OT? Nudity haven annoys neighbors
Teresa/Colorado
Deputy John Appelmann hiked into the canyon on July 4 to see for himself. He
saw nude bathers below a high cliff outcropping, but he was unable to
contact them, he said.
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Yeah, right~! (whispering) "hey, you down there"
Teresa
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Nudity haven annoys neighbors
By Pam Regensberg
Camera Staff Writer
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Dream Canyon has become a nightmare for some Sugarloaf Mountain residents.
Nude sunbathers, exhibitionists and people into outdoor sex have flocked to
the secluded, high-walled canyon, upsetting residents.
Twice in a three-week period this summer, residents reported seeing men
having sex in the Roosevelt National Forest canyon.
Anders Skilbred, who lives on Sugarloaf Mountain, told a deputy last month
he saw a man masturbating just off the trail. Other residents have reported
seeing naked hikers and skinny-dippers.
"Most people I know who live on Sugarloaf don't go there anymore," Skilbred
said. "We can't enjoy the national forest, which is my back yard."
The canyon's sheer rock face is a destination for rock climbers and anglers.
It is also a hot topic in Internet chat rooms and is noted as a must-see
locale on a Web site geared toward gay men.
Sugarloaf residents, angered by the lawbreakers, said the nudity and sexual
activity discourages them from using the area for legal recreation. They are
pushing for stepped-up patrols by U.S. Forest Service rangers and Boulder
County sheriff's deputies. Better yet, they'd like people to keep their
clothes on while in the canyon, they said.
Skilbred said he already gave up hiking and swimming in Dream Canyon on
weekends to avoid the exposure. But the problem has spilled over into
weekdays.
Bob Ruston, a longtime Sugarloaf resident, said he became so fed up with the
ongoing public indecency that he broached the subject at the annual
Sugarloaf Community Inc. meeting earlier this month.
Based on Ruston's complaint, Deputy John Appelmann hiked into the canyon on
July 4 to see for himself. He saw nude bathers below a high cliff
outcropping, but he was unable to contact them, he said.
At the community meeting, "several people did cite specific examples in the
past in which they have encountered people on the trail who were hiking
completely naked," Appelmann noted.
He told residents the sheriff's office would keep the case open, making it
easier for people to call in complaints. But he warned that the sheriff's
office is handcuffed in terms of manpower.
The U.S. Forest Service, which manages the public land, has one officer to
patrol the 245,000-acre district. That's an impossible task for one man,
said Bob Nykamp, visitor information specialist for the Forest Service's
Boulder Ranger District.
"That's why we've gone to a cooperative agreement with the sheriff's
department," he said.
Down a steep, knee-wrenching slope, raspberry bushes, trees and boulders
line the ungroomed trail from a small parking lot to North Boulder Creek.
The path peters out at the water's edge, but resumes intermittently along
the rushing river.
Several man-made pools have been formed in the river, usually in the shadows
of large boulders.
Residents call Dream Canyon the "most beautiful place in Boulder County."
They'd like to enjoy it again, they said.
"It's a situation we do not want to continue," said Dawn Kummli, the
resident Sugarloaf historian who has lived on the mountain for 28 years.
Kummli said she hasn't been into the canyon in the last five years and has
not witnessed anything illegal.
She said that about 13 years ago, people were igniting large bonfires by the
rim of the canyon. Residents urged the Forest Service to put up signs
banning open fires. It worked, she said.
She suggested additional signs but said the Forest Service would have to
authorize it.
"I've seen naked sunbathers lying on their stomachs," 36-year-old Scott
VanHuesen of Denver said Tuesday afternoon. "I haven't seen anything lurid
or obscene."
VanHuesen and his friend Aubrey Baker, 25, said they drove up from the city
to enjoy the creek. The barefoot men took a break from hiking to form a
small pool with river rocks.
"We're here just eating raspberries and playing in the water," VanHuesen
said.
He said he, too, would rather not see bare bodies while hiking but
questioned whether the residents want to limit sexual activity in the canyon
or the numbers of visitors.
Contact Pam Regensberg at (303) 473-1329 or regen...@thedailycamera.com.
July 14, 2000
IntDCPH37
small areas in each state for the many naturists who enjoy sunbathing, swimming
and hiking nude. Use 99.75% of the parkland for mainstream use and set aside
.25%, clearly marked warning people of nudist usage, for the not insignificant
number of people who enjoy being out in the sun in the buff. But that would
be way too rational and make way too much sense...
Lady Taker
>small areas in each state for the many naturists who enjoy sunbathing,
>swimming
>and hiking nude.
I think that when you start "setting aside a few small areas in each state" for
small factions of people who live outside what is considered "normal" then you
are going to open up a huge can of worms that is only going to lead to trouble.
(And no open acreage left anywhere.)
Volfie -> I like the color orange (that makes me a vast minority) -- I want a
few small acres to wear orange, eat orange, live orange, please.
Teresa/Colorado
"IntDCPH37" wrote:
> Of course, this problem could easily be taken care of by setting aside a
few
> small areas in each state for the many naturists who enjoy sunbathing,
swimming
aside
> .25%, clearly marked warning people of nudist usage, for the not
insignificant
> number of people who enjoy being out in the sun in the buff. But that
would
> be way too rational and make way too much sense...
We already have a nudist 'camp' close by.
So, that doesn't seem to be a solution.
Here's the article.
Teresa
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Nudists weary of cover-up
By Trent Seibert
Denver Post Staff Writer
July 16, 2000 - The folks at the Mountain Air Ranch family nudist resort
must Rocky Mountain hide to get their Rocky Mountain high.
They are afraid to let co-workers and family members know the naked truth:
Every weekend, or during long lunch breaks from work, they travel to the
mountain resort 20 miles southwest of Denver to shed their clothes with
dozens of their closest friends.
"It's beautiful up there," said Mountain Air Ranch member Robert T. Page.
"Part of the relaxation is the sereneness of nature and immediately knowing
you have friends around." The 58-year-old is one of the handful of Mountain
Air members who is public about his nude lifestyle at the camp, which is
celebrating its 65th anniversary.
Most of the camp's 455 members fear they may lose their jobs or their
reputations might suffer if people knew who they were. "It wasn't all that
long ago when there were examples of real problems with job discrimination,"
said Page, a Denver attorney who trades in his pinstripe suit and power tie
each weekend to don an all-over coat of sunscreen.
As they lounged poolside at the camp recently, three Mountain Air Ranch
nudists lamented their need to keep their naked lives covered from the
people who live in what they call "the textile world."
They included a widow whose tan matched almost exactly her gold jewelry,
which were the only items she wore; a businesswoman and former volunteer
firefighter, who kept her oval, mirrored sunglasses on as she took
everything else off; and a Qwest employee, proud that his only tan line was
the one created by his wedding ring.
There is still too much of a stigma attached to nudism, they said.
"Nudity is associated with sex,"
said the businesswoman, lighting a cigarette. "This is so far from a sexual
environment. Any type of overt sexual behavior is prohibited.
"We've got kids here.''
The emphasis at the Mountain Air Ranch is on families, explained campers.
That's what the entire movement is about, according to national leaders in
nude recreation.
The Mountain Air Ranch is the second-oldest nude family resort in the United
States and one of 238 nude recreation clubs across North America. Today,
each is kicking off the 25th annual National Nude Recreation Week, a
national effort to get first-timers to the nude campgrounds.
The American Association for Nude Recreation claims 50,000 members, a 76
percent increase over the past decade.
"It has grown tremendously, and we attribute that to making people more
aware," said Caroline Hawkins, spokeswoman for the Kissimmee, Fla.based
association.
Champions of nudism are buoyed by a recent report from the Roper
Organization, a national public opinion firm, that found 40 million
Americans have skinny-dipped in mixed company. Those are prime candidates
for the nudism lifestyle, Hawkins said.
In addition, travel agents have reported an increased demand for nude
cruises, according to association officials.
The attraction to nude clubs is not what you think, Hawkins said. People
don't show up to nude resorts to watch naked people. They are there to
escape the prejudices of the outside world, since it's impossible to be
judged at the clubs by your clothing or style, she explained.
"There are all walks of life at these resorts," Hawkins said. "You don't
know if they are blue collar or white collar if they are not wearing a
collar." Still, nudism is not popular enough for many to go public with
their weekend activities.
"Naturally, nude recreation is not for everyone, just like tennis is not for
everyone or bowling is not for everyone," Hawkins said. "Certainly golfing
is not for me.
"Sometimes, it's not something you talk about."
Despite the stigma, the Mountain Air Ranch has survived 65 years. The only
camp older is the Pine Tree Associates in Maryland.
Mountain Air Ranch was founded after nudists John and Alice Garrison and 24
friends were arrested Feb. 19, 1935, after police found the group nude in
the Garrisons' home.
To avoid the eyes of the police and public officials, the Garrisons bought
160 acres of land where the Mountain Air Ranch now sits.
The campground has not always been successful at avoiding publicity.
In 1955, the resort hosted a controversial nude wedding that featured the
famous spike-heeled stripper Evelyn "Treasure Chest" West as the maid of
honor.
Reporters and photographers flew in from as far as New York to report on the
wellknown West, who took the "Treasure Chest"
moniker after her breasts were insured by Lloyd's of London for $50,000.
And in 1977, Jefferson County officials cracked down on numerous zoning
violations at the campground after inspections showed trailers in disrepair
that had been on the ranch's grounds for years.
Mountain Air Ranch leaders fought the county on the charges, and the case
made it to the Colorado Supreme Court.
The judges ultimately ordered the camp to remove the trailers.
But the camp has been quiet since. And what's more, despite the private
aspect of the resort, its members make a public effort to keep the peace
with public officials.
For example, ranch members clean the road that leads to the campground. They
also annually hold fund-raisers for battered women's shelters and the local
fire-and-rescue team.
"We are good neighbors," the businesswoman said. Jefferson County officials
agree.
"I've been here for 21 years and I count on one hand the times we've had to
go up there and I'd still have fingers left over," Jefferson County
spokesman Steve Davis said.
"It's extremely quiet. We've responded to churches more often then we've
responded up there."
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Reporter seeks naked truth
By Trent Seibert
Denver Post Staff Writer
July 16, 2000 - Shelly and I spent Saturday together completely nude.
No, it's not what you think.
We were with 120 others, who were also as naked as the day they were born.
No, it's really not what you think.
I signed up for the Mountain Air Ranch family nudist resort's program for
first-timers to the nudist lifestyle.
And after taking a tour of the resort nestled in the pine tree-covered
mountains off U.S. 285, and armed with SPF 50 sunscreen for the parts of my
body that have never seen sunlight, I became a first-time nudist.
I took a seat by the resort's pool. Surrounded by scores of naked club
members of all ages and shapes, I slipped off my tan shorts, blue
button-down shirt and green boxers.
What was left was just skin, tan only from the neck up and pale from the
neck down, looking like the No. 2 pencil I used to take standardized tests
in elementary school.
And even though everyone was naked, and even though no one was looking at
me, I felt, well, out of place.
Until I met Shelly.
Shelly Heath is a 34-year-old from Wheat Ridge who became a nudist for the
first time last year.
She knows what it's like to feel uncomfortable in public. At 22 she suffered
a stroke from a brain hemorrhage and has spent years learning how to walk
and write again. She still has trouble controlling the left side of her
body.
Shelly comes to the Mountain Air Ranch because it's one of the few places
she's felt no prejudices.
"I feel relaxed here," she said. "People feel better, here. They aren't
judged."
So I decided to confide in her.
I asked, When do you stop feeling self-conscious?
"I felt fine within a half-hour," she said.
When do you stop staring, I inquired, gazing around the crowded pool, seeing
body parts that usually take me three dinners and a healthy dose of begging
to see.
Shelly laughed. "That goes on for a couple of days," she said.
When will I feel comfortable enough to stop sucking in my stomach and
pushing out my chest?
"Geez, stop it," she said and laughed again. "It's OK to be what you are."
That's the whole point of the Mountain Air Ranch, she explained: everyone
accepting who they are.
And everyone seemed to. Lounging by the pool was a man shaped like a baked
potato, and with a deep tan that gave him that color, too. People with
varicose veins and surgery scars, piercings and tattoos, all milled about.
"I am who I am," Shelly said.
Shelly ended up being right; I would soon feel comfortable nude. I noticed
it when I put my clothes back on to leave. I felt weird that I was the only
one dressed.
She was right about the staring, too.
That didn't stop until I got into my car and started driving away from the
mountain resort.
Maggie
>a few
>>small areas in each state for the many naturists who enjoy sunbathing,
>>swimming
>>and hiking nude.
>
>I think that when you start "setting aside a few small areas in each state"
>for
>small factions of people who live outside what is considered "normal" then
>you
>are going to open up a huge can of worms that is only going to lead to
trouble.
> (And no open acreage left anywhere.)
>
>Volfie -> I like the color orange (that makes me a vast minority) -- I want
>a
>few small acres to wear orange, eat orange, live orange, please.
***Damn, Volfie. I think I'm falling in love.
Maggie
"A long dispute means that both parties are wrong." Voltaire
George Byrd
on "Re: OT? Nudity haven annoys neighbors"
vol...@aol.comBV21 (Lady Taker) wrote:
>>Of course, this problem could easily be taken care of by setting aside a few
>>small areas in each state for the many naturists who enjoy sunbathing,
>>swimming and hiking nude.
>
>I think that when you start "setting aside a few small areas in each state" for
>small factions of people who live outside what is considered "normal" then you
>are going to open up a huge can of worms that is only going to lead to trouble.
> (And no open acreage left anywhere.)
>
>Volfie -> I like the color orange (that makes me a vast minority) -- I want a
>few small acres to wear orange, eat orange, live orange, please.
Most counties in CA have several acres set aside for people who wear
orange. They don't let 'em out when they're wearing it either.
GB
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Lucy A. Afar
geo...@apan.org wrote:
> In <alt.true-crime>, 17 Jul 2000 11:28:07 GMT,
> on "Re: OT? Nudity haven annoys neighbors"
> vol...@aol.comBV21 (Lady Taker) wrote:
>
> >>Of course, this problem could easily be taken care of by setting
aside a few
> >>small areas in each state for the many naturists who enjoy
sunbathing,
> >>swimming and hiking nude.
> >
> >I think that when you start "setting aside a few small areas in each
state" for
> >small factions of people who live outside what is considered
"normal" then you
> >are going to open up a huge can of worms that is only going to lead
to trouble.
> > (And no open acreage left anywhere.)
> >
> >Volfie -> I like the color orange (that makes me a vast minority) --
I want a
> >few small acres to wear orange, eat orange, live orange, please.
>
> Most counties in CA have several acres set aside for people who wear
> orange. They don't let 'em out when they're wearing it either.
>
> GB
>
But they do let 'em out when they're wearing purple - and then they set
the fashion, for the rest of us.
Lucy
> --
> Opinions above are NOT those of APAN, Inc. and are NOT legal advice.
> "Oh, the gallant fisher's life! / It is the best of any;
> 'Tis full of pleasure, void of strife, / And 'tis beloved by many."
> << Izaak Walton, _The_Angler_ >>
>
--
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everywhere."
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Lucy A. Afar
vol...@aol.comBV21 (Lady Taker) wrote:
> >Of course, this problem could easily be taken care of by setting
aside a few
> >small areas in each state for the many naturists who enjoy
sunbathing,
> >swimming
> >and hiking nude.
>
> I think that when you start "setting aside a few small areas in each
state" for
> small factions of people who live outside what is considered "normal"
then you
> are going to open up a huge can of worms that is only going to lead
to trouble.
> (And no open acreage left anywhere.)
>
> Volfie -> I like the color orange (that makes me a vast minority) --
I want a
> few small acres to wear orange, eat orange, live orange, please.
Well, you could do that, where I live, right now: everything is orange
- the sun, the sky, the light, the air, the heat - especially the heat.
It's the orange season. And, of course, you can eat oranges, all the
year round. You can pick them yourself, if you want - according to the
tradition, the fruit in the trees at the side of the road is always
left there for the tired, thirsty traveler.
As about wearing orange, that's not a problem, unless you do it in
ultra-religious neighborhoods, and even then it's not so much what you
cover, as what you leave exposed.
And, by the way: I don't know about hiking, but swimming nude is
TERRIFIC. :-)
Lucy
Volfie's Vibrator
"Lady Taker" <vol...@aol.comBV21> wrote in message
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Someone else wrote (attributions fux0red by AOLamer):
: >Of course, this problem could easily be taken care of
: >by setting aside a few small areas in each state for the
: >many naturists who enjoy sunbathing, swimming
: >and hiking nude.
:
:I think that when you start "setting aside a few small areas
:in each state" for small factions of people who live outside
:what is considered "normal" then you are going to open
:up a huge can of worms that is only going to lead to
:trouble. (And no open acreage left anywhere.)
:Volfie -> I like the color orange (that makes me a vast
:minority) -- I want a few small acres to wear orange, eat
:orange, live orange, please.
FINE! But could you cut down on the Betadine douching and pay for a REAL
paint job for me?
~V-V~
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>Would that be a *real* paint job or a Sears paint job?
Did someone ask for something in an off-white?
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>
>
>
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Lady Taker
>wasn't pretty. Ticks. I'm not kidding, lots of them.
>
>Michael
Where? In your fur?
Volfie -> who found them and who took them out? Did you use the ol' cigarette
lighter trick?
GMSpider
>a
>>few small acres to wear orange, eat orange, live orange, please.
>
>orange. They don't let 'em out when they're wearing it either.
>
>GB
>
>Opinions above are NOT those of APAN, Inc. and are NOT legal advice.
> "Oh, the gallant fisher's life! / It is the best of any;
> 'Tis full of pleasure, void of strife, / And 'tis beloved by many."
> << Izaak Walton, _The_Angler_ >>
>
>
>
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