More on Full Force Frank
Desilets-1
Jason...@virgin.net wrote in message <3755D4EA...@virgin.net>...
>
>
>"Agent@Large" wrote:
>
>> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 20:20:48 -0500 (CDT)
>> Subject: Obscure Electronic #3
>>
>> W e l c o m e to.......
>>
>> O B S C U R E E L E C T R O N I C # 3
>> ``````````````````` ```````````````````````````````````
>>
>> .............................................................
>> OBSCURE is edited by Jim Romenesko. This electronic zine of the
>> publishing underground is also available in print form for $2/issue
>> from POB 1334, Milwaukee, WI 53201. The print version doesn't
>> duplicate
>> this electronic zine. Try it out!
>> .............................................................
>>
>> ## This Issue: Where's Full Force Frank, the psychopathic publisher?
>> ##
>>
>> FULL FORCE FRANK was the zine world's most notorious publisher --
>> until his mysterious disappearance in late summer of 1991. In his
>> zines,
>> SINGIN' DOSE ANTI-PSYCHOTIC BLUES and LIVIN' IN A POWDER KEG AND
>> GIVIN'
>> OFF SPARKS, he promised to commit a massacre sometime this decade. In
>> every issue of his popular zine, he ranted and raved about his killing
>> plans. He was so determined and so outspoken about them that even the
>> FBI
>> came looking for him -- or so he said. But he stopped publishing
>> without
>> warning two summers ago. What happened?
>>
>> -----------
>> QUOTES FROM FRANK:
>>
>> "Nope, this zine ain't the Readers Digest
>> or the Farmer's Almanac. I offer no limits and I
>> accept no limits. This zine salutes and pays homage
>> to violence of all sorts. In particular, this magazine
>> attempts to acknowledge and glorify the courage of
>> those rare people that turn their thoughts and dreams and
>> fantasies into reality, mass and serial killers."
>>
>
>True Reality?
>
>
>
>>
>> "I hope everybody who gets this zine will write
>> and tell me what it did to their minds and souls. I
>> want to know. As long as this zine has had some effect
>> on you, I'm satisfied. The greatest tragedy in the
>> world is when a person denies or suppresses his own
>> reality. I have every intention to fulfill my own
>> reality [of committing a massacre] during my lifetime.
>> When and where and who and how is my own private
>> business. Meanwhile, I continue to publish these
>> zines to feed and nourish my own dead soul."
>>
>
>Soul dead?
>
>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>
>> HOW I GOT TO KNOW FULL FORCE FRANK
>>
>> In March of 1990, I received an unsolicited package of zines from
>> Frank -- they were issues of SINGIN' DOSE ANTI-PSYCHOTIC BLUES. He
>> sent this letter with the publications: "My of my readers suggested
>> that I send you a copy of my zine for possible review. So, being a
>> sucker for free publicity, I'm enclosing copies. ....WEll, gotsa go!
>> Take it sleazy dude! Hope ya find my rag interesting."
>>
>> Well...I did. And I found it frightening, too. I read it just
>> before going to bed and woke up that night screaming. No lie. Frank's
>> zine was murder-obsessed. What bothered me, I think, was his essay
>> called "Handy Hints for a Messier Massacre." It was exactly that: a
>> how-to guide for people thinking about going on a shooting spree.
>>
>> A few "handy hints" from Frank:
>>
>> * "The making of a successful massacre involves the following:
>> good guns, a powerful and large quantity of ammunition, good shooting
>> tecnique [sic], element of surprise attack, inability of victims to
>> escape from confined area, good mental state of gunman, attacking a
>> poorly defended location, single-minded and clear-cut goal. In my
>> opinion, this is the basic checklist of the ingredients needed for a
>> successful massacre. Of course, there are no guarantees. Hell, you can
>> invade a nunnery and one of the sisters might have a loaded automatic
>> underneath her habit and blow you away even before you start your
>> massacre!"
>>
>
>Interest in guns!?
>
>>
>> * "I like the 9mm specialty rounds. These bullets cost $1.25 each,
>> but if you are going to do a massacre, I cannot see money being a
>> viable consideration."
>>
>> * "It is important that you get people down on the ground as you
>> begin the massacre. This is so that they cannot try to escape or
>> attempt to wrestle with your weapon away from you. At the start of a
>> massacre you never aim at anyone's head. You shoot in wide arcs.
>> Covering all of your targets and you aim at the midsection of the
>> body. You hit people in the lower chest, stomach, groin and upper
>> thigh. The midsection. This is the most effective type of fire at the
>> start of a mass killing."
>>
>> * "The next item is 'Good Mental State of Shooter.' To some people
>> it may sound strange to refer to a 'good mental state' during a mass
>> murder rampage, but I see nothing strange about it. There is
>> absolutely nothing inherently insane about mass murder. It is a
>> conscious, rational decision that a person reaches after considering
>> all his options and deciding that the act of killing a group of people
>> is a worthwhile and logical thing to do based on this person's own
>> reality and life experience."
>>
>
>True Reality again!?
>
>>
>> ----> Reading this for the first time, I wondered: Do I call the
>> FBI or do I try to interview Frank. I chose the latter and sent him a
>> note (along with a copy of OBSCURE), asking for his phone number. A
>> few days later he replied.
>>
>> FRANK'S LETTER:
>> "I was looking forward to your review of my zine in OBSCURE, but
>> in the past two weeks a major problem has surfaced! It's the FBI! Yes,
>> the goddamnded [sic] Federal Bureau of Investigation has discovered my
>> zine and they are fucking me up majorly! Things are still not
>> resolved, but it seems highly likely that my zine is soon to be dead.
>> I guess it's time for me to go into 'Deep Cover,' as the spies call
>> it. Sink underground along with my psychosis! With this fuckin' FBI
>> surveillance and harassment, I plan on cutting out of this zine
>> publishing scene.
>> "I am not a regular publisher. I am, in fact, a psychopath. And if
>> there is one thing that a psychopath does not need, it's to be
>> harassed by the FBI. I've got to look out for Number One. And you all
>> know who Number One is. #1 is me. Nobody on the face of the Earth will
>> cover my ass. I've got to cover it myself.
>>
>
>Self-devotion!
>The publishing of the zine calls out for attention!
>
>
>
>>
>> But two weeks later, I received this second letter from Frank:
>>
>> "About ten days ago I sent you a letter advising you that my zine
>> was dead due to a FBI Sting operation. Well, I've just spent the last
>> ten days talking to my lawyer and getting some legal information...and
>> the bottom line is this: My zine is reborn! Praise Satan! There are
>> several changes. I have a new mailing address and I now require a
>> signed disclaimer before I will send anyone my zines...."
>>
>
>"Satan" fits in with the ChasNemo link (my own personal view!) Chas = Joe
>
>
>>
>> ............
>>
>> Frank declined to give me his phone number and requested I not
>> write about him. I went against his wishes, believing that the alleged
>> FBI pursuit of him made him even more of a story. I HAD to write about
>> Frank. I told readers this about the self-proclaimed psychopath:
>>
>> -- He was sexually abused as a child by his father. Because of that,
>> he claims he can drink white milk because it reminds him of semen.
>>
>
>Joe has admitted to being forced to give oral sex!
>
>
>>
>> -- He has a foot fetish. He once said: "I practice only two things
>> within my mind - killing people and torturing/worshipping women's feet
>> and shoes."
>>
>
>Well known on this newsgroup!
>
>
>>
>> -- That he's in his mid-20s, lives in Brooklyn, and loses money on his
>> zine. He said in one interview: "I lose about $500 on every issue of
>> my zine. But that's not a problem. Got plenty of money. Don't ask how
>> I have plenty of money, but I have it. Never worked a day in my life
>> and never will."
>>
>
>Again something Joe constantly proclaims!
>
>
>>
>> In my article, I also published excerpts from letters that Frank
>> sent me. That made him angry and his response to the OBSCURE article
>> about him came in the form of a ten-page letter to me. He wrote: "I am
>> sitting here reading over issue #6 of OBSCURE for about the tenth time
>> and lemme tell you, I am one pissed-off psychopath!!! ...You had
>> absolutely no right to reprint my private letters to you!! Anything in
>> my zine, yes. But what you did, by reprinting private letters that I
>> sent you, was compromise my entire new set-up at this new mailing
>> address. Are you stupid or are you just a jerk?? How dare you reprint
>> a letter of mine that I had handwritten to you in which I brag about
>> having defeated the FBI and sign off the letter with 'Death to the
>> FBI." ...What in the name of Satan possessed you to reprint such a
>> letter? At best, you are incredibly stupid. At worst, you are an
>> arrogant piece of pig-licking shit who deliberately printed the
>> letter in the hope that the FBI would resume their harassment.
>> Effective immediately, you are being dropped from my mailing list and
>> will never receive any future zines from me."
>
>EXCOMMUNICATION!
>
>
>>
>>
>> FRANK WAS TRUE TO HIS WORD. He never wrote to me again, or sent
>> copies of his new zine, LIVIN' IN A POWDER KEG.. He put a few issues
>> of that and then, without warning, stopped publishing. He also
>> discontinued his pen-pal relationship with many zinesters, never
>> giving an explanation. His disappearance fueled considerable
>> speculation. What happened to Frank? I asked several zine editors who
>> knew Frank what they thought. Here are their replies:
>>
>> SCOTT WILLIAMS, editor of PSYCHO JOE and longtime pen-pal
>> with Frank, says he has a few ideas. "I can only guess, but I think
>> probably he just switched lifestyles to become more accepted so he can
>> live out a life and not worry about being destroyed. I think he could
>> have gotten married to some psycho girl or gotten in a relationship
>> with some psychotic woman. I hope he's just in hiding. I hope I hear
>> about him on the news in the next six months -- hear that he's become
>> the most infamous mass murderer in the history of the world."
>>
>> JULIE LINDEMANN, former editor of CATHOLIC GUILT, believes that
>> Frank was a federal agent. "What better way for the FBI to gather
>> information on slippery, subversive individuals than through a zine
>> published by a self-proclaimed psycho? I found the carefully
>> constructed quality of Frank's publications disturbing -- everything
>> from content to quality didn't seem right. Would a true psychopath
>> produce these fastidiously tidy tomes on murder and mayhem that appeal
>> to quirky characters tucked away in America's nooks and crannies? It
>> seems perfectly plausible that a government agency could fabricate a
>> character named Frank to function as an informant. A stroke of genius!
>> Frank's publications could be deliberately designed to elicit a
>> response from the target audience of 'psychopaths.'"
>>
>> MARK HEJNAR, a videomaker who has a video being released soon that
>> features Frank prancing around in his apartment, waving an Uzi as he
>> rants about his massacre-in-the-making. He says this: "It's just my
>> personal belief that he got sick of it all and that he had too many
>> contacts for his own good."
>>
>> JOE VALIQUETTE, media liason [sic] officer for the FBI: "Our
>> office has
>> never had anything to do with him."
>>
>> .........
>>
>> EPILOGUE: Frank's alive! ANSWER ME! publisher Jim Goad reports that he
>> received a letter from Frank earlier this year. It will be published
>> in the next issue of ANSWER ME!, due out this month. Frank doesn't
>> offer any explanation for his disappearance, though, according to
>> Goad. What happened? We still don't know.
>>
>>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Get the FRANK-PAK from OBSCURE. It includes a copy of Frank's zine,
>> his interview in APOCALYPSE CULTURE, the OBSCURE feature on Frank, and
>> a Xerox of his sticker. Just $4 to Jim Romenesko, POB 1334, Milwaukee,
>> WI 53201.
>>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>Frank *is* Joe, without a doubt!
>There are too many similarities! One might be a coincidence, but for Joe
to
>share every bit of Franks True Reality!? (Could be a reader of Franks
>magazines, but doubtful!)
>Joe/Frank, it seems, has just moved his zine from a hardcopy to an
electronic
>format!
>Taking in all the gullible fools he did before, and inflating the little
boys
>ego!
>
>Now we just need to figure out the home address of the mental SOB.
>
>ciao
>
>Jason
I think you're right, they are one & the same...
>
>dESILETS
Desilets-1
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>Do you honestly think anyone has time to read these huge posts ?
>
>Michael <- Thinking.... Cheesus.... get a life
Michael You're trying real hard, but no one's going to buy that...
if you do...I got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale....you can try ebay to sell
your orbiteer's hats
Desilets
>
Chester1851
what happens to you in my mailing list about dead people turning up. Or
just goad him into committing some rampage. Just try to do it in late June,
when I'll be far, far away.
<Jason...@virgin.net> wrote in message
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Agent@Large
-----------
QUOTES FROM FRANK:
"I hope everybody who gets this zine will write
and tell me what it did to their minds and souls. I
want to know. As long as this zine has had some effect
on you, I'm satisfied. The greatest tragedy in the
world is when a person denies or suppresses his own
reality. I have every intention to fulfill my own
reality [of committing a massacre] during my lifetime.
When and where and who and how is my own private
business. Meanwhile, I continue to publish these
zines to feed and nourish my own dead soul."
---------------------------------------------------
HOW I GOT TO KNOW FULL FORCE FRANK
In March of 1990, I received an unsolicited package of zines from
Frank -- they were issues of SINGIN' DOSE ANTI-PSYCHOTIC BLUES. He
sent this letter with the publications: "My of my readers suggested
that I send you a copy of my zine for possible review. So, being a
sucker for free publicity, I'm enclosing copies. ....WEll, gotsa go!
Take it sleazy dude! Hope ya find my rag interesting."
Well...I did. And I found it frightening, too. I read it just
before going to bed and woke up that night screaming. No lie. Frank's
zine was murder-obsessed. What bothered me, I think, was his essay
called "Handy Hints for a Messier Massacre." It was exactly that: a
how-to guide for people thinking about going on a shooting spree.
A few "handy hints" from Frank:
* "The making of a successful massacre involves the following:
good guns, a powerful and large quantity of ammunition, good shooting
tecnique [sic], element of surprise attack, inability of victims to
escape from confined area, good mental state of gunman, attacking a
poorly defended location, single-minded and clear-cut goal. In my
opinion, this is the basic checklist of the ingredients needed for a
successful massacre. Of course, there are no guarantees. Hell, you can
invade a nunnery and one of the sisters might have a loaded automatic
underneath her habit and blow you away even before you start your
massacre!"
* "I like the 9mm specialty rounds. These bullets cost $1.25 each,
but if you are going to do a massacre, I cannot see money being a
viable consideration."
* "It is important that you get people down on the ground as you
begin the massacre. This is so that they cannot try to escape or
attempt to wrestle with your weapon away from you. At the start of a
massacre you never aim at anyone's head. You shoot in wide arcs.
Covering all of your targets and you aim at the midsection of the
body. You hit people in the lower chest, stomach, groin and upper
thigh. The midsection. This is the most effective type of fire at the
start of a mass killing."
* "The next item is 'Good Mental State of Shooter.' To some people
it may sound strange to refer to a 'good mental state' during a mass
murder rampage, but I see nothing strange about it. There is
absolutely nothing inherently insane about mass murder. It is a
conscious, rational decision that a person reaches after considering
all his options and deciding that the act of killing a group of people
is a worthwhile and logical thing to do based on this person's own
reality and life experience."
----> Reading this for the first time, I wondered: Do I call the
FBI or do I try to interview Frank. I chose the latter and sent him a
note (along with a copy of OBSCURE), asking for his phone number. A
few days later he replied.
FRANK'S LETTER:
"I was looking forward to your review of my zine in OBSCURE, but
in the past two weeks a major problem has surfaced! It's the FBI! Yes,
the goddamnded [sic] Federal Bureau of Investigation has discovered my
zine and they are fucking me up majorly! Things are still not
resolved, but it seems highly likely that my zine is soon to be dead.
I guess it's time for me to go into 'Deep Cover,' as the spies call
it. Sink underground along with my psychosis! With this fuckin' FBI
surveillance and harassment, I plan on cutting out of this zine
publishing scene.
"I am not a regular publisher. I am, in fact, a psychopath. And if
there is one thing that a psychopath does not need, it's to be
harassed by the FBI. I've got to look out for Number One. And you all
know who Number One is. #1 is me. Nobody on the face of the Earth will
cover my ass. I've got to cover it myself.
But two weeks later, I received this second letter from Frank:
"About ten days ago I sent you a letter advising you that my zine
was dead due to a FBI Sting operation. Well, I've just spent the last
ten days talking to my lawyer and getting some legal information...and
the bottom line is this: My zine is reborn! Praise Satan! There are
several changes. I have a new mailing address and I now require a
signed disclaimer before I will send anyone my zines...."
............
Frank declined to give me his phone number and requested I not
write about him. I went against his wishes, believing that the alleged
FBI pursuit of him made him even more of a story. I HAD to write about
Frank. I told readers this about the self-proclaimed psychopath:
-- He was sexually abused as a child by his father. Because of that,
he claims he can drink white milk because it reminds him of semen.
-- He has a foot fetish. He once said: "I practice only two things
within my mind - killing people and torturing/worshipping women's feet
and shoes."
-- That he's in his mid-20s, lives in Brooklyn, and loses money on his
zine. He said in one interview: "I lose about $500 on every issue of
my zine. But that's not a problem. Got plenty of money. Don't ask how
I have plenty of money, but I have it. Never worked a day in my life
and never will."
In my article, I also published excerpts from letters that Frank
sent me. That made him angry and his response to the OBSCURE article
about him came in the form of a ten-page letter to me. He wrote: "I am
sitting here reading over issue #6 of OBSCURE for about the tenth time
and lemme tell you, I am one pissed-off psychopath!!! ...You had
absolutely no right to reprint my private letters to you!! Anything in
my zine, yes. But what you did, by reprinting private letters that I
sent you, was compromise my entire new set-up at this new mailing
address. Are you stupid or are you just a jerk?? How dare you reprint
a letter of mine that I had handwritten to you in which I brag about
having defeated the FBI and sign off the letter with 'Death to the
FBI." ...What in the name of Satan possessed you to reprint such a
letter? At best, you are incredibly stupid. At worst, you are an
arrogant piece of pig-licking shit who deliberately printed the
letter in the hope that the FBI would resume their harassment.
Effective immediately, you are being dropped from my mailing list and
will never receive any future zines from me."
Jason...@virgin.net
"Agent@Large" wrote:
True Reality?
>
> "I hope everybody who gets this zine will write
> and tell me what it did to their minds and souls. I
> want to know. As long as this zine has had some effect
> on you, I'm satisfied. The greatest tragedy in the
> world is when a person denies or suppresses his own
> reality. I have every intention to fulfill my own
> reality [of committing a massacre] during my lifetime.
> When and where and who and how is my own private
> business. Meanwhile, I continue to publish these
> zines to feed and nourish my own dead soul."
>
Soul dead?
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> HOW I GOT TO KNOW FULL FORCE FRANK
>
> In March of 1990, I received an unsolicited package of zines from
> Frank -- they were issues of SINGIN' DOSE ANTI-PSYCHOTIC BLUES. He
> sent this letter with the publications: "My of my readers suggested
> that I send you a copy of my zine for possible review. So, being a
> sucker for free publicity, I'm enclosing copies. ....WEll, gotsa go!
> Take it sleazy dude! Hope ya find my rag interesting."
>
> Well...I did. And I found it frightening, too. I read it just
> before going to bed and woke up that night screaming. No lie. Frank's
> zine was murder-obsessed. What bothered me, I think, was his essay
> called "Handy Hints for a Messier Massacre." It was exactly that: a
> how-to guide for people thinking about going on a shooting spree.
>
> A few "handy hints" from Frank:
>
> * "The making of a successful massacre involves the following:
> good guns, a powerful and large quantity of ammunition, good shooting
> tecnique [sic], element of surprise attack, inability of victims to
> escape from confined area, good mental state of gunman, attacking a
> poorly defended location, single-minded and clear-cut goal. In my
> opinion, this is the basic checklist of the ingredients needed for a
> successful massacre. Of course, there are no guarantees. Hell, you can
> invade a nunnery and one of the sisters might have a loaded automatic
> underneath her habit and blow you away even before you start your
> massacre!"
>
Interest in guns!?
>
> * "I like the 9mm specialty rounds. These bullets cost $1.25 each,
> but if you are going to do a massacre, I cannot see money being a
> viable consideration."
>
> * "It is important that you get people down on the ground as you
> begin the massacre. This is so that they cannot try to escape or
> attempt to wrestle with your weapon away from you. At the start of a
> massacre you never aim at anyone's head. You shoot in wide arcs.
> Covering all of your targets and you aim at the midsection of the
> body. You hit people in the lower chest, stomach, groin and upper
> thigh. The midsection. This is the most effective type of fire at the
> start of a mass killing."
>
> * "The next item is 'Good Mental State of Shooter.' To some people
> it may sound strange to refer to a 'good mental state' during a mass
> murder rampage, but I see nothing strange about it. There is
> absolutely nothing inherently insane about mass murder. It is a
> conscious, rational decision that a person reaches after considering
> all his options and deciding that the act of killing a group of people
> is a worthwhile and logical thing to do based on this person's own
> reality and life experience."
>
True Reality again!?
>
> ----> Reading this for the first time, I wondered: Do I call the
> FBI or do I try to interview Frank. I chose the latter and sent him a
> note (along with a copy of OBSCURE), asking for his phone number. A
> few days later he replied.
>
> FRANK'S LETTER:
> "I was looking forward to your review of my zine in OBSCURE, but
> in the past two weeks a major problem has surfaced! It's the FBI! Yes,
> the goddamnded [sic] Federal Bureau of Investigation has discovered my
> zine and they are fucking me up majorly! Things are still not
> resolved, but it seems highly likely that my zine is soon to be dead.
> I guess it's time for me to go into 'Deep Cover,' as the spies call
> it. Sink underground along with my psychosis! With this fuckin' FBI
> surveillance and harassment, I plan on cutting out of this zine
> publishing scene.
> "I am not a regular publisher. I am, in fact, a psychopath. And if
> there is one thing that a psychopath does not need, it's to be
> harassed by the FBI. I've got to look out for Number One. And you all
> know who Number One is. #1 is me. Nobody on the face of the Earth will
> cover my ass. I've got to cover it myself.
>
Self-devotion!
The publishing of the zine calls out for attention!
>
> But two weeks later, I received this second letter from Frank:
>
> "About ten days ago I sent you a letter advising you that my zine
> was dead due to a FBI Sting operation. Well, I've just spent the last
> ten days talking to my lawyer and getting some legal information...and
> the bottom line is this: My zine is reborn! Praise Satan! There are
> several changes. I have a new mailing address and I now require a
> signed disclaimer before I will send anyone my zines...."
>
"Satan" fits in with the ChasNemo link (my own personal view!) Chas = Joe
>
> ............
>
> Frank declined to give me his phone number and requested I not
> write about him. I went against his wishes, believing that the alleged
> FBI pursuit of him made him even more of a story. I HAD to write about
> Frank. I told readers this about the self-proclaimed psychopath:
>
> -- He was sexually abused as a child by his father. Because of that,
> he claims he can drink white milk because it reminds him of semen.
>
Joe has admitted to being forced to give oral sex!
>
> -- He has a foot fetish. He once said: "I practice only two things
> within my mind - killing people and torturing/worshipping women's feet
> and shoes."
>
Well known on this newsgroup!
>
> -- That he's in his mid-20s, lives in Brooklyn, and loses money on his
> zine. He said in one interview: "I lose about $500 on every issue of
> my zine. But that's not a problem. Got plenty of money. Don't ask how
> I have plenty of money, but I have it. Never worked a day in my life
> and never will."
>
Again something Joe constantly proclaims!
>
> In my article, I also published excerpts from letters that Frank
> sent me. That made him angry and his response to the OBSCURE article
> about him came in the form of a ten-page letter to me. He wrote: "I am
> sitting here reading over issue #6 of OBSCURE for about the tenth time
> and lemme tell you, I am one pissed-off psychopath!!! ...You had
> absolutely no right to reprint my private letters to you!! Anything in
> my zine, yes. But what you did, by reprinting private letters that I
> sent you, was compromise my entire new set-up at this new mailing
> address. Are you stupid or are you just a jerk?? How dare you reprint
> a letter of mine that I had handwritten to you in which I brag about
> having defeated the FBI and sign off the letter with 'Death to the
> FBI." ...What in the name of Satan possessed you to reprint such a
> letter? At best, you are incredibly stupid. At worst, you are an
> arrogant piece of pig-licking shit who deliberately printed the
> letter in the hope that the FBI would resume their harassment.
> Effective immediately, you are being dropped from my mailing list and
> will never receive any future zines from me."
EXCOMMUNICATION!
Frank *is* Joe, without a doubt!
There are too many similarities! One might be a coincidence, but for Joe to
share every bit of Franks True Reality!? (Could be a reader of Franks
magazines, but doubtful!)
Joe/Frank, it seems, has just moved his zine from a hardcopy to an electronic
format!
Taking in all the gullible fools he did before, and inflating the little boys
ego!
Now we just need to figure out the home address of the mental SOB.
ciao
Jason
YaKnow
massacre before the end of the decade? When the promise was made, there
hadn't been quite so many such incidents. Now, just how does he top these
school shootings?
And to Joe, in your educated opinion, what will Frank do? Carry through?
Go really big? Never be seen again?
It just makes me wonder if the recent letter is authentic or just someone
wanting to stir up things?
Joe1orbit
>Okay, IF we assume that Joe is Frank, then what about his promise of a
>massacre before the end of the decade?
Hello,
First, let me say that this a BEAUTIFUL thread! Thanks for giving me the
chance to reply, since ALL the previous posts to this thread were made by or
quoted excommunicatees, I could not reply to them. It is just MARVELOUS to
witness the stupidity of you humans. I wish with all my heart that Frank IS
in fact a real person, totally serious in his life philosophies, as I am, free
as a bird, and perhaps even enjoying my posts.
> When the promise was made, there
>hadn't been quite so many such incidents. Now, just how does he top these
>school shootings?
Well, a determined predator can always succeed. The thing is, we simply have
NOT had a truly prolific mass murder in recent years, so unless Frank was
George Hennard, or Timothy McVeigh, I would like to think that he is still
free. Maybe serially killing? But in reality, I do not think that topping these
school massacres, which ONLY claimed 3-13 lives, should be all that difficult.
>And to Joe, in your educated opinion, what will Frank do? Carry through?
>Go really big? Never be seen again?
I have no way of knowing. Judging from the quotes I have read, IF in fact
they are accurate, he sounds like a sincere and determined and enraged victim
of society. So I would hope that he lives out his True Reality and ACHIEVED &
CLAIMS the violent vengeance he is entitled to.
>It just makes me wonder if the recent letter is authentic or just someone
>wanting to stir up things?
I don't know exactly what 'recent letter' you might be referring to.
The glorious thing here, is that the Garbage Humans are so terrified of me,
as witnessed by this thread and their assumptions, past, present, and no doubt
future as well. Believe me, I have NO interest in diminishing their terror, so
YES, go right ahead folks, continue to embrace this assumption. I will NEVER
deny it. I will never confirm or deny any guess that is made as to my identity.
I will NEVER set you straight, because as I've said numerous times, IF you ever
DO learn exactly who I am, your minds will be absolutely boggled beyond your
wildest dreams. And if you live long enough, I do think there is a GOOD chance
that the complete Truth about me will someday be revealed, ONLY when I DECIDE
the time is right.
Take care, JOE
>
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Joe1orbit wrote:
Translation: Oh no! Must deny that I am Frank! Must deny that I am Frank! But I
am Frank..........! Aggghh Deny it! Deny it!
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Jason:
>Translation: Oh no! Must deny that I am Frank! Must deny that I am Frank!
>But I
>am Frank..........! Aggghh Deny it! Deny it!
I'm starting to get the impression that, contrary to your expressed concerns
about Monstra's safety, that you would actually LUV it if Joe went off on a
rampage and savagely murdered a few people. Don't deny it, Jason. There's no
other way to explain this sort of juvenile taunting other than you're trying to
piss him off, is there?
The truth is, you know Joe isn't going to kill anyone but, just like Joe, you
need a target for your pent-up rage because you can't express it elsewhere.
You're no better off than Joe, really. In fact, you may have a worse problem
because, unlike Joe, you seem to have a far more difficult time controlling it.
At least Joe has the ability to ignore people who piss him off.
Halle
YaKnow
> >wanting to stir up things?
>
>
> That book was published in 1987 and 1990.
Reviewing the original post in this thread, I see the article was dated
1993. My mistake, thinking it was "recent".
YaKnow
Joe1orbit <joe1...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> First, let me say that this a BEAUTIFUL thread! Thanks for giving me the
> chance to reply, since ALL the previous posts to this thread were made by
or
> quoted excommunicatees, I could not reply to them. It is just MARVELOUS to
> witness the stupidity of you humans. I wish with all my heart that Frank
IS
> in fact a real person, totally serious in his life philosophies, as I am,
free
> as a bird, and perhaps even enjoying my posts.
Glad to give you an opportunity...
===CLIP===
> Well, a determined predator can always succeed. The thing is, we simply
have
> NOT had a truly prolific mass murder in recent years, so unless Frank was
> George Hennard, or Timothy McVeigh, I would like to think that he is still
> free. Maybe serially killing? But in reality, I do not think that topping
these
> school massacres, which ONLY claimed 3-13 lives, should be all that
difficult.
===CLIP===
You are quite correct that the school massacres have been, errr, duds when
compared to what they could have been.
So, assuming Frank was serious in his self-description and his promise of a
large massacre before the end of the decade, do you think he will carry thru
on it? Or do you think he has more likely burnt out and is no longer a
threat? Or has he changed directions and is perhaps a silent, active serial
killer? I just ask you, Joe, since you have been "accused" of being Frank
and you do seem to identify with him and share some similarities. Thus, you
could give a better educated guess about Frank than most others...
Joe1orbit
>news:19990603122609...@ng-cm1.aol.com...
>> First, let me say that this a BEAUTIFUL thread! Thanks for giving me the
>> chance to reply, since ALL the previous posts to this thread were made by
>or
>> quoted excommunicatees, I could not reply to them. It is just MARVELOUS to
>> witness the stupidity of you humans. I wish with all my heart that Frank
>IS
>> in fact a real person, totally serious in his life philosophies, as I am,
>free
>> as a bird, and perhaps even enjoying my posts.
"YaKnow" <NoS...@Bluefield.Net> Wrote:
>Glad to give you an opportunity...
Hello,
Okay.
>===CLIP===
>> Well, a determined predator can always succeed. The thing is, we simply
>have
>> NOT had a truly prolific mass murder in recent years, so unless Frank was
>> George Hennard, or Timothy McVeigh, I would like to think that he is still
>> free. Maybe serially killing? But in reality, I do not think that topping
>these
>> school massacres, which ONLY claimed 3-13 lives, should be all that
>difficult.
>===CLIP===
>You are quite correct that the school massacres have been, errr, duds when
>compared to what they could have been.
Indeed. No reason why even a LONE attacker should fail to kill at LEAST 20,
when they attack a school building, since pretty much EVERY classroom can be
expected to hold at least 20 humans, and with only one door, they would be
trapped inside and the killer could go to work and systematically kill each
child/teacher inside the "trapped" classroom.
>So, assuming Frank was serious in his self-description and his promise of a
>large massacre before the end of the decade, do you think he will carry thru
>on it? Or do you think he has more likely burnt out and is no longer a
>threat?
Haven't I already replied to this? I have NO WAY of knowing. Every human
being is UNIQUE, and has a unique True Reality experience of their own life.
From what I've read of Frank, he is certainly ENTITLED to seek and claim
homicidal vengeance. Whether he has or not, whether he will or not, I have NO
way of knowing or predicting.
> Or has he changed directions and is perhaps a silent, active serial
>killer?
That would certainly be a possibility.
> I just ask you, Joe, since you have been "accused" of being Frank
>and you do seem to identify with him and share some >similarities. Thus, you
>could give a better educated guess about Frank than most others...
Every human being is unique. No amount of 'similarities' could give me
genuine insight or knowledge about what lies at the core of someone else's True
Reality.
Take care, JOE
>
>
>
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>
> >
> >
> >Joe1orbit wrote:
> >
> >> "YaKnow" <NoS...@Bluefield.Net> Wrote:
> >>
> >> >Okay, IF we assume that Joe is Frank, then what about his promise of a
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> First, let me say that this a BEAUTIFUL thread! Thanks for giving me the
> >> chance to reply, since ALL the previous posts to this thread were made by
> >or
> >> quoted excommunicatees, I could not reply to them. It is just MARVELOUS to
> >> witness the stupidity of you humans. I wish with all my heart that Frank
> >IS
> >> in fact a real person, totally serious in his life philosophies, as I am,
> >free
> >> as a bird, and perhaps even enjoying my posts.
> >>
> >> >hadn't been quite so many such incidents. Now, just how does he top these
> >> >school shootings?
> >>
> >have
> >> NOT had a truly prolific mass murder in recent years, so unless Frank was
> >> George Hennard, or Timothy McVeigh, I would like to think that he is still
> >> free. Maybe serially killing? But in reality, I do not think that topping
> >these
> >> school massacres, which ONLY claimed 3-13 lives, should be all that
> >difficult.
> >>
> >> >Go really big? Never be seen again?
> >>
> >> I have no way of knowing. Judging from the quotes I have read, IF in fact
> >> they are accurate, he sounds like a sincere and determined and enraged
> >victim
> >> of society. So I would hope that he lives out his True Reality and ACHIEVED
> >&
> >> CLAIMS the violent vengeance he is entitled to.
> >>
> >> >wanting to stir up things?
> >>
> >>
> >> The glorious thing here, is that the Garbage Humans are so terrified of
> >me,
> >> as witnessed by this thread and their assumptions, past, present, and no
> >doubt
> >> future as well. Believe me, I have NO interest in diminishing their terror,
> >so
> >> YES, go right ahead folks, continue to embrace this assumption. I will
> >NEVER
> >> deny it. I will never confirm or deny any guess that is made as to my
> >identity.
> >> I will NEVER set you straight, because as I've said numerous times, IF you
> >ever
> >> DO learn exactly who I am, your minds will be absolutely boggled beyond
> >your
> >> wildest dreams. And if you live long enough, I do think there is a GOOD
> >chance
> >> that the complete Truth about me will someday be revealed, ONLY when I
> >DECIDE
> >> the time is right.
> >>
> >> Take care, JOE
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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> >Translation: Oh no! Must deny that I am Frank! Must deny that I am Frank!
> >But I
> >am Frank..........! Aggghh Deny it! Deny it!
>
> I'm starting to get the impression that, contrary to your expressed concerns
> about Monstra's safety, that you would actually LUV it if Joe went off on a
> rampage and savagely murdered a few people. Don't deny it, Jason. There's no
> other way to explain this sort of juvenile taunting other than you're trying to
> piss him off, is there?
>
> The truth is, you know Joe isn't going to kill anyone but, just like Joe, you
> need a target for your pent-up rage because you can't express it elsewhere.
> You're no better off than Joe, really. In fact, you may have a worse problem
> because, unlike Joe, you seem to have a far more difficult time controlling it.
> At least Joe has the ability to ignore people who piss him off.
>
Something occurs to me about Jason and his fascination with Joe and/or
Frank: what better cover for a mad killer than to fulminate against
"psychopaths?" Maybe it really *does* "take one to know one." Does
anyone know where Jason lives? Are there any unsolved murders, rapes or
other psycho-type crimes near there? Does he travel frequently? Was he
anywhere near Boulder on Christmas night 1996?
Suspicious,
Martha
R Weems Jr
and he mentioned having a fetish for painful feet. That was the one
that, with all the other similarities, such as the admiring of
serial killers, discussion of being "soul dead," being true to
one's "reality" and having been sexually abused by his father as a child
in the same manner as Joe, really made me go "hmmmm".
Anyway, even if Joe is FFF- which he specifically declined to deny
a while back - so what ? It's not like anyone knows who FFF is, AFAIK.
And even if people did know who FFF and Joe were- what would that
change- he's just exercizing his first amendment right to free speech
and is always careful not to admit to having broken any laws.
Robert
Halle 8
>> >Translation: Oh no! Must deny that I am Frank! Must deny that I am
>Frank!
>> >But I
>> >am Frank..........! Aggghh Deny it! Deny it!
>> I'm starting to get the impression that, contrary to your expressed
>concerns
>> rampage and savagely murdered a few people. Don't deny it, Jason. There's
>no
>> other way to explain this sort of juvenile taunting other than you're
>trying to
>> piss him off, is there?
>>
>> The truth is, you know Joe isn't going to kill anyone but, just like Joe,
>you
>> need a target for your pent-up rage because you can't express it elsewhere.
>> You're no better off than Joe, really. In fact, you may have a worse
>problem
>> because, unlike Joe, you seem to have a far more difficult time controlling
>it.
>> At least Joe has the ability to ignore people who piss him off.
>Something occurs to me about Jason and his fascination with Joe and/or
>Frank: what better cover for a mad killer than to fulminate against
>"psychopaths?" Maybe it really *does* "take one to know one." Does
>anyone know where Jason lives? Are there any unsolved murders, rapes or
>other psycho-type crimes near there? Does he travel frequently? Was he
>anywhere near Boulder on Christmas night 1996?
>
>Suspicious,
>Martha
Hmmm... interesting. I guess it makes sense that the last thing a psychopath
who's planning a murderous rampage would do is to advertise his intentions for
several years in a usenet newsgroup, where a subpoena to AOL by the FBI would
easily yield his name and address. No, a true psychopath would create a totally
false persona: the upstanding citizen and model netizen, lecturing others about
the dangers of, say, being kind to Joe. Ted Bundy worked at a suicide crisis
center, for pete's sake. John Wayne Gacy belonged to the chamber of commerce
and was a community volunteer. No one ever suspected these men werre capable of
the crimes they committed. I don't know of any serial killer who left a
carefully preserved and quite traceable legacy of his fantasies and intentions
going back years before the crimes ever took place. On the other hand, there
are many such killers who seem to have taken an inordinate interest in law
enforcement, community safety, counseling, and other protective services. I
would say that someone like Jason -- with his perverse and obsessive interest
in Joe; his very conscious effort to appear angry, shocked, and outraged by
him; and his repeated displays of concern for the safety of you and others here
-- seems exactly to fit the serial-murderer profile by providing the perfect
mask from behind which to vent his pent-up rage while at the same time aiding
him in identifying potential victims. People always say about this types of
killers, "He was the *last* person we ever thought would do such a monstrous
thing." That's how they manage to move unnoticed amongst us until it's far, far
too late to stop them.
Scared,
Halle
Sunny
hal...@aol.com (Halle 8) wrote:
> People always say about this types of
> killers, "He was the *last* person we ever thought would do such a monstrous
> thing."
There are two types of people who commit heinous crimes: the last
person we would ever think of; and the first person that comes to mind.
Halle 8
>> killer, "He was the *last* person we ever thought would do such a
>monstrous
>> thing."
>
>There are two types of people who commit heinous crimes: the last
>person we would ever think of; and the first person that comes to mind.
That's exactly right. The type I was referring to was the "Upstanding Citizen"
(Bundy and Gacy, for example). There is also, of course, the down-and-out,
obviously psychotic weirdo whom everyone figures was going to blow sometime --
maybe Henry Lee Lucas fits this category. So I think we need to be leery of
both the Joes and the Jasons who frequent this newsgroup -- both harbor a great
deal of rage and are obviously fascinated by and drawn to gruesome crimes and
those who commit them. Joe is more self-controlled; Jason tends to lose
control. Joe is able to avoid or ignore people who offend him; Jason seeks them
out and provokes them. Joe is very rigid in his habits; Jason seems to be all
over the place in terms of when he posts and the names he posts under. I would
tend to think that Joe would be a fastidious, organized killer, while Jason
would be much more impulsive and disorganized. I say keep an eye on both of
them.
Halle
Sharonpo
>And even if people did know who FFF and Joe were- what would that
>change- he's just exercizing his first amendment right to free speech
>and is always careful not to admit to having broken any laws.
FFF admits to attempted murder; The JOE adamantly denies breaking any laws.
The little feller has learned a lot in the last ~10 years.
Halle 8
>>R Weems Jr <El...@voyager.cris.com>
>
>>And even if people did know who FFF and Joe were- what would that
>>change- he's just exercizing his first amendment right to free speech
>>and is always careful not to admit to having broken any laws.
Sharonjoke:
>FFF admits to attempted murder; The JOE adamantly denies breaking any laws.
>
>The little feller has learned a lot in the last ~10 years.
[Translation: I command thee to believe me! FFF and The JOE ARE and SHALL BE
as ONE! I, the Sharon Eye, sayeth it and therefore maketh it TRUE! Yes!]
Every9man
From: hal...@aol.com (Halle 8)
Halle
~~~~~~~
I dunno Halle. Serial killers are often very bright. Think Jason is hiding his
brilliance in the guise of an idiot?
Barbara
Sharonpo
Anytime you post more than 10 words, I know you've be stimulated. It's usually
Mouthra who opens those dams of *brilliant rhetoric*, but everyone has a role
model.
>Hmmm... interesting. I guess it makes sense that the last thing a psychopath
>who's planning a murderous rampage would do is to advertise his intentions
Duh! The JOE has never stated that it intended to execute a *murderous
rampage*.
>for
>several years in a usenet newsgroup, where a subpoena to AOL by the FBI would
>easily yield his name and address.
The agencies that keep tabs on public loonies know exactly who this crackpot
is. The JOE is not posting disclaimers to appease anyone in this ng, right?
No, a true psychopath would create a
>totally
>false persona: the upstanding citizen and model netizen, lecturing others
>about
>the dangers of, say, being kind to Joe.
HAHAHahaha....ummmm.....uh.....a true psychopath is *highly* unlikely to spend
18 hours a day ensconced in the cyber heaven of anonymity, posting childish,
inflammatory bullshit to a newsgroup founded on intellectual conversation
(obviously supersceded in modern times by posting current events.)
Ted Bundy worked at a suicide crisis
>center, for pete's sake. John Wayne Gacy belonged to the chamber of commerce
>and was a community volunteer. No one ever suspected these men werre capable
>of
>the crimes they committed.
And The JOE is a slave to the end of the month. Getting any clues here?
>I don't know of any serial killer who left a
>carefully preserved and quite traceable legacy of his fantasies and
>intentions
>going back years before the crimes ever took place.
And you still don't. The JOE has never stated any intentions.
>On the other hand, there
>are many such killers who seem to have taken an inordinate interest in law
>enforcement, community safety, counseling, and other protective services. I
>would say that someone like Jason -- with his perverse and obsessive interest
>in Joe; his very conscious effort to appear angry, shocked, and outraged by
>him; and his repeated displays of concern for the safety of you and others
>here
>-- seems exactly to fit the serial-murderer profile by providing the perfect
>mask from behind which to vent his pent-up rage while at the same time aiding
>him in identifying potential victims.
Well, what can I say? You're blind and stupid. But, you're also bored and
trying to stir up more flames, so I hope you find something to do at work
tomorrow; you've obviously been *underutilized* for a long time.
Sharonpo
>That's exactly right. The type I was referring to was the "Upstanding
>Citizen"
>(Bundy and Gacy, for example). There is also, of course, the down-and-out,
>obviously psychotic weirdo whom everyone figures was going to blow sometime
>--
>maybe Henry Lee Lucas fits this category. So I think we need to be leery of
>both the Joes and the Jasons who frequent this newsgroup -- both harbor a
>great
>deal of rage and are obviously fascinated by and drawn to gruesome crimes and
>those who commit them. Joe is more self-controlled; Jason tends to lose
>control. Joe is able to avoid or ignore people who offend him; Jason seeks
>them
>out and provokes them. Joe is very rigid in his habits; Jason seems to be all
>over the place in terms of when he posts and the names he posts under. I
>would
>tend to think that Joe would be a fastidious, organized killer, while Jason
>would be much more impulsive and disorganized. I say keep an eye on both of
>them.
>
>Halle
>
[Translation: This is what I believe. No kidding, I *do * believe this. I
*promise* that I'm serious about it. And, I am not lying about it....too much.}
Sharonpo
>[Translation: I command thee to believe me! FFF and The JOE ARE and SHALL BE
>as ONE! I, the Sharon Eye, sayeth it and therefore maketh it TRUE! Yes!]
>
>
You have spit on your chin.
Halle 8
>
>From: hal...@aol.com (Halle 8)
>
>>
>>In article <19990604164307...@ng-cr1.aol.com>,
>>hal...@aol.com (Halle 8) wrote:
>>
>>> People always say about this type of
>>> killer, "He was the *last* person we ever thought would do such a
>>monstrous
>>> thing."
>>
>>There are two types of people who commit heinous crimes: the last
>>person we would ever think of; and the first person that comes to mind.
>
>Citizen"
>(Bundy and Gacy, for example). There is also, of course, the down-and-out,
>obviously psychotic weirdo whom everyone figures was going to blow sometime
>--
>maybe Henry Lee Lucas fits this category. So I think we need to be leery of
>both the Joes and the Jasons who frequent this newsgroup -- both harbor a
>great
>deal of rage and are obviously fascinated by and drawn to gruesome crimes and
>those who commit them. Joe is more self-controlled; Jason tends to lose
>control. Joe is able to avoid or ignore people who offend him; Jason seeks
>them
>out and provokes them. Joe is very rigid in his habits; Jason seems to be all
>over the place in terms of when he posts and the names he posts under. I
>would
>tend to think that Joe would be a fastidious, organized killer, while Jason
>would be much more impulsive and disorganized. I say keep an eye on both of
>them.
>
>Halle
>
>
>I dunno Halle. Serial killers are often very bright. Think Jason is hiding
>his
>brilliance in the guise of an idiot?
>
>Barbara
No, I think he'd more likely be the impulsive spree-killer. Do spree killers
have the same high intelligence that serial killers tend to have?
Halle
Halle 8
>Anytime you post more than 10 words, I know you've be stimulated. It's
>usually
>Mouthra who opens those dams of *brilliant rhetoric*, but everyone has a role
>model.
Whereas you simply open the cesspool outlet and let 'er rip.
Halle:
>>Hmmm... interesting. I guess it makes sense that the last thing a psychopath
>>who's planning a murderous rampage would do is to advertise his intentions
Sharondang:
>Duh! The JOE has never stated that it intended to execute a *murderous
>rampage*.
Well, dang, Sharon! Jason and Dizzy are going around sayin' that Joe's gonna
murder the Girl Gang! If Joe's not advertising his intentions, then I guess
it's jus' their paranoia. Huh?
Halle:
>>for
>>several years in a usenet newsgroup, where a subpoena to AOL by the FBI
>would
>>easily yield his name and address.
Sharonheck:
>The agencies that keep tabs on public loonies know exactly who this crackpot
>is. The JOE is not posting disclaimers to appease anyone in this ng, right?
Well, dangit, isn't that my point, Sharondang?
Halle:
> No, a true psychopath would create a
>>totally
>>false persona: the upstanding citizen and model netizen, lecturing others
>>about
>>the dangers of, say, being kind to Joe.
Sharondang:
>HAHAHahaha....ummmm.....uh.....a true psychopath is *highly* unlikely to
>spend
>18 hours a day ensconced in the cyber heaven of anonymity, posting childish,
>inflammatory bullshit to a newsgroup founded on intellectual conversation
>(obviously supersceded in modern times by posting current events.)
Oh, dang it to heck, Sharondang, you're dang right. A *true* psychopath would
be pleasantly exchanging pie recipes over at alt.cooking.
halle:
>Ted Bundy worked at a suicide crisis
>>center, for pete's sake. John Wayne Gacy belonged to the chamber of commerce
>>and was a community volunteer. No one ever suspected these men werre capable
>>of
>>the crimes they committed.
Sharonheck:
>And The JOE is a slave to the end of the month. Getting any clues here?
Well, huh. Like maybe he's an Amway distributor and has to go to a monthly
regional meeting? Who the hell knows? You're so brilliant, tell us the clues,
brainiac.
Halle:
>>I don't know of any serial killer who left a
>>carefully preserved and quite traceable legacy of his fantasies and
>>intentions
>>going back years before the crimes ever took place.
Sharonwhoops:
>And you still don't. The JOE has never stated any intentions.
Ya hear that, Dizzy? Ya got that, Jason? Now relax, you two.
Halle:
>>On the other hand, there
>>are many such killers who seem to have taken an inordinate interest in law
>>enforcement, community safety, counseling, and other protective services. I
>>would say that someone like Jason -- with his perverse and obsessive
>interest
>>in Joe; his very conscious effort to appear angry, shocked, and outraged by
>>him; and his repeated displays of concern for the safety of you and others
>>here
>>-- seems exactly to fit the serial-murderer profile by providing the perfect
>>mask from behind which to vent his pent-up rage while at the same time
>aiding
>>him in identifying potential victims.
>
Sharonoopsy:
>Well, what can I say? You're blind and stupid.
Well, dang, Sharon. It must be because your Lite-n-Luv (tm) is starting to go
dim. Could you turn up the wattage a little?
But, you're also bored and
>trying to stir up more flames, so I hope you find something to do at work
>tomorrow; you've obviously been *underutilized* for a long time.
Haven't you heard? The government shut down the Toxic Waste Disposal Company
where I was a Staff Associate. I'm bilking welfare now, just like Mothra. Just
so ya know.
H8
Halle 8
>> hal...@aol.com (Halle 8)
>
>>That's exactly right. The type I was referring to was the "Upstanding
>>Citizen"
>>(Bundy and Gacy, for example). There is also, of course, the down-and-out,
>>obviously psychotic weirdo whom everyone figures was going to blow sometime
>>--
>>maybe Henry Lee Lucas fits this category. So I think we need to be leery of
>>both the Joes and the Jasons who frequent this newsgroup -- both harbor a
>>great
>>deal of rage and are obviously fascinated by and drawn to gruesome crimes
>and
>>those who commit them. Joe is more self-controlled; Jason tends to lose
>>control. Joe is able to avoid or ignore people who offend him; Jason seeks
>>them
>>out and provokes them. Joe is very rigid in his habits; Jason seems to be
>all
>>over the place in terms of when he posts and the names he posts under. I
>>would
>>tend to think that Joe would be a fastidious, organized killer, while Jason
>>would be much more impulsive and disorganized. I say keep an eye on both of
>>them.
>>
>>Halle
>>
>
>
>*promise* that I'm serious about it. And, I am not lying about it....too
>much.}
[Translation: I have nothing to add to any substantive discussions going on
here, so I'll just drop a few turds here and there]
Halle 8
>>hal...@aol.com (Halle 8)
>
>>[Translation: I command thee to believe me! FFF and The JOE ARE and SHALL
>BE
>>as ONE! I, the Sharon Eye, sayeth it and therefore maketh it TRUE! Yes!]
Sharonpit:
>You have spit on your chin.
[Translation: Man, ya got me pegged, girl! Even down to the spittle drooling
down my dang chin!]
Every9man
From: hal...@aol.com (Halle 8)
Date: Fri, Jun 4, 1999 10:37 PM
Message-id: <19990604223725...@ng-cb1.aol.com>
>
>
>From: hal...@aol.com (Halle 8)
>
>>
>>In article <19990604164307...@ng-cr1.aol.com>,
>>hal...@aol.com (Halle 8) wrote:
>>
>>> People always say about this type of
>>> killer, "He was the *last* person we ever thought would do such a
>>monstrous
>>> thing."
>>
>>There are two types of people who commit heinous crimes: the last
>>person we would ever think of; and the first person that comes to mind.
>
>That's exactly right. The type I was referring to was the "Upstanding
>Citizen"
>(Bundy and Gacy, for example). There is also, of course, the down-and-out,
>obviously psychotic weirdo whom everyone figures was going to blow sometime
>--
>maybe Henry Lee Lucas fits this category. So I think we need to be leery of
>both the Joes and the Jasons who frequent this newsgroup -- both harbor a
>great
>deal of rage and are obviously fascinated by and drawn to gruesome crimes and
>those who commit them. Joe is more self-controlled; Jason tends to lose
>control. Joe is able to avoid or ignore people who offend him; Jason seeks
>them
>out and provokes them. Joe is very rigid in his habits; Jason seems to be all
>over the place in terms of when he posts and the names he posts under. I
>would
>tend to think that Joe would be a fastidious, organized killer, while Jason
>would be much more impulsive and disorganized. I say keep an eye on both of
>them.
>
>Halle
>
>~~~~~~~
>
>I dunno Halle. Serial killers are often very bright. Think Jason is hiding
>his
>brilliance in the guise of an idiot?
>
>Barbara
No, I think he'd more likely be the impulsive spree-killer. Do spree killers
have the same high intelligence that serial killers tend to have?
Halle
~~~~~~~~~
Dunno, maybe Joe could shed some light on it.
Barbara
Jason...@virgin.net
Halle 8 wrote:
IQ of 150, not quite an idiot!
Spent last 7 years in medical research after graduating from Liverpool University.
Not an idiot or a killer, just have an interest in the psychology of serial
killers and serial killer wannabes.
Think what you like, I care little!
ciao
Jason
Halle 8
Barbara, to get back to your question: Yes.
Halle
Halle 8
>have the same high intelligence that serial killers tend to have?
>
>Halle
>
>
>Dunno, maybe Joe could shed some light on it.
>
>Barbara
Yes, if anyone would know, it would be Joe.
Joe, do you know anything about the average intelligence of serial killers
versus spree killers?
Halle
Joe1orbit
>>Do spree killers
>>have the same high intelligence that serial killers tend to have?
>>
>>Halle
>>
>>~~~~~~~~~
Barbara Wrote:
>>Dunno, maybe Joe could shed some light on it.
>>
>>Barbara
hal...@aol.com (Halle 8) Wrote:
>Yes, if anyone would know, it would be Joe.
Hello Halle,
Thanks for reposting the query. I obviously could NOT reply to Barbara's
post, since it mentioned the name of an excommunicatee.
>Joe, do you know anything about the average intelligence of serial killers
>versus spree killers?
I know that serial killers are considered and have proven themselves to be
the MOST intelligent class of criminal predators in existence. On average,
their IQ's are higher than mass murderers, spree killers, bank robbers, even
white collar embezzlers and the like.
Spree and mass killers still have significantly higher IQ's than other
classes of criminals, but not quite as high as that of serial killers.
Take care, JOE
>Halle
>
>
>
>
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From: joe1...@aol.com (Joe1orbit)
>Halle Wrote:
>>>Do spree killers
>>>have the same high intelligence that serial killers tend to have?
>>>Halle
>>
>>Barbara Wrote:
>>>Dunno, maybe Joe could shed some light on it.
>>
>>>Barbara
hal...@aol.com (Halle 8) Wrote:
>>Yes, if anyone would know, it would be Joe.
>Hello Halle,
> Thanks for reposting the query. I obviously could NOT reply to Barbara's
>post, since it mentioned the name of an excommunicatee.
Yes, I know Joe, that's why I framed the question the way I did. I just should
have started a new thread though.
>>Joe, do you know anything about the average intelligence of serial killers
>>versus spree killers?
> I know that serial killers are considered and have proven themselves to be
>the MOST intelligent class of criminal predators in existence. On average,
>their IQ's are higher than mass murderers, spree killers, bank robbers, even
>white collar embezzlers and the like.
> Spree and mass killers still have significantly higher IQ's than other
>classes of criminals, but not quite as high as that of serial killers.
> Take care, JOE
Thanks for clarifying it Joe.
I imagine that someone with above normal intelligence is often turned on by
intellectual challenges such as those posed in attempting to escape detection.
Barbara
>Halle
Debby Sobwick
> several years in a usenet newsgroup, where a subpoena to AOL by the FBI would
> false persona: the upstanding citizen and model netizen, lecturing others about
> center, for pete's sake. John Wayne Gacy belonged to the chamber of commerce
> and was a community volunteer. No one ever suspected these men werre capable of
> carefully preserved and quite traceable legacy of his fantasies and intentions
> are many such killers who seem to have taken an inordinate interest in law
> enforcement, community safety, counseling, and other protective services. I
> would say that someone like Jason -- with his perverse and obsessive interest
> in Joe; his very conscious effort to appear angry, shocked, and outraged by
> him; and his repeated displays of concern for the safety of you and others here
> -- seems exactly to fit the serial-murderer profile by providing the perfect
> mask from behind which to vent his pent-up rage while at the same time aiding
> killers, "He was the *last* person we ever thought would do such a monstrous
> thing." That's how they manage to move unnoticed amongst us until it's far, far
> too late to stop them.
>
> Scared,
> Halle
K. Debby S.<sarg...@injersey.com> although
I must admit it is not usual.
Debby Sobwick
>
> Subject: Re: More on Full Force Frank
> From: hal...@aol.com (Halle 8)
> Date: Fri, Jun 4, 1999 10:37 PM
> Message-id: <19990604223725...@ng-cb1.aol.com>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>In article <19990604164307...@ng-cr1.aol.com>,
> >>hal...@aol.com (Halle 8) wrote:
> >>
> >>> killer, "He was the *last* person we ever thought would do such a
> >>monstrous
> >>> thing."
> >>
> have the same high intelligence that serial killers tend to have?
>
> Halle
>
>
> Dunno, maybe Joe could shed some light on it.
>
> Barbara
How many of us are capable of
murder???? Debby
S.<sarg...@injersey.com>
Debby Sobwick
>
> > hal...@aol.com (Halle 8)
>
> >That's exactly right. The type I was referring to was the "Upstanding
> >Citizen"
> >(Bundy and Gacy, for example). There is also, of course, the down-and-out,
> >obviously psychotic weirdo whom everyone figures was going to blow sometime
> >--
> >maybe Henry Lee Lucas fits this category. So I think we need to be leery of
> >both the Joes and the Jasons who frequent this newsgroup -- both harbor a
> >great
> >deal of rage and are obviously fascinated by and drawn to gruesome crimes and
> >those who commit them. Joe is more self-controlled; Jason tends to lose
> >control. Joe is able to avoid or ignore people who offend him; Jason seeks
> >them
> >out and provokes them. Joe is very rigid in his habits; Jason seems to be all
> >over the place in terms of when he posts and the names he posts under. I
> >would
> >tend to think that Joe would be a fastidious, organized killer, while Jason
> >would be much more impulsive and disorganized. I say keep an eye on both of
> >them.
> >
> >Halle
> >
>
> *promise* that I'm serious about it. And, I am not lying about it....too much.}
you this,
too... Debby
S.<sarg...@injersey.com>
Every9man
From: Debby Sobwick <sarg...@injersey.com>
Every9man wrote:
> >
> >
> >From: hal...@aol.com (Halle 8)
> >
> >>hal...@aol.com (Halle 8) wrote:
> >>
> >>> People always say about this type of
> >>> killer, "He was the *last* person we ever thought would do such a
> >>monstrous
> >>> thing."
> >>
> >>There are two types of people who commit heinous crimes: the last
> >>person we would ever think of; and the first person that comes to mind.
> >
> >That's exactly right. The type I was referring to was the "Upstanding
> >Citizen"
> >(Bundy and Gacy, for example). There is also, of course, the down-and-out,
> >obviously psychotic weirdo whom everyone figures was going to blow sometime
> >--
> >maybe Henry Lee Lucas fits this category. So I think we need to be leery of
> >both the Joes and the Jasons who frequent this newsgroup -- both harbor a
> >great
> >deal of rage and are obviously fascinated by and drawn to gruesome crimes
and
> >those who commit them. Joe is more self-controlled; Jason tends to lose
> >control. Joe is able to avoid or ignore people who offend him; Jason seeks
> >them
> >out and provokes them. Joe is very rigid in his habits; Jason seems to be
all
> >over the place in terms of when he posts and the names he posts under. I
> >would
> >tend to think that Joe would be a fastidious, organized killer, while Jason
> >would be much more impulsive and disorganized. I say keep an eye on both of
> >them.
> >
> >Halle
> >
> >~~~~~~~
> >
> >I dunno Halle. Serial killers are often very bright. Think Jason is hiding
> >his
> >brilliance in the guise of an idiot?
> >
> >Barbara
>
> No, I think he'd more likely be the impulsive spree-killer. Do spree killers
> have the same high intelligence that serial killers tend to have?
>
> Halle
>
> ~~~~~~~~~
>
> Dunno, maybe Joe could shed some light on it.
>
> Barbara
^Dear Halle and Barbara: Actually this brings up a facinating thought...
^How many of us are capable of
^murder???? Debby
^S.<sarg...@injersey.com>
Good thought Debby. IMNSHO everyone is capable of murder if pushed far enough.
Well, perhaps not a Buddhist monk:)
Barbara