47 page psychiatric report on Unabomber Ted Kaczynski is released to the media,provides interesting new info on his motivations & frame of mine
Joe1orbit
As reported by me a few weeks ago, a psychiatric report on Unabomber serial
killer Ted Kaczynski, sealed since January, was ordered released to the media
by a federal judge, in response to a legal challenge by two media outlets.
Defense attorneys for Ted opposed the release of this psychiatric report,
citing the fact that it might prejudice any future appeals. But the judge ruled
that the media did have the right to access the report, made by the primary
psychiatrist who conducted several long interviews with Ted, in the months
after his arrest, before he decided to plead guilty.
We get some VERY interesting new details that were revealed in the report, as
well as very insighful commentary from Ted himself. Of course it must be noted
that all statements in this report that do not DIRECTLY QUOTE Ted must be
assumed to only be the psychiatrist's INTERPRETATION and OPINION of Ted, not
actual FACT or TRUTH.
But according to this report, a good deal of Ted's homicidal rage and hate
was sparked by personal, emotional feelings, NOT the type of "intellectual"
rage over technology that some people think was Ted's primary motivation in
deciding to become a serial killer/bomber. I think that EMOTIONAL rage and hate
IS the prime motivating factor within all serial killers, although of course
intellectual hate can play a major role in conjunction with emotional rage and
hate.
Ted confirmed to this psychiatrist that he DID have emotional, True
Reality-based desires to become a woman, via a sex change operation, way back
in the 1960's. In 1966 he visited a psychiatrist, INTENDING to tell the doctor
about his sex change fantasies, but changed his mind during the visit and told
the psych doctor nothing of the kind. He recalls that this 1966 encounter with
the psych doctor played a pivotal role and marked a major turning point in his
attitude towards life and his fellow humans. Declares Ted: "Like a phoenix, I
burst from the ashes of my despair. My very hopelessness had liberated me
because I no longer cared about death. I no longer cared about consequences and
I said to myself that I really could break out of my rut in life and do things
that were daring, irresponsible or criminal. I thought I wanted to kill that
psychiatrist because the future looked utterly empty to me. What was entirely
new, was the fact that I really felt I could kill someone.'' Yes indeed, it
was at that MOMENT, IMO, that Ted truly recognized and embraced his CORE True
Reality. He saw just how POINTLESS life truly is, and that the ONLY limitations
on his chosen path of vengeance would be limitations that he chose to place
upon himself.
Shortly after this 1966 visit to a psych doctor, Ted formulated, planned out,
and began executing his decades long and brilliantly conceived serial bombing
attacks.
We also learn that according to psych doctor Sally, Ted had a decades long
sense of worry over whether he was attractive to women. Personally, I tend to
DOUBT that this is true. There is no indication that Ted actually stated this.
It sounds like a "diagnosis" and opinion that the psych doctor arrived at, and
I don't think it is accurate. More interestingly, we learn that Ted had vivid
fantasies of MUTLIATING one of the women that he dated in the 1970's, probably
the same woman that Ted's brother ordered him to stop bothering, or else get
fired from his job, that his brother had given him. Ted also had numerous
dreams/fantasies/thoughts of killing psychiatrists who tried to convince him
that he was mentally ill. In his dreams, he told Doctor Sally that after he
murders the psych doctors, they magically "spring back to life". I wonder
whether Ted perhaps only MADE UP this story, as a way of trying to confuse or
frighten Sally, since she IS a psych doctor?
However, the MOST fascinating and interesting detail revealed in this 47
page psych report is that Ted Kaczynski very cleary and unequivocably BLAMED
his PARENTS, first and foremost, for turning him into an enraged serial killer.
Ted stated: "It was the extreme psychological and verbal abuse of my parents"
that made him into an enraged predator. Ted is of course 100% correct, and I am
VERY PROUD of him for having the intelligence, courage, and brilliant insight
to RECOGNIZE this fact! Bravo to you, Ted! Unlike so many other killers, who
are unable to face up to the CORE beginnings and reasons for what MADE them
into killers, Ted demonstrates his mental superiority by recognizing and facing
up to this profound Truth. Ted is a VICTIM and a CREATION of his
parents/slaveowners. They MADE him into a serial killer, and he is very wise
and courageous to be able to recognize and accept this fact, within his core
psyche.
Unfortunately, Sally Johnson, the psych doctor who examined Ted, took it
upon herself to EDIT out some of Ted's most direct, honest, and personal
statements. That is an OUTRAGE, IMO. She should have produced a report that
contained ALL of Ted's VERBATIM statements, unedited, and then added her
opinion/comments at the end of the unedited narrative. Instead, she chose to
deprive us of a chance to read Ted's complete statements and ideas and feeling,
imposing her BIASED prejudice upon him, via her edits. Still, I would LOVE to
read the entire 47 page report. If anyone knows of a web site that has posted
the entire report in full, please let me know.
Take care, JOE
The following appears courtesy of today's Associated Press news wire:
Report: Unabomber Wanted Sex Change
By SETH HETTENA
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- Theodore Kaczynski fantasized about mutilating a
girlfriend, killing psychiatrists, having a sex-change operation and wrote that
sexual frustrations sparked his desire to kill.
The information was revealed Friday in a long-awaited report from psychiatrist
Dr. Sally Johnson, who spent 22 hours interviewing the confessed Unabomber in
his Sacramento County Jail cell and reviewed his writings dating to the 1960s.
Johnson diagnosed Kaczynski, a former Berkeley mathematics professor and
backwoods hermit, as a paranoid schizophrenic, but said he was competent to
stand trial.
Kaczynski wrote that his 1966 visit to a psychiatrist to discuss his desire to
become a woman was a major turning point in his life. He left the doctor's
office without speaking of his fantasies, consumed with a visionary new hatred,
according to Johnson.
``Like a phoenix, I burst from the ashes of my despair,'' Kaczynski wrote. ``My
very hopelessness had liberated me because I no longer cared about death.
``I no longer cared about consequences and I said to myself that I really could
break out of my rut in life and do things that were daring, irresponsible or
criminal,'' he said.
Kaczynski's mental state was a crucial issue during his federal trial, which
ended in January when he confessed to being the elusive Unabomber who killed
three people and injured 23 others between 1978 and 1995 with homemade bombs.
He was sentenced to life without parole at a prison in Colorado.
The report, sealed since January, was released by U.S. District Judge Garland
Burrell over defense objections following a legal challenge by the San
Francisco Examiner and CBS News, which first reported Kaczynski's desire for a
sex-change operation in April.
Quin Denvir, Kaczynski's lead attorney, declined to comment Friday.
Kaczynski, 56, fretted for 30 years about whether women found him attractive,
fantasized about mutilating a woman he dated in the late 1970s and remained in
love for years with women who never reciprocated his feelings, according to
Johnson's report. No names were released.
He also was haunted by a dream in which he kills psychiatrists who try to
convince him he is sick, only to find them springing back to life, the report
said.
AP-NY-09-12-98
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The following appears courtesy of yesterday's Reuters news wire:
Judge releases Unabomber's psychiatric report
SACRAMENTO, Calif., Sept. 11 (Reuters) - The psychiatric report on convicted
Unabomber Theodore Kaczynski was officially unsealed Friday, revealing a
tortured man who blamed his alienation from society on ``extreme psychological
verbal abuse'' by his parents.
Federal Judge Garland Burrell, following instructions from the 9th U.S. Circuit
Court of Appeals, released the report over the objections of Kaczynski's
lawyers, who said it would invade his privacy and embarrass his family.
In her 47-page report, federal prison psychiatrist Sally Johnson attempted to
sketch out the psychological history of the reclusive serial bomber, whose
17-year campaign of terror killed three people and injured 29.
The report details both Kaczynski's hostile relationship to his family and
confusion over his own gender identity, both of which specialists say can be
symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia.
Johnson, who interviewed Kaczynski for five days in his Sacramento jail cell in
January, found him mentally competent to stand trial. He avoided that by
quickly agreeing to a plea bargain, however, and is now serving a life sentence
in a maximum security prison in Colorado.
But Johnson's report also determined that Kaczynski had suffered from paranoid
schizophrenia from at least his early 20s, and painted a grim picture of a
promising young man whose mental anguish eventually drove him to murder.
During their interviews, Kaczynski, now 56, told Johnson about the family he
alleged psychologically abused him and about his struggle with his gender
identity.
The report details the middle class childhood in Chicago of Kaczynski who early
on stunned both his parents and his teachers with his brilliance.
Kaczynski told Johnson that his quick trip through school -- he skipped from
the fifth to the seventh grade -- stunted his social development.
``By the time I left high school I was definitely regarded as a freak by a
large segment of the student body,'' Kaczynski told the psychiatrist.
He said he sought to overcome his social isolation through classroom
misbehaviour, including one day building a pipe bomb in a chemistry class, an
act which earned him some notoriety among his fellow students.
Johnson said that in their interviews, Kaczynski attributed his lifelong
inability to establish deep friendships, particularly with women, to ``extreme
psychological verbal abuse from his parents.''
As an example, she wrote, Kaczynski cited one episode in which his mother
yelled at him for not putting his dirty socks in the laundry hamper -- an
incident for which he railed against his mother in a letter some 20 years
later.
Johnson said that hypersensitivity and irrational rage at his family were
symptoms of Kaczynski's underlying mental illness, and her report was partially
edited to remove some of the most personal references to family members, women
Kaczynski knew and religious issues.
She said Kaczynski reported that his thinking began to change while he was in
graduate school during a period when he began to consider having a sex change
operation.
Although he went so far as to set up an appointment at the University of
Michigan health centre, by the time he underwent a psychiatric consultation, he
had lost his nerve and lied to the doctor -- sowing the seeds of a violent
hatred for mental health professionals.
``Just then there came a major turning point in my life,'' Kaczynski said.
``Like a phoenix, I burst from the ashes of my despair to a glorious new hope.
I thought I wanted to kill that psychiatrist because the future looked utterly
empty to me.''
``What was entirely new,'' Kaczynski concluded, ``was the fact that I really
felt I could kill someone.''
Shortly thereafter, Johnson said, Kaczynski began developing the plan which
would eventually lead him to the remote cabin in the Montana wilderness from
which he waged his deadly bomb attacks.
21:18 09-11-98
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The following appears courtesy of the 9/11/98 online edition of The San
Francisco Examiner newspaper:
Report: Kaczynski wanted sex change
Seth Rosenfeld
OF THE EXAMINER STAFF
Sept. 11, 1998
San Francisco Examiner
Unabomber felt "rage' after trying to tell school counselor
Theodore John Kaczynski, who confessed to being the Unabomber, became convinced
that he should have a sex-change operation while a graduate student, according
to a previously secret psychiatric report released Friday.
Kaczynski, while a graduate student at the University of Michigan in the early
1960s, visited a counselor there about his desire but was too embarrassed to
discuss it and left the office "feeling rage, shame and humiliation over this
attempt to seek an evaluation," the report said.
Kaczynski later described the episode as a "significant turning point in his
life," according to the report.
The account was contained in a 47-page, single-spaced psychiatric report on
Kaczynski that offers the greatest insight to date into the mind of America's
longest-running serial bomber.
The report was made public after a federal appeals court ordered it unsealed in
response to a legal motion made by The Examiner. The court ruled that the
public interest in knowing why Kaczynski was found competent to stand trial -
and what motivated him to kill - outweighed his privacy interests.
The document reports him as saying he suffered from severe emotional and verbal
abuse as a child, and felt increasingly alienated and angry at other people as
he grew older.
Between the seventh and 12th grade, he perceived "a gradual increasing amount
of hostility I had to face from the other kids. By the time I left high school,
I was definitely regarded as a freak by a large segment of the student body,"
he told the psychiatrist.
Kaczynski recalled a discussion during his junior high or high school years
about making a small pipe bomb in chemistry, which gained him some notoriety,
the report said.
He told the psychiatrist he had "frustrated resentment towards school, parents,
and the student body" which was often vented through "snotty behavior in the
classroom which often took a sarcastic or crudely humorous turn," the report
said.
Kaczynski admitted that he was "probably a very difficult teenager to live
with" and that his parents "were in some respect generous and unselfish," the
report said.
"System of morality'
He described developing his own "system of morality that evolved into an
abstract artificial construction that could not possibly be applied in
practice," but never told anyone about this system because he thought they
wouldn't take it seriously, the report said.
At the same time, Kaczynski told of looking for a way to justify hating people.
And in his voluminous writings, he focuses in extraordinary detail on potential
relationships with females, the report said.
He claimed in his writings that during his college years he had fantasies of
living a primitive life and fancied himself as "an agitator, rousing mobs to
frenzies of revolutionary violence," the report said.
The report is based on 19 hours of interviews with Kaczynski and others with
his mother, brother, lawyers and prosecutors.
It is the only detailed psychological profile of Kaczynski, and was a main
factor in the government's acceptance of his guilty plea.
While finding he was legally competent to stand trial - meaning he understood
the charges against him and could assist his lawyers in defending him - it said
he suffered from paranoid schizophrenia.
The report was made by Dr. Sally C. Johnson, a psychiatrist with the U.S.
Bureau of Prisons. She is chief of psychiatric services at the Federal
Correctional Institution in Butner, N.C.
Johnson, 44, a prominent forensic psychiatrist, has examined John Hinckley Jr.,
who attempted to assassinate Ronald Reagan, as well as TV evangelist and
convicted fraud Jim Bakker, and New York Mafia boss Vincent "The Chin" Gigante.
Kaczynski's motivations
The report describes Kaczynski's motivations for his 18-year bombing campaign.
Kaczynski - whom the FBI called the Unabomber because his initial targets
involved universities and airlines - killed three men and injured 29 other
people in 16 attacks from 1978 through 1995.
Kaczynski, 55, was born in the Chicago suburb of Evergreen Park, and grew up
reading Scientific American. His father, a sausage maker, taught him and his
younger brother how to live outdoors.
Kaczynski graduated from Harvard and was a brilliant young math professor at
UC-Berkeley in the late-1960s before he became a Montana recluse and serial
killer.
U.S. District Judge Garland E. Burrell Jr. of Sacramento ordered the
psychiatric examination after Kaczynski had delayed the trial's start with
requests to dismiss his lawyers, represent himself and forgo his best defense
against a possible death sentence: that he was mentally ill and could not be
held criminally responsible.
Kaczynski placed or mailed five of the meticulously hand-made bombs in Northern
California, injuring a UC-Berkeley professor in 1982, killing Sacramento
computer shop owner Hugh Scrutton in 1985, injuring UC-San Francisco geneticist
Charles Epstein in 1993 and killing timber industry lobbyist Gilbert Murray in
Sacramento in 1995.
Kaczynski is incarcerated at a maximum security federal prison in Florence,
Colo.
When he was sentenced in May to four life terms, Kaczynski, wearing a beige
cable knit sweater and spectacles, defiantly accused the government of
"discrediting me personally and attempting to discredit my ideas."
John Jones
> However, the MOST fascinating and interesting detail revealed in this 47
>page psych report is that Ted Kaczynski very cleary and unequivocably BLAMED
>his PARENTS, first and foremost, for turning him into an enraged serial killer.
>Ted stated: "It was the extreme psychological and verbal abuse of my parents"
>that made him into an enraged predator. Ted is of course 100% correct, and I am
>VERY PROUD of him for having the intelligence, courage, and brilliant insight
>to RECOGNIZE this fact! Bravo to you, Ted! Unlike so many other killers, who
>are unable to face up to the CORE beginnings and reasons for what MADE them
>into killers, Ted demonstrates his mental superiority by recognizing and facing
>up to this profound Truth. Ted is a VICTIM and a CREATION of his
>parents/slaveowners. They MADE him into a serial killer, and he is very wise
>and courageous to be able to recognize and accept this fact, within his core
>psyche.
So poor Teddy blames his parents....eh?
Bullshit
When are these "poor victims" going to accept responsibility for their
own actions? Nobody turned Teddy into anything...he did it all by
himself. This is what is wrong.......nobody is willing to accept
responsibility for one's deeds.....instead, it is
always...."Uh...he/she made me do it".....absolute bullshit.
Poor Teddy needs to own up to what he did.....and take the
consequences for it.
----------------------------------------------------
No one will ever know exactly why or how, but by the
year 2050, everyone born in Baltimore will look
exactly like Ernest Borgnine.
Drew Friedman
----------------------------------------------------
John
Joe1orbit
>> However, the MOST fascinating and interesting detail revealed in this 47
>>page psych report is that Ted Kaczynski very cleary and unequivocably BLAMED
>>his PARENTS, first and foremost, for turning him into an enraged serial
>killer.
>>Ted stated: "It was the extreme psychological and verbal abuse of my
>parents"
>>that made him into an enraged predator. Ted is of course 100% correct, and I
>am
>>VERY PROUD of him for having the intelligence, courage, and brilliant
>insight
>>to RECOGNIZE this fact! Bravo to you, Ted! Unlike so many other killers, who
>>are unable to face up to the CORE beginnings and reasons for what MADE them
>>into killers, Ted demonstrates his mental superiority by recognizing and
>facing
>>up to this profound Truth. Ted is a VICTIM and a CREATION of his
>>parents/slaveowners. They MADE him into a serial killer, and he is very wise
>>and courageous to be able to recognize and accept this fact, within his core
>>psyche.
jjo...@richnet.net (John Jones) Wrote:
>So poor Teddy blames his parents....eh?
Hello John,
Yes, Ted Kaczynski, victim of your society, possess the brilliant insight and
self-love to direct his blame at the human beings who are most directly
responsible for molding, shaping, and making him into a serial killer/bomber.
>Bullshit
You are entitled to your prejudiced, hypocritical, uninsightful, opinion.
>When are these "poor victims" going to accept responsibility for their
>own actions?
Ted Kaczynski is a victim and a creation of your society. He is now MORE of a
victim than any of the people he killed, due to your society's decision to
punitively punish him. He knew 30 years ago that he had an absolute right to
seek and claim violent vengeance through serial murder. I am sure he knows this
today as well. And I continue to salute his brilliant insight and his rare
choice to properly direct his rage and hate outward, rather than inward.
>Nobody turned Teddy into anything...he did it all by
>himself.
That is an INSANE statement. But it's not an unusual one. It's a very yypical
mindset among the brainwashed and beholden societal slaves, who refuse to face
up to the malevolence of their society and the absolutely undeniable True
Reality right of VICTIMS like Ted to seek and claim violent vengeance against
the society that is guilty of and responsible for, having created them.
>This is what is wrong.......nobody is willing to accept
>responsibility for one's deeds.....instead, it is
>always...."Uh...he/she made me do it".....absolute bullshit.
No, what is wrong within your diseased society is the refusal of your society
and humans like you to accept the fact that YOU are far more malevolent and
evil, and far more GUILTY of brutally perverse crimes, in what you FORCED Ted
to endure in his life, from birth onward, than Ted could ever hope to be.
Ted bears no more "responsibility" for his actions and his lot in life, than
does a US Army recruit who was sent unto Vietnam and lost both his legs to a
Vietnamese hand grenade.
>Poor Teddy needs to own up to what he did.....and take the
>consequences for it.
No, he doesn't. I hope he ALWAYS recognizes and appreciates that he had an
absolute right to embark upon a 30+ year rage and hate filled path of attempted
murder against the society that created him. I hope he never feels even a
twinge of guilt. Because he is not guilty of ANYTHING other than having had the
misfortune of being born into a perverse, malevolent, immoral, lie-based, and
hypocritical society.
Take care, JOE
RossGetman
experienced among his classmates that destroyed his self-esteem by his late
teen years. There are journal entries to that effect. Being stuffed in a
locker for having a pocket protector. That sort of thing.
At another point in his reports, he describes his parents as generous and
unselfish. In 1971, upon leaving for Montana, he wrote a note saying that they
were the best parents a person could have.
In any event, I don't think that it is accurate that he was psychologically or
verbally abused by his parents -- at worst, his Mom read him "Scientific
American" rather than "Green Eggs and Ham."
Joe1orbit
>I haven't seen the report, but I think it was mostly the humiliations he
>experienced among his classmates that destroyed his self-esteem by his late
>teen years.
Hello,
I disagree,
The treatment inflicted upon him by his parents played a prime and pivotal
role in causing Ted to reach the point where he decided to become a serial
bomber. It was not the ONLY influence or factor, of course.
> There are journal entries to that effect. Being stuffed in a
>locker for having a pocket protector. That sort of thing.
When a person is YOUNG, they lack the insight, maturity, and courgage to face
up to who is most guilty and responsible for having created them. Only in FULL
adulthood, oftentimes not until a person reaches his 40's or 50's, does a
victim develop the type of "distance" and individuality to truly recognize the
role that his parents played, in creating him.
>At another point in his reports, he describes his parents as generous and
>unselfish. In 1971, upon leaving for Montana, he wrote a note saying that
>they
>were the best parents a person could have.
I assume that he GAVE that note to his parents, right? This was done because
he knew he needed to stay on good terms with them, to get some money every once
in awhile from them.
>In any event, I don't think that it is accurate that he was psychologically
>or
>verbally abused by his parents -- at worst, his Mom read him "Scientific
>American" rather than "Green Eggs and Ham."
I think it is totally accurate. Ted perceived himself being verbally and
psychologically abused by his parents. And that is exactly what he did
experience.
If you ever do come across a web site that contains the full text of this
psych report, please do post the URL, or let me know by e-mail.
Take care, JOE
GMSpider
quote.........
He quoted one of the letters which TED sent to his parents as including the
sentence, "I can't wait until you die so I can spit on your corpse."
FBI Interview of David Kaczynski, dated February 24-25, 1996
____________________________
The resentment I have toward you will always remain, but your last letter does
soften my attitude a little. Enough anyway, so that I will take back what I
said about hoping you drop dead on Christmas -- cause it's true that you were
always good to me on Christmas. Letter from Ted Kaczynski to
his parents
unquote
Grandmother Spider
Visit the Girl Gang Web Pages at
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John Jones
You are correct. I am.
>>When are these "poor victims" going to accept responsibility for their
>>own actions?
>
> Ted Kaczynski is a victim and a creation of your society. He is now MORE of a
>victim than any of the people he killed, due to your society's decision to
>punitively punish him. He knew 30 years ago that he had an absolute right to
>seek and claim violent vengeance through serial murder. I am sure he knows this
>today as well. And I continue to salute his brilliant insight and his rare
>choice to properly direct his rage and hate outward, rather than inward.
Haha! Face up to it, you are as much of a part of "My" society as
anyone else posting here. Whether you say you are or not is a moot
point. And no...Teddy did not have a right to murder anyone.
>>Nobody turned Teddy into anything...he did it all by
>>himself.
>
> That is an INSANE statement. But it's not an unusual one. It's a very yypical
>mindset among the brainwashed and beholden societal slaves, who refuse to face
>up to the malevolence of their society and the absolutely undeniable True
>Reality right of VICTIMS like Ted to seek and claim violent vengeance against
>the society that is guilty of and responsible for, having created them.
Insane? Whatever you say, tough guy.
Brainwashed? I think not. Waittaminute.....I see that aol.com in your
address. This must mean that you are a Steve Case accolyte. Poor, sad
little lemming.
What is this "True Reality" garbage? I'll bet you got that out of an
L. Ron Hubbard book, didn't you?
>>This is what is wrong.......nobody is willing to accept
>>responsibility for one's deeds.....instead, it is
>>always...."Uh...he/she made me do it".....absolute bullshit.
>
> No, what is wrong within your diseased society is the refusal of your society
>and humans like you to accept the fact that YOU are far more malevolent and
>evil, and far more GUILTY of brutally perverse crimes, in what you FORCED Ted
>to endure in his life, from birth onward, than Ted could ever hope to be.
Life is full of tough breaks...isn't it?
Would you care for a little cheese with that w(h)ine?
> Ted bears no more "responsibility" for his actions and his lot in life, than
>does a US Army recruit who was sent unto Vietnam and lost both his legs to a
>Vietnamese hand grenade.
Now you ARE teetering over the absurdity precipice.
>>Poor Teddy needs to own up to what he did.....and take the
>>consequences for it.
>
> No, he doesn't. I hope he ALWAYS recognizes and appreciates that he had an
>absolute right to embark upon a 30+ year rage and hate filled path of attempted
>murder against the society that created him. I hope he never feels even a
>twinge of guilt. Because he is not guilty of ANYTHING other than having had the
>misfortune of being born into a perverse, malevolent, immoral, lie-based, and
>hypocritical society.
You need to take at least a 10mg Valium. Take it easy, Herr Goebbels.
Teddy is just where he should be....bad karma, I guess. Hey....why
don't you go visit him? Take him some candy corn or circus peanuts as
a little token of your esteem. Might cheer him up.
> Take care, JOE
I always do.
Cliff and Linda Griffith
> SACRAMENTO, Calif., Sept. 11 (Reuters) -
RossGetman
The most likely place to find the report in the near future is
unabombertrial.com, managed by the Sacramento Bee.
The woman there, Brandye, is very responsive to requests for the uploading of
documents, even long ones.
I agree with you that TK also perceived humiliations at home.
Let me post some journal entries, though, that shed light on his feelings
toward his parents and his anger over his mistreatment by his classmates. He
mainly didn't get along with his parents because of their liberal political
beliefs.
RossGetman
reaction to medicine] is very drastic to a youngster. Most hospitals at that
time didn’t allow more than weekly visitation for sick children. To a child of
that age, a week without Mother’s contact may be totally devastating. They
have no appreciation that the abandonment will ever end.
Dr. John Kennell of Case Western Reserve University
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I use to pick him up out of the crib and he would be bouncing
around and he would nuzzle his head in my neck and chortle and gurgle
and pull my hair and he was a bundle of joy. In those days they did not allow
you to stay with a child, I would remember how he'd grab the bars of the crib
in this hospital and he'd scream and hold out his arms and I'd have to go out
the door, when I finally came back to take him home, what they handed to me was
not this bouncing, joyous baby, but a little rag doll, that didn't look at me,
that was slumped over, was completely limp.
Wanda Kaczynski, 60 Minutes Interview, dated Sept. 15, 1996
______________________________________________________
Feb. 24, 1943. Mother went to visit baby... Mother felt very sad about baby.
She says he is quite subdued, has lost his verve and aggressiveness and has
developed an institutionalized look.
March 12, 1943. Baby home from hospital and is healthy but quite unresponsive
after his experience. Hope his sudden removal to hospital and consequent
unhappiness will not harm him.
______________________________________________________
---- one brown paperback book titled Growing Up Absurd, by Paul Goodman
Inventory of items seized at the residence of Theodore Kaczynski
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Teddy John was the only kid I ever heard of who requested a copy of,
and read, Robert's Rules of Order.
Ralph Meister, friend of Ted’s father
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Ted and I were friendly enough to say hello despite the fact that we
were different. It was like he and I both knew he wasn't supposed to socialize
with my kind and I knew very well I wasn't supposed to socialize with a
bookworm. Quite frankly, I had an overwhelming admiration for Ted.
Wayne Tripton, lived across the street from Ted in 1950’s
_________________________________________________________
They were a happy family, a productive family, civic-minded, extremely
intellectual. Wanda was very interested in reading to the children. She read
Scientific American every month to Teddy. She was a born teacher. She was able
to translate those difficult subject matters into understandable language for
her son.
Dorothy O'Connell, family friend and neighbor in 1950s
_________________________________________________________
Someone wrote that the blame for Ted's actions should go to his
mom, that he was smothered with Freudian bad love and as a result, he became a
killer. That's a crock. Every parents make mistakes. Yeah, she read him
Scientific American when she should have been reading him Green Eggs and Ham,
but as far as we know, she didn't beat, starve, neglect, or do anything
severely bad to him. Look at his brother -- he's never harmed anyone.
Hannah
in alt.fan.unabomber
_________________________________________________________
DAVE characterized TED's hostility toward his parents as essentially lifelong.
He described an incident at the dinner table when TED was 12 or 13, after the
family had moved to Evergreen Park in Chicago. Their mother, WANDA, was
carrying a dish of hot food from the oven to the table, when TED stood and drew
her chair out for her in an apparently gentlemanly manner. When WANDA smiled
and began sitting down, TED jerked the chair out from under her and she fell to
the floor, while the dish fell onto the table. WANDA "began screaming" at TED,
while TED stood and laughed at her.
FBI Interview of David Kaczynski, dated February 24-25, 1996
To encourage these earliest discoveries is to help children develop not only
specific skills but, just as important, the personality traits that are
essential to later learning.... These “megaskills” ... are also the foundation
of self-respect and the moral, ethical and spiritual codes that guide us
through life.
Hillary Rodham Clinton, It Takes A Village: And Other Lessons Children Teach
Us (1996)
_________________________________________________________
The boys were raised Darwinian.
Keith Sorrick, Kaczynski family friend
_________________________________________________________
The fact that I was able to admit to myself that there was no logical
justification for morality illustrates a very important trait of mine
... I have much less tendency to self-deception than most people. ...
Thus, I tended to feel that I was a particularly important person and
superior to most of the rest of the human race. ... It just came to me
as naturally as breathing to feel that I was someone special.
Journal entry by Ted Kaczynski
_________________________________________________________
He had a pocket protector, the whole thing. We stuffed him in a locker one
time just for grins.
Raymond Janz, high school classmate
_________________________________________________________
I don’t know whether he knew himself what was bothering him. All he knew, I
think, is that he felt rotten.
Wanda Kaczynski
_________________________________________________________
By the time I was, say, 12 years old, my system of morality had evolved into
an abstract, artificial construction that could not possibly be applied in
practice. I never told anyone about this system, since I knew they would never
take it seriously. After I had skipped 6th grade and begun feeling a great deal
of hostility toward many of my schoolmates, I developed a habit of trying to
find ways of justifying my hatred in terms of my moral system.
By and by I got bored with this game. One day when I was 13 years old, I was
walking down the street and saw a girl. Something about her appearance
antagonized measures and, from habit, I began looking for a way to justify
hating her, within my logical system. But then I stopped and said to myself,
'This is getting ridiculous. I'll just chuck all this silly morality business
and hate anybody I please.' Since then I have never had any interest in or
respect for morality, ethics, or anything of the sort.
Journal entry by Ted Kaczynski
_________________________________________________________
My social self-esteem was destroyed by the age of 20.
Letter from Ted Kaczynski
_________________________________________________________
This fear of rejection -- based on bitter experience both at home and at
school -- has ruined my life, except for the few years that I spent
alone in the woods, largely out of contact with people.
Letter from Ted Kaczynski
_________________________________________________________
However, it is important to understand that, while on the level" of the
-intellect- and the -conscious will- I had completely rejected all morality and
all respect for authority, nevertheless on an -instinctive animal level- I was
still the slave of my early conditioning, so that I was very much afraid to
-act- contrary to the precepts of authority. For example, when I was, say,
15, I was full of contempt for the school authorities, and the rules they laid
down; but it would have been unthinkable for me to play hooky, and to have
failed a course would have been an unbearable shame. It was not that I
believed there was anything wrong with playing hooky; but (like Pavlov's dog
salivating at the sound of the bell) I…"
Journal entry by Ted Kaczynski
_________________________________________________________
A number of children have problems with the way they're pressured to learn as
much as they can, as fast as they can. The "advanced" and "gifted child"
programs in some schools can put additional pressure on them. A number of
children "break down" under the strain, showing up in the statistics for
depression and suicide. Obviously, Ted was one of the "broken" ones.
Hank
in alt.fan.unabomber
_________________________________________________________
He quoted one of the letters which TED sent to his parents as including the
sentence, "I can't wait until you die so I can spit on your corpse."
FBI Interview of David Kaczynski, dated February 24-25, 1996
The resentment I have toward you will always remain, but your last letter does
soften my attitude a little. Enough anyway, so that I will take back what I
said about hoping you drop dead on Christmas -- cause it's true that you were
always good to me on Christmas.
Letter from Ted Kaczynski to his parents
Unabomber Haiku
"Open your present..."
"No, you open your present..."
Kaczynski Christmas
Pete Watters
in rec.arts.books
_________________________________________________________
The rejection I experienced at home and at school even affected
me physically, in case you wonder why Dave is three (3) inches taller
than I. I have brought up two (2) different studies that report to show
that rejection during adolescence tends to stunt growth.
Letter from Ted Kaczynski to his mother, Wanda
_________________________________________________________
People are social animals and they crave the company of others. This is
especially so in the decade following puberty when the sex drive, which is
quite powerful in humans, sets in. There's ample evidence to illustrate Ted's
social pathologies, and to say that he desired to be asocial is making a virtue
out of a necessity. He spent the 27 years following his retirement from
Berkeley trying to fix blame for his inability to be normal, and in the end, he
has reposed that blame in his mother.
Mignarda
in alt.fan.unabomber
_________________________________________________________
His feelings about our family bear no relationship to the reality of
the family life that we experienced.
David Kaczynski
_________________________________________________________
Even if Ma dies, I don't want to hear about it.
Letter from Ted Kaczynski to David Kaczynski
_________________________________________________________
When I was in high school I took a course in chemistry. There was
only one aspect of the subject which interested me, as any chemist could have
seen from a brief inspection of my rather specialized home collection of
reagents; powdered aluminum, powdered magnesium, powdered zinc, sulfur,
potassium, nitrate, potassium permanganate...in suitable combinations these
things are capable of exploding.
“How I Blew Up __________” by "Apias Tuberosa,” Pseudonym for T.J.
Kaczynski, quoted in Turchie Affidavit, (para. 189)
_________________________________________________________
Much of his time is spent at home reading and contriving numerous
gadgets made up of wood, string, wire, tape, lenses, gears, wheels,
etc.; that test out various principles in physics. His table and desk are
always a mess of test tubes, chemicals, batteries, ground coal, etc.
He will miss greatly, I think, this browsing and puttering in his
messy makeshift lab.
Letter from Ted Kaczynski’s mother, Wanda, dated July 16, 1958 (in
Kaczynski’s Harvard file)
_________________________________________________________
Ted had the know-how of putting together things like batteries, wire leads,
potassium nitrate and whatever, and creating explosions. We would go to the
hardware store, use household products and make these things you might call
bombs.
Dale Eickelman, Dartmouth anthropology professor and childhood friend
_________________________________________________________
OK, now let's take your contention that because I was a `gloomy' etc.
kid, the parents had reason to believe I really was `sick' . . . Let's go even
further and assume I was a real nuthouse case -- let's suppose I went around
insisting that I was Napoleon Bonaparte. .... Far from justifying our
parents' behavior, that makes it even worse. They certainly knew enough to
realize that if someone really is mentally ill, one of the
worst things you can do to them is to shout at them in a hostile and
accusing manner, “You're sick! You're sick! You have the mind of a
two-year old!”
Letter from Ted Kaczynski to David Kaczynski
_________________________________________________________
I never thought of him as gloomy in any way. He was a clean-cut, nice kid.
What made him special was the way he thought. From time to time, he’d go off
and work on problems totally independent from what he was learning in class.
He’d take a mathematical proof and find different ways of doing it, without any
instruction from me. It’s the hallmark of a truly penetrating mind.
Robert Rippey, math teacher at Evergreen Park High School
RossGetman
"To be taken away from Mother at six months [to be treated for an allergic
reaction to medicine] is very drastic to a youngster. Most hospitals at that
time didn’t allow more than weekly visitation for sick children. To a child of
that age, a week without Mother’s contact may be totally devastating. They
have no appreciation that the abandonment will ever end.
Dr. John Kennell of Case Western Reserve University
__________________________
"I use to pick him up out of the crib and he would be bouncing
around and he would nuzzle his head in my neck and chortle and gurgle
and pull my hair and he was a bundle of joy. In those days they did not allow
you to stay with a child, I would remember how he'd grab the bars of the crib
in this hospital and he'd scream and hold out his arms and I'd have to go out
the door, when I finally came back to take him home, what they handed to me was
not this bouncing, joyous baby, but a little rag doll, that didn't look at me,
that was slumped over, was completely limp."
Wanda Kaczynski, 60 Minutes Interview, dated Sept. 15, 1996
__________________________
"Feb. 24, 1943. Mother went to visit baby... Mother felt very sad about baby.
She says he is quite subdued, has lost his verve and aggressiveness and has
developed an institutionalized look.
March 12, 1943. Baby home from hospital and is healthy but quite unresponsive
after his experience. Hope his sudden removal to hospital and consequent
unhappiness will not harm him."
____________________________
"They were a happy family, a productive family, civic-minded, extremely
intellectual. Wanda was very interested in reading to the children. She read
Scientific American every month to Teddy. She was a born teacher. She was able
to translate those difficult subject matters into understandable language for
her son."
Dorothy O'Connell, family friend and neighbor in 1950s
____________________________
"DAVE characterized TED's hostility toward his parents as essentially
lifelong. He described an incident at the dinner table when TED was 12 or 13,
after the family had moved to Evergreen Park in Chicago. Their mother, WANDA,
was carrying a dish of hot food from the oven to the table, when TED stood and
drew her chair out for her in an apparently gentlemanly manner. When WANDA
smiled and began sitting down, TED jerked the chair out from under her and she
fell to the floor, while the dish fell onto the table. WANDA "began screaming"
at TED, while TED stood and laughed at her."
FBI Interview of David Kaczynski, dated February 24-25, 1996
____________________________"To encourage these earliest discoveries is to help
children develop not only specific skills but, just as important, the
personality traits that are essential to later learning.... These “megaskills”
... are also the foundation of self-respect and the moral, ethical and
spiritual codes that guide us through life."
Hillary Rodham Clinton, It Takes A Village: And Other Lessons Children Teach
Us (1996)
____________________________
The boys were raised Darwinian.
Keith Sorrick, Kaczynski family friend
____________________________
"The fact that I was able to admit to myself that there was no logical
justification for morality illustrates a very important trait of mine
... I have much less tendency to self-deception than most people. ...
Thus, I tended to feel that I was a particularly important person and
superior to most of the rest of the human race. ... It just came to me
as naturally as breathing to feel that I was someone special.
[No, this isn't JoeO, this is a
Journal entry by TK]
____________________________
"He had a pocket protector, the whole thing. We stuffed him in a locker one
time just for grins."
Raymond Janz, high school classmate
____________________________
"I don’t know whether he knew himself what was bothering him. All he knew, I
think, is that he felt rotten."
Wanda Kaczynski
[Note: it turns out that what was bothering him was that he wanted
to be a girl -- in college, he wanted a sex change operation.]
____________________________
"By the time I was, say, 12 years old, my system of morality had evolved into
an abstract, artificial construction that could not possibly be applied in
practice. I never told anyone about this system, since I knew they would never
take it seriously. After I had skipped 6th grade and begun feeling a great deal
of hostility toward many of my schoolmates, I developed a habit of trying to
find ways of justifying my hatred in terms of my moral system.
By and by I got bored with this game. One day when I was 13 years old, I was
walking down the street and saw a girl. Something about her appearance
antagonized measures and, from habit, I began looking for a way to justify
hating her, within my logical system. But then I stopped and said to myself,
'This is getting ridiculous. I'll just chuck all this silly morality business
and hate anybody I please.' Since then I have never had any interest in or
respect for morality, ethics, or anything of the sort."
Journal entry by Ted Kaczynski
____________________________
"My social self-esteem was destroyed by the age of 20."
Letter from Ted Kaczynski
____________________________
"This fear of rejection -- based on bitter experience both at home and at
school -- has ruined my life, except for the few years that I spent alone in
the woods, largely out of contact with people."
Letter from Ted Kaczynski
____________________________
"However, it is important to understand that, while on the level" of the
-intellect- and the -conscious will- I had completely rejected all morality and
all respect for authority, nevertheless on an -instinctive animal level- I was
still the slave of my early conditioning, so that I was very much afraid to
-act- contrary to the precepts of authority. For example, when I was, say,
15, I was full of contempt for the school authorities, and the rules they laid
down; but it would have been unthinkable for me to play hooky, and to have
failed a course would have been an unbearable shame. It was not that I
believed there was anything wrong with playing hooky; but (like Pavlov's dog
salivating at the sound of the bell) I…"
Journal entry by Ted Kaczynski
____________________________
He quoted one of the letters which TED sent to his parents as including the
sentence, "I can't wait until you die so I can spit on your corpse."
FBI Interview of David Kaczynski, dated February 24-25, 1996
____________________________
The resentment I have toward you will always remain, but your last letter does
soften my attitude a little. Enough anyway, so that I will take back what I
said about hoping you drop dead on Christmas -- cause it's true that you were
always good to me on Christmas.
Letter from Ted Kaczynski to his parents
____________________________
Unabomber Haiku
"Open your present..."
"No, you open your present..."
Kaczynski Christmas
Pete Watters
in rec.arts.books
____________________________
"The rejection I experienced at home and at school even affected
me physically, in case you wonder why Dave is three (3) inches taller
than I. I have brought up two (2) different studies that report to show that
rejection during adolescence tends to stunt growth."
Letter from Ted Kaczynski to his mother, Wanda
____________________________
"His feelings about our family bear no relationship to the reality of the
family life that we experienced."
David Kaczynski
____________________________
"Even if Ma dies, I don't want to hear about it."
Letter from Ted Kaczynski to David Kaczynski
____________________________
OK, now let's take your contention that because I was a `gloomy' etc. kid, the
parents had reason to believe I really was `sick' . . . Let's go even further
and assume I was a real nuthouse case -- let's suppose I went around insisting
that I was Napoleon Bonaparte. .... Far from justifying our parents'
behavior, that makes it even worse. They certainly knew enough to realize that
if someone really is mentally ill, one of the
worst things you can do to them is to shout at them in a hostile and
accusing manner, “You're sick! You're sick! You have the mind of a
two-year old!”
Letter from Ted Kaczynski to David Kaczynski
____________________________
Joe1orbit
>Joe,
> The most likely place to find the report in the near future is
>unabombertrial.com, managed by the Sacramento Bee.
Hello,
Thanks for the info. I will try to ckeck out that web page regularly. I am
very familiar with the Sacramento Bee online newspaper. It is a nicely
comprenensive online paper.
> The woman there, Brandye, is very responsive to requests for the
uploading
>of
>documents, even long ones.
Sounds good. But I won't be making any requests of her.
> I agree with you that TK also perceived >humiliations at home.
He did.
>Let me post some journal entries, though, that shed light on his feelings
>toward his parents and his anger over his mistreatment >by his classmates.
I appreciate your lengthy posts, and I agree that Ted had a lot of
justifiable rage and hate, towards a lot of different people who played a role
in his life. But the overiding, defining relationship, and the people who
played the greatest role in shaping and molded his character,were his parents.
The adult humans to whom he was enslaved and beholden, from birth onward.
> He
>mainly didn't get along with his parents because of their liberal political
>beliefs.
That is LONG AFTER he had already established a set relationship with them.
On an internal, emotional level, he felt rage and hate towards them, and
suffered trauma and pain inflicted by them, deliberately or inadvertantly, long
before he even began seriously thinking about politics.
Take care, JOE
Joe1orbit
jjo...@richnet.net (John Jones) Wrote:
Joe1...@aol.com Wrote:
>> Hello John,
>>
>> Yes, Ted Kaczynski, victim of your society, possess the brilliant insight
>and
>>self-love to direct his blame at the human beings who are most directly
>>responsible for molding, shaping, and making him into a serial
>killer/bomber.
>>>Bullshit
>> You are entitled to your prejudiced, hypocritical, >>uninsightful, opinion.
jjo...@richnet.net (John Jones) Wrote:
>You are correct. I am.
Hello John,
Yes, you certainly are.
>>>When are these "poor victims" going to accept responsibility for their
>>>own actions?
>> Ted Kaczynski is a victim and a creation of your society. He is now MORE
>of a
>>victim than any of the people he killed, due to your society's decision to
>>punitively punish him. He knew 30 years ago that he had an absolute right to
>>seek and claim violent vengeance through serial murder. I am sure he knows
>this
>>today as well. And I continue to salute his brilliant insight and his rare
>>choice to properly direct his rage and hate outward, >>rather than inward.
>Haha! Face up to it, you are as much of a part of "My" society as
>anyone else posting here.
No, I'm not. I live my life fully detached and apart from all aspects of your
society, it's teachings, customs, mores, etc... I excommunicate myself totally,
from your society, at age 13-14.
>Whether you say you are or not is a moot
>point.
Whether you accept the Truth that I gave you, is meaningless abd irrelevent
to me.
> And no...Teddy did not have a right to murder anyone.
He did. He knows that he did. And right now, countless thousands of enraged
predators who stalk your world know that they too have an absolute right to
commit murder.
>>>Nobody turned Teddy into anything...he did it all by
>>>himself.
>> That is an INSANE statement. But it's not an unusual one. It's a very
>yypical
>>mindset among the brainwashed and beholden societal slaves, who refuse to
>face
>>up to the malevolence of their society and the absolutely undeniable True
>>Reality right of VICTIMS like Ted to seek and claim violent vengeance
>against
>>the society that is guilty of and responsible for, having created them.
>Insane? Whatever you say, tough guy.
I say the Truth.
>Brainwashed? I think not.
It makes no difference what you think or what you believe or what mental
illness you suffer from. The Truth stands.
>Waittaminute.....I see that aol.com in your
>address. This must mean that you are a Steve Case accolyte. Poor, sad
>little lemming.
Whatever I am, your society created me.
>What is this "True Reality" garbage?
Go to http://www.dejanews.com, and read the 10,000 posts that I have made
over the past 23 months. I have no intention of wasting my time in repeating
myself to a brainwashed Inferior.
> I'll bet you got that out of an
>L. Ron Hubbard book, didn't you?
No, I didn't.
>>>This is what is wrong.......nobody is willing to accept
>>>responsibility for one's deeds.....instead, it is
>>>always...."Uh...he/she made me do it".....absolute bullshit.
>> No, what is wrong within your diseased society is the refusal of your
>society
>>and humans like you to accept the fact that YOU are far more malevolent and
>>evil, and far more GUILTY of brutally perverse crimes, in what you FORCED
>Ted
>>to endure in his life, from birth onward, than Ted could >>ever hope to be.
>Life is full of tough breaks...isn't it?
Yes, it is. Your society chooses to IMPOSE tough breaks, as you so stupidly
put it, upon it's citizen-slaves.
>Would you care for a little cheese with that w(h)ine?
No. I am proud to express the Truth, and do not mind at all when a societal
slave accuses me of being a whiner.
>> Ted bears no more "responsibility" for his actions and his lot in life,
>than
>>does a US Army recruit who was sent unto Vietnam and lost both his legs to a
>>Vietnamese hand grenade.
>Now you ARE teetering over the absurdity precipice.
No, I am simply expressing logical, rational, and true facts. Unfortunately
you are a creation of an irrational, hypocritical, lie-based society. Therefore
you cannot be expected to recognize, much less accept, the brilliant truth of
my above insight.
>>>Poor Teddy needs to own up to what he did.....and take the
>>>consequences for it.
>> No, he doesn't. I hope he ALWAYS recognizes and appreciates that he had an
>>absolute right to embark upon a 30+ year rage and hate filled path of
>attempted
>>murder against the society that created him. I hope he never feels even a
>>twinge of guilt. Because he is not guilty of ANYTHING other than having had
>the
>>misfortune of being born into a perverse, malevolent, immoral, lie-based,
>and
>>hypocritical society.
>You need to take at least a 10mg Valium.
No, I do not alter my brain chemistry via any type of drug, legal or illegal,
or any other substance. Only Inferior humans do that.
> Take it easy, Herr Goebbels.
I'll take life as I see fit.
>Teddy is just where he should be....bad karma, I guess.
No. He SHOULD be at a nuclear missile launch facility, with his finger on a
button that can launch a thermonuclear device and destroy your entire society.
>Hey....why
>don't you go visit him?
I don't get along with any humans. Although I certainly think I would enjoy
such a visit, within my emotional limitations.
>Take him some candy corn or circus peanuts as
>a little token of your esteem. Might cheer him up.
No. My words of respect and admiration and understanding would be the primary
token of my appreciation for Ted's True Reality and life choices.
>> Take care, JOE
>I always do.
Me too.
Take care, JOE
RossGetman
>mainly didn't get along with his parents because of their liberal political
>beliefs.
Joe writes:
"That is LONG AFTER he had already established a set relationship with them.
On an internal, emotional level, he felt rage and hate towards them, and
suffered trauma and pain inflicted by them, deliberately or inadvertently, long
before he even began seriously thinking about politics."
That's a fair point. But turning to a different issue: who's abusing who?
It's he who was
abusive to Wanda. Very abusive. It makes me
sad to think of how petty and mean he was/is to her.
If she had been so abusive, he would not have regularly written her such long
letters about shared interests, as when he sent her a copy of his 23-page 1971
essay.
John Jones
>
> jjo...@richnet.net (John Jones) Wrote:
>
>>>>So poor Teddy blames his parents....eh?
>
>Joe1...@aol.com Wrote:
>
>>> Hello John,
>>>
>>> Yes, Ted Kaczynski, victim of your society, possess the brilliant insight
>>and
>>>self-love to direct his blame at the human beings who are most directly
>>>responsible for molding, shaping, and making him into a serial
>>killer/bomber.
>
>>>>Bullshit
>
>>> You are entitled to your prejudiced, hypocritical, >>uninsightful, opinion.
>
>
> jjo...@richnet.net (John Jones) Wrote:
>
>>You are correct. I am.
>
> Hello John,
>
> Yes, you certainly are.
I am glad that you agree with me.
>>>>When are these "poor victims" going to accept responsibility for their
>>>>own actions?
>
>>> Ted Kaczynski is a victim and a creation of your society. He is now MORE
>>of a
>>>victim than any of the people he killed, due to your society's decision to
>>>punitively punish him. He knew 30 years ago that he had an absolute right to
>>>seek and claim violent vengeance through serial murder. I am sure he knows
>>this
>>>today as well. And I continue to salute his brilliant insight and his rare
>>>choice to properly direct his rage and hate outward, >>rather than inward.
>
>>Haha! Face up to it, you are as much of a part of "My" society as
>>anyone else posting here.
>
> No, I'm not. I live my life fully detached and apart from all aspects of your
>society, it's teachings, customs, mores, etc... I excommunicate myself totally,
>from your society, at age 13-14.
Look up the word "excommunicate" before you use it.
>>Whether you say you are or not is a moot
>>point.
>
> Whether you accept the Truth that I gave you, is meaningless abd irrelevent
>to me.
You gave me nothing but irrelevant nonsense.
>> And no...Teddy did not have a right to murder anyone.
>
> He did. He knows that he did. And right now, countless thousands of enraged
>predators who stalk your world know that they too have an absolute right to
>commit murder.
Tell ya what......why don't you go commit a murder. Then tell me what
rights you have after you are caught.
>>>>Nobody turned Teddy into anything...he did it all by
>>>>himself.
>
>>> That is an INSANE statement. But it's not an unusual one. It's a very
>>yypical
>>>mindset among the brainwashed and beholden societal slaves, who refuse to
>>face
>>>up to the malevolence of their society and the absolutely undeniable True
>>>Reality right of VICTIMS like Ted to seek and claim violent vengeance
>>against
>>>the society that is guilty of and responsible for, having created them.
>
>>Insane? Whatever you say, tough guy.
>
> I say the Truth.
Who's truth? If you believe that what you say is the truth, then you
should check out thorazine.
>>Brainwashed? I think not.
>
> It makes no difference what you think or what you believe or what mental
>illness you suffer from. The Truth stands.
I suffer from nothing. It is you, Joe, that suffer from delusions of
Godhood.
>>Waittaminute.....I see that aol.com in your
>>address. This must mean that you are a Steve Case accolyte. Poor, sad
>>little lemming.
>
> Whatever I am, your society created me.
Nope. You created yourself. Poor lemming.
>>What is this "True Reality" garbage?
>
> Go to http://www.dejanews.com, and read the 10,000 posts that I have made
>over the past 23 months. I have no intention of wasting my time in repeating
>myself to a brainwashed Inferior.
I shall not waste my time. I know what you post. You, as I said, are
an accolyte for Steve Case. Sad, strange little person.
>> I'll bet you got that out of an
>>L. Ron Hubbard book, didn't you?
>
> No, I didn't.
>
>>>>This is what is wrong.......nobody is willing to accept
>>>>responsibility for one's deeds.....instead, it is
>>>>always...."Uh...he/she made me do it".....absolute bullshit.
>
>>> No, what is wrong within your diseased society is the refusal of your
>>society
>>>and humans like you to accept the fact that YOU are far more malevolent and
>>>evil, and far more GUILTY of brutally perverse crimes, in what you FORCED
>>Ted
>>>to endure in his life, from birth onward, than Ted could >>ever hope to be.
>
>>Life is full of tough breaks...isn't it?
>
> Yes, it is. Your society chooses to IMPOSE tough breaks, as you so stupidly
>put it, upon it's citizen-slaves.
No....Joey....You chose to accept tough breaks. Lemming.
>>Would you care for a little cheese with that w(h)ine?
>
> No. I am proud to express the Truth, and do not mind at all when a societal
>slave accuses me of being a whiner.
The Truth, as you Joe, aka Joey Christ, accepts it.
>>> Ted bears no more "responsibility" for his actions and his lot in life,
>>than
>>>does a US Army recruit who was sent unto Vietnam and lost both his legs to a
>>>Vietnamese hand grenade.
>
>>Now you ARE teetering over the absurdity precipice.
>
> No, I am simply expressing logical, rational, and true facts. Unfortunately
>you are a creation of an irrational, hypocritical, lie-based society. Therefore
>you cannot be expected to recognize, much less accept, the brilliant truth of
>my above insight.
No....I am a creation of myself, as are you...Einstein.
>>>>Poor Teddy needs to own up to what he did.....and take the
>>>>consequences for it.
>
>>> No, he doesn't. I hope he ALWAYS recognizes and appreciates that he had an
>>>absolute right to embark upon a 30+ year rage and hate filled path of
>>attempted
>>>murder against the society that created him. I hope he never feels even a
>>>twinge of guilt. Because he is not guilty of ANYTHING other than having had
>>the
>>>misfortune of being born into a perverse, malevolent, immoral, lie-based,
>>and
>>>hypocritical society.
>
>>You need to take at least a 10mg Valium.
>
> No, I do not alter my brain chemistry via any type of drug, legal or illegal,
>or any other substance. Only Inferior humans do that.
Well, then maybe you should try de-caf.
>> Take it easy, Herr Goebbels.
>
> I'll take life as I see fit.
As should anyone.
>>Teddy is just where he should be....bad karma, I guess.
>
> No. He SHOULD be at a nuclear missile launch facility, with his finger on a
>button that can launch a thermonuclear device and destroy your entire society.
But if it destroyed "My" society, it would destroy you as well.
>>Hey....why
>>don't you go visit him?
>
> I don't get along with any humans. Although I certainly think I would enjoy
>such a visit, within my emotional limitations.
Maybe you should stop "spanking the monkey" so much. Loosen up. Get a
limbo stick, Chachi.
>>Take him some candy corn or circus peanuts as
>>a little token of your esteem. Might cheer him up.
>
> No. My words of respect and admiration and understanding would be the primary
>token of my appreciation for Ted's True Reality and life choices.
Just think. He could have blown your balls off. Then it would be a
rather useless waste of time to play with your weenus.
>>> Take care, JOE
>
>>I always do.
>
> Me too.
Glad for you
> Take care, JOE
I always do
Joe1orbit
Joe1...@aol.com Wrote:
>>
>>>> Hello John,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Ted Kaczynski, victim of your society, possess the brilliant
>insight
>>>and
>>>>self-love to direct his blame at the human beings who are most directly
>>>>responsible for molding, shaping, and making him into a serial
>>>killer/bomber.
jjo...@richnet.net (John Jones) Wrote:
>>>>>Bullshit
>>>> You are entitled to your prejudiced, hypocritical, >>uninsightful,
>opinion.
jjo...@richnet.net (John Jones) Wrote:
>>>You are correct. I am.
Joe1...@aol.com Wrote:
>> Hello John,
>>
>> Yes, you certainly are.
jjo...@richnet.net (John Jones) Wrote:
>I am glad that you agree with me.
Hello John,
Your question was answered. I do not engage in ongoing posts with trolls.
>>>>>When are these "poor victims" going to accept responsibility for their
>>>>>own actions?
>>>> Ted Kaczynski is a victim and a creation of your society. He is now MORE
>>>of a
>>>>victim than any of the people he killed, due to your society's decision to
>>>>punitively punish him. He knew 30 years ago that he had an absolute right
>to
>>>>seek and claim violent vengeance through serial murder. I am sure he knows
>>>this
>>>>today as well. And I continue to salute his brilliant insight and his rare
>>>>choice to properly direct his rage and hate outward, >>rather than inward.
>>>Haha! Face up to it, you are as much of a part of "My" society as
>>>anyone else posting here.
>> No, I'm not. I live my life fully detached and apart from all aspects of
>your
>>society, it's teachings, customs, mores, etc... I excommunicate myself
>totally,
>>from your society, at age 13-14.
>Look up the word "excommunicate" before you use it.
No. I am perfectly happy with my usage of the word.
>>>Whether you say you are or not is a moot
>>>point.
>> Whether you accept the Truth that I gave you, is meaningless abd
>irrelevent
>>to me.
>You gave me nothing but irrelevant nonsense.
That is what you are expected to think, being the Inferior societal slave
that you are.
>>> And no...Teddy did not have a right to murder >>>anyone.
>> He did. He knows that he did. And right now, countless thousands of
>enraged
>>predators who stalk your world know that they too have an absolute right to
>>commit murder.
>Tell ya what......why don't you go commit a murder. Then tell me what
>rights you have after you are caught.
I don't need to commit murder to know that I have an absolute True Reality
right to do so.
>>>>>Nobody turned Teddy into anything...he did it all by
>>>>>himself.
>>>> That is an INSANE statement. But it's not an unusual one. It's a very
>>>yypical
>>>>mindset among the brainwashed and beholden societal slaves, who refuse to
>>>face
>>>>up to the malevolence of their society and the absolutely undeniable True
>>>>Reality right of VICTIMS like Ted to seek and claim violent vengeance
>>>against
>>>>the society that is guilty of and responsible for, having created them.
>>>Insane? Whatever you say, tough guy.
>> I say the Truth.
>Who's truth?
THE Truth.
> If you believe that what you say is the truth, then you
>should check out thorazine.
I absolutely believe that every word I say is the Truth. Your opinion of what
I might need is meaningless and irrelevent.
>>>Brainwashed? I think not.
>> It makes no difference what you think or what you believe or what mental
>>illness you suffer from. The Truth stands.
>I suffer from nothing.
Yes you do. But don't worry, your society SUPPORTS and encourages your mental
illness.
>It is you, Joe, that suffer from delusions of
>Godhood.
No, I only suffer from the ability to brilliantly analyze and dissect all of
the lies, hypocrisy, and irrationality that your society is based upon and that
you citizen-slaves are forced to accept, following a lifetime of malevolent
brainwashing that is begun when you are born.
>>>Waittaminute.....I see that aol.com in your
>>>address. This must mean that you are a Steve Case accolyte. Poor, sad
>>>little lemming.
>> Whatever I am, your society created me.
>Nope. You created yourself. Poor lemming.
I do not repeat myself.
>>>What is this "True Reality" garbage?
>> Go to http://www.dejanews.com, and read the 10,000 posts that I have made
>>over the past 23 months. I have no intention of wasting my time in repeating
>>myself to a brainwashed Inferior.
>I shall not waste my time.
Then DON'T try to waste MY time with off-topic troll posts directed towards
me.
> I know what you post. You, as I said, are
>an accolyte for Steve Case. Sad, strange little person.
You are free to see me and to interpret my brilliant insights and courageous
Truths in whatever fashion your own mind dictates. It is of no interest to me.
>>> I'll bet you got that out of an
>>>L. Ron Hubbard book, didn't you?
>> No, I didn't.
>>>>>This is what is wrong.......nobody is willing to accept
>>>>>responsibility for one's deeds.....instead, it is
>>>>>always...."Uh...he/she made me do it".....absolute bullshit.
>>>> No, what is wrong within your diseased society is the refusal of your
>>>society
>>>>and humans like you to accept the fact that YOU are far more malevolent
>and
>>>>evil, and far more GUILTY of brutally perverse crimes, in what you FORCED
>>>Ted
>>>>to endure in his life, from birth onward, than Ted could >>ever hope to
>be.
>>
>>>Life is full of tough breaks...isn't it?
>> Yes, it is. Your society chooses to IMPOSE tough breaks, as you so
>stupidly
>>put it, upon it's citizen-slaves.
>No....Joey....You chose to accept tough breaks. >Lemming.
I am a VICTIM of your society. I will always be a victim. Even if I launch a
thermonuclear bomb and destroy the planet, I would still be a victim of
society. I am not perverse enough to even think of DENYING the fact that I am a
victim. Your malevolent society of course, encourages ALL of it's victims to
DENY the truth and to "rise above" their suffering. How ridiculously PERVERSE
it is that most victims actually do embrace this message from the very society
that chose to make them victims, in the first place.
>>>Would you care for a little cheese with that w(h)ine?
>> No. I am proud to express the Truth, and do not mind at all when a
>societal
>>slave accuses me of being a whiner.
>The Truth, as you Joe, aka Joey Christ, accepts it.
I am FAR superior to jesus christ, who was nothing more than an idealistic,
naive, human being.
>>>> Ted bears no more "responsibility" for his actions and his lot in life,
>>>than
>>>>does a US Army recruit who was sent unto Vietnam and lost both his legs to
>a
>>>>Vietnamese hand grenade.
>>>Now you ARE teetering over the absurdity precipice.
>> No, I am simply expressing logical, rational, and true facts.
>Unfortunately
>>you are a creation of an irrational, hypocritical, lie-based society.
>Therefore
>>you cannot be expected to recognize, much less accept, the brilliant truth
>of
>>my above insight.
>No....I am a creation of myself, as are you...Einstein.
Amazing! You have NO insight into the fact that you are a creation of your
society. How pathetic.
>>>>>Poor Teddy needs to own up to what he did.....and take the
>>>>>consequences for it.
>>>> No, he doesn't. I hope he ALWAYS recognizes and appreciates that he had
>an
>>>>absolute right to embark upon a 30+ year rage and hate filled path of
>>>attempted
>>>>murder against the society that created him. I hope he never feels even a
>>>>twinge of guilt. Because he is not guilty of ANYTHING other than having
>had
>>>the
>>>>misfortune of being born into a perverse, malevolent, immoral, lie-based,
>>>and
>>>>hypocritical society.
>>>You need to take at least a 10mg Valium.
>> No, I do not alter my brain chemistry via any type of drug, legal or
>illegal,
>>or any other substance. Only Inferior humans do that.
>Well, then maybe you should try de-caf.
I have never gotten drunk or high in my life, and I do not even drink Pepsi
or Coke regularly, much less coffee, due to the fact that they contain
caffeine, which is an artifical brain stimulant.
>>> Take it easy, Herr Goebbels.
>> I'll take life as I see fit.
>As should anyone.
Yes.
>>>Teddy is just where he should be....bad karma, I >>>guess.
>> No. He SHOULD be at a nuclear missile launch facility, with his finger on
>a
>>button that can launch a thermonuclear device and destroy your entire
>society.
>But if it destroyed "My" society, it would destroy you as >well.
It would be worth it. I could die at peace, if I knew that the entire human
race would be extincted, within a few days or weeks of my own death.
>>>Hey....why
>>>don't you go visit him?
>> I don't get along with any humans. Although I certainly think I would
>enjoy
>>such a visit, within my emotional limitations.
>Maybe you should stop "spanking the monkey" so much.
No. I masturbate 3-6 during every 24 hour time period, and intend to continue
doing so.
>Loosen up. Get a
>limbo stick, Chachi.
Soul dead human beings do not dance.
>>>Take him some candy corn or circus peanuts as
>>>a little token of your esteem. Might cheer him up.
>> No. My words of respect and admiration and understanding would be the
>primary
>>token of my appreciation for Ted's True Reality and life choices.
>Just think. He could have blown your balls off.
And he had every RIGHT to try and kill me. Just as I have every right to
fight for and defend my life, as well as to try and kill others, if I so
choose.
>Then it would be a
>rather useless waste of time to play with your weenus.
If I had the ability to masturbate to climax 3-6 times a day, which I
currently do, I would. If I couldn't do so, I obviously wouldn't.
>>>> Take care, JOE
>>>I always do.
>> Me too.
>Glad for you
Makes no difference if you are glad or not.
But be advised that I will NOT waste another 30 minutes of my precious time
in repeating myself to you, with this type of a reply.
Take care, JOE
Joe1orbit
>> He
>>mainly didn't get along with his parents because of their liberal political
>>beliefs.
Joe1...@aol.com writes:
> "That is LONG AFTER he had already established a set relationship with
>them.
>On an internal, emotional level, he felt rage and hate towards them, and
>suffered trauma and pain inflicted by them, deliberately or inadvertently,
>long
>before he even began seriously thinking about politics."
rossg...@aol.com (RossGetman) Wrote:
>That's a fair point.
Hello,
Yes, it is. Fair and accurate.
> But turning to a different issue: who's abusing who?
Ted was abused and traumatized as a CHILD. Whatever abuse and pain and DEATH
he chose to inflict upon others in his later adolescence and adulthood, is a
reflection of his own childhood abuse, forcibly inflicted upon him.
>It's he who was
>abusive to Wanda. Very abusive.
Yes, I agree. So what? He reflected the abuse and trauma that he was forced
to endure, upon Wanda.
> It makes me
>sad to think of how petty and mean he was/is to her.
He had and has every right to be petty and mean to her, based upon his own
childhood abuse and suffering.
>If she had been so abusive, he would not have regularly written her such long
>letters about shared interests, as when he sent her a copy of his 23-page
>1971
>essay.
That's probably true. Most victims seek to victimize others. They don't want
to be victimized anymore, themselves. This is true for the more insightful and
analytical victims especially, like Ted is/was. Whether she was directly
abusive to him, on an ongoing basis, has no bearing upon his True Reality
right to be abusive towards her.
Take care, JOE
RossGetman
What evidence do you have that his parents were abusive to him?
What specific examples can you offer? If there aren't even specific examples
cited by TK, might not his general, yet unsupported, allegation to that effect
be one of his personality defects?
Joe1orbit
>Joe,
> What evidence do you have that his parents were abusive to him?
>What specific examples can you offer?
Hello,
I do not need any evidence. And any evidence I provide can be easily
disputed. The fact is that every enraged predator is victimized during
childhood. In 99.9% of all cases, the parents or other close family members
play a pivotal and deciding role in causing the child to suffer abuse, trauma,
and injustice. I choose to lump in Ted with the other 99.9%. Whether or not he
details all of his abuse, whether or not he claims that his parents were good
to him, is irrelevent. Only he knows the Truth, at his core. And there is a
good chance that even Ted is not truly in touch with the type of brutally
destructive experiences he has endured, from birth onward, at the hands of his
parents.
> If there aren't even specific examples
>cited by TK, might not his general, yet unsupported, allegation to that
>effect
>be one of his personality defects?
No. The fact that Ted even SUGGESTS that his parents played a role in making
him into an enraged killer, suggests that he was SEVERELY abused and
traumatized by them, and is only revealing the tip of an iceberg. Very possibly
he has suppressed most of the abuse incidents, and is not consciously aware of
them, or he is aware of them but chooses NOT to share them with you humans, for
the same reason that he chose not to tell that psych doctor decades ago, before
he embarked upon his killing spree, that he wanted to undergo a sex change
operation.
Take care, JOE
RossGetman
(If you go there, e-mail them a thank you).
Main site (it would be in the "Documents" section-
http://www.unabombertrial.com/
Erik H. reports that it will be linked here once it's available:
http://www.cs.umass.edu/~ehaugsja/unabom/
docs/johnson.html
--
>From: SacBee [to Erik H.]
>Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:16:09 -0700
>
>Thanks for writing. We're scanning it in now and will be posting it by
>mid-week.
John Jones
> jjo...@richnet.net (John Jones) Wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>So poor Teddy blames his parents....eh?
>
>Joe1...@aol.com Wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Hello John,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, Ted Kaczynski, victim of your society, possess the brilliant
>>insight
>>>>and
>>>>>self-love to direct his blame at the human beings who are most directly
>>>>>responsible for molding, shaping, and making him into a serial
>>>>killer/bomber.
>
> jjo...@richnet.net (John Jones) Wrote:
>
>>>>>>Bullshit
>
>>>>> You are entitled to your prejudiced, hypocritical, >>uninsightful,
>>opinion.
>
> jjo...@richnet.net (John Jones) Wrote:
>
>>>>You are correct. I am.
>
>Joe1...@aol.com Wrote:
>
>>> Hello John,
>>>
>>> Yes, you certainly are.
>
> jjo...@richnet.net (John Jones) Wrote:
>
>>I am glad that you agree with me.
>
> Hello John,
>
> Your question was answered. I do not engage in ongoing posts with trolls.
I don't believe I asked a question here, Joey.....learn to read for
comprehension.
>>>>>>When are these "poor victims" going to accept responsibility for their
>>>>>>own actions?
>
>>>>> Ted Kaczynski is a victim and a creation of your society. He is now MORE
>>>>of a
>>>>>victim than any of the people he killed, due to your society's decision to
>>>>>punitively punish him. He knew 30 years ago that he had an absolute right
>>to
>>>>>seek and claim violent vengeance through serial murder. I am sure he knows
>>>>this
>>>>>today as well. And I continue to salute his brilliant insight and his rare
>>>>>choice to properly direct his rage and hate outward, >>rather than inward.
>
>>>>Haha! Face up to it, you are as much of a part of "My" society as
>>>>anyone else posting here.
>
>>> No, I'm not. I live my life fully detached and apart from all aspects of
>>your
>>>society, it's teachings, customs, mores, etc... I excommunicate myself
>>totally,
>>>from your society, at age 13-14.
>
>>Look up the word "excommunicate" before you use it.
>
> No. I am perfectly happy with my usage of the word.
You may be, but you still don't know what the word means.
>>>>Whether you say you are or not is a moot
>>>>point.
>
>>> Whether you accept the Truth that I gave you, is meaningless abd
>>irrelevent
>>>to me.
Your Truth and nothing like the truth.
>>You gave me nothing but irrelevant nonsense.
>
> That is what you are expected to think, being the Inferior societal slave
>that you are.
Says you.....
>>>> And no...Teddy did not have a right to murder >>>anyone.
>
>>> He did. He knows that he did. And right now, countless thousands of
>>enraged
>>>predators who stalk your world know that they too have an absolute right to
>>>commit murder.
>
>>Tell ya what......why don't you go commit a murder. Then tell me what
>>rights you have after you are caught.
>
> I don't need to commit murder to know that I have an absolute True Reality
>right to do so.
Then do it, Joey.
>>>>>>Nobody turned Teddy into anything...he did it all by
>>>>>>himself.
>
>>>>> That is an INSANE statement. But it's not an unusual one. It's a very
>>>>yypical
>>>>>mindset among the brainwashed and beholden societal slaves, who refuse to
>>>>face
>>>>>up to the malevolence of their society and the absolutely undeniable True
>>>>>Reality right of VICTIMS like Ted to seek and claim violent vengeance
>>>>against
>>>>>the society that is guilty of and responsible for, having created them.
>
>>>>Insane? Whatever you say, tough guy.
>
>>> I say the Truth.
>
>>Who's truth?
>
> THE Truth.
Uhhh....ok,
>> If you believe that what you say is the truth, then you
>>should check out thorazine.
>
> I absolutely believe that every word I say is the Truth. Your opinion of what
>I might need is meaningless and irrelevent.
You go...girlfriend.
>>>>Brainwashed? I think not.
>
>>> It makes no difference what you think or what you believe or what mental
>>>illness you suffer from. The Truth stands.
>
>>I suffer from nothing.
>
> Yes you do. But don't worry, your society SUPPORTS and encourages your mental
>illness.
I am not the one who advocates murder, Joey.
>>It is you, Joe, that suffer from delusions of
>>Godhood.
>
> No, I only suffer from the ability to brilliantly analyze and dissect all of
>the lies, hypocrisy, and irrationality that your society is based upon and that
>you citizen-slaves are forced to accept, following a lifetime of malevolent
>brainwashing that is begun when you are born.
Ja wohl!
>>>>Waittaminute.....I see that aol.com in your
>>>>address. This must mean that you are a Steve Case accolyte. Poor, sad
>>>>little lemming.
>
>>> Whatever I am, your society created me.
>
>>Nope. You created yourself. Poor lemming.
>
> I do not repeat myself.
Actually, you do......as someone else already pointed out.
>>>>What is this "True Reality" garbage?
>
>>> Go to http://www.dejanews.com, and read the 10,000 posts that I have made
>>>over the past 23 months. I have no intention of wasting my time in repeating
>>>myself to a brainwashed Inferior.
>
>>I shall not waste my time.
>
> Then DON'T try to waste MY time with off-topic troll posts directed towards
>me.
But it wasn't a troll, Joey. It was a rebuttal to your nonsensical
opinion, which I have every right to post, as well as do you.
>> I know what you post. You, as I said, are
>>an accolyte for Steve Case. Sad, strange little person.
>
> You are free to see me and to interpret my brilliant insights and courageous
>Truths in whatever fashion your own mind dictates. It is of no interest to me.
It must be. You take time out of your busy......schedule to reply.
Poor little victimized Joey. Here's a cyber-shoulder for you to cry
on. "There-there".
>>>>Would you care for a little cheese with that w(h)ine?
>
>>> No. I am proud to express the Truth, and do not mind at all when a
>>societal
>>>slave accuses me of being a whiner.
>
>>The Truth, as you Joe, aka Joey Christ, accepts it.
>
> I am FAR superior to jesus christ, who was nothing more than an idealistic,
>naive, human being.
As you are nothing more than an idealistic, naive human being, you
cannot be better.
>>>>> Ted bears no more "responsibility" for his actions and his lot in life,
>>>>than
>>>>>does a US Army recruit who was sent unto Vietnam and lost both his legs to
>>a
>>>>>Vietnamese hand grenade.
>
>>>>Now you ARE teetering over the absurdity precipice.
>
>>> No, I am simply expressing logical, rational, and true facts.
>>Unfortunately
>>>you are a creation of an irrational, hypocritical, lie-based society.
>>Therefore
>>>you cannot be expected to recognize, much less accept, the brilliant truth
>>of
>>>my above insight.
>
>>No....I am a creation of myself, as are you...Einstein.
>
> Amazing! You have NO insight into the fact that you are a creation of your
>society. How pathetic.
One can be what one chooses to be. And if you don't understand that
concept, Joey...then YOU are pathetic.
You would undoubtedly poop your pants, if you knew it was coming.
>>>>Hey....why
>>>>don't you go visit him?
>
>>> I don't get along with any humans. Although I certainly think I would
>>enjoy
>>>such a visit, within my emotional limitations.
Watch "Blue's Clues" or something of that nature. It will cheer you
right up.
>>Maybe you should stop "spanking the monkey" so much.
>
> No. I masturbate 3-6 during every 24 hour time period, and intend to continue
>doing so.
You masturbate a lot of people in a 24 hour period.
>>Loosen up. Get a
>>limbo stick, Chachi.
>
> Soul dead human beings do not dance.
Have no fear......brain dead human beings usually don't either.
>>>>Take him some candy corn or circus peanuts as
>>>>a little token of your esteem. Might cheer him up.
>
>>> No. My words of respect and admiration and understanding would be the
>>primary
>>>token of my appreciation for Ted's True Reality and life choices.
Joe: "Hi Ted, wanna see me beat off?"
>>Just think. He could have blown your balls off.
>
> And he had every RIGHT to try and kill me. Just as I have every right to
>fight for and defend my life, as well as to try and kill others, if I so
>choose.
As I said before, Joey, do it.....see what rights you'll have.
>>Then it would be a
>>rather useless waste of time to play with your weenus.
>
> If I had the ability to masturbate to climax 3-6 times a day, which I
>currently do, I would. If I couldn't do so, I obviously wouldn't.
Oh...that's what you meant by 3-6
>>>>> Take care, JOE
>
>>>>I always do.
>
>>> Me too.
>
>>Glad for you
>
> Makes no difference if you are glad or not.
Just thought I'd share with you, Joey.
> But be advised that I will NOT waste another 30 minutes of my precious time
>in repeating myself to you, with this type of a reply.
You wasted a precious 30 minutes of your time for me, Joey? How
touching.
Joe1orbit
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This new policy takes effect immediately, and will remain in effect for the
foreseeable future.
Take care, JOE
jjo...@richnet.net (John Jones) Wrote:
>>>>>>>So poor Teddy blames his parents....eh?
Joe1...@aol.com Wrote:
>>>>>> Hello John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, Ted Kaczynski, victim of your society, possess the brilliant
>>>insight
>>>>>and
>>>>>>self-love to direct his blame at the human beings who are most directly
>>>>>>responsible for molding, shaping, and making him into a serial
>>>>>killer/bomber.
jjo...@richnet.net (John Jones) Wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>Bullshit
Joe1...@aol.com Wrote:
>>>>>> You are entitled to your prejudiced, hypocritical, >>uninsightful,
>>>opinion.
jjo...@richnet.net (John Jones) Wrote:
>>
>>>>>You are correct. I am.
Joe1...@aol.com Wrote:
>>
>>>> Hello John,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you certainly are.
jjo...@richnet.net (John Jones) Wrote:
>>>I am glad that you agree with me.
Joe1...@aol.com Wrote:
>> Hello John,
>>
>> Your question was answered. I do not engage in >>ongoing posts with trolls.
jjo...@richnet.net (John Jones) Wrote:
>Says you.....
>Then do it, Joey.
>>>> I say the Truth.
>>>Who's truth?
>> THE Truth.
>Uhhh....ok,
>You go...girlfriend.
>>>>>Brainwashed? I think not.
>>>I suffer from nothing.
>Ja wohl!
>>>> No, I didn't.
>>>As should anyone.
>> Yes.
>>>>>> Take care, JOE
>>>>>I always do.
>>>> Me too.
>>>Glad for you
>>>I always do
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Joe1orbit
>The Sacramento Bee is uploading the report. Will be up later mid-week.
>(If you go there, e-mail them a thank you).
Hello,
Thanks very much for the info. I certainly do intend to go and read the full
report, sometime soon. I MIGHT e-mail them a Thank You, but then again, I might
not. We'll have to see how my mood is. It is not in my nature to send
unsolicited e-mail.
>Main site (it would be in the "Documents" section-
>http://www.unabombertrial.com/
>
>Erik H. reports that it will be linked here once it's available:
>
>http://www.cs.umass.edu/~ehaugsja/unabom/
>docs/johnson.html
I appreciate the info. Always very eager to read about serial and mass
killers, and this psych report will hopefully contain some additional direct
quotes of Ted's, that weren't given in the news wire and newspaper articles
that I've read in recent days.
Take care, JOE