New serial killer William Darrell Lindsey, an update
Jen1orbit
Hello,
I'd like to post this to the proper thread, but believe it or not the
AOL news reader has gone screwy again, and that entire thread has just
plain disappeared from my view. So I guess I have no choice but to start a
new thread, so that's what i'm doing.
Here is an update on our 61 year old late blooming serial killer in St.
Augustine, Florida. We get some interesting details on William, including
the fact that he has been married twice, and has 5 children. We also learn
that authorities are looking over additional unsolved murder cases in
other
states and counties, and trying to link William to any of those crimes.
My advice to the overeager police is to stop trying to solve their
unsolvable
cases by laying blame on William. That is what the idiot police did with
Henry Lee Lucas, they fell over themselves trying to solve all their cases
by pinning them
on Henry. Certainly the overall kill count of William's could easily rise,
especially since right now his earliest credited kill did not occur until
he was in
his late 40's. It is entirely possible that he killed dozens of people
during earlier years, but I would advise the dumb police to at the
evidence and to find conclusive
proof of William's guilt before they link him to any of those old unsolved
cases and publicly declare him to be a suspect.
William's nephew also relates a very interesting story about how William
killed
a puppy by beating it with a brick. Cruelty to animals being one of the
hallmarks
of a serial killer, this only serves to confirm the fact that 61 year old
William
could indeed turn out to be quite a prolific serial killer, with more
victims than the
7 with which he will be charged initially.
Take care, Joe
This is from today's Reuters news wire:
ST. AUGUSTINE, Fla., April 5 (Reuter) - Authorities in three states
said on Saturday they were hopeful they would be able to close a number of
murder cases, some decades old, now that William Darrell Lindsey has been
identified as a potential serial killer.
Lindsey, a 61-year-old labourer, was charged in December with
murdering a prostitute in Asheville, North Carolina. In January,
detectives from St. Augustine, Florida, began to interview him about
similar murders in northeast Florida.
St. John's County Sheriff, Neil J. Perry, said Lindsey would be
charged with the murders of seven women between 1983 and 1995. Divers
searched the murky waters of a gravel pit on Friday after Lindsey told
them he had dumped the body of one of his victims there.
On Saturday, law enforcement officials in five other northeastern
Florida counties said they would begin to correlate Lindsey's movements
with murders in their jurisdictions.
Officials in North Carloina and Virginia, where Lindsey has been known
to live, were also looking over old cases.
``Police will be very interested in him because of his age,'' Robert
Meyers, a forensic psychologist and author of several textbooks on
criminal pathology said.
At this point, the earliest murders tied to Lindsey occurred when he
was in his late 40s.
``It would be very unusual for a serial killer to begin his career
that late in life,'' Meyers said. ``Typically -- and this man may prove to
be atypical -- but typically, serial killers begin killing in their early
20s.''
Meyers said on Saturday it is also unusual for a serial killer to be
active into his 60s. ``Most are either dead or in prison by their late 30s
or early 40s,'' he said.
Perry said Lindsey's victims tended to be street women with drug
problems. Some had arrest records for prostitution and most were
bludgeoned to death and left in remote areas.
Making cases against Lindsey could be slow going, warned Bob Porter,
the St. John's County sheriff's official supervising the Lindsey
investigation.
``This wasn't a matter of Lindsey coming forward and telling us he
killed them,'' Porter said, adding that detectives were making little
progress with the suspect until they used a female detective to provoke
his anger against women in general. Then Lindsey became more cooperative
with male detectives.
In one crucial aspect, Lindsey, who grew up in St. Augustine, does not
fit the typical serial-killer profile, officials said. He has been married
twice and raised five children.
One of Lindsey's sons, Bill Jr., described his father as a caring man
who held a succession of odd jobs and struggled to keep his family
together.
But a nephew, Fred Marjenhoff, recalled how Lindsey once dealt with a
sick puppy.
``It was so sick even the vet couldn't help it,'' he said. ``I was
going to shoot it -- put it out of its misery, but Bill insisted on
beating it with a brick. I tried to stop him, but he hit that puppy five
or six times on the head before he finally killed it.''
Marjenhoff said he never wanted to be around Lindsey again after that.
16:53 04-05-97
Jen1orbit
Hello,
Here is an update on William Darrell Lindsey, the new serial killer down
in
Florida who has killed at least seven women since 1983. I guess I should
say "alleged" serial killer, especially since William has not explicitly
confessed to any of the killings. But all the evidence, including details
that
only the killer could have known, which William gave to the police, seems
to
indicate rather strongly that William is indeed a serial killer.
In this detailed update, we learn the names and ages of all seven
victims, plus
we get interesting details on the ongoing police investigation.
This news update is from the online edition of The St. Augustine Record
newspaper. Right now they have 2 photos of William, and photos of ALL
seven of his victims, at the following URL address:
http://staugustine.com/lindsey/lindsey.html
So go ahead and point your browser, if you want to see photos of ALL
seven victims, and 2 photos of William, all on the same page! Just be
aware that this is a newspaper and they change/update their pages on a
regular basis. So if this page is gone when you try to access it, try:
http://staugustine.com This is just the main page of the newspaper,
and from it you should be able to link to any new or updates pages
relating to William.
Take care, JOE
Courtesy of The St. Augustine Record newspaper, online edition:
Lindsay tied with seven local
murders
By MIKE GROGAN
Staff Writer
Construction worker William Darrell Lindsey, already charged with the
murder of a prostitute in Asheville, N.C., will be charged with the deaths
of
seven St. Johns County women -- cases that date back to 1983, Sheriff Neil
Perry said this morning.
Lindsey, 61, who grew up in St. Augustine, has provided ``direct
information,'' in all seven cases, Perry said. He was reluctant to say
that
Lindsey had confessed.
The seven victims and their ages at the time of their deaths or
disappearances, are: Lisa Foley, 24; Anita Stevens, 27; Constance Terrell,
26; Lashawnna Streeter, 27; Donetha Snead, 32; Cheryl Lucas, 31, and
Diana Richardson, 48.
The bodies of Snead and Richardson have never been found, but Perry said
Lindsey has provided information about the location of both. Divers
searched
a borrow pit off Holmes Boulevard Wednesday and Thursday where
Lindsey said Richardson's body was dumped. No remains were found, but
Perry said that search will continue.
He also said Lindsey has indicated that Snead's body was put in a pond in
the southern part of the county and that divers will also search there.
Lindsey was arrested in Asheville on Dec. 27 for the Christmas day
bludgeoning murder of a local prostitute. Perry said that he was sent a
newspaper account of that murder. That led a homicide task force in his
office to look seriously at Lindsey as a possible suspect in the seven St.
Johns County cases, he said.
``As far as I know, his name had never come up in connection with any of
these cases before this,'' Perry said.
Although the sheriff would not identify the seven women as prostitutes, he
did
say that Richardson had an arrest record for solicitation and that the
other six
led ``alternative lifestyles and were involved with drugs.'' He added that
Lindsey met all seven while soliciting sex.
But St. Johns County and Asheville are not the only places looking at
Lindsey. Jack Wise, regional director for the Florida Department of Law
Enforcement, said deaths of women in Putnam and Marion counties fit the
pattern of the cases in St. Johns County. And, Wise added, officials in
Virginia -- where Lindsey had often traveled and worked -- are also
waiting
to question him.
Perry said Lindsey is currently on his way back to North Carolina, but
that
he will ask State Attorney John Tanner to convene a grand jury, possibly
within the next 10 days, in an effort to indict Lindsey on all seven local
murders.
The sheriff also said that the families of all the victims have been
notified
about Lindsey's alleged involvement in the cases and that he would be
charged with the deaths.
``All expressed a sincere feeling of closure,'' Perry said. ``All were
relieved.''
Alleged victims of William Darrell Lindsey
Cheryl
Denise Lucas,
31,
one son, one
daughter
Body found in
Intracostal
Waterway
south of St.
Augustine
Last seen
7/17/95
Diana
Richardson,
48,
one son
Still Missing
Last seen
10/12/95
Donetha
Laverne
Snead, 32
Still Missing
Last seen
4/21/93
Lashawanna
Streeter, 27
Body found in
wooded area
south of St.
Augustine,
across Old
Moultrie Road
from the
Southpark
Office
complex
Last seen
3/1/92
Lisa Foley,24
Body found
10/83 at
borrow pit in
west St. Johns
County
Last Seen
10/14/83
Anita Louise
Stevens, 27,
mother of two
boys
Body found in
borrow pit
south of St.
Augustine off
Fish Island
Road
Last seen
11/29/88
Constance
Marie
Terrell, 26,
one son, one
daughter
Body found in
borrow pit
west of St.
Augustine
Last seen
6/10/89
Jen1orbit
Hello,
Here are some interesting details on William Darrell Lindsey's
childhood. William is the new serial killer in Florida, who has apparently
killed at least seven women, and perhaps quite a few more.
Here we learn about William's shyness as a boy, plus the fact that he
was adopted as an infant, after both his parents were killed in a car
wreck. In this article it's suggested that William's temperment and
mindset took a considerable turn when he learned as a young adult that he
had been adopted. Well, I think that's perfectly understandable. Nobody
likes to be LIED to. And obviously his adoptive parents LIED to him
throughout his childhood and adolescence, concealing the very important
fact that both of his perents were dead, killed in a car wreck when he was
an infant, and that he was adopted.
Truth is very important. Yet this society is built upon a foundation of
lies. Lies permeate every aspect of this pathetic culture. And yet a few
people still believe in the value and importance of the truth. Perhaps
William was one of these people. Perhaps William tried to fit in, tried to
go with the flow, thinking that nobody would ever deliberately hurt him or
deliberately conceal such an important thing from him. But conceal they
did, and I can envision William being VERY angry upon learning the truth
of his adoption and his parents deaths as a young adult of maybe 22 or 24
years of age.
Angry enough to embark on a serial killing career?? Who knows? Many
other incidents of abuse and betrayal could be involved in the development
of the mindset necessary to decide to serially kill human beings. This
article only discusses the facts of his adoption, and that he was a shy
and timid boy. I will keep looking for new details, and will post them if
I feel they are significant.
Take care, JOE
This article is from the April 5 online edition of The St. Augustine
Record newspaper:
Neighbors remember a shy boy
April 5, 1997
By DIANE RODGERS
Assignment Editor
William Lindsey, known to his childhood friends as ``Billy,'' was a shy
child, according to those who
grew up with him on Sylvan Drive in north St. Augustine.
``We grew up next door to each other,'' Donald Heymen said. ``He was kind
of quiet. He stayed to
himself most of the time.''
Heymen said they lived next door to each other since they were both about
6 until their late teens
and early 20s.
Lindsey had one older brother, James Ray; and two younger sisters, Sue
Alice and Verna.
Lindsey, Heymen and the other neighborhood boys, including City Manager
Joe Pomar, played
baseball together.
``We all played together,'' Heymen said.
Lindsey was adopted when he was an infant, according to police records,
after his parents were
killed in a car wreck.
Lindsey attended Fullerwood Elementary, Orange Street and Ketterlinus High
schools. As a teen, he
worked as a busboy in a restaurant on Anastasia Island, he said.
Even in his teens, Lindsey was shy, Heymen said.
``He was the timidness boy in the neighborhood. He never started any
trouble,'' he said.
And, although police said Lindsey had trouble with women, Heymen said he
knew one of the
women Lindsey dated and he treated her well.
Margaret Gibson recalled having met Lindsey in the late 1950s through the
Order of Rainbow Girls.
``He was always real nice and attentive,'' she said. ``He seemed to be
quiet.''
Gibson said she did not know Lindsey through school but that she believed
the adviser to Rainbow,
Mary B. Johnson, invited him to Rainbow's formal events to serve as an
escort for the members.
Another Sylvan Drive neighbor recalled Lindsey as a young adult.
Lindsey worked for the neighbor, who did not want his name published, for
awhile but then left town
owing several people money, he said.
He said that Lindsey was a good child, but changed when he learned as a
young adult that he was
adopted.
``He changed completely to the world's worst,'' he said. ``He was just one
of those inconsiderate
types.''
The sister of Lindsey's deceased wife painted a similar picture of the
suspect.
``He's a mean man,'' Agnes Marjenhoff, whose sister was married to Lindsey
until her death in
1992, told The Palatka Daily News. ``He kept me from my sister when she
was on her death bed. It
broke my heart.''
Lindsey's 88-year-old mother, still living in St. Augustine, declined to
comment.
Senior Writer Margo Pope contributed to this report.
gmsp...@aol.com
> Angry enough to embark on a serial killing career?? Who knows? Many
>other incidents of abuse and betrayal could be involved in the development
>of the mindset necessary to decide to serially kill human beings. This
>article only discusses the facts of his adoption, and that he was a shy
>and timid boy. I will keep looking for new details, and will post them if
>I feel they are significant.
Hi Joe,
One question I have always asked and never gotten an
answer is, if somebody does you wrong in your eyes, why
don't you (I am speaking editorially here, not about you
personally) go take care of that person or persons. What's
the point of killing a bunch of innocent people? Personally,
if I want someone dead I want to do it myself and I want
to look in their eyes so they will know who did it and why.
Or is that just me??
Peace thru superior firepower,
Grandmother Spider
Jen1orbit
jen1...@aol.com (Jen1orbit) writes:
> Angry enough to embark on a serial killing career?? Who knows? Many
>other incidents of abuse and betrayal could be involved in the
development
>of the mindset necessary to decide to serially kill human beings. This
>article only discusses the facts of his adoption, and that he was a shy
>and timid boy. I will keep looking for new details, and will post them if
>I feel they are significant.
gmsp...@aol.com Wrote:
>>Hi Joe,
>>One question I have always asked and never gotten an
>>answer is, if somebody does you wrong in your eyes, why
>>don't you (I am speaking editorially here, not about you
>>personally) go take care of that person or persons.
Hello Grandmother,
I think that the most sensible thing to do is for a victim of abuse to
target his own individual abusers. That is the most sensible and logical
thing to do, but there are MANY fine and justifiable and legitimate
reasons for the victim to target other people, and complete strangers.
Society has an OBLIGATION to do what society can to PREVENT helpless and
vulnerable children from being abused. Society FORFEITS it's obligation in
this regard. Thus all human beings become valid targets for the
justifiable rage that exists within the abused person, IMO. The killer
only needs to justify whom he kills, to himself, and to his own true
reality.
>> What's
>>the point of killing a bunch of innocent people?
There is no "point" to killing anyone. Killing is a destructive act. It
destroys the victim, and if captured, it destroys the killer. There is
nothing positive about it. But that does not mean it is unjustifiable or
wrong. It is a reflection of what that killer experiences from your
society, during the course of his life. It is a tragedy that he feels
compelled to kill. And a tragedy that he does kill. But his own actions
can be, and very often are, perfectly justifiable and accurate and
legitimate, based upon his own true life reality.
>>Personally,
>>if I want someone dead I want to do it myself and I want
>>to look in their eyes so they will know who did it and why.
>>Or is that just me??
We are all unique individuals, and we all have our own needs and urges
and desires in all matters of life. We act as our reality dictates.
Certainly your own method of wanting to kill (hypothetically speaking, of
course), is very sensible and logical, and a majority of killers DO indeed
go after people that they have a personal grudge against.
>>Peace thru superior firepower,
>>Grandmother Spider
How about an AR-15 rifle with a 120 round drum magazine attached?
Superior enough for ya, Grandma? :) ;)
Take care, JOE
gmsp...@aol.com
In article <19970410225...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, jen1...@aol.com (Jen1orbit) writes:
>How about an AR-15 rifle with a 120 round drum magazine attached?
>Superior enough for ya, Grandma? :) ;)
>
> Take care, JOE
That should do for now. Though, I would kinda like
one of those big, bad tanks so I could run over
some of these crazy drivers. I'll start with the
little old ladies, peering through the steering
wheels of their Caddies, puttering down the interstate
at 30 miles an hour. How's that for vengeance on society?
Now is that true crime or what?
Peace,
Grandma Spider
jill...@aol.com
gmsp...@aol.com wrote:
>Though, I would kinda like
>one of those big, bad tanks so I could run over
>some of these crazy drivers.
Me, too! Every time I see something in traffic and I'm convinced
that now I *have* seen it all, someone does something even more
stupid. And the fools who don't have the sense to put their
children in car seats. Don't get me started. Just bring me the
tank. Yes, Grandma Spider, this is true crime!
Jill
