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Excerpt below
"Vampire" murderer is sentenced to death in Florida's electric chair
Washington Post, February 27, 1998.
By Donald P. Baker
MIAMI -- A 17-year-old youth who proclaims he is a vampire and admitted
murdering a middle-aged couple with a crowbar was sentenced Friday to die in
Florida's electric chair by a judge who called him "a disturbed young man" who
proves "there is genuine evil in the world."
"There is a dark side and light side competing in each of us," declared Lake
County Circuit Judge Jerry Lockett in handing down the death penalty against
Rodrick Justin Ferrell.
Ferrell, of Murray, Ky., admitted killing Richard Wendorf and Naoma Queen in
their home in Eustis, Fla., 35 miles northwest of Orlando, on Nov. 25, 1996.
The letter "V", apparently for vampire, was burned into Wendorf's body.
Ferrell said he and three friends, who also called themselves vampires,
traveled to Eustis from Kentucky after Heather Wendorf, whom he had met when
both were students in Eustis, asked him to help steal her parents' sports
utility vehicle so she could run away from home. Prosecutors said she intended
to join a group headed by Ferrell that engaged in group sex and drank blood as
part of what members considered vampire rituals.
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>this was a case in texas. she persuaded a guy to kill her parents. i
>wonder where she is incarcerated. i read a fascinating book about this
>but i can't remember what it was called.
>
From
http://www.houstonpress.com/issues/2000-01-06/news.html
An article about an attorney named Roy Beene (really!) which is
interesting enough in its own right. You might want to skip
over the paragraph which begins "Garbage would...."
The book may have been "Daddy's Girl" by Clifford Irving,
also mentioned in the article.
...................................................................................................
For three weeks in 1986 Beene represented Cynthia Campbell
Ray. She and accomplice David West were later convicted of
murdering her parents while they slept in their posh Memorial
home. Ray got a life prison term in that case -- and Beene got her
house as a legal fee.
Hunt says Ray never forgave Beene for the exorbitant cost of his
brief representation. "The rumor around prison was that the first
thing that she was going to do if she ever got out was to kill Roy
Beene."
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>let's chat crime!
>
There's a novel concept!
Roger
Paper: HOUSTON CHRONICLE
Date: TUE 09/14/93
Section: A
Page: 13
Edition: 2 STAR
Mastermind of parents' murders up for parole
By STEFANIE ASIN
Staff
Cynthia Campbell Ray , in prison for plotting the heinous murder of her wealthy
parents, is up for parole after serving eight years of a life sentence.
Ray was convicted in 1987 for convincing her boyfriend David West to shoot her
parents, James and Virginia Campbell . The murders still are notorious in Texas
because of the unusual circumstances surrounding the plot and the arrests of
Ray and West. The case received national attention and was the subject of two
books, Daddy's Girl by Clifford Irving, and Cold Kill by Jack Olsen.
After eight years in prison, including time spent in jail before her
conviction, Ray has accummulated enough "good time" credit to be eligible for
parole, and the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles is reviewing Ray 's case for
the first time. The board will issue its decision by the end of the year.
After this article there is no reference to her again in the Chronicle about
her status. I don't remember her being released though so sh'e probably still
in prison.
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good, so that God will not make me one" -- Mark Twain
... alas, I failed and I am one! Debbie
If a certain true crime author hadn't been so viciously chased out of this
newsgroup you could probably have gotten an update on this case from one of
the people that knows the story best.
glas <- still bitter
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| satisp...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8k9mn3$n89$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
| >this was a case in texas. she persuaded a guy to kill her parents. i
| >wonder where she is incarcerated. i read a fascinating book about this
| >but i can't remember what it was called.
| >
>"D." <bou...@attcanada.net> wrote in message
>news:JJ%95.26049$qS3....@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...
>| The book may have been Cold Kill. Cindy Ray and David West. Haven't read
>it
>| in a while but I will check it out again because I think the murder was
>his
>| idea. A case of "he said she said" and no one taking responsibility for
>the
>| idea.
>| D.
>
>
>If a certain true crime author hadn't been so viciously chased out of this
>newsgroup you could probably have gotten an update on this case from one of
>the people that knows the story best.
>
>glas <- still bitter
I meant to reply to this thread the other day. I luckily was able to get a
copy of Cold Kill from a kind friend. It was indeed a VERY good book. I'd
read the Irving book first, but this one (by Jack Olsen) is more and better on
every level.
I went to the beach with my family last week and took Cold Kill along. My
sister devoured it during the week, and totally enjoyed it also. My mom took
it home with her. My sister had the same questions about Cindy ... what on
EARTH was her story? How on earth did she make it through her days? A totally
odd character even without the murder included!
As an aside, I went to a used book store while there. Found Predator and Son,
both of which I've read, but bought both. I am reading Predator now, but
having trouble continuing. Man, that story, with the falsely accused guy
ending up such a mess.. just makes me DAMN sad.
I wish there were still good true crime books like the above happening.
PattyC
Bonnie
if it's okay to ask, which author? i was looking through my stuff and i
remember reading two books, one by jack olsen (cold kill) and another by
clifford irving (daddy's girl). i thought both books were quite good,
each tackling the case differently.
diana
i'm a big fan of jack olsen (in fact i am currently listening to the
gypsy murder case on unabridged audio); however, i think daddy's girl is
not without merit. irving knows how to think like a criminal and his
methods of investigation, while dubious to some, bring out fascinating
information about the case. i do feel for the plight of boyfriend david
(as irving put it, 'betrayed is too pale a word'). but david was
antisocial and scary (ready to kill over the reposession of his car
which came about by his own neglect/laziness). i recall jack olsen
ending his book with david keeping his chin up to make his parents
proud, and, no doubt, he loved his parents (ted bundy loved his mother).
still, the man had a severe empathy deficit and was a danger to society.
in that respect, irving seemed to have a better grasp on david's
character, enjoying david's wit and his antics, but at the same time,
respectful and cautious of the psychopathic tendencies behind that
gullible-boy charm. jack olsen is great, but irving is a force to be
reckoned with. too bad he hasn't covered more true crime stuff.
> I went to the beach with my family last week and took Cold Kill along.
My
> sister devoured it during the week, and totally enjoyed it also. My
mom took
> it home with her. My sister had the same questions about Cindy ...
what on
> EARTH was her story? How on earth did she make it through her days?
A totally
> odd character even without the murder included!
that's what i wonder, too. irving gets into her bizarre hygiene (or
should i say the lack thereof). i do wonder about cindy; i would be
interested in writing to her.
that info kind of makes cynthia sound like a rage freak looking for an
open vessel.
thanks for sharing it.
please let me know if you have anything more.
diana
loves to chat crime!
interesting that she was up after only eight years. wonder how long
david will be in jail by comparison. they both went to the killing
scene and i'm pretty sure it was cynthia's idea to begin with. cases
like this make me wonder about the biases inherent in the system that
run against the welfare of men.
>
> After eight years in prison, including time spent in jail before her
> conviction, Ray has accummulated enough "good time" credit to be
eligible for
> parole, and the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles is reviewing Ray 's
case for
> the first time. The board will issue its decision by the end of the
year.
>
> After this article there is no reference to her again in the Chronicle
about
> her status. I don't remember her being released though so sh'e
probably still
> in prison.
thank you for sharing that. elizabeth haysom was also denied parole
though she is reported to be a model prisoner.
diana
> --
> "I am not the editor of a newspaper and shall always try to do right
and be
> good, so that God will not make me one" -- Mark Twain
> ... alas, I failed and I am one! Debbie
>
>i'm a big fan of jack olsen (in fact i am currently listening to the
>gypsy murder case on unabridged audio); however, i think daddy's girl is
>not without merit. irving knows how to think like a criminal and his
>methods of investigation, while dubious to some, bring out fascinating
>information about the case. i do feel for the plight of boyfriend david
>(as irving put it, 'betrayed is too pale a word'). but david was
>antisocial and scary (ready to kill over the reposession of his car
>which came about by his own neglect/laziness). i recall jack olsen
>ending his book with david keeping his chin up to make his parents
>proud, and, no doubt, he loved his parents (ted bundy loved his mother).
>still, the man had a severe empathy deficit and was a danger to society.
>in that respect, irving seemed to have a better grasp on david's
>character, enjoying david's wit and his antics, but at the same time,
>respectful and cautious of the psychopathic tendencies behind that
>gullible-boy charm. jack olsen is great, but irving is a force to be
>reckoned with. too bad he hasn't covered more true crime stuff.
As previously noted, I read the Irving book first. Obviiously enjoyed it some,
since I came on here asking questions, and wanted to read more. Was glad to be
reminded by glas about Cold Kill.
BUT... while I found the Irving book interesting. It troubled me in many ways.
I found his insertion/discussion of himself, his "role" in the trial self
serving.. .or something. I guess, if he was called to the stand, he might find
that worth mentioning in the book. BUT .. thought he gave that rather minor
episode way too much "air time." I also wondered at his constant mentioning OF
Jack Olsen's presence, contacts with parties involved.. *odd.* It rang of
jealousy to me. Again, left me feeling I was learning too much about Irving,
and not enough about the STORY.
Obviously (least it seemed to me), Irving had access to the private detective
lady. While that was interesting, I was way more interested in Cindy than
David (his "type" seems rather an obvious one... back to don't date a guy
reading Soldier of Fortune.. or at least don't mention to him you might want
someone dead...). The story of how the detective got David to spill his guts
was interesting (how many times can I use that word.. just the only one that
fits, meaning it wasn't *fascinating* to me...). BUT.. thought that was a
little side story unto itself, the real murder story was more what I wanted to
hear about.
I guess... and this is a predjudice on my part.... Irving's past as an author,
IMHO, makes him less credible in general. If he lied to readers once, what's
to say the latest is all fact?
As noted, I like the Irving book ok, just thought the Olsen book was more an
objective and real true crime book.
Oh by the way, David did love Mom, huh? Beat her up when she would not loan
him money, then after the fuss on that, she LENDS him the money.... Duh. Some
parents are really really dense.
Forgive me, I know you mentioned this before, but admit I sort of skipped over
it. Why are you wanting to write to the killer?
PattyC
good point. it was self-serving and he did go a bit overboard in
recounting it. if memory serves, didn't he even put a picture of
himself on the stand? and, he did take a few cheap shots at olsen.
olsen ignored irving. i guess we could give irving the dubious credit
of being more open about his bad feelings. and, i found irving's whole
volume to be obsessively recountive, which, i liked. i remember some
line about irving wanting to hash and rehash the case over icy vodka
tonics or something. so, in fairness to irving he was obsessive about
the whole case and not just his part in it. he reported about the story
a plenty.
> Obviously (least it seemed to me), Irving had access to the private
detective
> lady. While that was interesting, I was way more interested in Cindy
than
> David (his "type" seems rather an obvious one... back to don't date a
guy
> reading Soldier of Fortune.. or at least don't mention to him you
might want
> someone dead...).
totally. david was not the most intriguing character to me either.
and, i felt that olsen kind of romanticized him a bit. whereas irving
saw him for what he was. i remember olsen's book ending with some
comment about david 'being strong' and not wanting to let his family
down, etc. irving seemed to have a better handle on the fact that hey,
this guy needs to be in a cage. end of story. but, i was only about 13
when i read the book, so, it's been awhile. please feel free to call me
to task if i am practicing selective memory.
The story of how the detective got David to spill
his guts
> was interesting (how many times can I use that word.. just the only
one that
> fits, meaning it wasn't *fascinating* to me...). BUT.. thought that
was a
> little side story unto itself, the real murder story was more what I
wanted to
> hear about.
i kind of go in the reverse direction on this one. patricide cases
involving daughters seem to unravel in the same way... she talks a guy
into doing what she is too queasy to do herself, she either lies or does
not lie about the incest which she never fails to mention, and, the guy
gets a tougher sentence.
to me, the private eye made this case more distinct and it was very
interesting. my personal opinion was that this kim chick was a bitch in
the true linda tripp sense of the word; she was selfish and mercenary
and not above turning a few tricks. i didn't see her as being out to
save the day so much as being interested in making a few quick and easy
bucks. and, i seem to remember olsen describing how kim was so upset
after david was caught and to me now that echoes of linda tripp's saying
that all she wanted to do now was be able to give monica a hug.
> I guess... and this is a predjudice on my part.... Irving's past as
an author,
> IMHO, makes him less credible in general. If he lied to readers once,
what's
> to say the latest is all fact?
absolutely. his credibility is shot. this is unfortunate, and, he
brought that on himself. i don't feel sorry for him but i am pissed
that his self-sabotage is probably what is preventing him from turning
out more true crime books now because i'm still intrigued with his
reporting work and i'd love to see what he'd be able to drag in, for
example, about the menendez murders.
i personally believe that cynthia was sexually abused. i don't know how
much i believe about irving's secret source, which could have been
cynthia's attorney but who knows. and, bottom line is a credible source
could swear on a stack of Bibles but cynthia could have lied to that
source. to me olsen seemed a little to quick to paint good guys and bad
guys. irving himself admitted that his story needed a hero, but the
fact remained that the well meaning prosecutor was probably career
focused and a victim of his own good guy bias, and, david's parents were
a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic and even if irving made up
'dirty jim' he probably did molest his daughter. i appreciate the fact
that two very good authors wrote on this subject. they probably
inadvertently sharpened each other in what became a tale twice told of a
world gone bad.
> As noted, I like the Irving book ok, just thought the Olsen book was
more an
> objective and real true crime book.
i would say olsen was more objective and irving was more accurate. i'd
love to see both of them attack the same case again.
> Oh by the way, David did love Mom, huh? Beat her up when she would
not loan
> him money, then after the fuss on that, she LENDS him the money....
Duh. Some
> parents are really really dense.
aw, david just had a peculiar way of expressing his love. <g>
i suspect his parents had a few loving idiosyncracies of their own.
> Forgive me, I know you mentioned this before, but admit I sort of
skipped over
> it. Why are you wanting to write to the killer?
>
> PattyC
i'd rather not write to her myself, but, i can't help but be curious
about what's going on with cynthia.
diana
diana
>i personally believe that cynthia was sexually abused.
This is interesting. I don't think so, though not sure why. Certainly in some
families, only one child is abused. Wish Jack Olsen still hung around to
answer questions like this.. that is, why he apparently did not buy that.
I just think Cindy was born nuts.
PattyC
>i just made this whole long response to you but if it's okay i wanted to
>add one more thing about the differences between olsen and irving. i
>prefer irving as an author, but i'd never let him date my mom. and, i'd
>say the reverse about olsen.
>
>diana
:) Diana,
I am guessing I am closer to your mom's age than yours. I would rather read
AND "date" Jack Olsen! IF he were available of course!!
PattyC
the unfortunate thing about my mom is that if jack olsen were available
the two of you would never have to fight over him because my mom never
seems to go for well adjusted and honest men. she would go for irving.
ah well. :)
*sigh*
I saw a program once on this and the psychologist/family counselor said
often a parent beats
the child that reminds them most of themself.
In article <8kms7v$51b$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, satisp...@my-deja.com writes:
>i personally believe that cynthia was sexually abused.
This is interesting. I don't think so, though not sure why. Certainly in some
families, only one child is abused. Wish Jack Olsen still hung around to
answer questions like this.. that is, why he apparently did not buy that.
I just think Cindy was born nuts.
PattyC
I missed the beginning of this but it's true that in some families only one
child is abused. I dont really know why.
Barbara
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