Fred Goldman's show did really bad in the ratings
Lo52964
>"Brain Belt" <b...@cranium.org> writes
>As usual Fred is a bad salesman. Perhaps he should go back to crying on cue
>and being a racist.
Ii know nothing about his salesmanship but as a crawling whiner who made a buck
or two off his son's death, I have dispised him for years. He makes OJ look
good.
LO5 2964
" Don't talk to me about justice, it is bad enough to be mixed up with the
law."
LO5 2964
G. M. Lupo
Brain Belt wrote:
> UPN's premiere last week, ``Search for Justice with Fred Goldman,''
> finished 114th and last in the ratings. The father of Ron Goldman,
> murdered along with O.J. Simpson's ex-wife, was host of a reality show
> on people who try to right wrongs in society.
The sad part is it was up against Capricorn One.
Matt Lupo
check it out at IMDB, you'll see the irony...
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Carl Jackson
What??..."crying on cue and being racist"?...Listen, meathead...until
YOU lose a child in such a horrific way, you'd do best to keep your
f**king mouth SHUT concerning how Fred Goldman -- or ANYONE ELSE --
displays his or her grief!!!!!!
Moreover, to borrow a line from Lloyd Bentsen, "I've known
racists...I've been harrassed by racists...Fred Goldman is no racist."
Carl
Brain Belt wrote:
>
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> UPN's premiere last week, ``Search for Justice with Fred Goldman,'' finished
> 114th and last in the ratings. The father of Ron Goldman, murdered along
> with O.J. Simpson's ex-wife, was host of a reality show on people who try to
> right wrongs in society.
>
glas
Brain Belt wrote ...
|x-no-archive: yes
|
|UPN's premiere last week, ``Search for Justice with Fred Goldman,''
finished
|114th and last in the ratings. The father of Ron Goldman, murdered
along
|with O.J. Simpson's ex-wife, was host of a reality show on people who
try to
|right wrongs in society.
|
|As usual Fred is a bad salesman. Perhaps he should go back to crying
on cue
|and being a racist.
He's racist because he wants to see justice for the murder of his
beloved son? How so?
I can't believe how many people attack this guy. I don't care if he
does have an annoying personality, a funny mustache and no charisma.
He lost his son in a most horrific way and then watched the killer
make a mockery of our justice system and then get off scott free.
As far as I am concerned he has a right to whine and bitch and moan
and complain for as long and as loudly as he wants too. If I were in
his shoes I would do the same.
glas
Carolyn
glas replies to Brian's comment that:
> |As usual Fred is a bad salesman. Perhaps he should go back to crying
> on cue
> |and being a racist.
> He's racist because he wants to see justice for the murder of his
> beloved son? How so?
>
> I can't believe how many people attack this guy. I don't care if he
> does have an annoying personality, a funny mustache and no charisma.
> He lost his son in a most horrific way and then watched the killer
> make a mockery of our justice system and then get off scott free.
>
> As far as I am concerned he has a right to whine and bitch and moan
> and complain for as long and as loudly as he wants too. If I were in
> his shoes I would do the same.
>
> glas
Me, too, glas. The racist label is disgusting and undeserved. What is
Brian's motivation for posting this scrap of nastiness, do you think?
Lo52964
>glas" <gl...@donet.com> writes
>I can't believe how many people attack this guy. I don't care if he
>does have an annoying personality, a funny mustache and no charisma.
>He lost his son in a most horrific way and then watched the killer
>make a mockery of our justice system and then get off scott free.
>
>As far as I am concerned he has a right to whine and bitch and moan
>and complain for as long and as loudly as he wants too. If I were in
>his shoes I would do the same.
It was the LA cops and DAs who made a mockery of justice. OJ just had the
money and lawyers to take advantage of that fact.
Nobody gets the right to be uncivilized unless they show me the MRI with the
brain damage. If Goldman wishes to act that way, let him go somewhere where
they aren't civilized. Yes, close has happened to me, I helped the DA and
the witnesses. I know the system ( see my motto) and that helped. I did
not make a public ass of myself and I am not living off the Not Guilty accused.
That's why I don't like Goldman and will denounce him every chance I get.
He is the kind of victim's kin who makes it seem good that his son has been
removed from the gene pool.
BVendig
He's racist because he wants to see justice for the murder of his
beloved son? How so?
I can't believe how many people attack this guy. I don't care if he
does have an annoying personality, a funny mustache and no charisma.
He lost his son in a most horrific way and then watched the killer
make a mockery of our justice system and then get off scott free.
As far as I am concerned he has a right to whine and bitch and moan
and complain for as long and as loudly as he wants too. If I were in
his shoes I would do the same.
glas
***
well put!!!
Eric Saeger
glas wrote:
> I can't believe how many people attack this guy. I don't care if he
> does have an annoying personality, a funny mustache and no charisma.
He's always reminded me of that straight man from the three Stooges.
Y'know, saying "Hold hands, you love birds" and then getting bashed on
the head. But I've never said it. Of course til now. Aw, who cares.
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tribe
Brain Belt wrote:
>
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> UPN's premiere last week, ``Search for Justice with Fred Goldman,'' finished
> 114th and last in the ratings. The father of Ron Goldman, murdered along
> with O.J. Simpson's ex-wife, was host of a reality show on people who try to
> right wrongs in society.
>
> and being a racist.
I don't understand this reaction to Fred Goldman....his son
was murdered, the murederer got off and is bragging about
it. Fred is now a victim's rights advocate who openly shows
his emotions...(on cue??? What's this mean?) How does this
make him a racist? Talk about blaming the
victim.....---Tribe
Karen O'
When all else fails. The race card.
Karen O'
Maggie8097
Brain Belt said:
Fred Goldman isn't a victim. His son was a victim. Why do you want to
accord Fred Goldman special status?
***I hope this is your idea of a joke. Surely you realize that the parents,
children, siblings and others who love a murder victim are also victims of the
killer. The person who is murdered usually suffers for only a short time, but
those that are left behind suffer for the rest of their lives due to the
actions of the killer.
Or, if your child was murdered would you just say, "Too bad for her--but thank
God he didn't get me, too"?
Maggie
"I was going to buy a copy of "The Power of Positive Thinking," and then I
thought: What the hell good would that do?"--Ronnie Shakes
Maggie8097
The ineptly named Brain Belt said:
Right, Goldman was estranged from his son, said he didn't care about money,
he just wanted to get justice. And now that he sees this chance to make
money off his son's death he is suppose to be the outraged doting father?
***Get your facts straight. Goldman and his son were quite close. It was his
*mother* who was estranged from Ron--not his father.
LatherZap
I don't know where this stuff about Fred being a racist has come from.
Actually, I don't think many people (myself included) know anything about
Fred Goldman.
Yes, it is sad that his son was murdered- but I must admit that I am
amused that his show did so poorly in the ratings.
Carolyn
tribe wrote:
> >I don't understand this reaction to Fred Goldman....his son
> >was murdered, the murederer got off and is bragging about
> >it. Fred is now a victim's rights advocate who openly shows
> >his emotions...(on cue??? What's this mean?) How does this
> >make him a racist? Talk about blaming the
> >victim.....---Tribe
Alexandra wrote:
>
> I have no comment on the racist remark because I haven't heard it in
> context. Do I think Fred Goldman's son was murdered by OJ? Yes. Do I
> think he has the absolute ~right~ to be angry as hell? Absolutely.
> What bothers me about Goldman is that he seems to fight harder against
> victims' rights when the camera is on.
So -- you know this guy well enough to say what he is doing when the camera
is OFF?
I think that the reason he's
> doing what he's doing has more to do with trying to work out his own
> anger rather than working for altruistic reasons. Is that wrong? No.
> But if the situation was different; not getting the publicity to vent
> his anger towards OJ (while working for victims' rights) versus
> reaching those same goals in a more "behind the scenes" environment,
> then I'd say he would go for the camera. Everyday of the week......
You must know FG fairly well to come to this conclusion. Are you a
relative? Were you once a neighbor or co-worker? Have you perhaps asked
him to help with a victims' rights organization, and he refused because he
was overbooked or interested in a more public forum? What led you to
express this opinion? I really want to know, though I have to tell you, no
matter what the specifics are, I find it hard to think of Fred Goldman in
any but the most sympathetic way after what's he's gone through. To lose a
son in that way, and to see the killer walk away from it must be horrible.
Athene Fuex
Whether Fred Goldman is a racist here or not: it doesn't shrink the fact
that he lost his SON. Even, I believe, racists that lose their sons are
pretty upset.. He has a RIGHT to be upset. He lost his SON.. damnit.. and
he has the RIGHT to share his memory with us.
A
Brain Belt wrote in message <6i7h13$r...@chile.earthlink.net>...
>x-no-archive: yes
>glas wrote in message <6i74i4$gak$1...@supernews.com>...
>>Brain Belt wrote ...
>>|x-no-archive: yes
>>|
>>|UPN's premiere last week, ``Search for Justice with Fred Goldman,''
>>finished
>>|114th and last in the ratings. The father of Ron Goldman, murdered
>>along
>>|with O.J. Simpson's ex-wife, was host of a reality show on people who
>>try to
>>|right wrongs in society.
>>|
>>|As usual Fred is a bad salesman. Perhaps he should go back to crying
>>on cue
>>|and being a racist.
>>
>>
>>
>>He's racist because he wants to see justice for the murder of his
>>beloved son? How so?
>
>Fred Goldman has alledgedly made racist remarks about blacks.
>I won't repeat them here but suffice it to say he and Fuhrman are brothers
>in arms.
>
>>I can't believe how many people attack this guy. I don't care if he
>>does have an annoying personality, a funny mustache and no charisma.
>>He lost his son in a most horrific way and then watched the killer
>>make a mockery of our justice system and then get off scott free.
>
>Right, Goldman was estranged from his son, said he didn't care about money,
>he just wanted to get justice. And now that he sees this chance to make
>money off his son's death he is suppose to be the outraged doting father?
>
>I don't think so.
>
>>As far as I am concerned he has a right to whine and bitch and moan
>>and complain for as long and as loudly as he wants too. If I were in
>>his shoes I would do the same.
>
>
>He sure does, and others have the right to point out his racism and
>hypocrisy.
>
>He is a loser. Dead last in the ratings. He is a parasite.
>
>
>
tribe
Brain Belt wrote:
>
> x-no-archive: yes
> >Brain Belt wrote:
> >>
> >> x-no-archive: yes
> >>
> >> UPN's premiere last week, ``Search for Justice with Fred Goldman,''
> finished
> >> 114th and last in the ratings. The father of Ron Goldman, murdered along
> >> with O.J. Simpson's ex-wife, was host of a reality show on people who try
> to
> >> right wrongs in society.
> >>
> >> As usual Fred is a bad salesman. Perhaps he should go back to crying on
> cue
> >> and being a racist.
> >
> >was murdered, the murederer got off and is bragging about
> >it. Fred is now a victim's rights advocate who openly shows
> >his emotions...(on cue??? What's this mean?) How does this
> >make him a racist? Talk about blaming the
> >victim.....---Tribe
>
> accord Fred Goldman special status?
He is a victim....he lost his son to a murderer. Anyone who
is affected by a crime is a victim of that crime, IMO. I
understand HE was not murdered, but he is the one forced to
deal with the loss. ---Tribe
tribe
Alexandra wrote:
>
> On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:24:12 -0400, tribe <tr...@tiac.net> wrote:
>
> >I don't understand this reaction to Fred Goldman....his son
> >was murdered, the murederer got off and is bragging about
> >it. Fred is now a victim's rights advocate who openly shows
> >his emotions...(on cue??? What's this mean?) How does this
> >make him a racist? Talk about blaming the
> >victim.....---Tribe
>
> context. Do I think Fred Goldman's son was murdered by OJ? Yes. Do I
> think he has the absolute ~right~ to be angry as hell? Absolutely.
> What bothers me about Goldman is that he seems to fight harder against
> doing what he's doing has more to do with trying to work out his own
> anger rather than working for altruistic reasons. Is that wrong? No.
> But if the situation was different; not getting the publicity to vent
> his anger towards OJ (while working for victims' rights) versus
> reaching those same goals in a more "behind the scenes" environment,
> then I'd say he would go for the camera. Everyday of the week......
>
> Alexandra
> (Delete the spam-guard in address when responding by email)
> http://www.mindspring.com/~netck/index.htm
I'm not so sure it is so wrong for Goldman to be more
outspoken when the camera is on...seems like a very natural
thing to do. I think it's very unnatural to be scrutinizing
him and questioning his motives when we KNOW his son died at
the hands of a murderer and he has the spotlight and face
recognition to accompany it, and voices his outrage loudly
and emotionally for the sake of all other victims. ---Tribe
Suzanne Morine
Carl Jackson <c5...@yahoo.com> writes:
>What??..."crying on cue and being racist"?...Listen, meathead...until
>YOU lose a child in such a horrific way, you'd do best to keep your
>f**king mouth SHUT concerning how Fred Goldman -- or ANYONE ELSE --
>displays his or her grief!!!!!!
Yes, everyone has their own way. I suppose the orig. poster would
say John Walsh's efforts for for justice were all a sham, too. (JW's
little son went missing and JW hosted "America's Most Wanted" and surely
made money off it.) I think these people are doing good--what they can.
--
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smo...@nyx.net
Television Transcript Project:
http://www.nyx.net/~smorine/tvtp.htm
Hamilton
> >>
> >> As usual Fred is a bad salesman. Perhaps he should go back to crying on
> cue
> >> and being a racist.
> >
> >I don't understand this reaction to Fred Goldman....his son
> >was murdered, the murederer got off and is bragging about
> >it. Fred is now a victim's rights advocate who openly shows
> >his emotions...(on cue??? What's this mean?) How does this
> >make him a racist? Talk about blaming the
> >victim.....---Tribe
>
> Fred Goldman isn't a victim. His son was a victim. Why do you want to
> accord Fred Goldman special status?
You must not have children if you think the parents of a murdered
child are not 'victims' of that murder.
On the other hand -- I find it rather repulsive when people like
John Walsh and Fred Goldman try to make a career out of their
victimhood. Walsh in particular is shameless -- pretending to
want to right wrongs and yet hyping violence [e.g. his recent
Bonnie and Clyde hype about a couple of teen crooks] and glamorizing
it for ratings. He is helping create the society that took his
son.
k
Don Weinman
Brain Belt wrote in message <6i5f48$h...@chile.earthlink.net>...
>x-no-archive: yes
>
>UPN's premiere last week, ``Search for Justice with Fred Goldman,''
finished
>114th and last in the ratings. The father of Ron Goldman, murdered along
>with O.J. Simpson's ex-wife, was host of a reality show on people who try
to
>right wrongs in society.
>
>As usual Fred is a bad salesman. Perhaps he should go back to crying on
cue
>and being a racist.
Go back? When did he leave off?
DPW
Michael Higby
Suzanne Morine wrote:
>
> Carl Jackson <c5...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> >What??..."crying on cue and being racist"?...Listen, meathead...until
> >YOU lose a child in such a horrific way, you'd do best to keep your
> >f**king mouth SHUT concerning how Fred Goldman -- or ANYONE ELSE --
> >displays his or her grief!!!!!!
>
> Yes, everyone has their own way. I suppose the orig. poster would
> say John Walsh's efforts for for justice were all a sham, too. (JW's
> little son went missing and JW hosted "America's Most Wanted" and surely
> made money off it.) I think these people are doing good--what they can.
I wouldn't call Goldman a racist (especially since I don't know him nor
know what his views are), nor criticize his behaivor in the trial, since
he was reacting to his son's death.
But I can say this - I saw the first few minutes of this show, and quite
frankly, Fred Goldman is boring. I'm sorry he lost his son, but the guy
is not very charasmatic. I also think folks are tiring of these cheaply
produced Fox-type "reality" shows.
On the other hand, John Walsh is a natural and does a very good job
hosting America's Most Wanted. He's very articulate and dynamic and not
as stiff and boring as Fred.
I am not sure what the mission of Fred's show is, to find "justice."
Obviously you have two views of what "justice" is in the Simpson case.
Some people think justice was served, others don't.
On the other hand, Walsh's show is pretty clear. Find missing fugitives
who are accused of crimes. Either you find them or you don't. Not much
to debate there, pretty easy to focus on.
Michael Higby
Karen O' wrote:
> When all else fails. The race card.
Really. Especially when the boring card fits much better!
julesdlr
>
> Alexandra wrote:
> >
> > I have no comment on the racist remark because I haven't heard it in
> > context. Do I think Fred Goldman's son was murdered by OJ? Yes. Do I
> > think he has the absolute ~right~ to be angry as hell? Absolutely.
> > What bothers me about Goldman is that he seems to fight harder against
> > victims' rights when the camera is on.
Carolyn wrote:
> So -- you know this guy well enough to say what he is doing when the camera
> is OFF?
>
> I think that the reason he's
> > doing what he's doing has more to do with trying to work out his own
> > anger rather than working for altruistic reasons. Is that wrong? No.
> > But if the situation was different; not getting the publicity to vent
> > his anger towards OJ (while working for victims' rights) versus
> > reaching those same goals in a more "behind the scenes" environment,
> > then I'd say he would go for the camera. Everyday of the week......
>
> You must know FG fairly well to come to this conclusion. Are you a
> relative? Were you once a neighbor or co-worker? Have you perhaps asked
> him to help with a victims' rights organization, and he refused because he
> was overbooked or interested in a more public forum? What led you to
> express this opinion? I really want to know, though I have to tell you, no
> matter what the specifics are, I find it hard to think of Fred Goldman in
> any but the most sympathetic way after what's he's gone through. To lose a
> son in that way, and to see the killer walk away from it must be horrible.
Well it seems to me by your logic you must be Fred Goldman's neighbor,
relative, or co-worker to come to your conclusions. I don't know what
Alex is basing her opinions on but I agree with her based on an
interview Goldman gave to a local radio personality, Alex Bennett.
Goldman was speaking with great candor to Bennett when he suddenly
realized their interview was happening and not about to happen, i.e.,
Goldman didn't know he was on the air. Boy did he curse out Bennett (and
choked on the curses, too, so as not to tarnish his image). I think
Goldman is not a nice person. I think he's an opportunist. That doesn't
mean that he's not a victim of a terrible crime and it doesn't mean that
he doesn't do good work. I recieve quite a bit of charity from AIDS
organizations. I know that some people who contribute to these charities
don't give a rat's ass about me and contribute to advance socially. Do I
want to sit down to dinner with these people? NO. Thankfully, I don't
have to. Am I thankful that they give me support? HELL, YES! Who cares
why they do it as long as they do it. Same for Goldman. Life gave him
lemons. He's making lemonade. He's drinking the lemonade, but others get
to drink it too. (Pardon the hoary old cliche). If Goldman needs to hog
the limelight in order to do good work, let him hog the limelight. It's
not like the world has too much good work going on. But let's not kid
ourselves that the guy is humble, meek, or whatever other virtues you
want to slap on him.
Sincerely,
Jules
Lisa Swan
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:29:40 -0700, "Brain Belt" <b...@cranium.org>
wrote:
>Fred Goldman has alledgedly made racist remarks about blacks.
>I won't repeat them here but suffice it to say he and Fuhrman are brothers
>in arms.
Where did you hear/read this? I've never heard that, except from you.
>Right, Goldman was estranged from his son, said he didn't care about money,
>he just wanted to get justice. And now that he sees this chance to make
>money off his son's death he is suppose to be the outraged doting father?
>
>I don't think so.
And where did you get this info that he was "estranged from his son"?
That is not true. Ron Goldman's mother (and Fred's ex-wife) was
estranged from her son, but not Fred. He raised Ron and Kim after
their mother left the family.
Lisa
nancy mathews
Well, I didn't realize that was the Fred Goldman that was connected
with the OJ thing. I tried to watch the show as I was waiting to tape
Voyager for My Mark, but that show was horrid. They tried to build
suspense, out of pracitcally nothing. I found the whole thing incredibly
boring. Of course I must admit, I really don't like the 'reality shows'
and news magazine shows (except for 60 minutes occasionally).
Anyway, I'm not a real big Sentinel Fan, but I would have rather seen
that before Voyager rather than sit through another one of those 'reality
shows' Also I got the idea that this thing was all staged and not real
in the least. Maybe it was real but it was a real bore!
Nancy
nmat...@indiana.edu
Carl Jackson
Brain Belt wrote:
<snip>
> Fred Goldman has alledgedly made racist remarks about blacks.
> I won't repeat them here but suffice it to say he and Fuhrman are brothers
> in arms.
<snip>
And where did you get this bit of information, meathead?...This
African-American guy wants to know?
Carl
Carl Jackson
Brain Belt wrote:
> Fred Goldman isn't a victim. His son was a victim. Why do you want to
> accord Fred Goldman special status?
Then by the same token, I won't shed a tear for YOUR mother, YOUR
father, YOUR siblings, YOUR grandparents, YOUR friends and YOUR loved
ones if someone butchers YOU!!
You said it yourself...Why should all of your family and relatives be
accorded "special status"?? -- after all, their not the "victim".
Listen, meathead -- you are one cold-blooded sonabitch!! You need to
quickly get yourself some SENSITIVITY TRAINING...
Regardless of whether Fred Goldman is the most boring person on Earth,
SO WHAT!! Don't watch his show, don't watch interviews with and don't
read anything about Fred Goldman -- In other words, I suggest you
totally "Fred Goldman-proof" YOUR environment.
Insensitive jerk!!
Carl
(P.S. I apologize to everyone else in the newsgroups for my rage, but
it's just that I've lost loved ones and I can empathize with what Fred
Goldman and his family is going through. People like this meathead
Brian Belt really piss me off!).
That's private...
Hamilton <hami...@DNVN.com> wrote:
> On the other hand -- I find it rather repulsive when people like
> John Walsh and Fred Goldman try to make a career out of their
> victimhood. Walsh in particular is shameless -- pretending to
> want to right wrongs and yet hyping violence [e.g. his recent
> Bonnie and Clyde hype about a couple of teen crooks] and glamorizing
> it for ratings. He is helping create the society that took his
> son.
What you say is very twisted. John Walsh lost his son Adam in a very
horiffic way. The fact that he hosts a tv show that helps to *catch*
criminals is to be applauded and supported in every way. *So what* that
he earns a living from it? He's not a millionaire, leave him alone.
You want him or anyone else to work *for free*????! Would you do any
job FOR FREE and refuse compensation? Please get real.
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That's private... wrote:
>
> Hamilton <hami...@DNVN.com> wrote:
>
> > On the other hand -- I find it rather repulsive when people like
> > John Walsh and Fred Goldman try to make a career out of their
> > victimhood. Walsh in particular is shameless -- pretending to
> > want to right wrongs and yet hyping violence [e.g. his recent
> > Bonnie and Clyde hype about a
> > couple of teen crooks] and glamorizing
> > it for ratings. He is helping create the society that took his
> > son.
>
> What you say is very twisted.
> John Walsh lost his son Adam in a very
> horiffic way. The fact that he
> hosts a tv show that helps to *catch*
> criminals is to be applauded and
> supported in every way. *So what* that
> he earns a living from it?
> He's not a millionaire,
How do you know? In fact, he
might be a millionare.
> leave him alone.
> You want him or anyone else
> to work *for free*????! Would you do any
> job FOR FREE and refuse
> compensation? Please get real.
He could donate a large part of the money he
makes to a group which he supports if
he wishes to show that he's not doing
what he does just for the money.
deepf...@hotmail.com
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"Don Weinman" <d...@weinman.com> wrote:
>
>
> Brain Belt wrote in message <6i5f48$h...@chile.earthlink.net>...
> >x-no-archive: yes
> >
> >UPN's premiere last week, ``Search for Justice with Fred Goldman,''
> finished
> >114th and last in the ratings. The father of Ron Goldman, murdered along
> >with O.J. Simpson's ex-wife, was host of a reality show on people who try
> to
> >right wrongs in society.
> >
> cue
> >and being a racist.
>
> Go back? When did he leave off?
>
> DPW
>
>
Gee, if the only qualification for being a racist is the confirmed belief
that Orenthal is a lying sociopathic wife beating illiterate murderer
than I guess we DO live in a racist filled world...
But up till now I've actually relied on stronger evidence to support
that opinion...
Deep Fish out of Korea
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MO CAFEEN
So, Brain(less) Belt attacks Goldman, and Walsh gets thrown into the pot
somewhere along the lines, over making money because of their respective sons'
deaths. Well, I am *quite* certain that both Goldman and Walsh would gladly
give back every red cent they have earned from their endeavors, plus a buck or
two more to boot, in exchange for the return of their live sons. As soon as
you can arrange for that deal, Brainless, come back and visit us all and let us
know about it. 'Til then, go straight to hell, you self-important,
mean-spirited, presumpuous moron. And the horse you rode in on, too.
That's private...
Information Arcade Public Workstation <pub...@mail.lib.uiowa.edu> wrote:
> That's private... wrote:
> >
> > Hamilton <hami...@DNVN.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On the other hand -- I find it rather repulsive when people like
> > > John Walsh and Fred Goldman try to make a career out of their
> > > victimhood. Walsh in particular is shameless -- pretending to
> > > want to right wrongs and yet hyping violence [e.g. his recent
> > > Bonnie and Clyde hype about a
> > > couple of teen crooks] and glamorizing
> > > it for ratings. He is helping create the society that took his
> > > son.
> >
> > What you say is very twisted.
> > John Walsh lost his son Adam in a very
> > horiffic way. The fact that he
> > hosts a tv show that helps to *catch*
> > criminals is to be applauded and
> > supported in every way. *So what* that
> > he earns a living from it?
> > He's not a millionaire,
>
> How do you know? In fact, he
> might be a millionare.
Because he happened to mention once on the Montel show that right before
Fox and he made an agreement to do "America's Most Wanted", he was
totally bankrupt from spending all the $$$ to find his son and his son's
killer. They even took his home away, he had nothing left. And you
want to begrudge this guy a paycheck for doing one of the best
criminal-catching shows on the air???!! I sure don't. AFAIC, he
deserves every penny he gets.
> > leave him alone.
> > You want him or anyone else
> > to work *for free*????! Would you do any
> > job FOR FREE and refuse
> > compensation? Please get real.
>
> He could donate a large part of the money he
> makes to a group which he supports if
> he wishes to show that he's not doing
> what he does just for the money.
I'm sure he makes charitable donations of this kind to such
organizations--on a VOLUNTARY basis. I know for a fact that he is very
generous with his time in helping other victims--especially people who
have had children abducted. As for "large part of the money he makes"--
would you like someone to determine for you how much of your living
income is taken away or "donated"?!! Didn't think so.
tribe
Brain Belt wrote:
>
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> >> Fred Goldman isn't a victim. His son was a victim. Why do you want to
> >> accord Fred Goldman special status?
> >
> >is affected by a crime is a victim of that crime, IMO. I
> >understand HE was not murdered, but he is the one forced to
> >deal with the loss. ---Tribe
>
>
> Fred Goldman is no victim. Except by how he lets Simpson control Goldman's
> emotions. Goldman is one sick racist.
I didn't know I had to spell it out so damn specifically,
Brain....anyone who is DIRECTLY affected by crime is a
victim of thatt crime. Fred Goldman was directly affected,
and is a victim. Race never even enters into this picture,
except by those grasping at straws, like you. When all logic
fails, play the race game......pathetic. ---Tribe
Carl Jackson
Information Arcade Public Workstation wrote:
> He could donate a large part of the money he
> makes to a group which he supports if
> he wishes to show that he's not doing
> what he does just for the money.
Do you have any proof that John Walsh ISN'T donating any of his earnings
"to a group which he supports"??...
Carl
Maggie8097
Brain Belt wrote:
My family was killed by a drunk driver. Both parents and two brothers. I
know where I come from on this issue. Fred Goldman is a sick person. What
is it now, four years after his son was killed and he is still mourning? He
need professional psychological counseling.
***I feel sure he's gotten it.
Brain Belt said:
He can't bring his son back. He can't harm Simpson.
***Oh, but he can. He can. He can take OJ's next, what?, $30 million or so.
He can follow OJ around for the rest of his life, making sure that OJ never
makes a substantial purchase without having to justify it to him--in court.
What incredible satisfaction I bet this gives him. And me.
Brain Belt said:
He
is unhappy and Simpson is causing it and Simpson doesn't even care about
hurting Goldman.
***Well, yes.
Brain Belt said:
Goldman wants to be unhappy. He wants to be angry. If he wants to be happy
then he needs to get over this and go on with his life and quit the
vicarious racist attempts and getting even with Simpson.
***Actually, you are the only one around here who seems particularly angry.
Maybe you should just let this go. So you can be happy, I mean. Why in the
world do you care if Fred Goldman is unhappy, anyway?
Lo52964
> tribe <tr...@tiac.net> writes
>I didn't know I had to spell it out so damn specifically,
>Brain....anyone who is DIRECTLY affected by crime is a
>victim of thatt crime. Fred Goldman was directly affected,
>and is a victim. Race never even enters into this picture,
>except by those grasping at straws, like you. When all logic
>ils, play the race game......pathetic.
I notice no one challanged my logical post.
>glas" <gl...@donet.com> writes
>I can't believe how many people attack this guy. I don't care if he
>does have an annoying personality, a funny mustache and no charisma.
>He lost his son in a most horrific way and then watched the killer
>make a mockery of our justice system and then get off scott free.
>
>As far as I am concerned he has a right to whine and bitch and moan
>and complain for as long and as loudly as he wants too. If I were in
>his shoes I would do the same.
It was the LA cops and DAs who made a mockery of justice. OJ just had the
money and lawyers to take advantage of that fact.
Nobody gets the right to be uncivilized unless they show me the MRI with the
brain damage. If Goldman wishes to act that way, let him go somewhere where
they aren't civilized. Yes, close has happened to me, I helped the DA and
the witnesses. I know the system ( see my motto) and that helped. I did
not make a public ass of myself and I am not living off the Not Guilty accused.
That's why I don't like Goldman and will denounce him every chance I get.
He is the kind of victim's kin who makes it seem good that his son has been
removed from the gene pool.
" Don't talk to me about justice, it is bad enough to be mixed up with the
law."
LO5 2964
Carolyn
julesdlr replies to my response to the person who says Fred Goldman is more
interested in being in the limelight than in doing good works. I ask:
> > You must know FG fairly well to come to this conclusion. Are you a
> > relative? Were you once a neighbor or co-worker? Have you perhaps
asked
> > him to help with a victims' rights organization, and he refused because
he
> > was overbooked or interested in a more public forum? What led you to
> > express this opinion? I really want to know, though I have to tell
you, no
> > matter what the specifics are, I find it hard to think of Fred Goldman
in
> > any but the most sympathetic way after what's he's gone through. To
lose a
> > son in that way, and to see the killer walk away from it must be
horrible.
Jules sez:
>
> Well it seems to me by your logic you must be Fred Goldman's neighbor,
> relative, or co-worker to come to your conclusions.
What, I need to be a coworker or friend to feel sympathy for a man who has
lost his son and sees the murderer walk away? I don't think so.
I don't know what
> Alex is basing her opinions on but I agree with her based on an
> interview Goldman gave to a local radio personality, Alex Bennett.
> Goldman was speaking with great candor to Bennett when he suddenly
> realized their interview was happening and not about to happen, i.e.,
> Goldman didn't know he was on the air. Boy did he curse out Bennett (and
> choked on the curses, too, so as not to tarnish his image).
I guess I'd have felt the same way as Goldman. I think it's not fair to
mislead somebody into thinking they are not on the air when they are. For
one thing, an interviewee knows there's a limited amount of time to get his
message across, and he doesn't want to waste it in non-essentials. He also
wants to present the best side of himself.
I think
> Goldman is not a nice person. I think he's an opportunist.
What do you mean by this? There are opportunists, and then there are
opportunists. Many people deal with tragedies in their lives by becoming
activists. For example, relatives and friends of AIDS patients have banded
together and used their relationships with these loved people to promote
more money for AIDS research. Is that opportunism? Maybe so, but only in
the very best way.
That doesn't
> mean that he's not a victim of a terrible crime and it doesn't mean that
> he doesn't do good work.
So, We agree that he may be doing good work, right?
I recieve quite a bit of charity from AIDS
> organizations. I know that some people who contribute to these charities
> don't give a rat's ass about me and contribute to advance socially. Do I
> want to sit down to dinner with these people? NO. Thankfully, I don't
> have to. Am I thankful that they give me support? HELL, YES! Who cares
> why they do it as long as they do it. Same for Goldman. Life gave him
> lemons. He's making lemonade. He's drinking the lemonade, but others get
> to drink it too. (Pardon the hoary old cliche). If Goldman needs to hog
> the limelight in order to do good work, let him hog the limelight.
Seems like you are changing your mind about Goldman.
It's
> not like the world has too much good work going on. But let's not kid
> ourselves that the guy is humble, meek, or whatever other virtues you
> want to slap on him.
I don't think anybody here is slapping virtues on Goldman. We are awed at
his ability to survive this tragedy -- an ongoing tragedy, IMO. Imagine --
not only is the murderer free and happy, but he's not anonymous. Impossible
to get away from him! Hear about him, see glimpses of his smiling face on
the evening news! Awful!
Carolyn
Alexandra sez, to my question does she know Fred Goldman --
>
> Do I? No. Do I have a close relative who has directly dealt with him
> extensively for interviews and radio shows across the country? Yes.
Tell us more! We want to know the real scoop! Don't just hint about how
bad this guy is -- give us details! Does he insist on a chauffered
limousine? Does he always want big speaking fees? What is it that you have
as the basis for your contention that Fred just wants to milk the murder
for as much fame as he can get?
I say:
> >You must know FG fairly well to come to this conclusion. Are you a
> >relative? Were you once a neighbor or co-worker? Have you perhaps
asked
> >him to help with a victims' rights organization, and he refused because
he
> >was overbooked or interested in a more public forum? What led you to
> >express this opinion?
Alexandra replies:
>
> So what you're saying is you don't give a shit about anybody's opinion
> but your own. (Me thinks somebody has an agenda who chooses to work it
> out through angry discourse.) Tsk, tsk.....
My reply to this:
So what you're saying is you don't give a shit about anybody's opinion but
your own. (Methinks somebody has an agenda and is choosing to work it out
through angry and UNINFORMED discourse.)
I never call anybody names on this ng, but I'm going to make an exception
for you, YOU TWIT!
Marley Greiner
>Carl
Exactly. John Walsh or anybody else is not compelled by law to disclose what
he does with his his money. Much private charity is given quietly or
anonomously.
Marley
That's private...
Brain Belt <b...@cranium.org> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
> That's private... wrote in message
> <1998042914...@slip129-37-241-149.wa.us.ibm.net>...
> >Hamilton <hami...@DNVN.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On the other hand -- I find it rather repulsive when people like
> >> John Walsh and Fred Goldman try to make a career out of their
> >> victimhood. Walsh in particular is shameless -- pretending to
> >> want to right wrongs and yet hyping violence [e.g. his recent
> >> Bonnie and Clyde hype about a couple of teen crooks] and glamorizing
> >> it for ratings. He is helping create the society that took his
> >> son.
> >
> >What you say is very twisted. John Walsh lost his son Adam in a very
> >horiffic way. The fact that he hosts a tv show that helps to *catch*
> >criminals is to be applauded and supported in every way. *So what* that
> >he earns a living from it? He's not a millionaire, leave him alone.
> >You want him or anyone else to work *for free*????! Would you do any
> >job FOR FREE and refuse compensation? Please get real.
>
> The problem with Walsh and his entertainment show is his claim of capturing
> 200-300 fugitives. This of course is a stretch.
Not a stretch at all. By now, over 400 have been caught. You got proof
to substantiate otherwise?!
People watch the show, they recognize and remember where they've seen
the people shown, they call in, and the people (who otherwise would
continue to flee) get apprehended. What's so difficult to understand
about how this works?!
> Also his show has not and cannot significantly deter crime or even
> significantly reduce the crime rate since there are over 300,000 current
> fugitives in the US. so that is what 0.1% of all fugitives in almost 10
> years.
>
> His show is fluff, no stuff.
I have no idea how many real "fugitives" there are in the U.S. But
AFAIC, every single one of them that "America's Most Wanted" helps
capture is one more off the streets than was there before. And that's a
good thing. You got a *better* idea how to capture these people?--then
submit it to Fox and we'll all watch YOUR show. Otherwise, don't
criticize.
Jeff Jones
Brain Belt wrote:
> Fred Goldman is no victim.
You don't consider a man who loses his son in a senseless, brutal attack
a victim?
> Except by how he lets Simpson control Goldman's
> emotions. Goldman is one sick racist.
I suppose he's a racist because Simpson happens to be black. Tell me,
if John Elway murdered two black people, would the victims' parents be
racist if they sued him for wrongful death?
More importantly, let's assume you have a son and OJ Simpson murders him
(what's one more to a double-murderer?). How hard would you fight to
see justice prevail?
Hamilton
In article <199804291...@w674al.wa.us.ibm.net>, no...@nowhere.com
(That's private...) wrote:
> Information Arcade Public Workstation <pub...@mail.lib.uiowa.edu> wrote:
>
> > That's private... wrote:
> > >
> > > Hamilton <hami...@DNVN.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On the other hand -- I find it rather repulsive when people like
> > > > John Walsh and Fred Goldman try to make a career out of their
> > > > victimhood. Walsh in particular is shameless -- pretending to
> > > > want to right wrongs and yet hyping violence [e.g. his recent
> > > > Bonnie and Clyde hype about a
> > > > couple of teen crooks] and glamorizing
> > > > it for ratings. He is helping create the society that took his
> > > > son.
> > >
> > > What you say is very twisted.
> > > John Walsh lost his son Adam in a very
> > > horiffic way. The fact that he
> > > hosts a tv show that helps to *catch*
> > > criminals is to be applauded and
> > > supported in every way. *So what* that
> > > he earns a living from it?
> > > He's not a millionaire,
No idea about his bank account but I accidentally caught
his show the other day. It glorified crime and violence
with all this stupid hype about Bonnie and clyde -- it
was as exploitive as anything I have seen on TV. I think
a man who lives off a personal tragedy is kind of creepy -
but there is some rationale if you can argue he is
'doing good' by catching criminals. That show was pure
exploitation -- It lowered my opinion of Walsh even another
notch. He is also one of the primary vectors [or so I
have read] of the wildly inflated statistics on child
abduction that we read everywhere. The kind of thing
that happened to his child is not epidemic or rampant --
but very rare -- and it wouldn't hae happened to him if
the child hadn't been left alone for an extended period
in a public place -- he has tried to make an industry out
of the idea that there are people lurking everywhere to
snatch up our children. Maybe this makes him feel better
about the horror of his loss -- it wasn't malignant fate
or negligence but rather part of a 'hidden epidemic' -- but
it has unnecessarily made parents all over the US
hysterical. Look at the milk cartons some time -- most of
these kids are involved in custody disputes or are runaways.
The Polly Klaass, Adam Walshs and Etan Patzs of the world are
very rare -- terrible -- but rare.
darkstar
>> He's not a millionaire,
Despite all the troubles he and his wife stayed together and have had I
believe 3 more children. They got through all the difficulties and saw a
way to believe in life again. That in my book is better than a
millionaire.
michelle
Alexandra wrote:
>
> On 30 Apr 1998 12:19:11 GMT, "Carolyn" <Car...@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
> All I replied to was Goldman's demeanor "on camera" and off. Now if
> you had responded to what I said without having an adolescent hissy
> fit, I would have taken your comments in kind and responded to them.
> You have no desire to understand what I think of Goldman's incentive
> for doing what he's doing in regards to the tragedy which has befallen
> him and his family. All you want to do is rephrase what I have said
> because you have no talent for an original discussion of ideas and
> thoughts.
>
> >I never call anybody names on this ng, but I'm going to make an exception
> >for you, YOU TWIT!
> >
> You twit? You TWIT?
> Now if you had called me a dimwitted, pretentious, haughty, malicious,
> pedantic buffoon who is incapable of anything but Hudibrastic prose,
> ~then~ I might take offense....:)
> And Carolyn? Check your headers. "This newsgroup", may be "that
> newsgroup". You ain't in Kansas anymore....oh my!
>
> Kisses,
> Alexandra
>
> "Wow, you're a weirdo. Have a stale cookie and then leave, okay?"
> -Barb
ROFLMAO! Alex, I do believe you are becoming kind in your old age.
This is the kind of respond you get when someone crossposts between
newsgroups and happens to wander into ASG. Damn right she's not in
Kansas anymore. "Away with you before a house falls on you too!"
MO CAFEEN
>He is also one of the primary vectors [or so I
>have read] of the wildly inflated statistics on child
>abduction that we read everywhere. The kind of thing
>that happened to his child is not epidemic or rampant --
>but very rare
I don't know what *you* have read, but all of the statistics that I ever see
fully acknowlege that most child abductions are by parents. Yes, what happened
to Walsh is rare; I don't think anyone has denied that.
> -- and it wouldn't hae happened to him if
>the child hadn't been left alone for an extended period
>in a public place -
How sad that we have reached the point where a child is abducted from a mall
and we blame the parents for letting the child get out of arm's reach for a
moment, rather than be infuriated that these predators are walking our malls.
Oh, and BTW, I wonder if the *reason* these incidents are as rare as they are
is because we parents have learned that our children cannot be allowed to enjoy
the same freedoms that we did as kids. In all likelihood they *would* happen
with much greater frequency if it were not for the John Walshes of the world
warning us.
FaithIsAll
.>hami...@DNVN.com (Hamilton) wrote:
<snipped>
> The kind of thing that happened to his child is not epidemic or >rampant -
been left alone for an extended period
>of the idea that there are people lurking everywhere to
>snatch up our children. Maybe this makes him feel better
>about the horror of his loss -- it wasn't malignant fate
>or negligence but rather part of a 'hidden epidemic' -- but
>it has unnecessarily made parents all over the US
>hysterical.
I see.....out of one side of your mouth you're saying that child snatching is
very rare, and out of the other side you're saying that his child wouldn't have
been snatched if he hadn't been left alone.
So from this I gather that the only time we should get worried about our
children being snatched is if they're alone!
I'll worry MUCH less now.
Madelyn
<snipped>
"It is not best to use our morals weekdays, it gets them out of repair for
Sunday."
Mark Twain
Martha Sprowles
MO CAFEEN wrote:
>
> >He is also one of the primary vectors [or so I
> >have read] of the wildly inflated statistics on child
> >abduction that we read everywhere. The kind of thing
> >that happened to his child is not epidemic or rampant --
> >but very rare
>
> I don't know what *you* have read, but all of the statistics that I ever see
> fully acknowlege that most child abductions are by parents. Yes, what happened
> to Walsh is rare; I don't think anyone has denied that.
>
> >the child hadn't been left alone for an extended period
>
> How sad that we have reached the point where a child is abducted from a mall
> and we blame the parents for letting the child get out of arm's reach for a
> moment, rather than be infuriated that these predators are walking our malls.
> Oh, and BTW, I wonder if the *reason* these incidents are as rare as they are
> is because we parents have learned that our children cannot be allowed to enjoy
> the same freedoms that we did as kids. In all likelihood they *would* happen
> with much greater frequency if it were not for the John Walshes of the world
> warning us.
I think this is the scariest thing about the Adam Walsh, Megan Kanka,
Johnny Grosch, Polly Klaas, and yes, even the JonBenét Ramsey cases:
These parents (assuming the Ramseys are not guilty) did nothing wrong;
their kids were in danger, and they didn't know it. I read about crime
stories like these, and the children abducted by the Moor murderers,
where kids were snatched from a neighborhood carnival, and I shudder.
Until Adam Walsh, who would have thought it would be dangerous to allow
your kid to play at the video game display while you were in another
part of the store? Who would have imagined a kidnapper would invade
your daughter's slumber party, at your own home? Who would have
imagined a paperboy would be grabbed and disappear? It isn't merely
that the children of today cannot enjoy the freedom (and sometimes the
freedom I enjoyed was dangerous) we did as kids, but also that we as
parents can't begin to imagine which situations may turn out to be
deadly for our children.
Martha
Terry Hallinan
"Brain Belt" <b...@cranium.org> wrote:
>x-no-archive: yes
>UPN's premiere last week, ``Search for Justice with Fred Goldman,'' finished
>114th and last in the ratings. The father of Ron Goldman, murdered along
>with O.J. Simpson's ex-wife, was host of a reality show on people who try to
>right wrongs in society.
>As usual Fred is a bad salesman. Perhaps he should go back to crying on cue
>and being a racist.
Sure great to have a real racist visit us. Tell us, please, do you
wear black sheets or do you just make do with white ones like your
white brothers when you burn crosses?
Best, Terry
"Positive - Being wrong at the top of one's lungs"
- The Devil's Dictionary
Terry Hallinan
smo...@nyx.nyx.net (Suzanne Morine) wrote:
>Carl Jackson <c5...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>What??..."crying on cue and being racist"?...Listen, meathead...until
>>YOU lose a child in such a horrific way, you'd do best to keep your
>>f**king mouth SHUT concerning how Fred Goldman -- or ANYONE ELSE --
>>displays his or her grief!!!!!!
>Yes, everyone has their own way. I suppose the orig. poster would
>say John Walsh's efforts for for justice were all a sham, too. (JW's
>little son went missing and JW hosted "America's Most Wanted" and surely
>made money off it.) I think these people are doing good--what they can.
The original poster is brain damaged by his own racism but I would
like to congratulate you on your clairvoyance, Suzanne.
By golly if posters didn't come out to condemn John Walsh too. What
swamp do these beasts inhabit?
>--
>Suzanne Morine
>smo...@nyx.net
>Television Transcript Project:
>http://www.nyx.net/~smorine/tvtp.htm
Terry Hallinan
Carl Jackson <c5...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Brain Belt wrote:
><snip>
>> Fred Goldman has alledgedly made racist remarks about blacks.
>> I won't repeat them here but suffice it to say he and Fuhrman are brothers
>> in arms.
>And where did you get this bit of information, meathead?...This
>African-American guy wants to know?
>Carl
It would hardly surprise me, Carl, if Fred Goldman struck out in his
grief at all African-Americans. I have heard such charges but I have
seen nothing - repeat nothing - that substantiates any such thing.
I condemn all racism and would not condone it even from Fred Goldman.
But I think anyone might be able to understand why one would strike
out blindly in such a way. Well I mean except for those blinded by
hate like Brain Belt.
Fuhrman, alleged genocidal racist, once worked overtime to free a
black man of a murder charge after he had arrested him for murder. He
just felt he was innocent.
Fuhrman was no racist. He made a fictional tape for a playright.
Fuhrman was victimized by racists like Brain Belt.
Thanks, Carl. I have lost family and friends to murder too. Even if
one had no such experience it is incredible that anyone could not
empathize even with someone they despised.
Annette Moore
Someone I lost track of said:
> > > > John Walsh lost his son Adam in a very
> > > > horiffic way. The fact that he
> > > > hosts a tv show that helps to *catch*
> > > > criminals is to be applauded and
> > > > supported in every way. *So what* that
> > > > he earns a living from it?
and then <hamilton-300...@dial054.vanderbilt.edu>,
hami...@DNVN.com (Hamilton) added:
> I accidentally caught
> his show the other day. It glorified crime and violence
> with all this stupid hype about Bonnie and clyde -- it
> was as exploitive as anything I have seen on TV.
Geez, where have I been. I missed these shows completely.
Crime, violence and sleazy hype! Sounds great to me...what network is it
on? It must be pretty bad; everyone seems to be either defending Goldman
as a quasi-saint or trashing him as the spawn of the devil or saying they
tuned in "accidentally". Kinda like Dr. Laura....
Sounds like my kind of show!
Blurry
That's private...
Hamilton <hami...@DNVN.com> wrote:
> In article <199804291...@w674al.wa.us.ibm.net>, no...@nowhere.com
> (That's private...) wrote:
> > > > What you say is very twisted.
> > > > John Walsh lost his son Adam in a very
> > > > horiffic way. The fact that he
> > > > hosts a tv show that helps to *catch*
> > > > criminals is to be applauded and
> > > > supported in every way. *So what* that
> > > > he earns a living from it?
> > > > He's not a millionaire,
>
>
>
> No idea about his bank account but I accidentally caught
> his show the other day. It glorified crime and violence
> with all this stupid hype about Bonnie and clyde -- it
> was as exploitive as anything I have seen on TV. I think
> a man who lives off a personal tragedy is kind of creepy -
> but there is some rationale if you can argue he is
> 'doing good' by catching criminals. That show was pure
> exploitation -- It lowered my opinion of Walsh even another
> notch. He is also one of the primary vectors [or so I
> have read] of the wildly inflated statistics on child
> abduction that we read everywhere. The kind of thing
> that happened to his child is not epidemic or rampant --
> but very rare
Really. Who cares if it's one child or one thousand--each one is
important enough to make it an issue about. Just because a problem is
not "rampant" deems it not worth caring about by you??? How sad.
> -- and it wouldn't hae happened to him if
> the child hadn't been left alone for an extended period
> in a public place
You need to have your facts straightened. His child was NOT left for
"an extended period in a public place." His mother was looking at
something in a Sears store and the child was attracted to a nearby
counter which had the latest in video games. The entire "abduction"
took *less than* a couple of minutes, literally when the mother's back
was turned.
>-- he has tried to make an industry
"Make an industry"??? I think not. You would think from your message
that no child had ever been abducted before. Ridiculous.
> out
> of the idea that there are people lurking everywhere to
> snatch up our children. Maybe this makes him feel better
> about the horror of his loss -- it wasn't malignant fate
> or negligence but rather part of a 'hidden epidemic' -- but
> it has unnecessarily made parents all over the US
> hysterical. Look at the milk cartons some time -- most of
> these kids are involved in custody disputes or are runaways.
> The Polly Klaass, Adam Walshs and Etan Patzs of the world are
> very rare -- terrible -- but rare.
The justification for your rationale makes me ill. And I am a single
person with no children.
Carolyn
Alexandra sez:
> You twit? You TWIT?
> Now if you had called me a dimwitted, pretentious, haughty, malicious,
> pedantic buffoon who is incapable of anything but Hudibrastic prose,
> ~then~ I might take offense....:)
Sorry, I'm just not that high falutin. You'll have to go elsewhere for
your elegant insults.
kry...@excaliber.net
On 4/30/98 4:12PM, in message
<199804301...@slip129-37-106-131.wa.us.ibm.net>, That's private...
<no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
> Really. Who cares if it's one child or one thousand--each one is
> important enough to make it an issue about. Just because a problem is
> not "rampant" deems it not worth caring about by you??? How sad.
>
> > -- and it wouldn't hae happened to him if
> > the child hadn't been left alone for an extended period
> > in a public place
>
> You need to have your facts straightened. His child was NOT left for
> "an extended period in a public place." His mother was looking at
> something in a Sears store and the child was attracted to a nearby
> counter which had the latest in video games. The entire "abduction"
> took *less than* a couple of minutes, literally when the mother's back
> was turned.
>
In actuality, a Sears security guard forced Adam out of the store with
several older kids who were acting up in the toy dep't. He was abducted
outside. The Walsh's sued Sears and settled for an undisclosed amount.
Krystal
Information Arcade Public Workstation
Carl Jackson wrote:
> Information Arcade Public Workstation wrote:
>
> > He could donate a large part of the money he
> > makes to a group which he supports if
> > he wishes to show that he's not doing
> > what he does just for the money.
>
> Do you have any proof that John Walsh
> ISN'T donating any of his earnings
> "to a group which he supports"??...
Uh, no. So what's your point?
Lo52964
Everybody writes
Yadada yadada
I have seen a lot of death. An Irish wake with the corpse laid out on a
brass bed and folks laughing, drinking and telling stories. That may be
healther than the Brit stiff upper lip which I like. A man hanged. War.
The autopsy room, in use. Italian grandmothers throwing themselves on
coffins, it is disgusting, but they are kind of fun to peel off.
I say, everyone greeves differently. As long as they keep it
private, whatever they do, I say,"God Bless 'em, I hope that it helps."
When they come into the public media , I get to judge them.
I judged Jackie Kennedy and found her great.
I judged Fred Goldman and found him wanting.
John Walsh is a harder case. The way he has turned his life around and
made a silk purse out of a sows ear is great. He does whine sometimes, and I
am sure that the producers on his show try to get the "victims" to act like the
Madi's followers on Hashish, it makes better pictures. Some victims, to
their credit, don't. Walsh is like most of us, a semi dork when he gets
mixed up with the media. I have no final verdict, but I have stopped
watching his shoe because of the "fight back " concept and all the ranting and
whining.
No one has commented on my earlier posts on this this thread, I guess they
were too sensable.
Carl Jackson
I pray to Almighty God -- if there is one -- that YOU go through
EVERYTHING Fred Goldman has gone through and continues to go through and
maybe THEN you'll learn empathy...
Carl
Samuel Bethune wrote:
>
> Brain Belt wrote in message <6i5f48$h...@chile.earthlink.net>...
> >x-no-archive: yes
> >
> >UPN's premiere last week, ``Search for Justice with Fred Goldman,''
> finished
> >114th and last in the ratings. The father of Ron Goldman, murdered along
> >with O.J. Simpson's ex-wife, was host of a reality show on people who try
> to
> >right wrongs in society.
> >
> >As usual Fred is a bad salesman. Perhaps he should go back to crying on
> cue
> >and being a racist.
>
> In short, he's used up his 15 minutes of fame, and most of us got tired of
> hearing his conjured-up rage anyway.
Welldunne
>Everybody writes
>
> Yadada yadada
>
> I say, everyone greeves differently. As long as they keep it
>private, whatever they do, I say,"God Bless 'em, I hope that it helps."
>When they come into the public media , I get to judge them.
> I judged Jackie Kennedy and found her great.
> I judged Fred Goldman and found him wanting.
> John Walsh is a harder case. The way he has turned his life around and
>made a silk purse out of a sows ear is great. He does whine sometimes, and
>I
>am sure that the producers on his show try to get the "victims" to act like
>the
>Madi's followers on Hashish, it makes better pictures. Some victims, to
>their credit, don't. Walsh is like most of us, a semi dork when he gets
>mixed up with the media. I have no final verdict, but I have stopped
>watching his shoe because of the "fight back " concept and all the ranting
>and
>whining.
>
> No one has commented on my earlier posts on this this thread, I guess they
>were too sensable.
>
>
Not that my cable company gives me the option, but I would no more watch the
Fred Goldman Show than I would watch The Nanny. Fred *is* a bigger whiner than
Fran .
And they both seem to play one-note characters on TV.
I wonder how the Goldman daughter feels. Alive, she seems to be worth less than
the dead son to their father. Or to *mean* less to her dad. Dead Ron gets all
the attention.
But back to the show: Being the surviving parent of a murdered son may make one
sympathetic or even newsworthy, but it doesn't necessarily make one
entertaining. Or an "authority" on Crime Today. So it's no surprise that the
Goldman show did poorly in the ratings.
Like Walsh, Goldman seems to have constructed a career on the bit of
celebrityhood he acquired as a result of his son's well-publicized murder.
Just my opinion -- that's sorta creepy.
John Walsh and his ludicrous self-importance ("We'll catch these criminals
tonight!") versus Fred Goldman and his bottomless self-pity -- a pox of low
ratings on both their shows!
I'll take Judge Judy and Ed Koch.
cen0...@centuryinter.net
tribe <tr...@tiac.net> wrote:
>Brain Belt wrote:
>>
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> UPN's premiere last week, ``Search for Justice with Fred Goldman,'' finished
>> 114th and last in the ratings. The father of Ron Goldman, murdered along
>> with O.J. Simpson's ex-wife, was host of a reality show on people who try to
>> right wrongs in society.
>>
>>
UPN appears on a translator in my market. The rest of the shows are
geared to young or black audiences. Putting Fred on UPN was a reach
anyway, the network is barely alive, with WB kicking ass with Buffy
and Dawson Creek, there is little audience left for poor Fred.
Mike Rice
BVendig
then he needs to get over this and go on with his life and quit the
vicarious racist attempts and getting even with Simpson.
***
there's nothing racist about wanting revenge from the person who killed your
child. I don't see anything vicarious about it either.
Are you sure you understand the meaning of these words?
betty
cen0...@centuryinter.net
no...@nowhere.com (That's private...) wrote:
>What you say is very twisted. John Walsh lost his son Adam in a very
>horiffic way. The fact that he hosts a tv show that helps to *catch*
>criminals is to be applauded and supported in every way. *So what* that
>he earns a living from it? He's not a millionaire, leave him alone.
>You want him or anyone else to work *for free*????! Would you do any
>job FOR FREE and refuse compensation? Please get real.
>--
>So many DVD movies to watch, so little time....
>Still hooked on VHS? You don't know what you're missing!
I don't have any great regard for Walsh's past, despite his loss of a
child. He is now just another media celebrity, the reason for his
media annointment having disappeared in the TV ethos some years
ago. ( Does anyone remember that Dr. Joyce Brothers came to fame
by being an alledged expert on boxing on the $64,000 Question 42
years ago?) There's an angry woman behind the Mothers Against Drunk
Drivers (MADD) also, but the organization mainly pushes hysteria in
Congress and state legislatures. Pushing the national standard for
legal drunkeness down to .08 will finally drive those of us who can
still readily pass a balloon test any old time, to stay home with the
people who like to have three drinks in a tavern and have been
starying home since the original MADD campaign. The real drunks
who cause problems and deaths on the highways are unmoved
by any punishment. They drive without licenses and move to other
states to continue operating their vehicles. The hysteria of MADD
and other organizations has only helped fill already overcrowded
county jails with people who are not really a problem on the roadways.
The real accident-prone drinkers would never let anything like a law
stop them from doing their drunken duty.
Mike Rice
P.S. Walsh, Goldman, Schwartzkoph, C. EDward Koop and all the
civilian broadcasters back to Joe Garagiola and Sandy Koufax are
just temporary fodder tossed to the salivating audiences sitting
around the modern gladitorial arena known as Television. None of
them are supposed to last long, but Walsh has a little talent. Fox
tried to cancel his show once, but there was a political response to
that from the audience, that has given AMW a second life.
cen0...@centuryinter.net
"Don Weinman" <d...@weinman.com> wrote:
>Brain Belt wrote in message <6i5f48$h...@chile.earthlink.net>...
>>x-no-archive: yes
>>
>>UPN's premiere last week, ``Search for Justice with Fred Goldman,''
>finished
>>114th and last in the ratings. The father of Ron Goldman, murdered along
>>with O.J. Simpson's ex-wife, was host of a reality show on people who try
>to
>>right wrongs in society.
>>
>>As usual Fred is a bad salesman. Perhaps he should go back to crying on
>cue
>>and being a racist.
>Go back? When did he leave off?
>DPW
You know UPN is so obscure, finding Fred's show is probably
pretty difficult. Perhaps just a TV version of Where's Waldo
with a real-life person! Why don't they call it In Search of Fred
Goldman, it might stir more interest?
Mike Rice
cen0...@centuryinter.net
"Brain Belt" <b...@cranium.org> wrote:
>x-no-archive: yes
>That's private... wrote in message
><1998042914...@slip129-37-241-149.wa.us.ibm.net>...
>>Hamilton <hami...@DNVN.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On the other hand -- I find it rather repulsive when people like
>>> John Walsh and Fred Goldman try to make a career out of their
>>> victimhood. Walsh in particular is shameless -- pretending to
>>> want to right wrongs and yet hyping violence [e.g. his recent
>>> Bonnie and Clyde hype about a couple of teen crooks] and glamorizing
>>> it for ratings. He is helping create the society that took his
>>> son.
>>
>>What you say is very twisted. John Walsh lost his son Adam in a very
>>horiffic way. The fact that he hosts a tv show that helps to *catch*
>>criminals is to be applauded and supported in every way. *So what* that
>>he earns a living from it? He's not a millionaire, leave him alone.
>>You want him or anyone else to work *for free*????! Would you do any
>>job FOR FREE and refuse compensation? Please get real.
>The problem with Walsh and his entertainment show is his claim of capturing
>200-300 fugitives. This of course is a stretch.
>Also his show has not and cannot significantly deter crime or even
>significantly reduce the crime rate since there are over 300,000 current
>fugitives in the US. so that is what 0.1% of all fugitives in almost 10
>years.
>His show is fluff, no stuff.
Walsh's show hyped an alledged railroad hobo killer who was then
picked up in La Crosse, Wisconsin, near me, a few days later. Despite
all the America's Most Wanted Hype that this guy was one of the most
dangerous killers in America, they let the man walk a week later. I
wrote a letter to the local paper criticizing the local Press for
letting themselves be taken by a phoney TV show which hires writers
to "improve" production values on all network shows. The local
ABC affiliate which had taken a big ride on the story, ran an update
on the "hobo- killer" story the day my critical letter appeared. The
update was clearly in response to my letter, but the news director
apparently missed the point: that the charges against
the "hobo-killer" were hype produced by writers on the show. The
TV station said something about some Washington state authorities
still being interested in interviewing this dangerous killer. The TV
guys were pretty vexed, and I was impressed with myself for stirring
them up.
Mike Rice
Young
> he just wanted to get justice. And now that he sees this chance to make
> money off his son's death he is suppose to be the outraged doting father?
>
I once worked for an insurance company in a job that required me
to read accounts of incidents that would turn your stomach.
There were also plenty of incidents that made you sick in another
way. People trying to make money from their kid's death. Literally,
parents telling their kid to run to the car, into the path of
other cars, who would then sue the (not speeding, doing nothing wrong)
driver ... that's who I would call ... trying to make money off their
kid's life ...
I say this to let you know I'm not some naive person.
Fred Goldman should be trying to bankrupt Simpson ... it's his only
revenge. This is not a case of someone trying to make money. I'm
positive he'd give every penny to get his son back.
tribe
That's private... wrote:
>
> Hamilton <hami...@DNVN.com> wrote:
>
> > (That's private...) wrote:
>
> > > > > What you say is very twisted.
> > > > > John Walsh lost his son Adam in a very
> > > > > horiffic way. The fact that he
> > > > > hosts a tv show that helps to *catch*
> > > > > criminals is to be applauded and
> > > > > supported in every way. *So what* that
> > > > > he earns a living from it?
> > > > > He's not a millionaire,
> >
> >
> >
> > his show the other day. It glorified crime and violence
> > with all this stupid hype about Bonnie and clyde -- it
> > was as exploitive as anything I have seen on TV. I think
> > a man who lives off a personal tragedy is kind of creepy -
> > but there is some rationale if you can argue he is
> > 'doing good' by catching criminals. That show was pure
> > exploitation -- It lowered my opinion of Walsh even another
> > notch. He is also one of the primary vectors [or so I
> > have read] of the wildly inflated statistics on child
> > abduction that we read everywhere. The kind of thing
> > that happened to his child is not epidemic or rampant --
> > but very rare
>
> important enough to make it an issue about. Just because a problem is
> not "rampant" deems it not worth caring about by you??? How sad.
>
> > -- and it wouldn't hae happened to him if
> > the child hadn't been left alone for an extended period
> > in a public place
>
> You need to have your facts straightened. His child was NOT left for
> "an extended period in a public place." His mother was looking at
> something in a Sears store and the child was attracted to a nearby
> counter which had the latest in video games. The entire "abduction"
> took *less than* a couple of minutes, literally when the mother's back
> was turned.
>
>
> "Make an industry"??? I think not. You would think from your message
> that no child had ever been abducted before. Ridiculous.
>
> > out
> > of the idea that there are people lurking everywhere to
> > snatch up our children. Maybe this makes him feel better
> > about the horror of his loss -- it wasn't malignant fate
> > or negligence but rather part of a 'hidden epidemic' -- but
> > it has unnecessarily made parents all over the US
> > hysterical. Look at the milk cartons some time -- most of
> > these kids are involved in custody disputes or are runaways.
> > The Polly Klaass, Adam Walshs and Etan Patzs of the world are
> > very rare -- terrible -- but rare.
>
> The justification for your rationale makes me ill. And I am a single
> person with no children.
>
> So many DVD movies to watch, so little time....
> Still hooked on VHS? You don't know what you're missing!
You aren't alone...I am sickened by this supposed rational.
A child is abducted and murdered, and this post blames the
parent?? Unbelievable....---Tribe
Information Arcade Public Workstation
Let me guess. You're a self-proclaimed retard, right?
darkstar
> You aren't alone...I am sickened by this supposed rational.
> A child is abducted and murdered, and this post blames the
> parent?? Unbelievable....---Tribe
Here in KC, a carload of 15 year old girls did the
two-wheels-go-off-the-right-edge thing and they jerked it back as the
driver's ed books all say DON"T do, and they lost control and hit a van and
three of the 15-year-old girls died. Well it didn't take long for a local
columnist to say that the parents were "TOO LAZY to drive their kids to the
ball game." One of the dads had in fact taken off work to go watch his
daughter pitch, 2:30 on a Friday afternoon, and he was changing clothes to
go to his daughter's game when he hit the answering machine button and
found out about the wreck. The girls were not supposed to drive each other
at the age of 15, of course, but this columnist has to put in the paper
that the parents were "TOO LAZY to drive them to the game."
To all 15-year-olds reading this: If you are driving and your right wheels
go off the pavement, DO NOT JERK THE WHEEL BACK. Coast to a slow speed and
gently get back on the pavement. These girls I don't know how fast they
were going but after they initially jerked the wheel back which knocked
them out of control, they fishtailed or whatever you call it back and forth
a couple of times from the left shoulder to the right, and apparently could
not regain control. The van that was coming the other way did not know
what to do because he did not know where they would end up. Some of the
girls were sitting on top of the back seat of the convertible Mustang, none
wearing seat belts, and the Mustang split completely in two, spilling the
girls out onto the pavement. To all people that want to live to a sensible
old age where you get to BE YOUR OWN BOSS, like 40,
and eat all the prok rinds you damn well please, and spend all day on
Usenet and
boss OTHER people around and you can afford more clothes than you even care
about anymore, and nobody looks at your sneaker label and there is no more
kickball teaming up, and no more acne, and no more teachers dirty looks,
PLEASE BUCKLE UP.
Matt Ackeret
In article <6id2lf$3...@chile.earthlink.net>, Brain Belt <b...@cranium.org> wrote:
>x-no-archive: yes
>emotions and Goldman is letting that person do it.
>
>Fred Goldman is more interested in keeping his hatred of a black man alive.
>It fits his prejudice. Fred Goldman is pimping his dead son.
His hatred of a *murderer* alive. Race has nothing to do with it.
--
mat...@area.com
Wolfenhnd
Brain Belt wrote:
>>Fred Goldman is more interested in keeping his hatred of a black man alive.
No, he's keeping the hatred of a freed murderer alive. It just happens that
man is "black". If OJ were pink, green and mauve stripped, Goldman would still
hate him as much.
Color is only a *fact* in this, not an *issue*. Not all things are racial
issues simply because the people on opposite sides of it are different colors.
***-.._.--**-.._..-.........Wolfenhnd.......-.._..-**--._..---***
Information Arcade Public Workstation
That's private... wrote:
>
> Information Arcade Public Workstation
>
> > That's private... wrote:
> > >
> > > Hamilton <hami...@DNVN.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > rather repulsive when people like
> > > > John Walsh and Fred Goldman try to make a career out of their
> > > > victimhood. Walsh in particular is shameless -- pretending to
> > > > want to right wrongs and yet hyping violence [e.g. his recent
> > > > Bonnie and Clyde hype about a
> > > > couple of teen crooks] and glamorizing
> > > > it for ratings. He is helping
> > > > create the society that took his
> > > > son.
> > >
> > > John Walsh lost his son Adam in a very
> > > horiffic way. The fact that he
> > > hosts a tv show that helps to *catch*
> > > criminals is to be applauded and
> > > supported in every way. *So what* that
> > > he earns a living from it?
> > > He's not a millionaire,
> >
> > might be a millionare.
>
> Because he happened to mention once
> on the Montel show that right before
> Fox and he made an agreement to
> do "America's Most Wanted", he was
> totally bankrupt from spending all
> the $$$ to find his son and his son's
> killer. They even took his home away, he had nothing left.
I thought we were talking about
whether or not he is a millionare *now*.
And you seem to have no reason he's not
a millionare *now*.
> And you
> want to begrudge this guy a paycheck for doing one of the best
> criminal-catching shows on the air???!! I sure don't. AFAIC, he
> deserves every penny he gets.
I couldn't care less how much he makes.
>
> > > leave him alone.
> > > You want him or anyone else
> > > to work *for free*????! Would you do any
> > > job FOR FREE and refuse
> > > compensation? Please get real.
> >
> > He could donate a large part of the money he
> > makes to a group which he supports if
> > he wishes to show that he's not doing
> > what he does just for the money.
>
> I'm sure he makes charitable donations of this kind to such
> organizations--on a VOLUNTARY basis.
> I know for a fact that he is very
> generous with his time in helping
> other victims--especially people who
> have had children abducted. As for
> "large part of the money he makes"--
> would you like someone to determine for you how much of your living
> income is taken away or "donated"?!!
I couldn't care less whether or not he donates
any money at all.
> Didn't think so.
gai...@mail.idt.net
In article <darkstar-ya0240800...@news.sky.net>,
dark...@sky.net (darkstar) wrote:
<snippage of auto accident involving stupid teens>
> To all people that want to live to a sensible
> old age where you get to BE YOUR OWN BOSS, like 40,
> and eat all the prok rinds you damn well please, and spend all day on
> Usenet and
> boss OTHER people around and you can afford more clothes than you even care
> about anymore, and nobody looks at your sneaker label and there is no more
> kickball teaming up, and no more acne, and no more teachers dirty looks,
> PLEASE BUCKLE UP.
darkstar, you're my hero.
Gail, busy sending this to all the teens I know
#93
--
Remember-if you're not wearing a hairnet it's a career
Lisa Swan
On Fri, 1 May 1998 11:01:21 -0700, "Brain Belt" <b...@cranium.org>
wrote:
>x-no-archive: yes
>Carl Jackson wrote in message <354930...@yahoo.com>...
>>I pray to Almighty God -- if there is one -- that YOU go through
>>EVERYTHING Fred Goldman has gone through and continues to go through and
>>maybe THEN you'll learn empathy...
>
>My family was killed by a drunk truck driver in the mid 80s. Both parents
>and two brothers were run over by a drunk driver in an 18 wheeler.
>
>Don't talk to me about grief.
>
>Talk to me about forgiveness.
>
>Fred Goldman doesn't understand yet that another person is controlling his
>emotions and Goldman is letting that person do it.
>
>Fred Goldman is more interested in keeping his hatred of a black man alive.
>It fits his prejudice. Fred Goldman is pimping his dead son.
Again, Mr. Belt, where is your evidence of Fred Goldman's alleged
racism? I asked you the question, and so did someone else on this
list. You have yet to even tell us where you heard this information?
And regarding forgiveness, why should Fred Goldman forgive a man who
still won't even own up to murdering his son?
Lisa
MO CAFEEN
>In Fred's case, he wears his racism on his sleeve.
>
>
Could you puh-leeze back this up with some evidence other than that this man is
mad at the killer of his son? You have something to show that Goldman would be
acting differently if his son had been killed by a white, middle-class
accountant? If so, let everyone in on it. Otherwise your claims simply
continue to appear to be those of a trouble-stirring idiot.
geminiwalker
We *are* all affected by the globalized crime that increasingly surrounds us in
this society. We *are* all victimized when we have to lock our doors and
look in our back seats before we get into our cars and buy expensive alarm
systems and pay with our taxes for a justice system that is out of control
and unable to *prevent* crime at all.
We are victimized when we have to do CORI checks on our daycare
providers (that really don't screen anyone out) and we are victimized
when we can't send our children to school and trust that they will be
safe and they will learn.
Yes, we are all victims, in one way or another, and that is why we all
must be part of the solution.
...geminiwalker
chu...@earthlink.net
Brain Belt wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
> tribe wrote in message <3547696E...@tiac.net>...
>
> >> Fred Goldman isn't a victim. His son was a victim. Why do you want to
> >> accord Fred Goldman special status?
> >
> > He is a victim....he lost his son to a murderer. Anyone who
> >is affected by a crime is a victim of that crime, IMO. I
> >understand HE was not murdered, but he is the one forced to
> >deal with the loss. ---Tribe
>
> Everyone is affected by crime so by your logic everyone is a victim.
>
> Fred Goldman is no victim. Except by how he lets Simpson control Goldman's
> emotions. Goldman is one sick racist.
--
Live Simply That Others May Simply Live
geminiwalker
Well, this show certainly didn't get the kind of publicity that, for example,
"Veronica's Closet" gets. I had no idea it had even aired yet, and I get
TV listings every day on my excite home page! Looks like there may be
a plot afoot to keep Mr. Goldman from fighting injustice...who benefits?
...geminiwalker
chu...@earthlink.net
Brain Belt wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> UPN's premiere last week, ``Search for Justice with Fred Goldman,'' finished
> 114th and last in the ratings. The father of Ron Goldman, murdered along
> with O.J. Simpson's ex-wife, was host of a reality show on people who try to
> right wrongs in society.
>
> As usual Fred is a bad salesman. Perhaps he should go back to crying on cue
> and being a racist.
geminiwalker
MO CAFEEN wrote:
> >He is also one of the primary vectors [or so I
> >have read] of the wildly inflated statistics on child
> >abduction that we read everywhere. The kind of thing
> >that happened to his child is not epidemic or rampant --
> >but very rare
>
> I don't know what *you* have read, but all of the statistics that I ever see
> fully acknowlege that most child abductions are by parents. Yes, what happened
> to Walsh is rare; I don't think anyone has denied that.
I'll deny it, and I'll deny it vehemently! A simple search for
web sites on child trafficking and/or child prostitution will tell
you how vulnerable children are in the world today...and
anyone who has children or who is thinking of having children
has to live with that awareness and accomodate every waking
moment of their lives.
...geminiwalker
chu...@earthlink.net
Wolfenhnd
Brain Belt writes:
>Wrong. Fred Goldman could have a video tape of someone other that OJ
>Simpson murdering Ron and Fred would still cry like a baby about the "nigger
>who killed Ron."
Whom are you quoting in the above sentance and what is your source for that
quote? And could you please offer some facts to back up your claim of Mr.
Goldman's racism? ie: Actual quotes, sources, dates, incidents of record, etc.
Something that I can research and verify for myself without taking your word
for it?
>In Fred's case, he wears his racism on his sleeve.
Are you sure your own racism isn't coloring your view of the world? In my
experience the people who are screaming racism and discrimination are usually
the biggest promoters of those very same things.
***-.._.--**-.._..-.........Wolfenhnd.......-.._..-**--._..---***
MO CAFEEN
> I'll deny it, and I'll deny it vehemently! A simple search for
> web sites on child trafficking and/or child prostitution will tell
> you how vulnerable children are in the world today...
I'm sorry, Gemini, I did not mean to imply that they were truly "rare" in the
sense that they hardly ever happen. I only meant in comparison to children
abdcuted by parents, which is what most of the missing children reports are
about. The parental abductions are the majority, and the others are in the
minority, even though there are *plenty* of them. Didn't mean to imply
otherwise or to minimize the problem.
Lisa Swan
On Fri, 1 May 1998 17:50:29 -0700, "Brain Belt" <b...@cranium.org>
wrote:
>x-no-archive: yes
>Lisa Swan wrote in message <354a5065....@news.swbell.net>...
>
>>
>>And regarding forgiveness, why should Fred Goldman forgive a man who
>>still won't even own up to murdering his son?
>
>Forgiveness is NOT contingent on other people's actions, but comes from
>within.
>
Third time I will ask you -- where is your evidence that Fred Goldman
is a racist? You insult and denigrate him, yet you have not shown one
bit of evidence to back up your claims.
And hearing you talk on how Fred Goldman should forgive O.J., when you
seem to reserve all your vitriol for the victim, and none for the
killer, is quite ludicrous. It doesn't look like you have "forgiven"
Fred Goldman for the "crime" of speaking out against a murderer who
happens to be black.
Lisa
Wolfenhnd
Brain Belt writes:
>Forgiveness is NOT contingent on other people's actions, but comes from
>within.
Ditto with confessing to your foul deeds. (Mock confessions done in pantomine
with fruit and talk show hosts do not count.)
***-.._.--**-.._..-.........Wolfenhnd.......-.._..-**--._..---***
Carl Jackson
With all of this "tragedy" in your life -- you certainly haven't learned
DIDLEY-SQUAT!!...
Carl
Brain Belt wrote:
>
> x-no-archive: yes
> Carl Jackson wrote in message <354930...@yahoo.com>...
> >I pray to Almighty God -- if there is one -- that YOU go through
> >EVERYTHING Fred Goldman has gone through and continues to go through and
> >maybe THEN you'll learn empathy...
>
> My family was killed by a drunk truck driver in the mid 80s. Both parents
> and two brothers were run over by a drunk driver in an 18 wheeler.
>
> Don't talk to me about grief.
>
<snip>
DorianA123
> Fred Goldman is a sick person. What
>is it now, four years after his son was killed and he is still mourning? He
>need professional psychological counseling.
>
>He can't bring his son back. He can't harm Simpson. Yet he is allowing
>Simpson the power to control his emotions years after it has happened. He
>is unhappy and Simpson is causing it and Simpson doesn't even care about
>hurting Goldman.
>
>Goldman wants to be unhappy. He wants to be angry. If he wants to be happy
>then he needs to get over this and go on with his life and quit the
>vicarious racist attempts and getting even with Simpson.
>
>
>
It isn't uncommon for the families of crime victims to work toward judicial
reform or victim's rights. The Kankas (Megan's law), John Walsh (America's Most
Wanted) are just two examples. It makes them feel as if some good can come from
their loved one's death.
I can't believe you don't understand that.
Dorian
Carolyn
Brain Belt says, about victims of crime who get involved:
>
> Oh I understand what they are trying to do and the feelings of hatred and
> self loathing are usually not helped by the superficious attempts at
doing
> good. and many times the laws that may be enacted cause more harm.
I'm not sure there is self-loathing involved, though hatred is a problem.
Hatred hurts the hater, not the hated, unfortunately.
> If you look at people like Walsh you still see unhappy individuals.
Their
> attempts at reform haven't help their emotional distress. They need
> counseling.
If I were John Walsh, I'd be thinking -- "They caught that pedophile
because of my show! He's locked away now where he won't be able to hurt
another little kid for quite some time!" -- and that would give me no end
of satisfaction. I think different people deal with tragedy in different
ways, and for some counseling does nothing. Some people (and I think this
is particularly true of men) feel that have to DO something. Since we
can't go back in time to right wrongs already done, perhaps these people
feel that they can right wrongs now and prevent wrongs in the future. This
works two ways -- makes them feel a little better about their particular
tragedy, and improves the world a little.
Terry Hallinan
"Brain Belt" <b...@cranium.org> wrote:
>My family was killed by a drunk truck driver in the mid 80s. Both parents
>and two brothers were run over by a drunk driver in an 18 wheeler.
How many people jumped with joy over the accident? Did people tell
you that your family was of no account? Did people protect the drunk
driver as a national hero?
>Don't talk to me about grief.
Nobody can talk to you about much of anything.
>Talk to me about forgiveness.
LOL!
>Fred Goldman doesn't understand yet that another person is controlling his
>emotions and Goldman is letting that person do it.
You are so blinded by racism that you can see nothing.
>Fred Goldman is more interested in keeping his hatred of a black man alive.
>It fits his prejudice. Fred Goldman is pimping his dead son.
You would think a man could learn from the death of so many of his
family. This clown cannot even learn then. Racism is that way.
I am sorry you lost your family BTW.
Best, Terry
"Positive - Being wrong at the top of one's lungs"
- The Devil's Dictionary
William December Starr
In article <6id2lf$3...@chile.earthlink.net>,
"Brain Belt" <b...@cranium.org> said:
> Fred Goldman is more interested in keeping his hatred of a black
> man alive. It fits his prejudice. Fred Goldman is pimping his
> dead son.
This would be the "prejudice" that (1) you keep accusing Fred Goldman
of harboring and (2) you keep never, ever, documenting, right?
-- William December Starr <wds...@crl.com>
Eric Saeger
William December Starr wrote:
>
> In article <6id2lf$3...@chile.earthlink.net>,
> "Brain Belt" <b...@cranium.org> said:
>
> > Fred Goldman is more interested in keeping his hatred of a black
> > man alive. It fits his prejudice. Fred Goldman is pimping his
> > dead son.
>
> This would be the "prejudice" that
>(1) you keep accusing Fred Goldman of harboring
I don't think Brain Belt has put him/herself in Goldman's shoes. It's
his/her choice to be ignorant.
> (2) you keep never, ever, documenting, right?
Yeah, so anyway...
The Darlin of the Lurking Gods,
Eric
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Ellen Sasse
qwe...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> Fred Goldman should be trying to bankrupt Simpson ... it's his only
> revenge. This is not a case of someone trying to make money. I'm
> positive he'd give every penny to get his son back.
Didn't he say during the civil suit that he'd drop it if OJ just admitted
he did it and/or said he was sorry?
Eric Saeger
Ellen Sasse wrote:
> Didn't he say during the civil suit that he'd drop it if OJ just
> admitted he did it and/or said he was sorry?
No, it was after he won the civil suit. He said he'd forget the money
if OJ confessed.
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Brain Belt wrote:
>
> William December Starr wrote in message <6ijj5e$k...@crl5.crl.com>...
> >In article <6id2lf$3...@chile.earthlink.net>,
> >"Brain Belt" <b...@cranium.org> said:
> >
> >> Fred Goldman is more interested in keeping his hatred of a black
> >> man alive. It fits his prejudice. Fred Goldman is pimping his
> >> dead son.
> >
> >This would be the "prejudice" that
> >(1) you keep accusing Fred Goldman
>
> Yup, and your point?
You asserted something is true when there
is no reason to believe it's true.
Duh.
glas
Brain Belt wrote more ridiculous, rascist nonsense...
Liar, racist=Brain Belt
Should be Brainless Belt.
glas
Samuel Bethune
glas wrote in message <6i74i4$gak$1...@supernews.com>...
>Brain Belt wrote ...
>|x-no-archive: yes
>|
>|UPN's premiere last week, ``Search for Justice with Fred Goldman,''
>finished
>|114th and last in the ratings. The father of Ron Goldman, murdered
>along
>|with O.J. Simpson's ex-wife, was host of a reality show on people who
>try to
>|right wrongs in society.
>|
>|As usual Fred is a bad salesman. Perhaps he should go back to crying
>on cue
>|and being a racist.
>
>
>
>He's racist because he wants to see justice for the murder of his
>beloved son? How so?
>
>I can't believe how many people attack this guy. I don't care if he
>does have an annoying personality, a funny mustache and no charisma.
>He lost his son in a most horrific way and then watched the killer
>make a mockery of our justice system and then get off scott free.
>
>As far as I am concerned he has a right to whine and bitch and moan
>and complain for as long and as loudly as he wants too. If I were in
>his shoes I would do the same.
>
>glas
>
And we who are sick and tired of hearing him whine, moan, and bitch have the
right to say "enough already!"
Terry Hallinan
"Samuel Bethune" <pde...@megavision.com> wrote:
>And we who are sick and tired of hearing him whine, moan, and bitch have the
>right to say "enough already!"
You do indeed. And decent people have a right to say what they think
of your whining.
Don Weinman
Terry Hallinan wrote in message <35538...@nntp2.borg.com>...
>"Samuel Bethune" <pde...@megavision.com> wrote:
>
>>And we who are sick and tired of hearing him whine, moan, and bitch have
the
>>right to say "enough already!"
>
>You do indeed. And decent people have a right to say what they think
>of your whining.
Some decent people even agree with him.
DPW
Terry Hallinan
"Don Weinman" <d...@weinman.com> wrote:
>DPW
You have a most curious sense of decency.
I deny there is a shred of decency in those who would damn one for
mourning the loss of a loved one - and in particular a child. The
spectacle of celebration for the acquittal of the murderer because of
racism will remain a blot on the nation.
kry...@excaliber.net
On 5/8/98 1:27AM, in message <6iu54n$g...@bolivia.earthlink.net>, "Brain Belt"
<b...@cranium.org> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
> Ellen Sasse wrote in message ...
> >qwe...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> >> Fred Goldman should be trying to bankrupt Simpson ... it's his only
> >> revenge. This is not a case of someone trying to make money. I'm
> >> positive he'd give every penny to get his son back.
> >
> >Didn't he say during the civil suit that he'd drop it if OJ just admitted
> >he did it and/or said he was sorry?
>
> He also said it wasn't about money. He lied then because after the civil
> verdict he tried to collect and fought the Browns over the money.
>
> Liar, racist=Fred Goldman
>
>
>
He fought with the Browns because they weren't suing for themselves, but for
the children. Whatever the Browns were awarded was going to be turned over to
the guardian of the children's money, a good friend of Mr. Simpson's.
Fred Goldman's a racist because he despises his son's murderer? Strange
extrapolation.
Krystal
Don Weinman
Terry Hallinan wrote in message <35558...@nntp2.borg.com>...
>"Don Weinman" <d...@weinman.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Terry Hallinan wrote in message <35538...@nntp2.borg.com>...
>>>"Samuel Bethune" <pde...@megavision.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>And we who are sick and tired of hearing him whine, moan, and bitch have
>>the
>>>>right to say "enough already!"
>>>
>>>You do indeed. And decent people have a right to say what they think
>>>of your whining.
>
>>Some decent people even agree with him.
>
>>DPW
>
>You have a most curious sense of decency.
>
>I deny there is a shred of decency in those who would damn one for
>mourning the loss of a loved one - and in particular a child. The
>spectacle of celebration for the acquittal of the murderer because of
>racism will remain a blot on the nation.
Well, at least you're being honest.
"Decent people all agree that OJ is guilty, and that any attempt to make
him pay for it is OK. Anyone who feels that Fred Goldman's vendetta is
overdone must be indecent." Have I got that right?
I see nothing wrong with any man, or woman, grieving over the lossa of a
loved one. I see a lot wrong (and maybe even a bit indecent) with making an
unending public display of that person's desire for revenge.
Many "decent" people accept reality and go on with their lives in the face
of a tragic loss.
DPW (Who still considers himself decent)
hall...@borg.com
In article <6j4cf2$bpo$1...@daffy.sb.west.net>,
"Don Weinman" <d...@weinman.com> wrote:
>
>
> Terry Hallinan wrote in message <35558...@nntp2.borg.com>...
> >"Don Weinman" <d...@weinman.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Terry Hallinan wrote in message <35538...@nntp2.borg.com>...
> >>>"Samuel Bethune" <pde...@megavision.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>And we who are sick and tired of hearing him whine, moan, and bitch have
> >>the
> >>>>right to say "enough already!"
> >>>
> >>>You do indeed. And decent people have a right to say what they think
> >>>of your whining.
> >
> >>Some decent people even agree with him.
> >
> >>DPW
> >
> >You have a most curious sense of decency.
> >
> >I deny there is a shred of decency in those who would damn one for
> >mourning the loss of a loved one - and in particular a child. The
> >spectacle of celebration for the acquittal of the murderer because of
> >racism will remain a blot on the nation.
>
> Well, at least you're being honest.
>
> "Decent people all agree that OJ is guilty, and that any attempt to make
> him pay for it is OK. Anyone who feels that Fred Goldman's vendetta is
> overdone must be indecent." Have I got that right?
Not precisely. Anyone with the intelligence of grass who does not have a deep
bias who looks at the evidence knows OJ murdered Ron Goldman. Being decent
has nothing in particular to do with that.
Anyone who does not understand Fred Goldman's pursuit of justice seems to be
either morally bankrupt, abysmally ignorant or deeply prejudiced.
> I see nothing wrong with any man, or woman, grieving over the lossa of a
> loved one. I see a lot wrong (and maybe even a bit indecent) with making an
> unending public display of that person's desire for revenge.
Uh huh.
> Many "decent" people accept reality and go on with their lives in the face
> of a tragic loss.
Fred Goldman has "gone on with his life." Like many others he did not let the
killer destroy him. His pursuit of justice is quite appropriate. No one who
cared about a child would do much different.
> DPW (Who still considers himself decent)
You have to answer to yourself alone.
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Don Weinman <d...@weinman.com> wrote:
> "Decent people all agree that OJ is guilty, and that any attempt to make
> him pay for it is OK. Anyone who feels that Fred Goldman's vendetta is
> overdone must be indecent." Have I got that right?
The way I see it, anyone who believes that OJ is NOT guilty has a screw
loose. The guy had a known history of domestic violence, for pete's
sake! If Ron Goldman was somewhere else that night instead of being
with Nicole, he'd still be alive.
> I see nothing wrong with any man, or woman, grieving over the lossa of a
> loved one. I see a lot wrong (and maybe even a bit indecent) with making an
> unending public display of that person's desire for revenge.
I don't know what you see, but I don't see the Goldmans on the tv news
everynight or making a spectacle of themselves. I haven't noticed any
obnoxious behavior from any of them. The fact that Fred G. wanted to
try a tv show based on his experience doesn't make him a bad person,
either. Maybe this is his way of working through his grief--ever think
of THAT?!
> Many "decent" people accept reality and go on with their lives in the face
> of a tragic loss.
And many people continue to seek justice in their own way when justice
has not been served. More power to them.
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>Anyone who does not understand Fred Goldman's pursuit of justice seems to
be
>either morally bankrupt, abysmally ignorant or deeply prejudiced.
Go with God, I have nothing more to say to you..
DPW