JonBenet Ramsey case: The SBTC?
Tanya Noreen
The Rocky Mountain News this morning (1/23) reported that the "ransom
note" found in the Ramsey home contained the acronym SBTC, which possibly
stands for Subic Bay Training Center, a base in the Philippines where
John Ramsey once served.
Furthermore, four misspellings in the note appear to be deliberate. The
note contained the word "possession" misspelled, while more difficult
words to spell, such as attache, were correctly spelled.
Curiouser and curiouser. Anyone care to speculate what a 30-year-old
reference to John Ramsey's prior Navy career was doing in a ransom note
regarding his daughter?
TK
----
Tanya K. Noreen
Seattle University School Of Law '99
tan...@seattleu.edu
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."- Hunter S. Thompson
----
Betsy
You know, the more I hear about this "ransom" note, the more it just
sounds like a desperate cry for help. Could it possibly be filled with
more arcane John Ramsey trivia? I'm wondering if the writer of the note
didn't take a thump on the head with the golf club, too. -- Betsy
In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.970123...@bach.seattleu.edu>,
Elaine
In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.970123...@bach.seattleu.edu>,
Tanya Noreen <tan...@seattleu.edu> wrote:
>
>The Rocky Mountain News this morning (1/23) reported that the "ransom
>note" found in the Ramsey home contained the acronym SBTC, which possibly
>stands for Subic Bay Training Center, a base in the Philippines where
>John Ramsey once served.
>
>Furthermore, four misspellings in the note appear to be deliberate. The
>note contained the word "possession" misspelled, while more difficult
>words to spell, such as attache, were correctly spelled.
>
were/were not misspelled? Elaine
DLE
Nah. His mother's dead. Remember his father married his grandmother?
--
"It has become appallingly clear that our technology
has surpassed our humanity" Albert Einstein
> >Curiouser and curiouser. Anyone care to speculate what a 30-year-old
> >reference to John Ramsey's prior Navy career was doing in a ransom note
> >regarding his daughter?
> >
> *His* mother did it?.....vt
>
Tanya Noreen
On 23 Jan 1997, Elaine wrote:
> Tanya Noreen <tan...@seattleu.edu> wrote:
> >The Rocky Mountain News this morning (1/23) reported that the "ransom
> >note" found in the Ramsey home contained the acronym SBTC, which possibly
> >stands for Subic Bay Training Center, a base in the Philippines where
> >John Ramsey once served.
> >Furthermore, four misspellings in the note appear to be deliberate. The
> >note contained the word "possession" misspelled, while more difficult
> >words to spell, such as attache, were correctly spelled.
Elaine wrote:
> Where did you get the information about the words that
> were/were not misspelled? Elaine
And I write: From the RMN, 1/23.
Tanya Noreen
On 24 Jan 1997, Chris Borg wrote:
> I'm dyslexic and a very poor speller. I use a dictionary for
> everything..but I can spell some very difficult words right and misspell
> the easiest words worng. So the misspellings don't mean s**t. BTW the
> Ramsey did not kill JonBenet.
<Some stuff that I wrote deleted>
How's that fantasy life treating you, Chris? Good? I hope so. I bet
that in your mind, OJ didn't kill Ron and Nicole either. And JFK
committed suicide. Sheesh.
When you demonstrate that you know what you are talking about by using
evidence to back up your claims, we will all start to believe you.
Until then, keep your condescending, patronizing comments to yourself.
Thanks.
TK
Tanya Noreen
On 23 Jan 1997, Betsy wrote:
> You know, the more I hear about this "ransom" note, the more it just
> sounds like a desperate cry for help. Could it possibly be filled with
> more arcane John Ramsey trivia?
Only if it includes his underwear size, favorite musical artist,
and pet peeve!
> I'm wondering if the writer of the note
> didn't take a thump on the head with the golf club, too. -- Betsy
I don't know, but if he didn't, I'd like to be the first in line
to administer it!
TK
Chris Borg
I'm dyslexic and a very poor speller. I use a dictionary for
everything..but I can spell some very difficult words right and misspell
the easiest words worng. So the misspellings don't mean s**t. BTW the
Ramsey did not kill JonBenet.
: Furthermore, four misspellings in the note appear to be deliberate. The
: note contained the word "possession" misspelled, while more difficult
: words to spell, such as attache, were correctly spelled.
: Curiouser and curiouser. Anyone care to speculate what a 30-year-old
: reference to John Ramsey's prior Navy career was doing in a ransom note
: regarding his daughter?
: TK
Chris Borg
GET A LIFE
Tanya Noreen (tan...@seattleu.edu) wrote:
: On 24 Jan 1997, Chris Borg wrote:
: > I'm dyslexic and a very poor speller. I use a dictionary for
: > everything..but I can spell some very difficult words right and misspell
: > the easiest words worng. So the misspellings don't mean s**t. BTW the
: > Ramsey did not kill JonBenet.
: <Some stuff that I wrote deleted>
Reality's Bitch
:> Tanya Noreen (tan...@seattleu.edu) wrote:
: Chris Borg wrote: I'm dyslexic and a very poor speller. I use a dictionary
: for everything..but I can spell some very difficult words right and
: misspell the easiest words worng. So the misspellings don't mean s**t. BTW
: the Ramsey did not kill JonBenet.
:> How's that fantasy life treating you, Chris? Good? I hope so. I bet
:> that in your mind, OJ didn't kill Ron and Nicole either.
oj confessed when he returned from Chicago...wanted to plea-bargain and
thought he should get probation, *only*. Give him 5 (?) years and he'll
pull a dan white...
:> When you demonstrate that you know what you are talking about by using
:> evidence to back up your claims, we will all start to believe you.
:> Until then, keep your condescending, patronizing comments to yourself.
Hmmmm...without a *SHRED* of evidence, it's Perfectly OK to say things
such as:
Patsy Ramsey was a raging, psychotic *bitch* with Munchaussen-by-Proxy;
John Ramsey had been molesting her for *years* and finally made a Mistake
(but is such an idiot that he knows *nothing* about DNA testing);
Little Boy Burke/Big Bro was insanely jealous of JonBebet and whacked her;
They threw her down the stairs/hit her over the head with a golf club;
There's Absolutely No Way it could have been an "outsider".
~~ ~~~
But one needs "evidence" to say, "BTW, the Ramseys didn't kill JonBebet"???
The saddest part is that I'm seeing this from people attending *law* school!
No, wait...I take that back. The Saddest Part is that I know (from personal
experience) *none* of you who say these things would've been willing to step
in (had you thought JonBebet was being Abused) beFORE her death.
Again...JonBebet is dead. If you *really* Care, start helping the abused
children in your *NEIGHBORHOODS*!!!
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" She who has mellowed into fine wine was first stomped in the vat of Life. "
vcz
Born to Opine
CyberEye
In article <5cah8h$a27$1...@news.flinet.com>, v...@flinet.com says...
>
Dear Mr. or Ms. R. Bitch:
HTTP:// yourself on over to www.bouldernews.com today then come back
and let us know what you found.
Sincerely,
CyberEye
Tanya Noreen
On 24 Jan 1997, Reality's Bitch wrote:
> Hmmmm...without a *SHRED* of evidence, it's Perfectly OK to say things
> such as:
>
> Patsy Ramsey was a raging, psychotic *bitch* with Munchaussen-by-Proxy;
> John Ramsey had been molesting her for *years* and finally made a Mistake
> (but is such an idiot that he knows *nothing* about DNA testing);
> Little Boy Burke/Big Bro was insanely jealous of JonBebet and whacked her;
> They threw her down the stairs/hit her over the head with a golf club;
> There's Absolutely No Way it could have been an "outsider".
Nobody has said that on this newsgroup. Maybe people have
alluded to it, suggested it, or thought it, but the last time I checked,
these things are not illegal.
> But one needs "evidence" to say, "BTW, the Ramseys didn't kill JonBebet"???
> The saddest part is that I'm seeing this from people attending *law* school!
When I see one piece of exculpatory evidence that tends to NOT
implicate John or Patsy Ramsey, I'll talk about it. Until then, I'll
stand by my theory. As for people attending *law* school, the Usenet is
not a courtroom. Do not for a minute think that it is. Courtrooms use
the Rules of Evidence. The Usenet does not. To compare Usenet to a
courtroom and say that the same rules apply is to compare apples to
oranges.
> No, wait...I take that back. The Saddest Part is that I know (from personal
> experience) *none* of you who say these things would've been willing to step
> in (had you thought JonBebet was being Abused) beFORE her death.
I'm glad you have more evidence to back that up.
Betsy
Snappy, original comeback
In article <5c9nun$d...@jeeves.usfca.edu>, bo...@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Chris
Borg) wrote:
> GET A LIFE
>
> Tanya Noreen (tan...@seattleu.edu) wrote:
> : On 24 Jan 1997, Chris Borg wrote:
>
> : > I'm dyslexic and a very poor speller. I use a dictionary for
> : > everything..but I can spell some very difficult words right and misspell
> : > the easiest words worng. So the misspellings don't mean s**t. BTW the
> : > Ramsey did not kill JonBenet.
>
> : <Some stuff that I wrote deleted>
>
> : How's that fantasy life treating you, Chris? Good? I hope so. I bet
> : that in your mind, OJ didn't kill Ron and Nicole either. And JFK
> : committed suicide. Sheesh.
>
> : When you demonstrate that you know what you are talking about by using
> : evidence to back up your claims, we will all start to believe you.
> : Until then, keep your condescending, patronizing comments to yourself.
> : Thanks.
>
>
>
> : TK
Dianne Murray
:No, wait...I take that back. The Saddest Part is that I know (from
personal
:experience) *none* of you who say these things would've been willing to
step
:in (had you thought JonBebet was being Abused) beFORE her death.
:Again...JonBebet is dead. If you *really* Care, start helping the abused
:children in your *NEIGHBORHOODS*!!!
Reality's Bitch,
What a pretentious and condescending pair of statements. I dare say a few
people here or anywhere would have quite willingly stepped in to help had
they known JB and had known of abuse. And I, for one, am saying some of
the things you list and am, also, working to help abused children and adult
survivors of abuse in my neighborhood.
Reality may be a bitch for you but, for many of us, it is something we have
learned to live with.
--
Dianne Murray
Abuse Away Counseling Services
Dallas
1dmu...@airmail.net
http://web2.airmail.net/1dmurray
doug haire
Tanya Noreen (tan...@seattleu.edu) wrote:
:
: The Rocky Mountain News this morning (1/23) reported that the "ransom
: note" found in the Ramsey home contained the acronym SBTC, which possibly
: stands for Subic Bay Training Center, a base in the Philippines where
: John Ramsey once served.
I was in the Navy between 1965 and 1969 and did a couple of WesPac tours
(6 and 7 month cruises to the Western Pacific area). One of our regular
ports was Subic Bay. As I recall it, it was not a training center so much
as a repair port. I certainly don't recall it being called Subic Bay
Training Center but Subic Bay Naval Station. There may have been a section
of the base housing a formerly named Training Center, however.
Man, does that bring back some interesting memories....
sbo...@tricon.net
> In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.970123...@bach.seattleu.edu>,
> Tanya Noreen <tan...@seattleu.edu> wrote:
>
> > The Rocky Mountain News this morning (1/23) reported that the "ransom
> > note" found in the Ramsey home contained the acronym SBTC, which possibly
> > stands for Subic Bay Training Center, a base in the Philippines where
> > John Ramsey once served.
> >
> > Furthermore, four misspellings in the note appear to be deliberate. The
> > note contained the word "possession" misspelled, while more difficult
> > words to spell, such as attache, were correctly spelled.
> >
> > Curiouser and curiouser. Anyone care to speculate what a 30-year-old
> > reference to John Ramsey's prior Navy career was doing in a ransom note
> > regarding his daughter?
> >
> > TK
> >
> > ----
> > Tanya K. Noreen
> > Seattle University School Of Law '99
> > tan...@seattleu.edu
> > "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."- Hunter S. Thompson
> > ----
OK, I bite. Here's my rank amateur speculation: The image-conscious John
Ramsey, having committed the murder, composes a rambling 3-page fake ransom
note intended to confuse authorities with phoney references to international
terrorists, business intrigue, etc. For good measure, he throws in a
reference to his long-forgotten naval career hoping to generate sympathy for
himself as a military man (just in case the tabloids didn't bother to check
back that far).
Amy
Kimberley
In article <betsyb1-2401...@max3-vgd-ca-41.earthlink.net>,
bet...@earthlink.net says...
-- I have to ask what in Chris' post warranted such a nasty comeback?
Couldn't your point have been made without making personalized attacks on
the writer? Well at least you didn't tell him to FUCK OFF. LOLOL
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
You can't fool all of the people all of the time...Abraham Lincoln
erinj
sbo...@tricon.net wrote in article
>
> OK, I bite. Here's my rank amateur speculation: The image-conscious
John
> Ramsey, having committed the murder, composes a rambling 3-page fake
ransom
> note intended to confuse authorities with phoney references to
international
> terrorists, business intrigue, etc. For good measure, he throws in a
> reference to his long-forgotten naval career hoping to generate sympathy
for
> himself as a military man (just in case the tabloids didn't bother to
check
> back that far).
>
> Amy
>
>
Another reason would be to send the police on a wild goose chase, since his
military career dates back so far. Just to make it really impossible for
the police to get any leads.
erinj
David K. Bryant
dha...@gate.net (doug haire) writes:
>Tanya Noreen (tan...@seattleu.edu) wrote:
>: The Rocky Mountain News this morning (1/23) reported that the "ransom
>: note" found in the Ramsey home contained the acronym SBTC, which possibly
>: stands for Subic Bay Training Center, a base in the Philippines where
>: John Ramsey once served.
>I was in the Navy between 1965 and 1969 and did a couple of WesPac tours
>(6 and 7 month cruises to the Western Pacific area). One of our regular
>ports was Subic Bay. As I recall it, it was not a training center so much
>as a repair port. I certainly don't recall it being called Subic Bay
>Training Center but Subic Bay Naval Station.
But the name would have been Naval Station Subic Bay not
Subic Bay Naval Station. The location was usually subordinate
in the naming convention... Ship Repair Facility Subic Bay,
Naval Air Station Cubi Point, Cruiser/Destroyer Forces WestPac, etc.
Also, I doubt that it would be called Subic Bay Training Center.
Naval Training Center Subic Bay perhaps but all of the NTCs are/were
in CONUS... San Diego, Great Lakes, and Orlando.
Before passing judgement on the Rocky Mountain News' spin
on SBTC I'd have to see the text of the ransom note... it could
just be more journalistic incompetency.
>Man, does that bring back some interesting memories....
Keep them to your self. You wife could be lurking. :-)
Where was the Brinkley Bass (Doug's ship) during July of '68?
Did our paths cross in Subic too? Oh, Doug, if you are interested
and plan to be in the DC area, you can call 202-433-0824 and
arrange to review the B.B.'s deck log or 202-433-3170 to see
the operational log book and war diary.
Tanya Noreen
I like the way this girl thinks.
Reality's Bitch
> Dear Mr. or Ms. R. Bitch:
That's "Ms. Bitch, Ma'am, *SIR*!", to *you*... ;-D
~~~
> HTTP:// yourself on over to www.bouldernews.com today then come back
> and let us know what you found. Sincerely, CyberEye
:> That really, really Angry, condescending, and patronizing "law student"
:> (who believes it's okay for *her* to have Threories, but that everyone
:> *else* must provide "evidence") wrote: When you demonstrate that you know
:> what you are talking about by using evidence to back up your claims, we
:> will all start to believe you. Until then, keep your condescending,
:> patronizing comments to yourself.
"We will *all* start to believe you"? What've you got...*mice* in your
pockets???
>> And I responded: Hmmmm...without a *SHRED* of evidence, it's Perfectly
>> OK to say things such as:
>> Patsy Ramsey was a raging, psychotic *bitch* with Munchaussen-by-Proxy;
Didn't find anything to substantiate *this* on bouldernews...
But it never ceases to Amaze me how much *Hatred* is displayed towards women
at the slightest provocation. The absolute *glee* with which Patsy is being
raked across the coals (even though said rakers believe *John* was both the
molester and the murderer) is what Bothers me.
Men murder their children every day...they'll *never* be treated as "we" did
susan smith. Then again, we live in a society where, if an abuser kills his
wife/girlfriend, he'll do 18 months to 4 years. But if the abUSED kills her
aBUSER (even in "immediate" self-defense), she'll do *LIFE*!
>> John Ramsey had been molesting her for *years* and finally made a Mistake
>> (but is such an idiot that he knows *nothing* about DNA testing);
Nothing to substantiate this, either...
>> Little Boy Burke/Big Bro was insanely jealous of JonBenet and whacked her;
Nor this...
>> They threw her down the stairs/hit her over the head with a golf club;
Nor this...
>> There's Absolutely No Way it could have been an "outsider".
And, DEFinitely not this.
>> But one needs "evidence" to say, "BTW, the Ramseys didn't kill JonBenet"???
Haven't found any Evidence that the Ramsey's are Innocent, either. HowEVER!
1. Does the fact that they hired attorneys (and, sorry, but one for each
would be considered Standard Practice) make them Guilty? No. It might mean
they wanted to make sure they were "prepared" as the body was found in their
home, and police and society are often Perfectly Happy merely beLIEVing the
"guilty party(ies)" has(have) been caught...as long as SOMEone is "paying",
we *rarely* care whether or not the case was actually solved.
2. Patsy was fully dressed at 5:30am, and *this* makes her either Murderer
or Accomplice??? Wait'll my *Mother* hears this!!! I hope I get a chance
to tell her before she's arrested for...for...for being Anal Retentive?
3. They hired a publicist, which points to their Guilt. How about, John
Ramsey is the CEO of a billion-dollar company w/ connections to the pentagon.
He *had* to have known there'd be more calls than his voicemail could handle.
And one wrong move could cost them *business*!!! Do *I* think this should
be The Most Important Consideration? NO! But I'm sure his employees might
be grateful that he didn't let the entire company go under while dealing
with the death of his daughter...
4. They haven't gone in for a formal interview (never mind that they spoke
with the police on Day 1 and gave samples for DNA testing), and *this* is a
Sure Sign of Guilt. What if they thought, "FUCK you! We've already told
you everything we know. Why aren't you out looking for the *real* Killer???
Forget it. We'll hire investigators and find him, ourSELVES!" Who can say
whether or not they've also hired a "hit-man"...
5. JonBenet was Abused simply by being coerced into the pageants. One look
at her eyes would tell *ANYone* this girl was *not* a Happy Camper...but the
pageants are *hardly* a "new phenomenon". And I would *LOVE* to see those
who are so Outraged actually walk up to parents they *KNOW* and talk about
their Abuse of kids in little league/pop warner/gymnastics/etc!!! But I
know that you *won't*!
~~~~~
Should we have a case wherein a *father* pushed his son to be aggressive and
violent in order to "succeed" at *football*, and the kid turned out to be a
Bully who murdered another child, we would *NEVER* see the outpouring of
Hatred towards *him* that I am seeing towards Patsy.
And superbowl sunday is the day more women are murdered (or wind up in the
emergency room) than at any other time. Hell, monday night football fills
the wards. But I doubt that *any* of you will get off your asses and try
to end *this* Travesty... ~~~
6. *If* John/Patsy wrote the ransom note, *why* would they use the 118k
figure??? The guy's probably worth *millions*!!! I'd have asked for at
*least* a million...no wait, I'd have asked for *ten* mil, which would've
given me an "excuse" to liquefy assets (preparing to pay the ransom), then
taken the cash, jumped in my learjet, and headed for a country with no
extradition. I wouldn't be hanging around and waiting for the DNA results
to come in...
I could go On and On (or have I, already?)...but I think I've made my point.
The DNA results should be in, soon. And I'm not so filled with Anger, in
general, that I need Patsy Ramsey as a whipping post.
The thing that Bothers me the *MOST* is that, should it turn out to be the
"Santa" who'd decided he needed a vacation in Spain (say *what*???), those
who so *Viciously* concocted their "intelligent theories" will do little
in the way of Introspection...
>> The saddest part is that I'm seeing this from people attending *law*
>> school!
Now, there's *plenty* of evidence to support *this*...
>> No, wait...I take that back. The Saddest Part is that I know (from
>> personal experience) *none* of you who say these things would've been
>> willing to step in (had you thought JonBenet was being Abused) beFORE her
>> death.
And this as well...
I took the nom dp "Reality's Bitch" because, no matter where I run, "he"
(Reality) finds me and drags me "home". "Denial" won't give me the time
of day...
I *have* confronted family members, employers, "friends", co-workers,
neighbors, and *strangers* when it was necessary to take a Stand about
these and other Issues (domestic violence, sexism, racism, or just the
oh-so-prevalent assholism).
Because I was *born* Knowing, with every fibre of my Being, that "all that
is necessary for Evil to flourish is for the good to do Nothing." But I
had to *learn* that this planet is filled-to-overflowing with those who
need to kill the Messenger in the end.
Speaking Out, though it saves lives, will Cost you, *Big* Time...try it and
See. It's *easy* to sit at a computer and puke bile through the keyboard...
>> Again...JonBenet is dead. If you *really* Care, start helping the abused
>> children in your *NEIGHBORHOODS*!!!
Yup. I'm sure there are *plenty* awaiting your Assistance...
stet...@aol.com
In article <01baea73$7f1aa060$37e6...@1dmurray.airmail.net>, "Dianne
Murray" <1dmu...@airmail.net> writes:
>And I, for one, . . . am, also, working to help abused children
And I for two have a career I hope helps children. I think Diane and I
are among many readers of this list who work in fields of abuse and
neglect prevention in one manner or another.
S. Glover
Attorney at Law
Writing in Personal Capacity Only/Not Legal Advice
doug haire
David K. Bryant (dbr...@netcom.com) wrote:
: dha...@gate.net (doug haire) writes:
:
: >Tanya Noreen (tan...@seattleu.edu) wrote:
: >: The Rocky Mountain News this morning (1/23) reported that the "ransom
: >: note" found in the Ramsey home contained the acronym SBTC, which possibly
: >: stands for Subic Bay Training Center, a base in the Philippines where
: >: John Ramsey once served.
:
: >I was in the Navy between 1965 and 1969 and did a couple of WesPac tours
: >(6 and 7 month cruises to the Western Pacific area). One of our regular
: >ports was Subic Bay. As I recall it, it was not a training center so much
: >as a repair port. I certainly don't recall it being called Subic Bay
: >Training Center but Subic Bay Naval Station.
:
: But the name would have been Naval Station Subic Bay not
: Subic Bay Naval Station. The location was usually subordinate
: in the naming convention... Ship Repair Facility Subic Bay,
: Naval Air Station Cubi Point, Cruiser/Destroyer Forces WestPac, etc.
:
: Also, I doubt that it would be called Subic Bay Training Center.
: Naval Training Center Subic Bay perhaps but all of the NTCs are/were
: in CONUS... San Diego, Great Lakes, and Orlando.
You are correct about about the naming convention, I had forgotten that.
: Before passing judgement on the Rocky Mountain News' spin
: on SBTC I'd have to see the text of the ransom note... it could
: just be more journalistic incompetency.
I suspect we will not see the text of that note until such time as someone
is charged and the trial begins.
: >Man, does that bring back some interesting memories....
:
: Keep them to your self. You wife could be lurking. :-)
She's heard some of them.... But not all... :)
: Where was the Brinkley Bass (Doug's ship) during July of '68?
: Did our paths cross in Subic too?
I'm still looking for my cruise books. I know they are around here
somewhere. I think we were stateside in July of that year but I can't be
sure.
: Oh, Doug, if you are interested
: and plan to be in the DC area, you can call 202-433-0824 and
: arrange to review the B.B.'s deck log or 202-433-3170 to see
: the operational log book and war diary.
I will keep those numbers for future reference. I hadn't thought that was
available to the public. Thanks!
CyberEye
In article <Pine.BSI.3.91.970125175100....@shell.flinet.com>, Reality's says...
>
Dear Mr. or Ms. R. Bitch, Ma'am:
I have to agree that Patsy is getting horrendous treatment on this ng
and elsewhere by folks who don't have a shred of evidence that she's
done anything at all. As a matter of fact she most likely adored that
child and what we think of pageants and the like doesn't mean piffle.
HOWEVER, a statement was attributed to her on, I think AJ Friday night.
Quoted by a neighbor, friend, "source close to..." or whatever I don't
know and certainly I don't know if it's even true BUT what Patsy
supposedly said was that she wished that her cancer would come back so
she could be with JonBenet.
If she did say this it sure doesn't seem like she cares one whole hell
of a lot for that little boy of hers now does it, nor her husband for
that matter and frankly this is the attitude she projects.
MS. CyberEye
Reality's Bitch
> "Dianne Murray" <1dmu...@airmail.net> wrote:
:> v...@flinet.com wrote: No, wait...I take that back. The Saddest Part
:> is that I know (from personal experience) *none* of you who say these
:> things would've been willing to step in (had you thought JonBenet was
:> being Abused) beFORE her death.
:> Again...JonBenet is dead. If you *really* Care, start helping the abused
:> children in your *NEIGHBORHOODS*!!! Reality's Bitch
> What a pretentious and condescending pair of statements.
Sorry you feel that way, Diane.
> I dare say a few people here or anywhere would have quite willingly
> stepped in to help had they known JB and had known of abuse.
I don't doubt *that*, at all...I merely doubt these are the same people who
have provided us with the proFOUNDly disturbed (and disTURbing), emotional,
and hate-filled diatribes against Patsy Ramsey. There's a *big* Difference
between, "I think there's a good possibility it might have been the father,
and that the mother knows", and a lengthy and involved Fantasy designed to
shred *her* to pieces WHEN THERE HAS BEEN NO EVIDENCE RELEASED.
~~~
Unfortunately, the world is *rife* with people who just need to hate SOME-
one. Patsy is handy (susan smith is "old"...can't quite muster the energy,
anymore...need new blood) and a *lot* of these posters are breathing huge
sighs of relief that this came along in time to fill the void *sure* to be
created by the end of the oj civil trial...
I *DO* doubt that the number of those who'd be willing to take action is
as great as the posters in this newsgroup would have us believe, however.
It's *one* thing to *SAY* what one would do, "if..." But it is *quite*
another to be standing on the front porch, taking a deep breath, ringing
the doorbell, and praying the "right one" will answer...
~~~~~~~
And *please* don't say, "all you have to do is call (some version of) Child
Welfare." Unfortunately, Fine Upstanding Members of the Community require a
*lot* more work...and I see just as many at the country club as I do in the
trailer park.
> And I, for one, am saying some of the things you list and am, also,
> working to help abused children and adult survivors of abuse in my
> neighborhood.
And *I*, for one, don't recall seeing you describe Patsy as a cold-hearted
*bitch*! Or did I miss something? Thank *God* you're doing what you can to
change things, but, you're "in the business"...have you *really* not noticed
how many would rather step back and avoid the "hassle"??? Yet, *they're*
the ones who usually scream the loudest, and are the *most* self-righteous
(and hostile), *after* the fact. ~~~~
If you want to believe no one knew about beauty pageants for little girls
before the death of JonBenet, that's your perogative. But if you want to
believe that those who so viciously attack Patsy for her stage motherism
will, from this day forth, talk to parents they *know* about pageants and
sports (etc), you're going to be Sorely Disappointed...and soon.
Do you know parents who Push their kids, similarly? And, do you *desPISE*
them??? Compassion, reason, and gentle persuasion might do a *whole* lot
more for the planet...
> Reality may be a bitch for you but, for many of us, it is something we
> have learned to live with.
It's not Reality's *a* Bitch, Diane. It's Reality's Bitch, as in "a girl-
friend he claims to love, but for whom he doesn't provide much in the way of
Pleasantries, yet the neanderthal won't let her go" kinda thing... ;-)
Every time I turn around, there's an Opportunity to step in. I can *take*
it, or I can pretend nothing's happening and I have my own life to live and
I can't help EVERYbody and what's in it for *me* and look what happened the
*last* time and who helped *me* when I needed it and I'm sure someone else
is already doing something and I've got *work* to do, etc, ad nauseam.
If people really want to change the world, there's *plenty* to do. But this
kind of Anger and Hatred solves nothing, adds nothing, and *is* nothing but
another roadblock in *all* of our paths.
[ An aside: to those of you who may interpret my use of **s and ~~s as
"*screaming*", it is not intended as such. IRL, I have a very soft and low
voice, but an "animated" way of speaking, and I "mark" my posts as I would
a script. ]
Betsy
Eloquent, Dianne, eloquent. --Betsy
In article <01baea73$7f1aa060$37e6...@1dmurray.airmail.net>, "Dianne
Murray" <1dmu...@airmail.net> wrote:
> :No, wait...I take that back. The Saddest Part is that I know (from
> personal
> :experience) *none* of you who say these things would've been willing to
> step
> :in (had you thought JonBebet was being Abused) beFORE her death.
>
> :Again...JonBebet is dead. If you *really* Care, start helping the abused
> :children in your *NEIGHBORHOODS*!!!
>
> Reality's Bitch,
>
> What a pretentious and condescending pair of statements. I dare say a few
> people here or anywhere would have quite willingly stepped in to help had
> they known JB and had known of abuse. And I, for one, am saying some of
> the things you list and am, also, working to help abused children and adult
> survivors of abuse in my neighborhood.
>
> Reality may be a bitch for you but, for many of us, it is something we have
> learned to live with.
doug haire
Reality's Bitch (v...@flinet.com) wrote:
:
: But it never ceases to Amaze me how much *Hatred* is displayed towards women
: at the slightest provocation. The absolute *glee* with which Patsy is being
: raked across the coals (even though said rakers believe *John* was both the
: molester and the murderer) is what Bothers me.
I agree with you here.
: Men murder their children every day...they'll *never* be treated as "we" did
: susan smith. Then again, we live in a society where, if an abuser kills his
: wife/girlfriend, he'll do 18 months to 4 years. But if the abUSED kills her
: aBUSER (even in "immediate" self-defense), she'll do *LIFE*!
However, this is flat out wrong. I point to the John and Paula Ziles case
in Florida for an example. What drew the anger of the public at Susan
Smith was her going on TV and playing the "victim of a car-jacking" which
was exposed as the horrendous lie that it was. Paula Zile did a similar
thing by staging a phony abduction from a south Florida flea market. They
got equal sentences though "all" she did was sell the child's toys to pay
for the shovel and tarp used to bury her and stage the phony abduction
scene to cover up for the murder. Not to mention the ongoing abuse of the
child which she was aware of and did nothing about.
[snipped things about Ramsey case with which I agree with you]
: >> But one needs "evidence" to say, "BTW, the Ramseys didn't kill JonBenet"???
:
: Haven't found any Evidence that the Ramsey's are Innocent, either. HowEVER!
:
: 1. Does the fact that they hired attorneys (and, sorry, but one for each
: would be considered Standard Practice) make them Guilty? No. It might mean
: they wanted to make sure they were "prepared" as the body was found in their
: home, and police and society are often Perfectly Happy merely beLIEVing the
: "guilty party(ies)" has(have) been caught...as long as SOMEone is "paying",
: we *rarely* care whether or not the case was actually solved.
People are allowed to speculate (as you just did) about what it means to
hire attorneys in this case.
: 2. Patsy was fully dressed at 5:30am, and *this* makes her either Murderer
: or Accomplice??? Wait'll my *Mother* hears this!!! I hope I get a chance
: to tell her before she's arrested for...for...for being Anal Retentive?
I agree here. Being an early riser who does not want to wander about
dressed in curlers and bathrobe does not make one a murderer or an
accomplice to murder.
: 3. They hired a publicist, which points to their Guilt. How about, John
: Ramsey is the CEO of a billion-dollar company w/ connections to the pentagon.
: He *had* to have known there'd be more calls than his voicemail could handle.
: And one wrong move could cost them *business*!!! Do *I* think this should
: be The Most Important Consideration? NO! But I'm sure his employees might
: be grateful that he didn't let the entire company go under while dealing
: with the death of his daughter...
But he didn't hire the publicist for the company, he hired him for the
family. That's odd.
: 4. They haven't gone in for a formal interview (never mind that they spoke
: with the police on Day 1 and gave samples for DNA testing), and *this* is a
: Sure Sign of Guilt. What if they thought, "FUCK you! We've already told
: you everything we know. Why aren't you out looking for the *real* Killer???
: Forget it. We'll hire investigators and find him, ourSELVES!" Who can say
: whether or not they've also hired a "hit-man"...
Actually, the police typically spend more than 8 hours with the parents of
abducted or murdered children because it takes time to find out things
that could be helpful to to the investigation but that the parents do not
consider important. It's possible they took that stance at one point but I
cannot believe that they are being advised by their attorneys to continue
with that stance.
: 5. JonBenet was Abused simply by being coerced into the pageants. One look
: at her eyes would tell *ANYone* this girl was *not* a Happy Camper...but the
: pageants are *hardly* a "new phenomenon". And I would *LOVE* to see those
: who are so Outraged actually walk up to parents they *KNOW* and talk about
: their Abuse of kids in little league/pop warner/gymnastics/etc!!! But I
: know that you *won't*!
: ~~~~~
: Should we have a case wherein a *father* pushed his son to be aggressive and
: violent in order to "succeed" at *football*, and the kid turned out to be a
: Bully who murdered another child, we would *NEVER* see the outpouring of
: Hatred towards *him* that I am seeing towards Patsy.
There is a definite double standard involved here but fathers are often
painted with guilt over the way their sons turned out... ("the apple
doesn't fall far from the tree", "Like father, like son", etc.)
: And superbowl sunday is the day more women are murdered (or wind up in the
: emergency room) than at any other time. Hell, monday night football fills
: the wards. But I doubt that *any* of you will get off your asses and try
: to end *this* Travesty... ~~~
This is a myth. It has been shown to false more than a few times but it is
still believed by many. That goes for Monday Night Football *and*
Superbowl Sunday.
: 6. *If* John/Patsy wrote the ransom note, *why* would they use the 118k
: figure??? The guy's probably worth *millions*!!! I'd have asked for at
: *least* a million...no wait, I'd have asked for *ten* mil, which would've
: given me an "excuse" to liquefy assets (preparing to pay the ransom), then
: taken the cash, jumped in my learjet, and headed for a country with no
: extradition. I wouldn't be hanging around and waiting for the DNA results
: to come in...
There are several questions involved in the few details about the ransom
note that don't fit. Why would *any* kidnapper ask for such an odd amount?
Why would a kidnapper have several intimate details of John Ramsey's
company and personal life if the kidnapper wasn't really interested in the
ransom but just wanted to murder the little girl? Why murder the little
girl if he was angry at John Ramsey and his company? Why leave a ransom
note *and* the body in the house?
: I could go On and On (or have I, already?)...but I think I've made my point.
: The DNA results should be in, soon. And I'm not so filled with Anger, in
: general, that I need Patsy Ramsey as a whipping post.
I agree that neither parent (nor any other family member) should be used
as a "whipping post" at this point and I would say that any suspect
pointed to by the DNA evidence should also not be treated that way.
: The thing that Bothers me the *MOST* is that, should it turn out to be the
: "Santa" who'd decided he needed a vacation in Spain (say *what*???), those
: who so *Viciously* concocted their "intelligent theories" will do little
: in the way of Introspection...
Since you brought this up, why are you using this "Santa" as a whipping
post? Where are the news reports about this guy? I can't find it in the
Boulder Daily News, Denver Post, or CNN...
[snips]
Reality's Bitch
:> CyberEye wrote: Dear Mr. or Ms. R. Bitch, Ma'am:
I *told* you...that's "Ms. Bitch, Ma'am, *SIR*, to *you*!!! Now, *DROP*
and gimme fifty... ;-D
:> I have to agree that Patsy is getting horrendous treatment on this ng
:> and elsewhere by folks who don't have a shred of evidence that she's
:> done anything at all.
*Thank* you!
:> As a matter of fact she most likely adored that child and what we
:> think of pageants and the like doesn't mean piffle.
I agree that she "most likely adored that child" (and how many go about
*that* "the wrong way"? We humans are Bizarre creatures...), but I also
believe that "what we think of pageants and the like" means Mucho.
Sexually precocious girls are a hot commodity in the *mainstream*...yet
so *many* act as though this is "shocking" and "*rare*"!!! BWAHAHAHAHA
~~~~
:> HOWEVER, a statement was attributed to her on, I think AJ Friday night.
:> Quoted by a neighbor, friend, "source close to..." or whatever I don't
:> know and certainly I don't know if it's even true BUT
...at least you have the decency to provide a Disclaimer. There are those
who would find themselves in the same situation and claim, "This is honest-
to-God *evidence*!"
~~~~~~~~
:> what Patsy supposedly said was that she wished that her cancer would
:> come back so she could be with JonBenet. If she did say this it sure
:> doesn't seem like she cares one whole hell of a lot for that little boy
:> of hers now does it, nor her husband for that matter and frankly this
:> is the attitude she projects.
Grief does Mighty Strange Things to people...
vcz [ still awaiting the DNA results (and judging not...) ]
David K. Bryant
CyberEye writes:
>I have to agree that Patsy is getting horrendous treatment on this ng
>and elsewhere by folks who don't have a shred of evidence that she's
>done anything at all.
But that's the problem.... she hasn't done anything at all.
Except for her "she's in a better place" performance crap.
(Everything is Beautiful in background)
Reality's Bitch
> dha...@gate.net wrote:
:> v...@flinet.com wrote: Men murder their children every day...they'll
:> *never* be treated as "we" did susan smith. Then again, we live in a
:> society where, if an abuser kills his wife/girlfriend, he'll do 18 months
:> to 4 years. But if the abUSED kills her aBUSER (even in "immediate"
:> self-defense), she'll do *LIFE*!
> However, this is flat out wrong. I point to the John and Paula Ziles case
> in Florida for an example.
I am presently living in the Palm Beaches. Sorry, but paula is already
serving life, the general population is exhibiting *much* more Hostility
towards *her* than towards her husband, the murderer, and after the venue
was changed (to a town, what, 40 miles away?), a news crew conducted "man
on the street" interviews, there, and could not find *one* *person* who
even knew the *name* john ziles. Memories were sure jarred when they
heard the name *paula* ziles, though!
Here, however, they managed to find a *plethora* who stated: Even if john
ziles gets off (he claims she died from a seizure, and paula is in prison
*only* for Knowing but Not Telling), I hope paula continues to rot in jail.
SO! If "all goes well", john ziles could be acquitted of murder, yet paula
would serve a lengthy sentence as an *accomplice* to murder.
> What drew the anger of the public at Susan Smith was her going on TV and
> playing the "victim of a car-jacking" which was exposed as the horrendous
> lie that it was.
I agree that she told an horrendous lie, but I also continue to believe that
misogyny is an international sport...
> Paula Zile did a similar thing by staging a phony abduction from a south
> Florida flea market. They got equal sentences
Huh? Unless I missed something, he hasn't yet been sentenced. And, I'll
bet you ANYthing *he's* the only one likely to be paroled in the future...
:> though "all" she did was sell the child's toys to pay for the shovel
:> and tarp used to bury her and stage the phony abduction scene to cover up
:> for the murder. Not to mention the ongoing abuse of the child which she
:> was aware of and did nothing about.
...like hedda nussberger(sp)? My only point is that "we" *LOVE* to hate
women.
:> 1. Does the fact that they hired attorneys (and, sorry, but one for
:> each would be considered Standard Practice) make them Guilty? No. It
:> might mean they wanted to make sure they were "prepared" as the body was
:> found in their home, and police and society are often Perfectly Happy
:> merely beLIEVing the "guilty party(ies)" has(have) been caught...as long
:> as SOMEone is "paying", we *rarely* care whether or not the case was
:> actually solved.
> People are allowed to speculate (as you just did) about what it means to
> hire attorneys in this case.
I couldn't agree more...but, did you notice I managed to do so without
calling Patsy Ramsey a *bitch*? And I didn't say anything about society
that we don't already know...
:> 4. They haven't gone in for a formal interview (never mind that they
:> spoke with the police on Day 1 and gave samples for DNA testing), and
:> *this* is a Sure Sign of Guilt. What if they thought, "FUCK you! We've
:> already told you everything we know. Why aren't you out looking for the
:> *real* Killer??? Forget it. We'll hire investigators and find him,
:> ourSELVES!" Who can say whether or not they've also hired a "hit-man"...
> Actually, the police typically spend more than 8 hours with the parents of
> abducted or murdered children because it takes time to find out things
> that could be helpful to to the investigation but that the parents do not
> consider important. It's possible they took that stance at one point but I
> cannot believe that they are being advised by their attorneys to continue
> with that stance.
Well, it's been *my* experience that CEOs of billion-dollar corporations
*rarely* believe they are subject to the same laws/codes as we mere mortals
(much like football "heroes" and trust-fund babies [which reminds me...one
of my favorite sayings: ...born on third base and thinks he hit a triple]).
:> ...Should we have a case wherein a *father* pushed his son to be
:> aggressive and violent in order to "succeed" at *football*, and the kid
:> turned out to be a Bully who murdered another child, we would *NEVER* see
:> the outpouring of Hatred towards *him* that I am seeing towards Patsy.
> There is a definite double standard involved here but fathers are often
> painted with guilt over the way their sons turned out... ("the apple
> doesn't fall far from the tree", "Like father, like son", etc.)
"Painted with guilt" isn't quite the same as "feeding frenzy"...and the
above statements are usually delivered with a sigh and shake of the head
rather than with Vitriol. "Boys will be boys", n'est-ce pas?
:> And superbowl sunday is the day more women are murdered (or wind up in the
:> emergency room) than at any other time. Hell, monday night football fills
:> the wards.
> This is a myth. It has been shown to false more than a few times but it is
> still believed by many. That goes for Monday Night Football *and*
> Superbowl Sunday.
People who work in emergency rooms will be pleased to discover that women
are simply more prone to "accidents" during football season...play *ball*!
> There are several questions involved in the few details about the ransom
> note that don't fit. Why would *any* kidnapper ask for such an odd amount?
...because he was *pissed* about his $50 bonus???
> Why would a kidnapper have several intimate details of John Ramsey's
> company and personal life if the kidnapper wasn't really interested in the
> ransom but just wanted to murder the little girl?
...because he knew the Ramseys but never inTENded to murder JonBenet?
> Why murder the little girl if he was angry at John Ramsey and his
> company? Why leave a ransom note *and* the body in the house?
...because he was a coward who'd decided that what he was doing (molesting
JonBenet [an act about *power* rather than about sex]) was getting "back
at" the family for some perceived Injustice?
All I'm saying is that people are going *OVERboard* in attacking *Patsy*,
and that the DNA results should be in, soon...
> I agree that neither parent (nor any other family member) should be used
> as a "whipping post" at this point and I would say that any suspect
> pointed to by the DNA evidence should also not be treated that way.
...from your mouth to God's ears...
:> The thing that Bothers me the *MOST* is that, should it turn out to be
:> the "Santa" who'd decided he needed a vacation in Spain (say *what*???),
:> those who so *Viciously* concocted their "intelligent theories" will do
:> little in the way of Introspection...
> Since you brought this up, why are you using this "Santa" as a whipping
> post? Where are the news reports about this guy? I can't find it in the
> Boulder Daily News, Denver Post, or CNN...
I could've said, "should it turn out to be the handyman or a 'trusted family
friend' or an ex-employee"...finding it Odd that that someone who was in the
house (and "close" to JonBenet) during the (alleged) "window of opportunity"
decided to head for Spain is *hardly* using him as a whipping post. I was
merely using him as an example...
vcz [*still* awaiting the DNA reports (and still chuckling about the "they
went and got themselves a used condom" theory)]
LadyIce
That is a problem... and I believe graver than anyone can see...
It's too clean, too prim.... You don't say these things when you lose
a child. You don't say I take comfort knowing she's in a better
place..... Performance or not, Christian or not, you just don't say
these things....
dbr...@netcom.com (David K. Bryant) wrote:
>CyberEye writes:
>>I have to agree that Patsy is getting horrendous treatment on this ng
>>and elsewhere by folks who don't have a shred of evidence that she's
>>done anything at all.
jbwebb
.
>
> vcz [*still* awaiting the DNA reports (and still chuckling about the "they
> went and got themselves a used condom" theory)]
tested for DNA yet. Has it been tested at all? Where was the semen
found exactly? On her skin? Was it dry? Just curious as to how they
KNOW it's semen.
Take care.
Joni Webb
Tanya Noreen
On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, Fool wrote:
> >On 24 Jan 1997, Chris Borg wrote:
>
> You know, that's not the first time you smart off at someone's
> response simply because they do not agree with you. My question to
> you is:
> What *evidence* do YOU have to back up your claim/theory/opinion? You
> have hearsay and second hand information. You have what you read or
> are told; you don't have *evidence*, you have what people want you to
> know.
Every post that I have made that cites evidence taken from either
the RMN or the Denver Post. If you want to call that second-hand
information or hearsay, fine. Go ahead. But don't single me out for
criticism for making "smart" (your words, not mine) remarks in the
newsgroup when many more people write posts that are just as caustic, if
not more so, than mine.
> What was condescending and patronizing about CB's comments? The fact
> that the opinion is different from yours? It seems you don't just
> have a chip on your shoulder, you have a damn boulder. I'll try to
> make this simple for you - - This is a discussion group which means
> people discuss their ideas/thoughts/opinions. It is not
> alt.Tanya.Noreen.is.always.right
Hee-hee-hee, a boulder on my shoulder. That's funny. And
especially in light of the origins of our Murder Mystery.
CB's comments, in light of the evidence that I cited in my
earlier post, not only contradicted the evidence that is undisputed as
fact by both the Boulder Police and the Ramseys, but his comments implied
that I had not checked my facts or their sourse, without any offering
evidence of his own to contradict mine. Turnabout is fair play. As for
the name of this newsgroup, it is neither alt.Fool.gets.on.a.soapbox.
> So why don't you take your own advice and keep your comments to
> yourself if you can't be civil and realize that others might just have
> an opinion different from your own.
I do recognize that people have different opinions than mine, and
I respect them, when they are backed up with factual evidence. MANY
people in the ng have posted theories that differ from mine and have
included vast amounts of evidence. Since you're on a roll tonight when
it comes to keeping everyone civil and asking them to keep their comments
to themselves, why don't you ask a few more posters to this group to do
the same. Thanks.
TK
Betsy
In article <32EE69...@gramercy.ios.com>, jbwebb
<jbw...@gramercy.ios.com> wrote:
From news reports I'm hearing, what was called "bolily fluids" a week or
ten days ago is now being called semen. I've heard they've found a small,
trace amount on her leg. As for how they *know* it's semen, I'm not that
up on my forensic pathology. Perhaps they have a presumptive test for
it? Visual inspection?
Betsy
> .
> >
> > vcz [*still* awaiting the DNA reports (and still chuckling about the "they
> > went and got themselves a used condom" theory)]
Reality's Bitch
:> [S/He's No] Fool (foolh...@see.sig) wrote:
> tanya noreen <tan...@seattleu.edu> rambled on:
>> Chris Borg wrote: I'm dyslexic and a very poor speller. I use a
>> dictionary for everything..but I can spell some very difficult words right
>> and misspell the easiest words worng. So the misspellings don't mean s**t.
>> BTW the Ramsey did not kill JonBenet.
> How's that fantasy life treating you, Chris? Good? I hope so. I bet that
> in your mind, OJ didn't kill Ron and Nicole either. And JFK committed
> suicide. Sheesh. When you demonstrate that you know what you are talking
> about by using evidence to back up your claims, we will all start to believe
> you.
:> You know, that's not the first time you smart off at someone's response
:> simply because they do not agree with you. My question to you is:
:> What *evidence* do YOU have to back up your claim/theory/opinion? You
:> have hearsay and second hand information. You have what you read or are
:> told; you don't have *evidence*, you have what people want you to know.
> Until then, keep your condescending, patronizing comments to yourself.
:> What was condescending and patronizing about CB's comments? The fact
:> that the opinion is different from yours? It seems you don't just have a
:> chip on your shoulder, you have a damn boulder. I'll try to make this
:> simple for you - - This is a discussion group which means people discuss
:> their ideas/thoughts/opinions. It is not alt.Tanya.Noreen.is.always.right
:> So why don't you take your own advice and keep your comments to yourself
:> if you can't be civil and realize that others might just have an opinion
:> different from your own.
...and the crowd went wild...
vcz [ Faith in humanity slowly being restored ]
MaryAnn Aquilino - IFS-QA
> tanya noreen <tan...@seattleu.edu>
> in your mind, OJ didn't kill Ron and Nicole either. And JFK committed
> suicide. Sheesh. When you demonstrate that you know what you are talking
> about by using evidence to back up your claims, we will all start to believe
> you.
v...@flinet.com (Reality's Bitch)
:> You know, that's not the first time you smart off at someone's response
:> simply because they do not agree with you. My question to you is:
:> What *evidence* do YOU have to back up your claim/theory/opinion? You
:> have hearsay and second hand information. You have what you read or are
:> told; you don't have *evidence*, you have what people want you to know.
> tanya noreen <tan...@seattleu.edu>
> Until then, keep your condescending, patronizing comments to yourself.
v...@flinet.com (Reality's Bitch)
:> What was condescending and patronizing about CB's comments? The fact
:> that the opinion is different from yours? It seems you don't just have a
:> chip on your shoulder, you have a damn boulder. I'll try to make this
:> simple for you - - This is a discussion group which means people discuss
:> their ideas/thoughts/opinions. It is not alt.Tanya.Noreen.is.always.right
:> So why don't you take your own advice and keep your comments to yourself
:> if you can't be civil and realize that others might just have an opinion
:> different from your own.
RB,
I agree with you 100%. Tanya tends to accuse many others of being condescending
and not backing up our facts. But I've yet to see her offer any real validation
for her information, while at the same time making outrageous accusations and
theories about a family that is grieving for the loss of their child and may
well be innocent, and nasty, uncalled for slams at other posters.
It's one thing to say 'based on the information released, this is my opinion of
this case' and quite another to say 'When you demonstrate that you know what you
are talking about by using evidence to back up your claims, we will all start to
believe you', especially when you don't do that yourself.
Mary Ann
BaDge
>> vcz [*still* awaiting the DNA reports (and still chuckling about the "they
>> went and got themselves a used condom" theory)]
>tested for DNA yet. Has it been tested at all? Where was the semen
>found exactly? On her skin? Was it dry? Just curious as to how they
>KNOW it's semen.
>
>Take care.
>Joni Webb
Joni,
FWIW, on LKL, the spokesperson for either People Mag, or
Newsweek, or one of the magazines said they like to have 2
independent sources for the report of whether it is semen.
They said on this bit of evidence, they only had one source.
However the other person on LKL admitted that it was being
worked up as though it =was= semen, whatever that means, so
IMO, it's still up for grabs. This was late Thurs evening.
--
regards,
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BaDge
<ba...@virginia.edu>