Rico Jones case Court TV
LITTLEPJoo
Ok, while I have been UM, between jobs, I have become addicted to Court TV. Joe
posted last week that the trial of Rico Jones, the guy accused of murdering his
ex-girlfriend and 4 kids would be unerway this week.
After 2 days of testimony, the defense is trying to establish that it was
another ex-girlfriend that is guilty of the stabbings.
I am curious, Joe, if you have an opinion about this. I am asking this of you
because you are the one that got me watching it, but I would like to hear the
opinions of others also. After watching the girl they are trying to pin it on
testify for the prosecution, do they have a chance to cause resonable doubt in
this case?
So far it's a must see case.
PJ
Teresa
In article <199803200528...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
littl...@aol.com (LITTLEPJoo) wrote:
>
> After 2 days of testimony, the defense is trying to establish that it was
> another ex-girlfriend that is guilty of the stabbings.
>
> I am curious, Joe, if you have an opinion about this. I am asking this of you
> because you are the one that got me watching it, but I would like to hear the
> opinions of others also. After watching the girl they are trying to pin it on
> testify for the prosecution, do they have a chance to cause resonable doubt in
> this case?
>
Hi PJ,
I just started watching this case yesterday and unfortunately only got
to see a couple of hours of it. The one they are trying to pin it on
seemed very credible from what I saw. She was saying that Rico told her
all about the stabbings etc. But, I'm sure his story is different. I'm
anxious to hear what other witnesses have to say and if Rico Jones will
testify.
Like I said, I'm new to this case....the victim had two children from what
I understand. Was there one or two other children murdered? Who were
they? Ages?
OPINION: I know this is going to come off sounding very gender biased, but
isn't it a fact that stabbing is not generally found when the perp is a
female? Something about it being too messy and all that. I know it
happens everyday, but for a woman to kill (stab) those little kids seems
unlikely. Her anger was with the woman, not the kids. This is indeed one
of the better Court TV cases I have seen in a while.
Teresa
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Joe1orbit
littl...@aol.com (LITTLEPJoo) Wrote:
>Ok, while I have been UM, between jobs, I have become addicted to Court TV.
>Joe
>posted last week that the trial of Rico Jones, the guy accused of murdering
>his
>ex-girlfriend and 4 kids would be unerway this week.
Hello PJ,
Yes indeed, I did post and the trial is underway. I think our accused
prolific murderer spells his name Reco, just for the record.
>After 2 days of testimony, the defense is trying to establish that it was
>another ex-girlfriend that is guilty of the stabbings.
I've been watching much of the trial, but not all of it. Yesterday I was
outdoors during a significant portion of the testimony. But I am watching it
all day today, and I'm aware of the case that the defense is making.
>I am curious, Joe, if you have an opinion about this.
From what I have seen, it is a fairly good argument that the defense attorney
is making, especially since the ex-girlfriend does not seem to have a stellar
character or background. But I seriously doubt that she committed any of these
5 murders. Reco's lawyer is hoping to plant enough doubt in the minds of at
least 1 or 2 jurors, to result in a hung jury. I doubt that the lawyer has any
serious hopes of gaining an outright acquittal, in which all jurors come back
with a Not Guilty verdict. I think it is a fairly good strategy on Reco's part,
and Ihope it does manage to sway a juror or two, even though I think it is
99.5% likely that Reco, acting alone, committed this massacre of 5.
> I am asking this of you
>because you are the one that got me watching it, but I would like to hear the
>opinions of others also. After watching the girl they are trying to pin it
>on
>testify for the prosecution, do they have a chance to cause resonable doubt
>in
>this case?
I did catch most of her testimony, and I think that the defense still has a
chance to create reasonable doubt in the minds of at least a FEW jurors,
although NOT in all 12 of them.
>So far it's a must see case.
I agree, it is an intriguing case, and the strategy that the defense has
pursued only makes it that much more fascinating to watch unfold.
Take care, JOE
>
>PJ
Joe1orbit
ree...@magicnet.net.com (Teresa) Wrote:
<snip>
Like I said, I'm new to this case....the victim had two children from what
I understand. Was there one or two other children murdered? Who were
they? Ages?
<snip>
Hello Teresa,
Below is an old newspaper article which answers your above questions. I
posted it at the original thread, but figure I'll repost it in order to satifsy
the curiousity of anyone who is watching the trial now on Court TV and did not
read my initial post last week on this case.
Four children stabbed to death, they were aged 3, 3, 5, and 5. Two of them
were the biological creations of Reco's ex-girlfriend, and the other 2 were the
children of the girlfriend's sister.
Take care, JOE
The following appears courtesy of the 9/26/97 online edition of The Detroit
News newspaper:
Grief gives way to rage in murder case hearing
Threats made against mom, friends of man accused of killing five
By Santiago Esparza / The Detroit News
Family and friends of five people who were stabbed to death in Detroit last
month publicly threatened Thursday to harm the mother and associates of the man
accused of the mass killing.
The threats came at the preliminary hearing of Reco Jones, 22, who is
accused of killing Yolanda Bellamy, 24; her sons Nathan Burns Jr., 5, and
Nathan Burns III, 3; and her sister's children, Shafontah Bellamy, 3; and
Delvontay Bellamy, 5. The killings occurred at Yolanda Bellamy's west side
home.
Officers had to escort Jones' mother, Janet Jones, from 36th District Court
to keep Bellamy's relatives and friends from attacking her.
Judge Nancy Blount bound over Jones to Wayne Circuit Court on five charges
of first-degree murder.
"Whatever happens to him, it will never be enough," said Nathan Burns Sr.,
23, father of Bellamy's sons. "Even the Bible says an eye for an eye."
Erika Bellamy, 21, the mother of Shafontah and Delvontay, glared at Jones
while she testified. After the hearing, she said Jones should die.
"I want to kill him," she told reporters.
During the hearing, Jones meekly sat in a wheelchair, sometimes fidgeting
with a cast on his right arm.
The day after the killings, Jones jumped out of a fifth floor window at
police headquarters and required 21 1/2 hours of surgery for his injuries.
Police said Bellamy and Jones had an on-again, off-again relationship and
that she was killed after the two argued over money the day before.
Maliaka Martin, 24, said Jones came to her house Aug. 13, admitted stabbing
Bellamy and the children and asked to take a shower. Martin, who was Jones'
girlfriend, said she saw blood on his white sneakers and helped him put his
clothes and the shoes into a garbage bag.
"I was scared," Martin testified.
Then the pair drove to the home of their friend, Tamikah Terrell, 22, where
Jones also admitted stabbing Bellamy, Terrell testified. He asked Terrell to
get rid of the bag with the clothes and bloody shoes. She said she burned them.
Jones asked Martin and Terrell to drive to Bellamy's house to help him wipe
away blood he may have left on a screen door, the women testified. Terrell said
she wiped the screen clean with a green rag as Martin and Jones stayed in the
car.
Assistant Wayne County Prosecutor Kevin Simowski said the women's actions
could make them accessories to the crime, but he will not charge them because
they testified.
One woman in the crowd of about 40 threatened to "get" Martin and Terrell
after the hearing.
Another said she was happy that the streets on which Martin and Terrell
live were read aloud during court. "Now we know where they live," the woman
said.
LITTLEPJoo
Teresa wrote:
>In article <199803200528...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
>littl...@aol.com (LITTLEPJoo) wrote:
>
>
>>
>> After 2 days of testimony, the defense is trying to establish that it was
>> another ex-girlfriend that is guilty of the stabbings.
>>
>> I am curious, Joe, if you have an opinion about this. I am asking this of
>you
>> because you are the one that got me watching it, but I would like to hear
>the
>> opinions of others also. After watching the girl they are trying to pin it
>on
>> testify for the prosecution, do they have a chance to cause resonable doubt
>in
>> this case?
>>
>
>Hi PJ,
> I just started watching this case yesterday and unfortunately only got
>to see a couple of hours of it. The one they are trying to pin it on
>seemed very credible from what I saw. She was saying that Rico told her
>all about the stabbings etc. But, I'm sure his story is different. I'm
>anxious to hear what other witnesses have to say and if Rico Jones will
>testify.
>
>Like I said, I'm new to this case....the victim had two children from what
>I understand. Was there one or two other children murdered? Who were
>they? Ages?
There were 4 kids. The other 2 were nephews of Yolanda. The mother of the
nephews found the bodies. She testified Wed.
>OPINION: I know this is going to come off sounding very gender biased, but
>isn't it a fact that stabbing is not generally found when the perp is a
>female? Something about it being too messy and all that. I know it
>happens everyday, but for a woman to kill (stab) those little kids seems
>unlikely. Her anger was with the woman, not the kids. This is indeed one
>of the better Court TV cases I have seen in a while.
>
>Teresa
I agree Teresa. Joe was the one that pointed out that most of the Court TV
cases were the ones less horrific. The cases that were supposedly more geared
to interest women. Well, I like seeing cases like this one much more than the
celebrity cases.
PJ
Babyface
> OPINION: I know this is going to come off sounding very gender biased,
but
> isn't it a fact that stabbing is not generally found when the perp is a
> female? Something about it being too messy and all that. I know it
> happens everyday, but for a woman to kill (stab) those little kids seems
> unlikely. Her anger was with the woman, not the kids. This is indeed
one
> of the better Court TV cases I have seen in a while.
>
> Teresa
>
I've read the same thing somewhere along the line.....that women aren't
likely to stab...more likely to shoot. Of course, then you have exceptions,
like Tucker with the ax and a case I read of where another woman killed her
lover's wife with an ax in the laundry room..........as usual I can't
remember the name of that book <g>.
Babyface
grif...@ix.netcom.com
Babyface wrote:
> I've read the same thing somewhere along the line.....that women aren't
> likely to stab...more likely to shoot. Of course, then you have exceptions,
> like Tucker with the ax and a case I read of where another woman killed her
> lover's wife with an ax in the laundry room..........as usual I can't
> remember the name of that book <g>.
I can't either, and I don't know what I did with my copy of it. The
name Candice (Candace?) Montgomery comes to mind, but I can't even come
close to remembering the name of the other woman.
Linda
Teresa
> Babyface wrote:
> > I've read the same thing somewhere along the line.....that women aren't
> > likely to stab...more likely to shoot. Of course, then you have exceptions,
> > like Tucker with the ax and a case I read of where another woman killed her
> > lover's wife with an ax in the laundry room..........as usual I can't
> > remember the name of that book <g>.
The one in the laundry room....wasn't there a movie about that? I think
Elizabeth Montgomery played in it. She was a real timid type woman, but
in spite that began to have an affair and then killed her lovers wife. Am
I thinking along the right lines here?
All in all, even in the society that we live in today, would find it
shocking to learn a woman could repeatedly stab 4 little kids like that.
(And cut their throats.) Gives me shivers just thinking about that. But
then who would believe a woman could strap her two sons in a car and push
it in a lake? (Susan Smith) Or toss a newborn in a garbage can. (Too many
to mention.) Or any of the other horrible things that people do to the
children they are blessed wtih.
Maggie8097
> Babyface wrote:
> > I've read the same thing somewhere along the line.....that women aren't
> > likely to stab...more likely to shoot. Of course, then you have exceptions,
> > like Tucker with the ax and a case I read of where another woman killed her
> > lover's wife with an ax in the laundry room..........as usual I can't
> > remember the name of that book <g>.
Teresa wrote:
The one in the laundry room....wasn't there a movie about that? I think
Elizabeth Montgomery played in it. She was a real timid type woman, but
in spite that began to have an affair and then killed her lovers wife. Am
I thinking along the right lines here?
All in all, even in the society that we live in today, would find it
shocking to learn a woman could repeatedly stab 4 little kids like that.
(And cut their throats.) Gives me shivers just thinking about that. But
then who would believe a woman could strap her two sons in a car and push
it in a lake? (Susan Smith) Or toss a newborn in a garbage can. (Too many
to mention.) Or any of the other horrible things that people do to the
children they are blessed wtih.
***I haven't read them, but there is a review of two books about female killers
in the March 9 New Yorker--"Murder Most Rare: The Female Serial Killer" by
M.D. and C.L. Kelleher and "When She Was Bad: Violent Women and the Myth of
Innocence" by Patricia Pearson.
The review says that female murderers are much more common than most of us
realize and cite a few statistics to prove it. "Women commit the majority of
child homicides in the U.S., a greater share of physical child abuse, and equal
rates of sibling violence and assaults on the elderly, about a quarter of child
sexual abuse, an overwhelming share of the killings of newborns and a fair
preponderance of spousal assaults." Also, "the person most likely to have
been killed by an intimate partner in Chicago between 1966 and 1996 was not a
woman but an African-American man; he was almost twice as likely to be killed
as an African-American woman, and five times as likely as a woman who was
white."
If anyone has actually read either of these books, I'd be interested in hearing
your comments.
Maggie
"I was going to buy a copy of "The Power of Positive Thinking," and then I
thought: What the hell good would that do?"--Ronnie Shakes
Marcy
On Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:32:13 -0600, grif...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
The name of the book is Evidence of Love by John Bloom and Jim
Atkinson.
Marcy
DJH
On 23 Mar 1998 16:11:45 GMT, maggi...@aol.com (Maggie8097) wrote:
>***I haven't read them, but there is a review of two books about female killers
>in the March 9 New Yorker--"Murder Most Rare: The Female Serial Killer" by
>M.D. and C.L. Kelleher and "When She Was Bad: Violent Women and the Myth of
>Innocence" by Patricia Pearson.
>
>The review says that female murderers are much more common than most of us
>realize and cite a few statistics to prove it. "Women commit the majority of
>child homicides in the U.S., a greater share of physical child abuse, and equal
>rates of sibling violence and assaults on the elderly, about a quarter of child
>sexual abuse, an overwhelming share of the killings of newborns and a fair
>preponderance of spousal assaults." Also, "the person most likely to have
>been killed by an intimate partner in Chicago between 1966 and 1996 was not a
>woman but an African-American man; he was almost twice as likely to be killed
>as an African-American woman, and five times as likely as a woman who was
>white."
>
>If anyone has actually read either of these books, I'd be interested in hearing
>your comments.
>
>Maggie
I haven't read those yet, but I highly recommend Ann Jones' "Women Who
Kill". Aside from being a GREAT book to read on the bus (to keep
people from bothering you..), it is an easy to read academic study of
why women have killed through the ages (if I remember correctly it
starts with colonial US period).
From amazon.com:
Synopsis:
This international bestseller explores how and why women have killed
throughout American history--and what their cases reveal about social
prejudices and legal practices that still prevail. From Lizzie Borden
to Jean Harris, these tales of crime and punishment uncover hard
truths about American society and women's place in it.
Table of Contents
Acknowledgments
Foreword
Introduction
1. Foremothers: Divers Lewd Women
2. Domestic Atrocity
3. Spoiling Maidens
4. Laying Down the Law
5. Let That Be a Lesson
6. Totaling Women
7. Women's Rights and Wrongs
Notes
Index
end of quoted material
For what it's worth..
d~
"I don't know why I give in, but I do every time.
And here I am wondering why I did it again.
Too-ree-ay, too-ree-o, too-ree-ay, too-ree-o, too-ree-ay's what I say
To keep me going, To keep the shit away." Kate Bush
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kry...@excaliber.net
On 3/23/98 11:11AM, in message
<199803231611...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, Maggie8097
<maggi...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Babyface wrote:
> > > I've read the same thing somewhere along the line.....that women aren't
> > > likely to stab...more likely to shoot. Of course, then you have
> exceptions,
> > > like Tucker with the ax and a case I read of where another woman killed
> her
> > > lover's wife with an ax in the laundry room..........as usual I can't
> > > remember the name of that book <g>.
>
> Teresa wrote:
> The one in the laundry room....wasn't there a movie about that? I think
> Elizabeth Montgomery played in it. She was a real timid type woman, but
> in spite that began to have an affair and then killed her lovers wife. Am
> I thinking along the right lines here?
>
>
The main thing I remember about that case is the murderess was acquitted.
She hacked her lover's wife to death, leaving a baby alone in the house
(the father was out of town), and somehow managed to convince a jury it
was self-defense and walked. Her husband stuck with her.
Liz Montgomery played Lizzie Borden, I know.
Krystal
