind of sex, too. It's reckless. Dangerous.

How else to explain heterosexual couples having sex on the Capitol
> steps (John and Rita Jenrette) or in airplane restrooms, or men of power
> groping women they barely know in public or semi-public places?

Sex is a powerful part of the human experience and people have the feeling
that they should make the most of it. Sometimes people feel they can enjoy
sex more by having it in unconventional surroundings or dangerous
circumstances. Does this make that kind of "reckless sex" a good thing?
No. That was my point about the gays. I do not think (and I know I am in
the minority, so don't pile on, folks) that *all* sexual activity is good.
I think some sexual activity can make you think ill of yourself and others,
and of the sexual act itself, after the fact. I put having anonymous sex
through a hole in a stall wall in a darkened public toilet under the threat
of detection and arrest in that category.


Harvey Nehgila

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Carolyn wrote in message <6glme9$8...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...

>Well, I'd sure agree with you there. But since you brought this up --
>fault, I mean -- how about you tell us whose fault it is that there are
>"glory holes in the wall of every stall in every other park in America"
>as well in the park stall walls of San Francisco?

Each hole is the fault of the individual who carved it, but I'd assign
a dollop of blame to police agencies who seemingly have the
resources to catch those abusing private pubic property, but not
enough to catch those who deface public property.

>You think gay men specifically prefer this kind of
>anonymous, public sex?

I don't think there is any such homogeneous (sic) group as "gay
men." Gays run the gamut from the celibate to monogamous to
wildly promiscuous just as straights do. Many people, gay and
straight, seem to have the need to forever push the envelope in
order to maintain the same level of arousal, be it with multiple
partners, anonymous quickies, danger of being caught, strangling,
whatever. Gennifer Flowers claims Clinton was very much into
doing it where there was a danger of being caught; it's certainly
not exclusively a gay thing.



>Or do you think that being interested in each other makes men
>somewhat less interested in comfortable surroundings?

I'd say the biological imperative for males results in them having
far more interest in spilling the seed rather than worrying about
where it gets spilled, sure. And obviously lots of gay men look
upon public restrooms the way Willie Sutton looked upon banks.
But when you consider countries where the restrooms are co-ed,
you don't see it treated as a trysting opportunity by anybody, by
and large, so I don't think you can conclude any natural desire to
have sex in bathrooms on the part of any group.


t.cruise

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On 10 Apr 1998 17:55:21 GMT, "Carolyn" <Car...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:


>I was not referring to Mr. Mike here. Who know what he was up to? He says
>he's not gay. Maybe just out for a thrill. Or out to revive his flagging
>career as a rock star with a little publicity.

George Michael says he's not gay. The account of his arrest doesn't
leave much room for doubt, unless one wants to speculate that he might
be bisexual.

UPDATE!!!! I just saw THIS at the Pathfinder Entertainment Weekly
site:

George Michael Says He's Gay
(Reuter) LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Pop star George Michael said
yesterday he was not ashamed to admit he is gay but reproached himself
for the actions that led to his arrest this week on lewd-conduct
charges. ``I want people to know I haven't been exposed as a gay man.
I don't feel any shame. I feel stupid and reckless and weak for having
allowed my sexuality to be exposed this way,'' Michael told CNN in his
first public comments since his arrest in a public toilet in Los
Angeles Tuesday. Without discussing the specifics of his arrest or the
act he allegedly engaged in, Michael said it was not the first time he
had been ``reckless'' in a similar way. He is scheduled for
arraignment in Beverly Hills Municipal Court on May 5.

T.C.

t.cruise

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On 10 Apr 1998 17:55:21 GMT, "Carolyn" <Car...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:


>I was not referring to Mr. Mike here. Who know what he was up to? He says
>he's not gay. Maybe just out for a thrill. Or out to revive his flagging
>career as a rock star with a little publicity.

George Michael says he's not gay. The account of his arrest doesn't
leave much room for doubt, unless one wants to speculate that he might
be bisexual.

T.C.

LawnOrder6

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Carolyn wrote:

>Do you really believe that the desire to have anonymous sex through holes
>in the wall is healthy and natural?

Carolyn, chill out.

Direct from: LawnOrder.

maryanne kehoe

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tc's item regarding:
[May 5th arraigment of George
Michael]


I heard on the radio that the DA is going to make a decision wheather or
not to prosecute the case, if he decides to drop the charges, I imagine
George Michael does not have to go to court on the 5th (?)


Maryanne.

Carolyn

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LawnOrder6 <lawno...@aol.com> wrote in article

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> Carolyn wrote:
>
> >Do you really believe that the desire to have anonymous sex through
holes
> >in the wall is healthy and natural?
>
> Carolyn, chill out.

Wow, I know I'm impressed at the level of your communication here. Why did
you bother?


LawnOrder6

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Apr 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/13/98
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Caroyln wrote:

>Wow, I know I'm impressed at the level of your communication here. Why did
>you bother?

Finally, a good question!

Direct from: LawnOrder.

Carolyn

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LawnOrder6 <lawno...@aol.com> wrote in article

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And the answer is???????

LawnOrder6

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Apr 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/13/98
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Carolyn wrote:

>And the answer is???????


<snort>
Direct from: LawnOrder.

Carolyn

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LawnOrder6 <lawno...@aol.com> wrote in article

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Is this a Lily Tomlin snort or a Puff the Magic Dragon snort? Really, you
have to be a lot more specific, if all you're going to do is snort.


PRNancy

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Apr 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/13/98
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Carolyn wrote:

Oh, I knew right away it wasn't a Lily because LawnOrder couldn't be a
telephone operator. And there was no raspberry for "And that's the truth!"

Nancy, thinking this thread has strayed mightily unless George Michael was
arrested for snorting

Slimpickins

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Carolyn wrote:

> Do you really believe that the desire to have anonymous sex through holes
> in the wall is healthy and natural?
>

LawnOrder6 wrote: Carolyn, chill out.

Carolyn:

> Wow, I know I'm impressed at the level of your communication here. Why did
> you bother?

**** Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha, that's a good one, Carolyn! I find the whole George Michael
episode pityful and frankly, disgusting. Call it anonymous sex, call it
desperate, call it sad. I call it Sleazy! What I don't understand { if he's
NOT a total sleaze-bag} is with all his money, why not just order a Call-boy
{?} . I've heard that other celebs do. Old georgie obviously gets off on
freebee's, I guess. Mr. "I want your sex" flung it out for all the world to
"see", this time. I wonder if he's still turned-on {Smirk}.


LawnOrder6

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Carolyn asked:

>Is this a Lily Tomlin snort or a Puff the Magic Dragon snort? Really, you
>have to be a lot more specific, if all you're going to do is snort.


Well Carolyn, you've obviously heard them all in your time.
Direct from: LawnOrder.

Carolyn

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Slimpickins writes,


>
> **** Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha, that's a good one, Carolyn! I find the whole George
Michael
> episode pityful and frankly, disgusting. Call it anonymous sex, call it
> desperate, call it sad. I call it Sleazy! What I don't understand { if
he's
> NOT a total sleaze-bag} is with all his money, why not just order a
Call-boy
> {?} . I've heard that other celebs do. Old georgie obviously gets off on
> freebee's, I guess. Mr. "I want your sex" flung it out for all the world
to
> "see", this time. I wonder if he's still turned-on {Smirk}.

This episode is, as you say, pityful. George Michael, for all his sleazy
songs and his newly discovered minority sexual orientation should enjoy his
sexual relationships and the sex act and not feel compelled to involve
himself in anonymous or desperate sex. This is a terribly sad thing for
the man, and I feel sorry for him.

Sometimes less is more, as even our illustrious Prez has discovered.
Consider the pressures that drive men like George to this kind of activity!
He is truly a tragic figure.


Carolyn

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LawnOrder6 <lawno...@aol.com> wrote in article

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Still no answer. You must be a politician, Lawn.

Carolyn

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PRNancy <prn...@aol.com> wrote in article
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> Carolyn wrote:
>
> >LawnOrder6 <lawno...@aol.com> wrote in article

> ><199804131636...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> >> Carolyn wrote:
> >>
> >> >And the answer is???????
> >>
> >>
> >> <snort>
> >> Direct from: LawnOrder.
> >

> >Is this a Lily Tomlin snort or a Puff the Magic Dragon snort? Really,
you
> >have to be a lot more specific, if all you're going to do is snort.
> >
> >
>

> Oh, I knew right away it wasn't a Lily because LawnOrder couldn't be a
> telephone operator. And there was no raspberry for "And that's the
truth!"
>
> Nancy, thinking this thread has strayed mightily unless George Michael
was
> arrested for snorting

Maybe that's next. Poor, sad George.

Halle 8

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> Carolyn asked:

>Is this a Lily Tomlin snort or a Puff the Magic Dragon snort?
>Really, you have to be a lot more specific, if all you're
>going to do is snort.

>Well Carolyn, you've obviously heard them all in your time.
> Direct from: LawnOrder.

>Still no answer. You must be a politician, Lawn.

Carolyn throws up her hands in despair and cries, "So many questions, and yet
so few answers!" Get yourself a Magic 8 Ball, darlin'.

Halle

LawnOrder6

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Apr 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/14/98
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Carolyn wrote:

<snip pointless question>

When did you join the Girl Gang, Carolyn?

Direct from: LawnOrder.

LawnOrder6

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Apr 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/14/98
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Slimpickins wrote:

>> Old georgie obviously gets off on
>> freebee's, I guess.

You prefer to pay?


Direct from: LawnOrder.

Halle 8

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When did you start caring?

Halle


Halle 8

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Apr 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/14/98
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You're missing the obvious, Lawn. Perhaps those blades of yours need to be
sharpened.

Halle


LawnOrder6

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Dog2 wrote:

>You're missing the obvious, Lawn. Perhaps those blades of yours need to be
>sharpened.

Glad to see you still know how to take orders, "Halle".
Direct from: LawnOrder.

Halle 8

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Glad to see you still know how to take the bait, "Lawn."

Halle


LawnOrder6

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Dog2 wrote:

>Glad to see you still know how to take the bait, "Lawn."

"Woof, woof".


Direct from: LawnOrder.

Halle 8

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Lawn, it'll be tough getting along without you, but let us try.

Halle


Corey Kosak

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Maggie8097 writes:
> ***Oh for Pete's sake. You really think it's so hard for gay men in San
> Francisco (ar anywhere else for that matter) to find each other that the only
> way they can get a sexual partner is to go to a public restroom and find a
> glory hole?

Perhaps not in general, but if I had that same skanky EuroCaesar/pirate hairdo
that George has been sporting lately, I'd probably find that gloryhole sex was
the only way to get any, too.

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