Elgin police officer resigns following his own arrest
Porcus Ubiquitous
By Tom O'Konowitz Daily Herald Staff Writer
Posted on December 31, 2002
An Elgin police officer has lost his job after being arrested and
charged with beating a man in a barroom brawl earlier this month,
authorities said.
Ivan Palomares, who joined the Elgin Police Department last year,
resigned his position Dec. 20, according to Elgin Police Chief William
Miller. The move came just one day after Palomares, 23, was accused of
starting a fight at the Studio 63 bar on West 63rd Street in south
suburban Summit.
In that case, Palomares, of west suburban Maywood, was charged with
battery and disorderly conduct, Cook County court records showed.
According to one of the bar's owners, Palomares and two friends
attacked a man in the bar's restroom about 2 a.m. Dec. 19.
The bar owner said an employee saw Palomares and the others punching
and kicking the man, who lie bleeding on the restroom floor. One of
the men then bashed the victim in the face with a beer bottle, causing
a deep gash near his cheekbone, the bar owner said.
The man, who was at the night spot for his company's holiday party,
was rushed to the hospital by paramedics and received stitches to his
face.
The misdemeanor charges against Palomares confirmed the claims he
started the fight, kicking and punching the man, according to reports.
Summit police could not be reached to comment on what may have
provoked the fight.
Miller declined to say whether Palomares was asked to resign as an
Elgin officer, but he did say police supervisors had been in "talks"
with him before he quit.
And his arrest and resignation-under-pressure this month did not mark
the first time the Elgin officer found himself in trouble.
A few months before the Summit fight, Palomares served a 10-day
suspension without pay for his off-duty involvement in another
nightclub fight that ended with his friend shooting another man. No
criminal charges were filed against Palomares in that case, but Stone
Park authorities confirmed Palomares was injured in the fight and
witnessed the shooting that left a man injured.
Miller declined to say if Palomares remained on probation following
his suspension, but police confirmed the disciplinary action had been
recorded in his personnel file.
Cook County court records also showed Palomares was arrested in 1997
on a disorderly conduct charge. Reports show Palomares pleaded guilty
to disorderly conduct for refusing a Maywood police officer's order to
disperse. The then 18-year-old was sentenced to six months
supervision, according to court records.
Palomares could not be reached to comment on Monday. He remains free
on bond and is awaiting a court hearing at 9 a.m. Jan. 21 at the
Bridgeview courthouse.
• Daily Herald staff writer Shamus Toomey contributed to this report.
cucycln
crime.......they make bail and remain free for trial.
So you are saying that all people shouldn't be treated equal?
"The Thinker" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:noone-01010...@ip210.net194.mw.net...
> In article <fb661vcdcgoe9da2v...@4ax.com>, Porcus Ubiquitous
> <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > Palomares could not be reached to comment on Monday. He remains free
> > on bond and is awaiting a court hearing at 9 a.m. Jan. 21 at the
> > Bridgeview courthouse.
>
>
> This cop should be in jail.
Jafo
>
> Why is he any different than any other person charged with a
> crime.......they make bail and remain free for trial.
> So you are saying that all people shouldn't be treated equal?
They aren't. Cops get special treatment.
cucycln
suggest you go change the constitution then......but you can't do that
because you are not really "Jafo" in the first place......your imposter so
your posting are all imposters that hold no creditability!
"Jafo" <bog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3E13C1...@hotmail.com...
Jafo
Read carefully you ignorant buffoon.
He is ja...@cheetah.net
I'm on roadrunner.
No one else at cheetah.net may use the name Jafo.
The name is free to use on any other news host.
Idiot.
cucycln
your not worth answering ..........or wasting of my time......Fraud!news:3E14BC...@hotmail.com...
Jafo
Paul/"Phil" wrote in reply to cucycln:
>Read carefully you ignorant buffoon.
>
>He is ja...@cheetah.net
>
>I'm on roadrunner.
>
>No one else at cheetah.net may use the name Jafo.
>
>The name is free to use on any other news host.
>
>Idiot.
However, the reasons for suddenly posting under the longstanding
name of an adversary are pretty clear to all.
--
Jafo http://www.cheetah.net/jafo/
The Official Chop
of jafo @ cheetah.net
Accept No Substitutes
** All Rights Reserved **
© 1998-2003, by JafoNet, Ltd. :)
Tiny Human Freak
>
> As viewed from alt.thebird.copwatch,
> Paul/"Phil" wrote in reply to cucycln:
>
> >Read carefully you ignorant buffoon.
> >
> >He is ja...@cheetah.net
> >
> >I'm on roadrunner.
> >
> >No one else at cheetah.net may use the name Jafo.
> >
> >The name is free to use on any other news host.
> >
> >Idiot.
>
> However, the reasons for suddenly posting under the longstanding
> name of an adversary are pretty clear to all.
Yes. I do it to all who annoy me.
All you have to do is ignore me.
Replying to this message will the test.
The choice is yours.
I have asked to be left alone.
> Jafo
Tiny Human Ferret
Sure. If he can be a totally offensive idiot worthy of only the killfile,
most people will just set their filters to remove "Jafo" which will mean
that everyone offended by a Forging Imbecile will be unable to read your
Words of Enlightenment.
Classic Forger/Stalker ploy.
Jafo
_The Author Formerly Known as "Phil"Ž_ wrote:
>Jafo wrote:
>> However, the reasons for suddenly posting under the longstanding
>> name of an adversary are pretty clear to all.
>Yes. I do it to all who annoy me.
^^^^^
You misspelled "disagree with".
>All you have to do is ignore me.
I see.
All one has to do is to say nothing when you express an opinion.
>Replying to this message will the test.
>
>The choice is yours.
>
>I have asked to be left alone.
If you don't want responses to the posts that you choose to make in a
public forum, and to the opinions expressed therein, then you probably
shouldn't have made them in the first place. If one must pay a form
of blackmail in order to get you to post in an ethical manner under
some nickname/identity recognizably your own, then the price is too
high. You will not be allowed to set the standards for Usenet.
--
Jafo http://www.cheetah.net/jafo/
The Official Chop
of jafo @ cheetah.net
Accept No Substitutes
** All Rights Reserved **
Š 1998-2003, by JafoNet, Ltd. :)
Tiny Human Ferret
Oh, let's see.
Now you're trying to confuse people that only read the first two words of a
"from:" line.
Have you every been diagnosed, before now, with "infantilism"?
I don't believe I've ever before witnessed such self-aggrandizing pettiness
from anyone over the age of 3.
Jafo.
>
> As viewed from alt.thebird.copwatch,
> _The Author Formerly Known as "Phil"Ž_ wrote:
>
> >Jafo wrote:
> >> However, the reasons for suddenly posting under the longstanding
> >> name of an adversary are pretty clear to all.
>
> >Yes. I do it to all who annoy me.
> ^^^^^
> You misspelled "disagree with".
>
> >All you have to do is ignore me.
>
> I see.
> All one has to do is to say nothing when you express an opinion.
>
> >Replying to this message will the test.
> >
> >The choice is yours.
> >
> >I have asked to be left alone.
>
> If you don't want responses to the posts that you choose to make in a
> public forum, and to the opinions expressed therein, then you probably
> shouldn't have made them in the first place. If one must pay a form
> of blackmail in order to get you to post in an ethical manner under
> some nickname/identity recognizably your own, then the price is too
> high. You will not be allowed to set the standards for Usenet.
Oink!
I have violated nothing.
You are a moron.
You want to dictate to roadrunner what usernames they can have because
they conflict with cheetah.net.
What a buffoon.
You know I don't care who replies to ongoing discussions, but you only
seek to disrupt, antagonize, discredit and annoy people.
Without a clue to who you are talking to.
You are in for a very big surprise.
Thanks for the fan mailbomb to hotmail.
The preferences are set to send everything right to the trash can.
Nice try though.
Jafo.
You ought to know.
You are the stalker.
Jafo.
Who cares about your limited knowledge?
Have a nice day, freak.
Stalker.
Dumbass.
Moron.
The posts you are concerned with are not from my account.
So have a nice day.
Luser.
Jafo
>Jafo wrote:
>> If you don't want responses to the posts that you choose to make
>> in a public forum, and to the opinions expressed therein, then
>> you probably shouldn't have made them in the first place. If
>> one must pay a form of blackmail in order to get you to post
>> in an ethical manner under some nickname/identity recognizably
>> your own, then the price is too high. You will not be allowed
>> to set the standards for Usenet.
>Oink!
>
>I have violated nothing.
>
>You are a moron.
>
>You want to dictate to roadrunner what usernames they can have
>because they conflict with cheetah.net.
>
>What a buffoon.
It would behoove you to learn what you're talking about before,
rather than after, you express an opinion. I'm dictating nothing
to roadrunner and it has nothing to do with any username at
cheetah.net or anyplace else. This has nothing to do with
usernames, which are what comes before the "@" symbol and
the domain in an email address, but rather with the identity
of the author as expressed by a real- or nickname.
>You know I don't care who replies to ongoing discussions,
Oh, you care very much indeed, or you wouldn't have adopted this
technique.
>but you only seek to disrupt, antagonize, discredit and annoy
>people.
A statement that drips with irony, coming as it does from someone
who is clearly attempting to do that very thing.
>Without a clue to who you are talking to.
>
>You are in for a very big surprise.
Oh?
>Thanks for the fan mailbomb to hotmail.
>The preferences are set to send everything right to the trash can.
>Nice try though.
I do not, and have never, sent unsolicited or harassing email to
someone with whom I've disagreed in a Usenet newsgroup. I've often
criticized those who do this, and have always clearly stated that
public discussions belong in the public forum in which they
originated. I don't play those games and if you're getting
mailbombed it's from somebody else. If that individual is reading
this I would urge him or her to stop sending such emails and to
either "share with the class" or STFU.
--
Jafo http://www.cheetah.net/jafo
The Official Chop of jafo @ cheetah.net
Accept No Substitutes
"All Rights Reserved, All Wrongs Reversed"
hc23hc
>
> If he can be a totally offensive idiot worthy of only the killfile,
> most people will just set their filters to remove "Jafo" which will mean
> that everyone offended by a Forging Imbecile will be unable to read your
> Words of Enlightenment.
>
> Classic Forger/Stalker ploy.
Tiny, not so very long ago you had ever so much fun applauding forgery
against "dot". What has changed in your life, other than you got older
but no wiser and yet more subcutaneous in your admiration of lemonfaced
dried-up old deadbeats such as those Dirty Uncles Jafo and Ken(NY) ?
.
.
.
Phil
> > However, the reasons for suddenly posting under the longstanding
> > name of an adversary are pretty clear to all.
>
>
> Yes. I do it to all who annoy me.
>
> All you have to do is ignore me.
>
> Replying to this message will the test.
>
> The choice is yours.
>
> I have asked to be left alone.
We have an early nominee for the stupidest post of the year.
Phil
========
visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website:
http://www.homebrewersguild.org
Phil
> but you only
> seek to disrupt, antagonize, discredit and annoy people.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Jafo.
>
> "Jafo." <bog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3E1440...@hotmail.com>...
>
> > but you only
> > seek to disrupt, antagonize, discredit and annoy people.
>
> Pot. Kettle. Black.
Let me state this in a manner you will fully comprehend:
BURP! exhale...
cucycln
> Phil wrote:
> >
> > "Jafo." <bog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<3E1440...@hotmail.com>...
> >
> > > but you only
> > > seek to disrupt, antagonize, discredit and annoy people.
> >
> > Pot. Kettle. Black.
>
>
> Let me state this in a manner you will fully comprehend:
>
> BURP! exhale...
aka: JAFO you do know how to express yourself so intelligently......what a
looser but that's what makes these debates so much fun. Fightig a
defenseless person. (I use person in the loose form)
Jafo.
>
> "Jafo." <bog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3E1547...@hotmail.com...
> > Phil wrote:
> > >
> > > "Jafo." <bog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<3E1440...@hotmail.com>...
> > >
> > > > but you only
> > > > seek to disrupt, antagonize, discredit and annoy people.
> > >
> > > Pot. Kettle. Black.
> >
> >
> > Let me state this in a manner you will fully comprehend:
> >
> > BURP! exhale...
>
> aka: JAFO you do know how to express yourself so intelligently
At least I know "adult" English.
......what a
> looser but that's what makes these debates so much fun.
Debates? You call what you do communication?
> Fightig a
> defenseless person. (I use person in the loose form)
I realize you are defenseless, what with you having no brain at all,
but, answer me this:
Are you Jafo's left hand or his right?
cucycln
Phil
> Phil wrote:
> >
> > "Jafo." <bog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3E1440...@hotmail.com>...
> >
> > > but you only
> > > seek to disrupt, antagonize, discredit and annoy people.
> >
> > Pot. Kettle. Black.
>
>
> Let me state this in a manner you will fully comprehend:
>
> BURP! exhale...
Your words, not mine:
> but you only
> seek to disrupt, antagonize, discredit and annoy people.
Phil
mike
Phil wrote:
>
> "Jafo." <bog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3E1440...@hotmail.com>...
>
> > but you only
> > seek to disrupt, antagonize, discredit and annoy people.
>
> Pot. Kettle. Black.
>
Naaaaw! Philly-Dogg...its Pot. Kettle. Hom*Brew!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
Tiny Human Ferret
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>
>>If he can be a totally offensive idiot worthy of only the killfile,
>>most people will just set their filters to remove "Jafo" which will mean
>>that everyone offended by a Forging Imbecile will be unable to read your
>>Words of Enlightenment.
>>
>>Classic Forger/Stalker ploy.
>
>
>
>
> Tiny, not so very long ago you had ever so much fun applauding forgery
> against "dot".
Nice use of unsupported bald assertion. Cites, please.
--
Be kind to your neighbors, even | "Global domination, of course!"
though they be transgenic chimerae. | -- The Brain
"People that are really very weird can get into sensitive
positions and have a tremendous impact on history." -- Dan Quayle
Tiny Human Ferret
You're the one assuming close variations on other people's posting names.
You're also the one who appears to be reduced to extreme infantilism in what
I supposed is intended to be a defense of your position.
I'm not a stalker, child. I'm an annoyed sysadmin.
hc23hc
>
> Jafo. wrote:
> > Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> >>
> >>Classic Forger/Stalker ploy.
> >
> > You ought to know.
> >
> > You are the stalker.
>
> You're the one assuming close variations on other people's posting names.
>
Tiny, you're a turncoat when it comes to forgery. What annoys you now
was just peachy-keen with you when your reactionary amigos pulled it on
another poster you didn't like, a while back. Go admin yourself.
.
.
.
hc23hc
hc23hc
>
> hc23hc wrote:
> > Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> >
> >>If he can be a totally offensive idiot worthy of only the killfile,
> >>most people will just set their filters to remove "Jafo" which will mean
> >>that everyone offended by a Forging Imbecile will be unable to read your
> >>Words of Enlightenment.
> >>
> >>Classic Forger/Stalker ploy.
> >
> >
> > Tiny, not so very long ago you had ever so much fun applauding forgery
> > against "dot".
>
> Nice use of unsupported bald assertion. Cites, please.
From: Tiny Human Ferret (ixnayamsp...@earthops.net)
Subject: Re: Thank you 3Phase! Monument Boulevard thanks you
Newsgroups: alt.california, ba.politics, alt.california.illegals, alt.politics.immigration
Date: 2002-09-04 20:56:03 PST
hc23hc wrote:
>
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> >
> > hc23hc wrote:
> > >
> > > Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've endorsed mocking paraphrases of you, though I'd call that humor rather
> > > > than froggery.
> > >
> > > You endorsed Sacco forging his bum off, because it was ... funny ?
> >
> > When did I endorse it? I simply pointed out, as I recall, that a ridiculous
> > paraphrase is a time-honored technique of lampoon, not forgery. I seem to
> > recall that news:news.admin.net-abuse.usenet agreed, except for the
> > predictable idiots who promptly launched into yet-another bashing of Gary
> > Burnore under the extant thread title.
>
> Forgery as lampoon is still forgery, just like "what part of illegal don't
> you understand?". And so what if some faceless netghouls you roped in said
> it might be mildly amusing ? No serious authority said you or Sacco should
> just go ahead and falsify attributions any old way to amuse your limited
> readership.
The headers indicated it wasn't a forgery.
> But that's what you're still endorsing: forgery.
No. A forgery would have appeared to actually come from you, supported by
munged headers which also appeared to have originated with a post by you.
What you got was someone falsely attributing to you, with no forgery
involved, a paraphrase lampooning you severely. And clearly, you've never
gotten over it.
> The difference
> is, you liked the way it was done.
No, it simply wasn't a by-definition forgery. Try giving us cites -- you
should have no difficulties doing that since obviously it's branded into
what passes for your mind -- and I will be happy to show that it's just your
obsession, rather than any actual transgression.
> It's just as useless an FUI defense that
> smelly old Uncle Jafo or the manic-depressive LetsRoll hold you up as some
> sort of Tiny Tim blessing them every one at the apex of their fascist spasms
Actually, "Let's Roll" and I have been eternally "on the outs" since she
like many others seems to be obsessed with Mexicans above all others, and
until recently was pushing the theme of violent revolution against the US
government, in direct proportion to the amount of saber-rattling by said
government against Iraq.
> (or spams, for short). You're still a rule-bender and that's all you'll ever
> be,
Hey, I wrote half of 'em, I'll bend them as I please, thanks.
> so might as well make your peace with your fellow rule-benders in all other
> spheres of human activity, such as ... why the hell not ...illegal immigrants,
> your brown beige and orange rule-bending soulmates.
The problem here is that direct physical violence isn't "rule-bending",
especially when it's permanently disabling.
Or maybe you'd care to align yourself with people who are "all about the
rules" which, IIRC, include female genital mutilation "because it's always
been our tradition". You know, same as "sneaking across the US border has
always been our tradition". Different people, different traditions, but I'm
all about bending the rules, you know, to tell people with such traditions
to just fsck right off.
If you'd rather I supported people who are all about traditions and rules, I
guess I could support that, vomitous though it would make me.
Feeling like one of your rare descents into honesty, yet?
>
> Rule benders can't all be chalky white night-stalking goths like you.
I bent my own rules. I'm a deeply tanned skin-cancer-inviting
only-comes-out-by-day Obvious Suburban Redneck these days. Sure, I like
"black tape for a blue girl" but so what. Sisters of Mercy rules even if
Andrew Eldritch is a fsckwad. However, me using "dark colors Woolite(tm)"
isn't a transgression of the Law of Nations; sneaking across the border is.
> That
> would be illegal discrimination over and above your other disrespect for any
> legitimate rules you can't be bothered observing to the full such as: thou
> shalt not forge.
Now you appear to be accusing me of forging. Either put up or shut up, okay?
>
> > > I told you you're "situationally honest" but you didn't seem to pick
> > > up on that at the time, possibly because it wasn't convenient to you
> > > to do so. Which was the point anyway.
> >
> > I think the point is someone on your head. You can be terribly obtuse in
> > your insistence that things are other than they are, or maybe your
> > insistently obtuse.
>
> If charging you with accessory to forgery is wrong, I don't want to hear any
> more of your insane ferretous squealing about other rule benders. Right ?
No. You have yet to prove forgery. All I am doing is saying that you have
yet to successfully prosecute that case. Thus: you attempt to base your
ultimate case on something as-yet-undemonstrated, hence, you are a wanking
boob, unfortunately not rare in the world, blathering about injustice when
you have yet to prove anything other than that you excel at blathering about
your victimizations by the unprovable.
>
> > Whatever.
>
> That's the hallmark of capitulation. Your submission is noted. If only
> you weren't such a quitter, you might actually amount to something.
>
> > > Maybe that toothpick incident of yours was someone else's idea of
> > > a hilarious practical joke, funny man. Try and see it from their
> > > point of view.
> >
> > There's a world of difference between intentional mayhem and being lampooned
> > by paraphrase.
>
> There's a world of difference between paraphrase and forging inside attribution
> marks in this realm of documentation that supposedly means so much to you.
It's not froggery unless munged headers are involved and you and I and
everyone else knows it.
At best you could call it "lampoonish misattribution of paraphrase in a
manner convincing only to illiterates".
> When
> it's going your way, that is. When it goes against you, all rules are made to
> be bent by you and your fascist protégés, it seems.
>
> "Mayhem by toothpick" might sound funny to some people, even regulars at Chili's,
You appear to be another victim of reading too many "googlings" too fast and
never being able to properly associate facts or timeline.
> is all I'm saying about your unfortunate brush with labor relations at the bottom
> of the food chain. Maybe you'd rather some guys on the internet took a vote on
> it and, if they decide it's funny, you'll have to laugh it off, too. OK ?
They already did that. They've decided to have local network news stations
declare because of my former gothness that "he thinks he's dracula",
inciting the local victims of mass-psychosis to riot. They will lose their
FCC licenses over this if they don't lose the announcers. I'm not laughing,
I think it's really sad sad sad that there are insane people who think it's
their duty to judge the sane insane, and not just assault them, but assault
them with techniques devised specifically to evade detection by the police,
indicating that they're not merely insane, but insane with a criminal
mindset. It's even more sad that elements of local media are in such states
of grandiosity that they think they cannot be replace for inciting riot
against immigration-reform activists.
But to summarize, no, I'm not laughing off a $DEITYdamned thing.
You on the other hand, should duck your head in a bucket until some sense of
perspective returns to you.
>
> > > > Beside, posting to UseNet is lots more fun than sitting outside having
> > > > people stare at me when I have a tourette's episode. Now if only I could
> > > > curse in Spanish.
> > >
> > > Obviously it's your life to waste as you see fit, amigo.
> >
> > I ain't your amigo, now am I. Not until you come to your senses about your
> > support of massive invasion of illegal aliens.
>
> I gave you your name just like any other dedicated godparent would one of their
> own. So until I say otherwise, you're my little amigo whether you like it or not.
Okay, muchacho. Do we have to kiss and make up now? Unless we're both very
cute, I advise against it. Being of the same species would be an added
incentive, though I rather doubt it.
> Of course, I can imagine how you're now thinking of ways to bend that rule too.
> But that's not something you learned from me, so think again before telling me
> to come to *my* perfectly well adjusted senses, you crazy little godsonofabitch.
> I'm sure as hell not interested in coming to yours.
.
.
.
spo...@petitmorte.net
news:a0fR9.233670$C8.7...@nnrp1.uunet.ca:
> what a
> looser but that's what makes these debates so much fun. Fightig a
> defenseless person. (I use person in the loose form)
Can you guess why you always hear laughter behind your back?
--
The power alone stored in my little hand
Could melt the Eiffel Tower
Turn the Sphinx into sand
spo...@petitmorte.net
news:3E163228...@earthops.net:
Ya know what is funny? The clewless ones who don't understand the
significant difference between a forgery and a frogery are the very folks
that make frogery an attractive trolling tool. And the more they react,
the more they ensure more of the stuff that has their Depends in a knot.
If they learned to ignore it, it wouldn't have any power...
Ain't Usenet a blast? :)
Jafo.
Thank you.