Routier: a few facts rarely discussed in the case
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
"The first print lifted from the utility room door is a patent bloody fingerprint.
Forensic fingerprint analyst Glenn Langenburg has positively excluded Applicant as
the source of this print. See Exhibit 1, Report No. 1 of Glenn M. Langenburg; see
also Affidavit of Glenn M. Langenburg (Exhibit 1 to Second Renewed Request, filed
July 29, 2003). Although the bloody fingerprint bears insufficient detail to
identify its source, there is sufficient detail in the print to definitively
exclude Applicant. Id. Applicant's exclusion as the source of this print indicates
that an unknown third party not only deposited this print, but deposited it in
blood, on the night of the murders.
The second print taken from this door is a latent print located below the patent
bloody fingerprint. Latent print consultant Robert Lohnes analyzed this print in
June 2003 and concluded that it matched the second finger joint of Darin Routier
on the m iddle finger of the left hand. See Exhibit 2, Report of Robert C. Lohnes.
This report was submitted to the Court as Exhibit 2 to Second Renewed Request."
2) The Blue Jeans
The document (appeal) says that Mr. Routier made "suspiciously inconsistent
statements" about his bluejeans. At the hospital, when police noticed blood on
them and a tear, Mr. Routier said he tore the jeans while working on the backyard
gate the previous day.
(note, this is the rarely cited police report taken at the hospital that Darin
refers
to in his original affadavit as having talked to the police for a few hours)
"According to the police report, he didn't explain how blood got on his jeans
because he said he came down the stairs naked and got blood on his stomach and
bare knees while trying to give CPR to Devon," the appeal says.
He later told police that he rushed downstairs naked when he heard Ms. Routier
scream and then went upstairs to dress after he gave first aid to the children. At
the bond hearing, Mr. Routier testified that he took the time to put on his jeans
before he rushed downstairs to find out why Ms. Routier was screaming.
3) The $5000 "vacation" loan
This loan application, made by Darin Routier, was not for any "vacation" but
was in fact a loan to buy a truck for Darlie's younger sister, Dana. This never
came out at trial. In fact, Dana Stahl herself, one of the most critical
pre-murder
witnesses was never called by either side(??)
(from Hush Little Babies)
RstJ
Alison MacIntyre
Is this the same sister who brought the silly string to the graveside?
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> RstJ
Cliff and Linda Griffith
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> > This loan application, made by Darin Routier, was not for any "vacation"
but
> > was in fact a loan to buy a truck for Darlie's younger sister, Dana.
This never
> > came out at trial. In fact, Dana Stahl herself, one of the most critical
> > pre-murder
> > witnesses was never called by either side(??)
> > (from Hush Little Babies)
> >
>
> Is this the same sister who brought the silly string to the graveside?
Yes.
Linda
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> >
> > RstJ
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17 BY MS. SHERRI WALLACE:
18 Q. Miss Williams, using this document to
19 refresh your recollection, you can take it. What's the
20 reason for the $5,000 loan?
21 A. When he first came in, he mentioned
22 that --
23
24 MR. JOHN HAGLER: Excuse me. I would
25 object to any hearsay statements by Darin Routier.
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1 THE COURT: All right. Let's rephrase
2 the question. Let's phrase our questions properly,
3 please.
4
5 BY MS. SHERRI WALLACE:
6 Q. You can't get into what he said. Just
7 what did you put down as the reason for the $5,000 loan
8 on the application?
9 A. Vacation.
10 Q. Okay. And, do you remember about what
11 time he came in, Miss Williams, that day?
12 A. It was before noon.
13 Q. Okay.
14 A. Yeah. Before noon.
15 Q. Okay. On the second sheet of State's
16 Exhibit No. 1 (sic), do you have indicated on there what
17 time that loan was turned down that day?
18 A. It looks like about 11:47, but I'm not
19 quite certain exactly what time.
20 Q. Did Mr. Routier wait in the bank to
21 see if he got the loan or not?
22 A. No. He left after he signed the loan
23 application.
24 Q. Did you speak to him that day, that
25 Saturday?
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1 A. No.
2 Q. What did you do after you received
3 that fax that he was turned down?
4 A. I'm not quite certain if I left a
5 message on Saturday or Monday. I'm not quite certain
6 about that.
7 Q. But did you talk to him on Monday?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. Okay. What did you tell him at that
10 point?
11 A. I told him I was sorry but the loan
12 was turned down.
13 Q. Miss Williams, you cannot get into
14 what he said, but what was his tone with you?
15
16 MR. RICHARD C. MOSTY: That is
17 speculation, your Honor.
18 THE COURT: I'll sustain the
19 objection.
20 THE WITNESS: His voice.
21 THE COURT: Just a minute, ma'am. The
22 way we do it down here, when I sustain an objection, you
23 have to wait for the next question.
24 THE WITNESS: Oh, I'm sorry.
25 THE COURT: Don't worry about a thing.
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1 Now, they will ask you another question, and then they
2 are going to ask you some questions.
3 THE WITNESS: Okay.
4 THE COURT: All right. Go ahead.
5
6 BY MS. SHERRI WALLACE:
7 Q. Miss Williams, was he happy about
8 being turned down?
9
10 MR. RICHARD C. MOSTY: Speculation.
11 THE COURT: I'll sustain the
12 objection.
13 MS. SHERRI WALLACE: Your Honor, she
14 talked --
15 MR. RICHARD C. MOSTY: Your Honor, are
16 we going to argue this out in front of the Court?
17 THE COURT: We're not going to argue
18 it. We are just going to -- just ask the next question.
19
20 BY MS. SHERRI WALLACE:
21 Q. Miss Williams, did you tell him the
22 reason he was turned down?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. Okay. And, were those -- is that
25 contained on State's Exhibit No. 51?
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1 A. Yes.
2 Q. Okay.
3
4 (Whereupon, the following
5 mentioned item was
6 marked for
7 identification only
8 after which time the
9 proceedings were
10 resumed on the record
11 in open court, as
12 follows:)
13
14 BY MS. SHERRI WALLACE:
15 Q. Let me show you what's been marked for
16 identification as State's Exhibit No. 51-A. Is this a
17 code from your bank of those reasons?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. Okay. If you could look at State's
20 Exhibit 51-A to refresh your recollection. Tell the
21 members of the jury the reason Mr. Routier was turned
22 down for his loan.
23
24 MR. RICHARD C. MOSTY: Your Honor,
25 before we start referring to documents, we need to see
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1 the document.
2 THE COURT: All right. If you could
3 show that to the defense, please.
4 MS. SHERRI WALLACE: Yes, sir.
5 MR. RICHARD C. MOSTY: Thank you.
6 MS. SHERRI WALLACE: May I proceed,
7 your Honor?
8 THE COURT: You may.
9
10 BY MS. SHERRI WALLACE:
11 Q. Miss Williams, referring to 51-A,
12 could you tell the jury why Mr. Routier was turned down
13 for this $5,000 loan?
14 A. All four of them?
15 Q. Please.
16 A. Okay. Excessive obligation in
17 relation to income; an excessive amount owed on revolving
18 accounts; and too many new accounts; and delinquent, past
19 or present credit obligations with others.
20 Q. Miss Routier (sic), after you gave him
21 that information -- excuse me.
22 Miss Williams, after you gave Mr.
23 Routier that information, you said that he wanted to try
24 additional collateral and resubmit the loan; is that
25 correct?
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1 A. Yes.
2 Q. From his request, did you resubmit the
3 loan with the underwriters?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. And, what happened that time?
6 A. It was turned down and they -- oh.
7 Q. What were you going to say, Miss
8 Williams?
9 A. The only way that they will approve
10 the loan was if it was CD secured.
11 Q. Okay. And he didn't have that CD or
12 money available? Or he didn't offer that to you, did he?
13 A. No.
14 Q. Okay. When did you give him this
15 information about it being turned down for the second
16 time?
17 A. I'm not quite certain, but it could
18 have been Monday or Tuesday.
19 Q. Tuesday being June the 4th of 1996?
20 A. Yes. Um-hum. (Witness nodding head
21 affirmatively).
22 Q. Okay