Putting their feet down on squish/crush videos
Terence P Higgins
Ban Sought on Animal Death Videos (AP)
LOS ANGELES - Lawmakers and animal rights activists are calling for a ban
on the production of ``crush videos,'' films for viewers who get sexually
aroused by watching women smashing rats and other small animals.
Sales of the videos, primarily on the Internet, is a worldwide business,
Ventura County District Attorney Michael Bradbury said at a news
conference Monday.
He was flanked by poster-sized photographs taken from videos that showed
women's feet in platform shoes or stiletto heels, apparently crushing rats
and other rodents.
``Put a stop, won't you, to crush videos,'' said actor Mickey Rooney, an
animal rights activist.
``What are we going to hand our children? This is what we're going to hand
down, these videos, crush videos? God forbid.''
State animal cruelty laws outlaw the making of such videos, but
prosecution is difficult unless producers are caught in the act. A
proposed federal law would target distributors, said Rep. Elton Gallegly,
R-Simi Valley.
``It clearly is one of the sickest and most demented forms of animal
cruelty that I've ever been exposed to,'' Gallegly said.
His bill would make it illegal to create, sell or possess any
``depiction'' of animals being tortured, maimed or killed for commercial
purposes. Violators could get up to five years in prison.
Jeff Vilencia of Lakewood, whose << Squish>>Ê Productions has made crush
films of insects, said he doesn't plan to resume production unless the
controversy is resolved.
``What about the fur industry, what about fishermen, what about the cattle
industry?'' Vilencia asked. ``The concern is you can kill anything you
want, basically, in any
manner you want if it's for food or for sport or for fashion, but you
cross the line when you do it for sexual gratification.''
He estimated there were fewer than 1,000 crush fetishists worldwide, based
on his Internet contacts.
During a yearlong probe, an investigator went into Internet chat rooms to
try to obtain crush videos.
``She talked to people in Italy, the United Kingdom, Japan, Mexico, all
over the United States,'' said Tom Connors, a Ventura County assistant
prosecutor. ``We were trying to find out whether people were still
producing the videos.''
The probe led to animal cruelty charges against two people who are
scheduled for a preliminary hearing on Thursday, said Carol Rash, a Los
Angeles County prosecutor.
If convicted, they could face more than four years in prison, she said.
<note to self: ditch that copy of Old Yeller...>
--
it's such a sad old feeling
the fields are soft and green
it's memories that i'm stealing
but you're innocent when you dream
Joe1orbit
> Haven't seen this here yet:
Hello,
That's because it hasn't been posted, and I thank you VERY much for making
the post. Very fascinating issue, and the segment of the foot fetish community
that is into crush/tample, quite a LARGE segment, are up in arms over this
proposed ban. There IS a very real COMMERCIAL market for these types of crush
videos, a few folks even earn their livings by making & selling them to
crush-obsessed foot fetishists.
> Ban Sought on Animal Death Videos (AP)
>
>LOS ANGELES - Lawmakers and animal rights activists are calling for a ban
>on the production of ``crush videos,'' films for viewers who get sexually
>aroused by watching women smashing >rats and other small animals.
The REAL nature of the sexual arousal, for MOST crush fetishists, is totally
MASOCHISTIC, rather than SADISTIC. What do I mean by that? Well, the viewers,
overwhelmingly men, who have this crush fetish, while watching the fatal animal
crush occur, fantasize that THEY are the ones who are BEING crushed to death.
That is the primary source for their erotic arousal & climax, NO type of
sadistic pleasure in terms of seeing the animals die, and they don't identify
with the female CRUSHER, but rather imagine themselves as the animal who is
getting crushed.
>Sales of the videos, primarily on the Internet, is a worldwide business,
>Ventura County District Attorney Michael Bradbury said at a news
>conference Monday.
Absolutely true. And the internet is to BLAME for the authorities deciding to
implement these types of laws. You see, before the internet came along, the
entire crush fetish group of people stayed to themselves, only sharing info &
videos with each other. But once a few of them started to LIST their videos on
the INTERNET, clueless animal lover newbies starting stumbling across the web
sites, became outraged, contacted BIG and influential animal rights
organizations, and pressure was then put on the political WHORES to draft laws
to outlaw these videos.
>He was flanked by poster-sized photographs taken from videos that showed
>women's feet in platform shoes or stiletto heels, apparently crushing rats
>and other rodents.
Quite common, even though the crushing of large bugs snails, crabs, & other
little animals is even more common.
>``Put a stop, won't you, to crush videos,'' said actor Mickey Rooney, an
>animal rights activist.
>
>``What are we going to hand our children? This is what we're going to hand
>down, these videos, crush videos? God >forbid.''
Hey Mickey, you old & senile fellow, stop trying to use you washed up fame to
coerce your elected whores into denying people their ability to achieve
ultimate sexual climaxes.
>State animal cruelty laws outlaw the making of such videos, but
>prosecution is difficult unless producers are caught in the act. A
>proposed federal law would target distributors, said Rep. Elton Gallegly,
>R-Simi Valley.
OUTRAGEOUS, for the federal government to get involved.
>``It clearly is one of the sickest and most demented forms of animal
>cruelty that I've ever been exposed to,'' >Gallegly said.
It's a sexual fetish, Elton. Your entire society is CRUEL, genocidal in fact.
Stop trying to demonize this segment of the population, just because you know
there are so FEW crush fetishists, that they could never form a viable
electorate block.
>His bill would make it illegal to create, sell or possess any
>``depiction'' of animals being tortured, maimed or killed for commercial
>purposes. Violators could get up to five years in prison.
>
>Jeff Vilencia of Lakewood, whose << Squish>>Ê Productions has made crush
>films of insects, said he doesn't plan to resume production unless the
>controversy is resolved.
Jeff is the #1 producer/seller of these types of videos. Cool guy.
>``What about the fur industry, what about fishermen, what about the cattle
>industry?'' Vilencia asked. ``The concern is you can kill anything you
>want, basically, in any
>manner you want if it's for food or for sport or for fashion, but you
>cross the line when you do it for sexual >gratification.''
Jeff, your insight of Truth is absolutely BRILLIANT, but the Human Garbage
leaders of your society are evil and perverse enough to reject your undeniable
truth, and simply toss it aside as they move on their agenda of pandering to
the large sexually uptight and the animal lover constituencies.
>He estimated there were fewer than 1,000 crush fetishists worldwide, based
>on his Internet contacts.
Probably true.
>During a yearlong probe, an investigator went into Internet chat rooms to
>try to obtain crush videos.
>
>``She talked to people in Italy, the United Kingdom, Japan, Mexico, all
>over the United States,'' said Tom Connors, a Ventura County assistant
>prosecutor. ``We were trying to find out whether people were still
>producing the videos.''
Unbelievable! She literally ENTRAPPED and COERCED innocent people, into
providing her with ammunition to use to try to outlaw this fetish activity.
>The probe led to animal cruelty charges against two people who are
>scheduled for a preliminary hearing on Thursday, said Carol Rash, a Los
>Angeles County prosecutor.
>
>If convicted, they could face more than four years in prison, she said.
>
>
> <note to self: ditch that copy of >Old Yeller...>
What a PROFOUNDLY insightful point Jeff made, pointing out the hypocrisy of a
society practicing MASS animal genocide & torture, but choosing to condemn &
try to outlaw this TINY segment of animal abuse, SOLELY because the REASON it
is being committed, is for SEXUAL gratification.
Take care, JOE
>--
>it's such a sad old feeling
>the fields are soft and green
>it's memories that i'm stealing
>but you're innocent when you dream
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hypocrisy of a society practicing MASS animal genocide & torture, but choosing
to condemn & try to outlaw this TINY segment of animal abuse, SOLELY because
That's a good enough reason. We don't need any more perverts allowing their
weirdness to hurt animals and later people. People are sick of perverts not
keeping their dicks in their pants and off of the WWW.
Joe1orbit
><Snip 'n paste: What a PROFOUNDLY insightful point Jeff made, pointing out
>the
>hypocrisy of a society practicing MASS animal genocide & torture, but
>choosing
>to condemn & try to outlaw this TINY segment of animal abuse, SOLELY because
>the REASON it is being committed, is for SEXUAL gratification. End of snip.>
cbof...@aol.com (CBofGDALE) Wrote:
>That's a good enough reason.
Hello,
It certainly is, as long as you are a brainwashed, mentally ill, profoundly
hypocritical, member of society.
>We don't need any more perverts allowing their
>weirdness to hurt animals and later >people.
Crush fetishists are the ones who are in danger of being hurt themselves,
because many of them, in addition to masturbating to climax over these videos,
also go to hookers and paid dominatrixes and have them STAND on their bodies,
risking broken ribs and othere injuries.
As to your perverse interpretation of "weirness", it is a LOT weirder to
genocidally mass murder 1,000,000 cows a year because you like the taste of
beef, and a million other animals because you like to wear leather or fur
clothing & shoes, as a diseased society.
> People are sick of perverts not
>keeping their dicks in their pants and off >of the WWW.
I'm sure they are. Society recognizes how DANGEROUS the WWW is, how it
threatens to draw citizen-slaves away from enslaving themselves to specific,
singular humans via marriage and Sacred Family Unit creation.
I won't even try to convince you that your attitude proves you to be far more
"perverse" than any crush fetishist. It's not worth the time or effort, and
since I'm familiar with your thinking abilities and mindset, I know there is no
chance of you recognizing or accepting the truth of this fact.
Take care, JOE
Take care, JOE
jo_a...@my-deja.com
"Crushing" appears courtesy of Scribner Publishers and GOOD MORNING AMERICA.
Copyright August 1999. SEG14/B/2SHOTANDCUE98=INTERNAL ***CONTENT*** Q: "When
did you first learn about 'Crushing?'' JD: "I was first alerted to this
phenomenon called "Crushing" in a slightly altered variation about seven
years ago at a symposium in Tokyo. The term "crushing" describes a type of
picture or video of a living animal being stomped on by a woman often wearing
high heel shoes or what they call pumps--any shoe that has erotic overtones.
These pictures or movies are often photographed by men and bartered by men so
this is a situation of dual offenders producing a type of pornography but in
classic pornography that is illegal we typically consider the women to be
potential victims but not so in Crushing." Q: "How much does a crush video
cost on the underground market?" JD: "I've seen some ridiculous figures in
the last twenty four hours. The average crush video goes for somewhere
between twenty and one hundred dollars but the medium is in the thirty dollar
range. These films are excruciatingly poorly produced. Some are not even in
focus." Q: "Amateur hour snuff films. Where are they sold?" JD: "They are
sold on the world wide web or internet for anywhere between twenty and one
hundred dollars. They are sold from friend to friend. The crush community is
a small, homely, inbred community. This type of thing has nowhere near the
appeal of even the most perverse forms of legal pornography." Q: "Why do they
create these products and who buys them?" JD: "The concept is supposed to be
sexually stimulating but only the people who do it and collect it are
gratified by it--it is not a normal human sexual instinct and in April of
this year 'crushing' was categorized by Behavioral Sciences as a third tier
sexual perversion, somewhere between having sexual intercourse with a dead
body and eating feces. It is a variation on beastiality but with clear
overtones of necrophelia. It is obviously not normal to masturbate to a movie
of a rat or mouse or a monkey being crushed to death beneath a stiletto heel.
The Sacramento Vampire was a spree killer who used to have intercourse with
dead cats he had sliced open and this is a figment of that type of delusion.
This is a pathetic power play where the target is a defenseless animal and
the means to exact revenge is the penis or vagina as emblemized through a
foot or shoe, depending on the offender--and we are by definition talking
about women. The purveyor will also imagine that the animal is his own
genitals and gets off on the idea that he is being punished. Sometimes he
will masturbate with objects or even pound himself with a shoe." Q: "What
could make a person want to kill animals for pleasure and integrate it into
sexual fantasy?" JD: "Sexual aggression directed towards small animals is
almost always an indication that the holder of the perversion has himself or
herself been the victim of a sexual assault by a family member of the same
sex, or willingly had a sexual affair with a father, sibling or other
caretaker. Now there are exceptions to this naturally but they are rare.
These women also tend to be homely types using the death of animals to
reconfigure for power." Q: "How pathetic." JD: "Often these women or females
feel they are too ugly to ever have a normal relationship with a member of
the opposite sex. A male with these characteristics will occasionally embark
on a killing spree and sometimes the victims are pets or companion animals.
Much of the brutalization we see of animals by gangs does not fit into this
category. We are talking now about a specific type of animal brutality that
is directly sexualized. In twenty-five years I have personally seen two
exceptions to the rules I have just articulated--about these women being
unattractive victims of incest--and that is out of nearly two hundred and
fifty offenders who sexualized the mistreatment of pets and companion
animals. Generally speaking these people are too cowardly to confront human
beings but feel on safer terrain murdering tiny animals." Q: "You've talked
about the people who do it. How about the people who like it, view it and pay
money for it?" JD: "Yes. This is a dual equation because you have the people
who kill the animals and produce the pornography, and you have the collector
who shells out money for this unbelievable junk. From the collector's
perspective this is a sick twist on the fairly classic male fascination with
the female foot, but your average customer for this type of material is not
interested in the girl's foot. It is overwhelmingly going to be a male, age
twenty to forty, often unemployed and dependent on others for money, who
purchases these videos and his motivation is simply that he wants to
masturbate while watching an animal killed. We see a lot of gamblers and
addicts and alcoholics. These people tend to be slovenly. He will watch a
movie over and over again and achieve an erection and literally manipulate
himself until he achieves orgasm. The half life on a crush video is maybe
five hours, so he can only watch it so many times before he needs a new
video. In this sense crush material is addictive. These people are losers and
loners, society's fringe element. Some early data I've seen in Virginia
suggests that there is a significant prevalence of hate group membership
among these people. Again it is significant but I would not call it high.
Generally these people do not belong to anything but identify themselves by
their sexual fantasies. They feel they are part of a community that actually
exists but it is too small to be serious community." Q: "What might the
typical profile be on a man who likes crush entertainment?" JD: "These types
did poorly in school, are barely educated, not very intelligent, can't hold
jobs and do not have normal relationships with people. They like to think of
themselves as cutting edge or nouveau chic but nobody but themselves knows
their name. They are nobodies with too much time on their hands. Even the men
among them who are heterosexual almost never have had normal relationships
with women. Rarely and I mean rarely they will visit prostitutes but
generally their lives revolve around masturbation, imagination, images and
fantasy. They have to rely on fantasy because they lack social skills. You
will find that a lot of these men have never even had normal intercourse.
Most of them are alienated from their parents. Many will be only children but
some will have siblings but are generally not close to them or have been
disinherited. Certainly none of them have owned pets, had pets or loved
animals. Everything they know about life comes from pornography, magazines or
the internet. They could not relate to a woman if their lives depended on it
because reality is so messed up in their minds. Who but this kind of
individual could confuse normal sexual attraction to a reproductive-age woman
with the murder of a mouse or rat? It speaks for itself." Q: But who is
worse, the women who kill the animals or the men who obsess on the pictures
of them doing it? JD: "This question has an easy answer but the truth is that
it is hard to explain why a woman would step on an animal, even if the man
who buys the material is of a bigger concern to me personally than the women
who do it. The women are very sick and stupid but the men are potentially
dangerous. This male individual who likes crush paraphernalia will not be
able to achieve release with a real female or even with normal heterosexual
pornography and this is why the image of an animal being killed beneath a
shoe becomes almost sacred for him. There's a high percentage that this type
of man is impotent, or would like desperately to be attracted to the human
female but is simply not. He may be gay or, in rare instances, attracted to
animals. But the danger is that if he is not gay he may lash out at real
women. I don't want to say much more about that. But I would like to qualify
what I said a few minutes ago. The fact is that our best studies indicate
that this type of male, attracted to "crushing" is going to---he feels he
deserves to be punished. He may even be homosexual, in fact he most likely
is. He is not aroused by the female foot but sees himself as the aggressor
and finds the death of the animal erotically gratifying. Sometimes the male
purveyor of the crush film identifies with the animal, as crazy as that
sounds, and his erection and orgasm are a kind of mixed up gratitude to the
female for punishing him. Jack Denkins has written some amazing papers on
this concept and I find them compelling. The danger comes when these losers
grow tired of watching animals killed. They may want to hurt something for
themselves as the fantasy and gratification begin to perish." Q: "In the
instance that the collector is a gay male, is he dangerous?" JD: "If the of
male attracted to Crush films is so feminine and effeminate and identifies
with the animal he is unlikely to become a threat to society. This individual
probably has issues with his mother and may even have a history of sexual
relations with his own mother. This is one pattern we uncovered in Osaka and
some interesting work we've done in Nevada and Texas has echoed what Japanese
criminalists have theorized about crushers in general. The true pervert who
fantasizes about the shoe and identifies with the power of the death is a
much sicker type but they do not tend to be attracted to crush videos." Q:
"OK, but I don't think you ever stated explicitly why women would participate
in this. Is it just to make money?" JD: "Nothing this pathetic and aberrant
is ever done strictly for financial gain and, in fact, these films are
bringing in no money to speak of because the demand is zilch. But who on
earth are these women? That is a fair question. From the participant's point
of view stepping on mice and rats is probably a manifestation of hatred of
men. Many of the women who participate in these escapades are addicted to one
thing or another, they are incapable of having a normal relationship with
anyone--and that is not limited to a romantic relationship. They are either
compulsive eaters or alcoholics or compulsive masturbators or in rare
instance are furious at animals because some pet in the past could not fill
all their needs. Some of these women have been raped by family members and
had abortions and there may be some link there between the aborted fetus and
the murder of a small animal. For reasons we don't yet understand, a majority
of these young women are either lesbians or suffer from eating disorders. In
almost eighty or ninety percent of the cases you will find that these girls
are very unattractive by our social standards." Q: "You better say that
again, John, with a bit more tact." JD: (laughs) "The facts are the facts. A
large proportion of the young females who participate in the crush phenomenon
are not attractive in any sense of the word; they tend to be grossly
overweight, have disfigurements of one sort or another. A high percentage
have attempted suicide and bear scars. Some are cutters and self-mutilators.
They may be reacting to some indignity they have experienced in the past,
probably by a man who rejected them outright. It is almost as if they are
taking out their own ugliness on something that cannot insult them back. A
little mouse can't look up and say, "Christ you're a fat homely blob" or
"your brain is a pile of rot." Dr. Soto and I interviewed twenty eight of
these women; fourteen in Osaka and fourteen in Las Vegas, and I know this is
not politically correct but I was struck by how intensely ugly these women
were. It is probably no accident that in many of these films and pictures we
see only their feet. This is like the Wizard of Oz where the incredible loser
conceals herself behind the illusion of power, but in the case of these
pathetic movies nobody is fooling anybody. That they only display their feet
is for a reason. Do you know that of the twenty-eight women we interviewed,
only two had ever had normal intercourse with a male their own age? Many had
had incestuous relationships and one claimed to prefer intercourse with an
animal, but two had dated or had a normal relationship. All of the women had
obsessions with dieting and weight, all were overweight or, as I said,
intensely unattractive. I mean no conventional man would find them
attractive. I think crushing is about venting anger on a pitiful target. It's
too pathetic to be scary to me. But it is sick and I understand the media's
interest in it." Q: "Can you be more specific about who the men are? Who is
behind the camera and who mans the web sites an chat rooms?" JD: "There are
men involved in the production of these videos and pictures and the men are
what we call enablers. Many of these men--I'll say nearly all--are gay and
behavioral scientists have no idea why this is. If they were not gay they
would probably be setting fires and murdering and raping women. They justify
what they are doing by saying, "We'll make money off the perverted
fascination of our customers" but the truth is this is not a very popular
phenomenon and is of interest only to a very tiny group of people who have
managed to convince themselves this is some sort of sensual fad. The men who
sell this material are not really trying to make money but they are just like
the buyer, finding perverse sexual titillation in the suffering of an animal
one-eight hundredth their mass and literally, I hate to be graphic, holding
their penis in their hand and shaking it while watching a high heel come down
on a rat's throat. This is who they are. They can hide behind all the excuses
in the world and they may think they are the next Bill Gates but at the sad
core they are "peter puffers" to use an old Marine expression." Q: "You mean
in this instance the image of the female foot is not a heterosexual image?"
JD: "In this context? Of course not. How could it be? If Freud was alive he
would tell you that the use of the female foot to crush an animal is a
homoerotic image. It is produced by a woman but geared towards a man who is
sexually attracted to other men. It is a false-erotic image and the reason it
appeals to gay men is for the brief moment they relieve themselves to the
image they are able to imagine that they are straight, heterosexual men
because, as I said, they can reach orgasm to an image whose central feature
is a female foot. But what I said before is crucial--they could care less
about the female foot. They are excited by the power and the death of the
animal. It exhilarates them. And the idea this is some vanguard taboo excites
them as well." Q: "Of course what you are saying makes sense. If it was the
foot they could find a million different images of the female foot. But they
go to enormous expense and trouble to obtain these crush films." JD:
"Exactly. You could say they pay a premium for the illusion--to self and
other--that they are straight. The truth is these people either eroticize
images of power and violence. One survey in Tokyo revealed that fifty-three
percent of those who purchased crush videos were HIV positive. Take that for
what it is worth." Q: "Where does crushing fit on the panoply of FBI
concerns?" JD: "Clearly this is not the Green River Killer. I have spoken to
serial killers that are repulsed by the idea of "crush videos" not because it
is so "cutting edge" -- they laugh at that idea -- but because even killers,
who are the cowardly of the cowardly, think that stepping on mice is
ludicrous and they pity any one who could possibly be sexually titillated by
seeing it. "Crushing" is such a non-event, such a non-phenomenon, and it
attacks people who are so on the fringe that they are not even part of the
fringe. They are losers. You'll note that I don't even call serial killers
losers--but "crushers" so called are losers. This is the sexually-deficient
fringe. It is as hard not to laugh at them as it is to allocate valuable
resources to capturing them. They are almost too much of a looser to be
classified for FBI purposes as losers. If that makes sense." Q: Thank you,
John. That was John Douglass, author of such books as MANHUNTER and SEXUAL
HOMICIDE: PATTERNS AND MOTIVES.
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>F.Y.I. ALERT: Data on Crushing SUBJECT LINE: Profiler John Douglass on
>"Crushing" appears courtesy of Scribner Publishers and GOOD MORNING AMERICA.
>Copyright August 1999. SEG14/B/2SHOTANDCUE98=INTERNAL >***CONTENT***
Hello,
Thanks very much for the post. Unfortunately, I have absolutely NO respect
for John Douglas or any of his "insights", since most of them are totally wrong
and bigoted. Still, it makes for interesting reading. I'm leaving on my monthly
trip in only 68 hours, and my time is limited, so my commentary below, to
John's statements, will be very BRIEF.
> Q: "When
>did you first learn about 'Crushing?'' JD: "I was first alerted to this
>phenomenon called "Crushing" in a slightly altered variation about seven
>years ago at a symposium in Tokyo. The term "crushing" describes a type of
>picture or video of a living animal being stomped on by a woman often wearing
>high heel shoes or what they call pumps--any shoe that has erotic >overtones.
Shows how out of touch John is. The crush fetish has been with us for
CENTURIES. For John to only have learbed about it 7 years ago, shows how poorly
read he is on fetishism.
>These pictures or movies are often photographed by men and bartered by men so
>this is a situation of dual offenders producing a type of pornography but in
>classic pornography that is illegal we typically consider the women to be
>potential victims but not so in Crushing." Q: "How much does a crush video
>cost on the underground market?" JD: "I've seen some ridiculous figures in
>the last twenty four hours. The average crush video goes for somewhere
>between twenty and one hundred dollars but the medium is in the thirty dollar
>range. These films are excruciatingly poorly produced. Some are not even in
>focus."
The price range is accurate. The quality of the videos is generally VERY
good, however.
>Q: "Amateur hour snuff films. Where are they sold?" JD: "They are
>sold on the world wide web or internet for anywhere between twenty and one
>hundred dollars. They are sold from friend to friend. The crush community is
>a small, homely, inbred community. This type of thing has nowhere near the
>appeal of even the most perverse forms of >legal pornography."
What a DISEASED hypocrite this John Douglas creature is. Bathing in the blood
of his society's VICTIMS to get RICH, via his book sales, & yet having the
audacity to insult the crush fetish community with RIDICULOUS words like
"homely".
> Q: "Why do they
>create these products and who buys them?" JD: "The concept is supposed to be
>sexually stimulating but only the people who do it and collect it are
>gratified by it--it is not a normal human sexual instinct and in April of
>this year 'crushing' was categorized by Behavioral Sciences as a third tier
>sexual perversion, somewhere between having sexual intercourse with a dead
>body and eating feces. It is a variation on beastiality but with clear
>overtones of necrophelia. It is obviously not normal to masturbate to a movie
>of a rat or mouse or a monkey being >crushed to death beneath a stiletto heel.
Hey John, you WHORE: Your diseased society is not "normal".
>The Sacramento Vampire was a spree killer who used to have intercourse with
>dead cats he had sliced open and this is a figment of that type of delusion.
>This is a pathetic power play where the target is a defenseless animal and
>the means to exact revenge is the penis or vagina as emblemized through a
>foot or shoe, depending on the offender--and we are by definition talking
>about women.
John is totally wrong. The above explanation has NOITHING to do with the True
Reality of crush fetishists.
> The purveyor will also imagine that the animal is his own
>genitals and gets off on the idea that he is being punished.
The VIEWER of the crush video enjoys this fantasy, sometimes.
>Sometimes he
>will masturbate with objects or even pound himself with a shoe."
True.
>Q: "What
>could make a person want to kill animals for pleasure and integrate it into
>sexual fantasy?" JD: "Sexual aggression directed towards small animals is
>almost always an indication that the holder of the perversion has himself or
>herself been the victim of a sexual assault by a family member of the same
>sex, or willingly had a sexual affair with a father, sibling or other
>caretaker. Now there are exceptions to this naturally but they are rare.
John has NO idea what he is TALKING about. He has NO understanding of what
the crush fetish is, or the mindsets of crush fetishists. I've already
EXPLAINED that mindset in previous, recent posts, and have no time or desire to
repeat myself.
>These women also tend to be homely types using the death of animals to
>reconfigure for power."
Ridiculous! Many of the gals in crush videos are VERY beautiful. If they are
less than beautiful, it's only because the videographer could not CONVINCE a
more beautiful gal to take a job that involved crushing animals to death, for a
$100-$1000 dollar fee.
>Q: "How pathetic." JD: "Often these women or females
>feel they are too ugly to ever have a normal relationship with a member of
>the opposite sex. A male with these characteristics will occasionally embark
>on a killing spree and sometimes the victims are pets or companion animals.
>Much of the brutalization we see of animals by gangs does not fit into this
>category. We are talking now about a specific type of animal brutality that
>is directly sexualized. In twenty-five years I have personally seen two
>exceptions to the rules I have just articulated--about these women being
>unattractive victims of incest--and that is out of nearly two hundred and
>fifty offenders who sexualized the mistreatment of pets and companion
>animals. Generally speaking these people are too cowardly to confront human
>beings but feel on safer terrain murdering tiny animals."
As I KNEW would be the case even before I started reading this article, John
has NO understanding of what the crush fetish is all about. None at all.
Not going to comment on the rest, but you can safely assume that just about
EVERY comment & opinion John makes, is incorrect.
Take care, JOE
Christi Conley
I just can't imagine finding that gratifying - I can almost understand the
stiletto heel fetish - the shoe symbolizes sex and beauty and the shape of
the shoe is very sexual - But I can no more understand the crushing of
animals as a sexual tool than I can necrophilia or some of the harder core
bondage and discipline acts (i.e.: golden and brown showers).
I don't know if the fact I am a vegetarian has anything to do with my
repulsiveness, but I can't see why anyone would do this to an animal....
--
Christi
http://colesce.hypermart.net
>^,,^< >^,,^< >^,,^< >^,,^<
WORTH
We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing,
while others judge us by what we have already done.
- Longfellow
Joe1orbit <joe1...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990830083243...@ng-cm1.aol.com...
Nancy Rudins
|> I have heard of this fetish before -
|> I just can't imagine finding that gratifying - I can almost understand the
|> stiletto heel fetish - the shoe symbolizes sex and beauty and the shape of
|> the shoe is very sexual - But I can no more understand the crushing of
|> animals as a sexual tool than I can necrophilia or some of the harder core
|> bondage and discipline acts (i.e.: golden and brown showers).
|>
|> I don't know if the fact I am a vegetarian has anything to do with my
|> repulsiveness, but I can't see why anyone would do this to an animal....
|>
|> --
|> Christi
|> http://colesce.hypermart.net
|> >^,,^< >^,,^< >^,,^< >^,,^<
|> WORTH
|> We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing,
|> while others judge us by what we have already done.
|> - Longfellow
|>
Hello Christi,
I had only heard about this fetish this weekend via an article
in the Chicago Sun-Times. I was horrified to hear of it.
(I missed most of this thread--thank gawd--because I normally
do not read Joe's stuff and the replies that follow). The
columnist in the Sun-Times who wrote about it was also horrified.
He talked to some police, who were aware of it and were concerned
not only because of the obvious animal cruelty involved but also
because this type of behavior is often a forerunner to similar
acts of cruelty to other humans. Jeffrey Dahlmer is a classic
example. I too find it difficulty to imagine why anyone would
want to do this to an animal.
Kind regards,
Nancy
--
I'm taking the time for a number of things that weren't important yesterday.
Nancy Rudins nru...@ncsa.uiuc.edu
http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/People/nrudins/
Christi Conley
Michael <- curious as usual
Excuse me?
--
Christi
http://colesce.hypermart.net
>^,,^< >^,,^< >^,,^< >^,,^<
WORTH
We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing,
while others judge us by what we have already done.
- Longfellow
Dog3 <do...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:7qe226$5hc$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net...
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Christi Conley <Wicke...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:7qdust$sfa$1...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net...
> > I have heard of this fetish before -
> > I just can't imagine finding that gratifying - I can almost understand
the
> > stiletto heel fetish - the shoe symbolizes sex and beauty and the shape
of
> > the shoe is very sexual - But I can no more understand the crushing of
> > animals as a sexual tool than I can necrophilia or some of the harder
core
> > bondage and discipline acts (i.e.: golden and brown showers).
> >
> > I don't know if the fact I am a vegetarian has anything to do with my
> > repulsiveness, but I can't see why anyone would do this to an animal....
> >
> > --
> > Christi
> > http://colesce.hypermart.net
> >
>
> So, when did you come off the farm ?
>
> Michael <- curious as usual
>
Demona888
>
>Christi Conley <Wicke...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>news:7qe4e8$qk0$1...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net...
>> So, when did you come off the farm ?
>> Michael <- curious as usual
>>
>>
>>
>> Excuse me?
>>
>> --
>> Christi
>
>Mis-read your post. Sorry, for some reason I thought you lived on a farm.
>I don't know where I got the impression. BTW, I'm afraid of the answer but
>what is a brown shower ?
>
>Michael
It's a shit shower, basically. Some people have a fetish where they like to be
crapped on or eat crap or smear it on their bodies. It is incredibly dangerous,
not to mention so frigging disgusting I can hardly stand it.
Hester Mofet
You cannot go against nature because when you do go against nature, it's part
of nature,too. -- Love & Rockets "No New Tale to Tell"
Martha
>
> Michael wrote:
>
> >
> >Christi Conley <Wicke...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> >news:7qe4e8$qk0$1...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net...
> >> So, when did you come off the farm ?
> >> Michael <- curious as usual
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Excuse me?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Christi
> >
> >Mis-read your post. Sorry, for some reason I thought you lived on a farm.
> >I don't know where I got the impression. BTW, I'm afraid of the answer but
> >what is a brown shower ?
> >
> >Michael
>
> It's a shit shower, basically. Some people have a fetish where they like to be
> crapped on or eat crap or smear it on their bodies. It is incredibly dangerous,
> not to mention so frigging disgusting I can hardly stand it.
>
If Michael saw the South Park movie, he would know that that's what
Cartman's mother was in, a German "scheiss-something" video. Or if he
read _Gravity's Rainbow_.
Martha
Babyface
>
> >
> >Christi Conley <Wicke...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> >news:7qe4e8$qk0$1...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net...
> >> So, when did you come off the farm ?
> >> Michael <- curious as usual
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Excuse me?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Christi
> >
> >Mis-read your post. Sorry, for some reason I thought you lived on a
farm.
> >I don't know where I got the impression. BTW, I'm afraid of the answer
but
> >what is a brown shower ?
> >
> >Michael
>
>
> It's a shit shower, basically. Some people have a fetish where they like
to be
> crapped on or eat crap or smear it on their bodies. It is incredibly
dangerous,
> not to mention so frigging disgusting I can hardly stand it.
>
>
> You cannot go against nature because when you do go against nature, it's
part
> of nature,too. -- Love & Rockets "No New Tale to Tell"
Oh no, Michael...it *is* what I thought it was. Ewwwwww.
Babyface<---naive and planning on staying that way