Girl May Have Arranged Classmate's Gang Rape
Poe
Story is a little confusing to me wrt who did what, when, crossing the
line into rape.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576498,00.html?test=latestnews
Girl May Have Arranged Classmate's Gang Rape
Tuesday, November 24, 2009
MONROEVILLE, Ala. � A 14-year-old Alabama girl might have helped
arrange the gang rape of her ninth-grade classmate and could face
charges as an accomplice based on her comments in a televised interview,
a district attorney said.
The girl told reporters last week that she and her 14-year-old classmate
had planned to have sex with the suspects who have been charged with
rape. The girl under investigation is dating one of the three suspects
who are 16, 17 and 20 years old.
"The victim told police that the attack did begin as consensual
contact," Monroe County District Attorney Tommy Chapman told the
Press-Register of Mobile for a Monday story. "But when all three
suspects began to join in, she told them no repeatedly, but they did not
stop."
Authorities said the girl required surgery after the Nov. 16 attack and
was in intensive care for three days.
"I am exceedingly angry, and you can quote me on that," Chapman said.
Calls to Chapman's office by The Associated Press Monday were not
immediately returned.
Police took the girl who may be charged into custody on Chapman's orders
Friday and she was later released.
Investigators said the fellow ninth-graders left Monroe County High
School with Steven Scott, 20, DeShon Riley, 16, and Justin Williams, 17,
before the start of classes the day of the attack.
Investigators said that the three took turns assaulting one of the girls
at a home. The other girl claimed that they attempted to rape her, but
that no intercourse occurred. A medical examination indicated that the
girl had sex.
The men then took the classmates back to school where the injured girl
sat in bloody clothes for hours until school officials called police,
investigators said.
Monroeville Police Chief Rudolph Munnerlyn said that interviews with the
girls were continuing in what he called a "shocking crime" in the town
about halfway between Mobile and Montgomery. Calls by AP to police were
not returned.
The three suspects were jailed last week and charged with felony rape.
Bail was set at $500,000. A jail employee would not say if they were
still jailed Monday and it was unknown if any had lawyers.
Michael Snyder
that begin as consensual. Calling them rape just doesn't sit right
with me. Feminists, feel free to attack.
elizabeth
> Story is a little confusing to me wrt who did what, when, crossing the
> line into rape.
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576498,00.html?test=latestnews
>
> Girl May Have Arranged Classmate's Gang Rape
> Tuesday, November 24, 2009
>
Sat in bloody clothes for hours at a school??????????????????????
elizabeth
> I think that there should be a separate category for encounters
> that begin as consensual. Calling them rape just doesn't sit right
> with me. Feminists, feel free to attack.
>
>
>
> Poe wrote:
>
> > Story is a little confusing to me wrt who did what, when, crossing the
> > line into rape.
>
> >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576498,00.html?test=latestnews
>
> > Girl May Have Arranged Classmate's Gang Rape
> > Tuesday, November 24, 2009
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
When she says no, when she says stop, and you don't, it's rape.
Sorry if you don't like the way the laws are.
Hell Toupee
> I think that there should be a separate category for encounters
> that begin as consensual. Calling them rape just doesn't sit right
> with me. Feminists, feel free to attack.
Here's an imaginary comparable scenario starring you, Michael. You and
some girl you know meet for a drink. She convinces you to go someplace
private with her. You and she begin to have consensual sex. And then
three guys she knows show up to take their turns with you. You say no.
But hey, you already said yes to her. And she now wants to share you
with her buddies.
Afterwards, as you recover in the hospital after having reconstructive
surgery to repair the injuries, just remember that in your worldview,
you consented to all of it once you consented to doing anything with her.
Poppy
> I think that there should be a separate category for encounters
> that begin as consensual. Calling them rape just doesn't sit right
> with me. Feminists, feel free to attack.
>
>
>
> Poe wrote:
>
> > Story is a little confusing to me wrt who did what, when, crossing the
> > line into rape.
>
> >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576498,00.html?test=latestnews
>
> > Girl May Have Arranged Classmate's Gang Rape
> > Tuesday, November 24, 2009
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
That would be too grey. There would be nothing but he said she said.
Poe
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:17:48 -0500, Poe <hau...@terrible-thought.com>
> wrote:
>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576498,00.html?test=latestnews
>
> Well this is from Fox, don't expect accuracy or reliable information in any
> item they publish or broadcast.
It's an AP article. I just posted the fox link because the tweet come to
me sooner, and when it comes to crime rather than politics, it doesn't
matter IMO (the beef with fox from what I know has to do with their
political slant, not basic crime stories).
Marianna
> > I think that there should be a separate category for encounters
> > that begin as consensual. Calling them rape just doesn't sit right
> > with me. Feminists, feel free to attack.
HellT wrote:
> Here's an imaginary comparable scenario starring you, Michael. You and
> some girl you know meet for a drink. She convinces you to go someplace
> private with her. You and she begin to have consensual sex. And then
> three guys she knows show up to take their turns with you. You say no.
> But hey, you already said yes to her. And she now wants to share you
> with her buddies.
>
> Afterwards, as you recover in the hospital after having reconstructive
> surgery to repair the injuries, just remember that in your worldview,
> you consented to all of it once you consented to doing anything with her.
I think I love you, Hell Toupee.
Marianna
Michael Snyder
> On Nov 24, 10:25 am, Michael Snyder <msny...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> When she says no, when she says stop, and you don't, it's rape.
Permit me to disagree -- and if you don't -- Fuck you.
If she has said yes until
past the point of penetration, if she then says no, for sure the
guy should stop. But if he doesn't, or if he takes more than a
few seconds to do so, it's something else. It's no longer rape.
> Sorry if you don't like the way the laws are.
Sorry if you think laws can't be changed.
Michael Snyder
> Michael Snyder wrote:
>> I think that there should be a separate category for encounters
>> that begin as consensual. Calling them rape just doesn't sit right
>> with me. Feminists, feel free to attack.
>
> Here's an imaginary comparable scenario starring you, Michael. You and
> some girl you know meet for a drink. She convinces you to go someplace
> private with her. You and she begin to have consensual sex. And then
> three guys she knows show up to take their turns with you.
Stop. I didn't say yes to that. In the starting scenario, the
two girls had planned to have sex with ALL of the men. So your
scenario is not comparable.
> You say no.
> But hey, you already said yes to her. And she now wants to share you
> with her buddies.
Sorry, that's rape, and it is not the situation I stipulated.
Michael Snyder
I think you love rape fantasies, Mariana.
Michael Snyder
> On Nov 24, 1:25 pm, Michael Snyder <msny...@sonic.net> wrote:
>> I think that there should be a separate category for encounters
>> that begin as consensual. Calling them rape just doesn't sit right
>> with me. Feminists, feel free to attack.
>>
In that case, isn't it too grey to simply go with "she said",
and ignore "he said"? What you're saying is that in order to
avoid ambiguity, we should simply ignore one viewpoint and go
with the other.
Kris Baker
"Hell Toupee" <w...@menull.com> wrote in message
news:hehcmh$ahd$1...@aioe.org...
Brava!
And the same for the Richmond case, too.
Kris
Only in Michael's world are all women considered "feminists"
M
> Story is a little confusing to me wrt who did what, when, crossing the
> line into rape.
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576498,00.html?test=latestnews
>
> Girl May Have Arranged Classmate's Gang Rape
> Tuesday, November 24, 2009
>
Again, hard to tell what really happened.
Did the girl really say "no"? Or was that something she reported
after she actually had to go to the hospital? That pattern, BTW, is
not untypical in false rape cases - the women would face trouble of
some sort if she did NOT report it as rape. That is what happened in
the Duke case, for example (which is WAY different from this one, in
many respects, I know.). It's what happened in about half the fase
rport cases Michael has be posting recently - often the "trouble" is
only with a boyfriend, this girl would face more serious trouble -
although nothing liek the boys face.
Does the 2nd girl corroborate her story? Do all the guys? Any of the
guys?
Are there beyond reasonablre discrepancies in the stories?
Does she report that all three of the guys persisted after she said
"no"?
The other girl claimed not to have intercourse at all, the rape kit
says she did. With any of the 3 guys? With ALL of the 3 guys? Did
the hospital and LE get proper consent - i.e. without any coercion -
before they took a rape kit?
The 20 year old, of course, is in serious trouble no matter what the
answer to any of these questions are. How about the 17 year old? The
16 year-old?
According to Wiki, even with consent, the 20 year-old could be
charged with sexual abuse and the 17 y.o. with rape in the second
degree (which doesn't make sense to me, but maybe "sexual abuse" is a
more serious crime than "rape," in Alabama. I suspect a typo.)
Again, according to Wiki, The 16 year old, even with consent, could
be charged with rape in the 2nd degree if he is more than 2 years
older than the girl. The case could depend on "When's your birthday?"
So, regardless of the consent question, at least two guys are in
serious trouble.
For the question of saying "no" in the midst of it, that would only
apply to one of the boys at most. Unless it has the bizarre pattern
of "yes. no. yes. no." Or if two guys started at her at once, which
is a whole flock of more serious crimes.
Although the law is specific, I imagine a jury might use its sense in
certain cases If the testimony was "I waited until he was breatthing
really, really heavy and then suddenly said 'no'"? I'm guessing most
juries would either acquit or become hung juries.
Mick
realpch
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M
BTW, a google search leads to the information that Harper Lee (and
Truman Capote) lived in Monroeville, which is the model for the town
in "To Kill a Mockingbird."
Kris Baker
"comadrejo" <comadr...@mac.com> wrote in message
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>
> Mikey, time for an annual check up and overhaul. You are full of
> slime.
....and he'll keep sliming, as long as people take the bait.
Kris
Michael Snyder
I said I'd be a target for this one, and here they come...
Michael Snyder
> Kris
> Only in Michael's world are all women considered "feminists"
Lie. Kris has just placed herself in the same category
as Tiny, falsely attributing unsupportable positions to me.
For the record, not all feminists are women, not all women
are feminists, and Kris Baker is a liar.
Michael Snyder
Man, you are thorough! ;-)
M
> Kris Baker wrote:
>
> > "comadrejo" <comadrejoa...@mac.com> wrote in message
> >news:comadrejoagua-9C5...@news.giganews.com...
>
> >> Mikey, time for an annual check up and overhaul. You are full of
> >> slime.
>
> > ....and he'll keep sliming, as long as people take the bait.
>
> I said I'd be a target for this one, and here they come...
Michael - you often have excellent points.
They could be compelling but you more often than not provide an easy
out for those taht don't want to hear you. By making silly
accusations, putting words into posters mouths, making silly
strawment, doing personal insults, baseless speculations and a variety
of other other really silly tactics. You scream a lot - justifiably
perhaps -when other people use those same tactics. You make it
difficult for even those sympathetic to your viewpoint to agree with
you.
Mick
Michael Snyder
Mick, you have told me essentially the same thing on at least
three separate occasions. Can we assume that I have heard you,
do not choose to agree with you, and move on?
Or are you going to feel compelled to repeat this again and again?
M
You are right, and it's probably been much more than three
occasions.
So when you say you disagree with me - are you saying that your points
are NOT worth making? I'm guessing that isn't the source of
disagreement.
Do you think there is some value in becoming hyperagreesive and
letting folks dismiss you just for that? What value?
I mean, when relatively reasonable folks like Comadrejoa, who I
disagree a lot with, start telling you to get a check up - instead of
addressing your ideas - do you believe you are being effective,
somehow? If you do, then how?
Mick
jerry warner
to commit a crime it still is a crime? If a Martian comes
to Earth he/she/it is not a Earthian!
Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Greg Goss
>I think that there should be a separate category for encounters
>that begin as consensual. Calling them rape just doesn't sit right
>with me. Feminists, feel free to attack.
OK, two counts of rape and one count of whatever word you come up
with. This is the wrong crime to raise that point about.
--
Tomorrow is today already.
Greg Goss, 1989-01-27
M
TV station staff suspended over billboard fail
http://www.palmettoscoop.com/2009/11/26/tv-station-staff-suspended-over-billboard-fail/
ELECTRONIC BILLBOARD FEATURED 3 ANCHORS, UNFORTUNATE HEADLINE
A pair of executives at an Alabama television station have been
suspended after what can only be described as an “epic billboard fail”
by in Mobile, Ala. television station WPMI.
The electronic billboard had a photo of three anchors pictured next to
the unintentionally embarrassing headline read “3 Accused of Gang Rape
in Monroeville.” The headline was in the “right now on Twitter”
section, which featured the latest update from the station’s account
on the microblogging website.
The story was first reported on last week by The Palmetto Scoop after
a reader emailed the image.
Rob Holbert of the website Lagniappe wrote Thursday that WPMI general
manager Shea Grandquest and news director Wes Finley have now been
suspended for a week because of the incident.
Holbert said “WPMI insiders” confirmed the rumor, which “has been a
swirling for the past day.”
“According to several media-watching sites, Grandquest and Finley were
suspended without pay, but Lagniappe has been unable to verify that,”
Holbert wrote. “The station’s corporate headquarters for Newport
Television did not have any comment, as Vice President Charlie
Henrick, who handles WPMI, was out of the office until Monday and the
person answering the phone could not find his cell phone number to
reach him for a possible interview.”
Of course, that may be a bit over the top for something that was
obviously a complete accident.
M
reported, I get the impression that the DA, Tommy Chapman, is trying
to intimidate a witness because he doesn't like what she is saying.
http://blog.al.com/live/2009/11/teen-age_girl_could_face_charg.html
Tables turn in gang rape case: Now teen girl could face charges as
accomplice
By Connie Baggett
November 20, 2009, 1:00PM
The 14-year-old girl police say may have helped arrange a gang rape of
her classmate could be charged as an accomplice following a televised
interview, according to the prosecutor.
"I am exceedingly angry, and you can quote me on that," District
Attorney Tommy Chapman said today. "I have ordered police to take her
into custody today and she could face charges as an accomplice."
The teenage girl told reporters on Thursday in a televised interview
that she and her friend were aware that they were going to have sex
with the suspects, and that it was consensual.
"That is one cold thing to say," Chapman said today. "The victim told
police that the attack did begin as consensual contact, but became a
violent attack when she refused the three suspects and resulted in
internal injuries that required surgery."
Monroeville Police Chief Rudolph Munnerlyn said police interviews with
the girls were continuing today.
[more at the site that has already been posted]
M
> here's an article. Nothing new, really, except the way it is
> reported, I get the impression that the DA, Tommy Chapman, is trying
> to intimidate a witness because he doesn't like what she is saying.
>
> http://blog.al.com/live/2009/11/teen-age_girl_could_face_charg.html
>
> Tables turn in gang rape case: Now teen girl could face charges as
> accomplice
>
> By Connie Baggett
> November 20, 2009, 1:00PM
>
> The 14-year-old girl police say may have helped arrange a gang rape of
> her classmate could be charged as an accomplice following a televised
> interview, according to the prosecutor.
>
> "I am exceedingly angry, and you can quote me on that," District
> Attorney Tommy Chapman said today. "I have ordered police to take her
> into custody today and she could face charges as an accomplice."
>
> The teenage girl told reporters on Thursday in a televised interview
> that she and her friend were aware that they were going to have sex
> with the suspects, and that it was consensual.
>
> "That is one cold thing to say," Chapman said today. "The victim told
> police that the attack did begin as consensual contact, but became a
> violent attack when she refused the three suspects and resulted in
> internal injuries that required surgery."
This Tommy Chapman dude is smelling just a touch "funny" to me. When
the arranging girl says they both knew what they were getting into, he
threatens to press charges. When she claims the other girl thought
they were going to listen to music, he says no charges against her
will be pressed. Shouldn't it be the other way around?
I guessing the girls both knew what was going to happen and only
reported it because the one girl was bleeding and a teacher sent her
to the hospital. Note: this still leaves at least two of the guys
with felony charges, albeit, less severe ones.
Breaking News:
Monroe County gang rape suspects indicted on rape and sodomy charges
http://blog.al.com/live/2009/12/monroe_county_gang_rape_suspec.html
MONROEVILLE, Ala. -- A Monroe County grand jury on Monday indicted
three young men on multiple counts of rape and sodomy in connection
with a sexual assault against two 14-year-old girls last month.
One of the girls helped arrange the encounter that turned into a
horrific attack, according to District Attorney Tommy Chapman, but he
said that no charges would be filed against her. One of the three
young men was her boyfriend.
"I think she is a victim here, too," Chapman said Monday, hours after
the grand jury returned indictments. "She knew they were meeting the
suspects for sex, but I don't think she realized there would be a gang
attack on her friend. She is very remorseful at this point. Her friend
thought they were just going to listen to music."
The other girl was hospitalized for three days and underwent surgery
as a result of her injuries.
Both girls were students at Monroe County High, according to police,
but none of the young men attended any school.
Chapman said that Steven Scott, 20, of North Semmes, and DeShon Riley,
16, and Justin Williams, 17, both of Monroeville, were indicted on two
counts each of forcible rape and sodomy in connection with the attack
on the injured girl.
Also, Scott and Williams were indicted on statutory rape and sodomy
counts in connection with the girl who arranged the meeting.
Investigators said the rapes occurred Nov. 16 after the ninth-grade
girls left the school campus with the suspects.
The girls returned to school and the injured girl sat in bloody
clothing before a teacher called police.