Sund/Pelosso Moccasin Vista Point

[Patty]

I thought I would do some speculating.

Is there any evidence besides eyewitnesses that prove Julie was in Modesto?
If there are fibers in the jeep, she may have been transported separately
from the abduction site but not necessarily taken to Modesto.

Having been to Moccasin Vista Point, I wonder if there was any blood found
at the site. My boyfriend and I, looking at the location of where the body
was, thought she may have been killed execution style. If she was killed
somewhere else, especially if she was stabbed, there certainly does seem
like there would be blood somewhere. If shot, where's the smoking gun?
But then again, who fired it?

The FBI, from news accounts, certainly doesn't have many details on the
actual killings. It certainly doesn't mean, though, that what the media
reports is all that they have. Forensics would at least tell them if Julie
was killed on or her body dumped at that site.

I don't like going over the gory details but they are vital as evidence to
the case.

[nightliter]

My impression is that they know how she died, and whether she had been
sexually assaulted.

If the eyewitness's are to be believed, then she was in Modesto. But,
having been to Modesto many many times, unless I had a good route from the
mountains to a non-descript house, it just seems unlikely that after
commiting a double murder and/or kidnapping, that I would bring a living
victim into the CITY of Modesto. Modesto may be a smallish Central Cal
town, but it aint no cowpatch.
Of course, what if Juli was essentially unconcious (perhaps near death) at
that time, rather than a concious un-willing hostage?

It strikes me that not too many people would have known she was being held
"hostage" for several days, this seems too risky. Meth-heads tend to be
paranoid, I cant see them having a hostage for very long, maybe only a day
or so after the other two were killed. It just does not seem believable
that Rufus/Utely/Dykes/Larwick/and the rest of the cast of scum would all
know a girl was being held hostage after a double murder.

We dont know exactly what evidence may have been present at the car site, or
at the site of Juli's body, or in the vehicles or homes of the suspects.

I'm wondering if this is going to end up with 1 or 2 people being charged
with the murder of Juli, with the rest of the crime un-prosecutable due to
lack of sufficient evidence.

Patty <x...@yyy.com> wrote in message news:377f...@news1.jps.net...

[joy anderson]

If the cause of death for Julie has been announced, I've missed it. I
suppose LE is keeping that information secret in order to test the
accuracy of stories from informants.
Joy

[kkramer]

I dont know if she was strangled or shot.

But, she was mutilated.I believe that to be the *big secret*
as it ties into past MOs which ties perps into this one.

Kramer

joy anderson wrote in message <377F0A...@ix.netcom.com>...

[Maggie8097]

nightlighter said:
>I'm wondering if this is going to end up with 1 or 2 people being charged
>with the murder of Juli, with the rest of the crime un-prosecutable due
>to
>lack of sufficient evidence.

***I bet they don't even have anything on the guys who killed Juli. I'd be
surprised if charges are ever filed against anyone who's a suspect/in jail now.

Maggie

"The nice thing about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either
proven right or pleasantly surprised."--George F. Will

[joy anderson]

I'm curious about what makes you think Julie was mutilated?

[kkramer]

I knew exactly what you would post. Inquiring minds want to know...

One: "In the Yosemite case, the manner in which the bodies were abandoned
suggests a killer, possibly a sexual sadist, who did not know his victims,
McCrary said."

Two: looking for knives (Dykes' Maria Ledbetter) and saw blades;

Three: method of destroying Carole and Silvina (chop chop chop).

Those are my three reasons. There is some argument as to item 3 being out
of necessity because of rigor mortis. The organized abduction leads me to
believe chop chop chop was planned planned planned.

Kramer <I have no reason to believe Dykes or Larwick would use this MO
either>

joy anderson wrote in message <377FA3...@ix.netcom.com>...

[kkramer]

I could be guessing here but I think Juli was shot not strangled.
Assuming they kept Juli a few days, they got to know her. So,
the killing wont be as cold as the indifference of chopping by
"possibly a sexual sadist who did not know his victims".

Knowing Juli changed the killing method from the other two. In
fact, they placed her with a view of lovely country. It's your
call: wouldn't it be easier to shoot someone you knew instead
of grabbed the person's throat and squeezing the life out of
her?

Kramer

kkramer wrote in message <4_Nf3.448$1Q6.2...@news-west.eli.net>...

[Lynn Lowry]

Juli was drugged. Okay, my own impression here. But what better way for a dope
head to subdue a victim? He/they could keep her quiet for weeks by just keeping
her drugged up enough to keep her quiet.......Lynn

nightliter wrote:

> My impression is that they know how she died, and whether she had been
> sexually assaulted.
>
> If the eyewitness's are to be believed, then she was in Modesto. But,
> having been to Modesto many many times, unless I had a good route from the
> mountains to a non-descript house, it just seems unlikely that after
> commiting a double murder and/or kidnapping, that I would bring a living
> victim into the CITY of Modesto. Modesto may be a smallish Central Cal
> town, but it aint no cowpatch.
> Of course, what if Juli was essentially unconcious (perhaps near death) at
> that time, rather than a concious un-willing hostage?
>
> It strikes me that not too many people would have known she was being held
> "hostage" for several days, this seems too risky. Meth-heads tend to be
> paranoid, I cant see them having a hostage for very long, maybe only a day
> or so after the other two were killed. It just does not seem believable
> that Rufus/Utely/Dykes/Larwick/and the rest of the cast of scum would all
> know a girl was being held hostage after a double murder.
>
> We dont know exactly what evidence may have been present at the car site, or
> at the site of Juli's body, or in the vehicles or homes of the suspects.
>

> I'm wondering if this is going to end up with 1 or 2 people being charged
> with the murder of Juli, with the rest of the crime un-prosecutable due to
> lack of sufficient evidence.
>

> Patty <x...@yyy.com> wrote in message news:377f...@news1.jps.net...

[Kris Baker]

"Patty" <x...@yyy.com> wrote:

>I thought I would do some speculating.
>Is there any evidence besides eyewitnesses that prove Julie was
>in Modesto? If there are fibers in the jeep, she may have been
>transported separately from the abduction site but not necessarily
>taken to Modesto.

On the timeline, I mention a KSEE story by Faith Sidlow,
which stated that "Juli's presence in Modesto has been firmly
established." (See May 26.)

Faith's been very accurate in her reportage -- but has not
revealed (and may not know) what "firmly establishes" Juli's
presence there.

Kris
Sund/Pelosso website at:
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