"dirty sex details" of the Kobe Bryant sexual assualt case
Lady Libra
radio show (heard at 7:15 p.m. Pacific time on KFI-AM in Los Angeles) the
most provocative "dirty sex details" of the Kobe Bryant sexual assualt case
so far.
Excerpt: "I've decided to reveal some of the dirty sex details of the case.
I have been told it's anal sex. ... My sources have been telling me.
"That's why it's going to be controversial when it goes to trial. It's what
is causing people a lot of uncomfortable feelings.
"Some of the details (of the case) are explosive. Dateline (NBC) had some of
this information and decided not to air it. ... This speculation is quite
solid from where I sit."
Drudge's revelation is nothing new to people frequenting message boards and
newsgroups on the internet - but it does mark the first time someone has
reported it (anal sex) via a mainstream media outlet.
http://sportsbybrooks.com/mattdrudge.html
stargazer
"Lady Libra" <shor...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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I'd be willing to guess there are lots of 'injuries' then. And I'd also be
willing to guess this goes a long way towards proving rape.
sg
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Michael Snyder
stargazer wrote in message ...
Anal sex proves rape. Uh-huh. Right.
I'd say what it proves is -- if she was partying and bragging about it
less than 24 hours later, then she wasn't in a great deal of pain.
Probably because she was accustomed to doing anal sex.
stargazer
"Michael Snyder" <msn...@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:y4eVa.5996$dk4.2...@typhoon.sonic.net...
Exactly where did you discover 'she was partying and bragging less than 24
hours later'? Cite please?
sg
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Sarah Monroe
>hours later'? Cite please?
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>sg
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Oh please, it was posted right here in ATC.
If Matt Drudge told me the sun was shining, I would have to go look to be sure.
Gms
A little untidiness always follows an oppressed peoples' liberation.
Donald Rumsfeld April 2003
Teresa
> >Exactly where did you discover 'she was partying and bragging less than
24
> >hours later'? Cite please?
> >
> >sg
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> Oh please, it was posted right here in ATC.
> If Matt Drudge told me the sun was shining, I would have to go look to be
sure.
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> Gms
Oh please, yourself!
What *was* posted right here in ATC is that 3 days BEFORE Bryant was
charged, she was at a party where the alleged bragging occurred. It was not
"less than 24 hours later". Get your story straight.
Teresa
stargazer
"Teresa" <ctf...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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It's amazing the lengths gone to, to absolve a star from responsibility.
Personally I find it easier to see a high paid 'hero' of the basketball
court to lie, but I'm still waiting for the evidence to come out. I don't
understand how this girl can be trashed without the evidence known.
sg
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Wild Monkshood
stargazer wrote:
It's traditional, I suppose. And you know how hard some people cling to
traditions. This is why uneaten cranberry sauce is still featured at our
Thanksgiving Dinners. If Kobe was falsely accused, he should be vindicated and
his accuser punished within the limits of the law, either legally or civilly.
If Kobe is guilty, same for him. I await the facts, or a courtroom version of
them, to be assembled and disseminated.............
Wild Monkshood
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PattyC
news:dPbVa.23728$BB6.8...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
OK, I think if this is true, we may have a *sense* of what could have
happened.
What if the woman consented to sex? Ordinary sex, that is. And then he
forced her to have anal sex. That could explain the comments about her not
being sure she was raped, as well as why so much seems so confusing here.
So, for all those who are SOOO into saying well, she went to his room....
well, imagine how THIS scenario would play in front of a jury!
I guess if you consent to "sex," you give up any rights over your own body,
correct? By the logic I've been seeing in discussion about this case, it
would seem so... I mean, if it's OK to force sex on someone since they came
into your hotel room, surely it's OK to make a person who thought they were
going to just have ordinary sex then also have anal sex?
Very interesting. I think I believe *this* gossip (and find it pretty
disgusting that Drudge finds the need to get into this before it has to be
public). And if I were KF, I would drop this case and not even consider
subjecting myself to any more of this absurdity. Not because I think she is
"wrong," but because I think SHE can't get a "fair trial."
PattyC
DemocRAT Exterminator
No one is claiming she was bragging about it 24 hours later. The
allegation is that she was bragging about it two weeks later, at a
party three days before charges were filed.... and that allegation is
highly suspect, for several reasons.
Mametsuki
Just how are they going to prove forced anal sex? cuts? bruising? Hey, that
happens in consentual anal sex too. This case is getting really freaky. Why
would Kobe do forced anal sex? Just had to have it? Could not wait another
minute?! Had to have the bootie and only the bootie? This is really funny if
they think this one's gonna fly with a jury. This girl is so obviously a
hystrionic personality. Very disturbed. I really hope he sues her ass off (No
pun intended).
Mametsuki
Michael Snyder
Don't be a doofus -- it was less than 24 hours after the alleged rape.
Michael Snyder
> "Teresa" <ctf...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:aHfVa.2215$It4....@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
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>> > >Exactly where did you discover 'she was partying and bragging less
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>>>>hours later'? Cite please?
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>>>Oh please, it was posted right here in ATC.
>>>If Matt Drudge told me the sun was shining, I would have to go look to
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>>>Gms
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>>Oh please, yourself!
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>>What *was* posted right here in ATC is that 3 days BEFORE Bryant was
>>charged, she was at a party where the alleged bragging occurred. It was
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>>"less than 24 hours later". Get your story straight.
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>>Teresa
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> It's amazing the lengths gone to, to absolve a star from responsibility.
It's amazing the lengths you'll go to, to presume a man guilty.
PattyC
news:20030728184029...@mb-m28.aol.com...
Funny it all seems so "obvious" to you. Funny it's not that "obvious" to
me, or the DA in Eagle for that matter.
Has it occurred to you that sometimes people force themselves on others in
ways the others do not consent to? News flash: that happens.
PattyC
Mametsuki
it's holes. As for the DA, well it seems pretty obvious that he is out for some
publicity and is quite young and inexperienced. Kobe's laywers are going to
hand him his ass on a plate if this bullshit ever goes to trial. Which by the
way, I do not think will happen.
>Has it occurred to you that sometimes people force themselves on others in
>ways the others do not consent to? News flash: that happens.
>
>PattyC
>
Mametsuki
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
"PattyC" <patty...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:5YhVa.8978$cM6....@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> "Mametsuki" <mame...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030728184029...@mb-m28.aol.com...
> >
> > Just how are they going to prove forced anal sex? cuts? bruising? Hey,
> that
> > happens in consentual anal sex too. This case is getting really freaky.
> Why
> > would Kobe do forced anal sex? Just had to have it? Could not wait another
> > minute?! Had to have the bootie and only the bootie? This is really funny
> if
> > they think this one's gonna fly with a jury. This girl is so obviously a
> > hystrionic personality. Very disturbed. I really hope he sues her ass off
> (No
> > pun intended).
> > Mametsuki
>
>
> Funny it all seems so "obvious" to you. Funny it's not that "obvious" to
> me, or the DA in Eagle for that matter.
I think if the suicide stories are true (and they appear to be so) then
it's a pretty safe bet that the girl has some serious problems. This
doesn't not automatically make her a liar, however.
Somebody recently made an excellent point that women with serious
psychological issues are much more at risk to become victims of this
type of crime.
My question was is this (suicide attempts) common in women who
level false rape charges? Don't know. I agree, however, that leaping
from "tried to kill herself" to "lied about the rape" is not an automatic
deduction. It will be a very different ballgame if it turns out she *has*
made this kind of accusation before.
> Has it occurred to you that sometimes people force themselves on others in
> ways the others do not consent to? News flash: that happens.
>
> PattyC
Which would seem to be the most likely story here if it is a case of rape.
Somehow I'm just not seeing Beast-Kobe grabbing the girl the moment
she tries to leave. A more likely scenario is consensual sex that turns into
something else. Which is still rape, although I can't tell how a jury will
react. There's certainly no shortage of posters who think that just because
she was up in his room she was responsible for anything else that happened.
The jury might think the same way.
I saw that "false imprisonment" was on the charge too.
RstJ
stargazer
"Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)" <robert...@yahoo.com> wrote
in message news:4miVa.3359$It4...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
I doubt the citizens of colorado would jump to those conclusions, after all,
they do have a very advanced rape statute.
sg
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
"stargazer" <star...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ciiVa.11393$IE6....@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com...
Well, they probably needed it. I haven't been impressed with Colorado
Justice lately. JonBenet was a disgrace, the Columbine case inconceivable
(why the hell weren't those pipe bomb reports followed up?) and this latest
one, with the Sheriff going behind the DA's back, doesn't bode well.
RstJ
Teresa
"Michael Snyder" <msn...@redhat.com> wrote in message
news:bg49s3$5q3$1...@stan.redhat.com...
Wrong.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_2129361,00.html
<quote>
On Tuesday, an Eagle resident told NBC News that the accuser
attended a party days before charges were filed against Bryant on July 18.
"She was bragging about it," party host Steve Evancho told NBC
<unquote>
Teresa
DemocRAT Exterminator
No, it wasn't. It was 15 days later.
Ray Cyst
> correct? By the logic I've been seeing in discussion about this case, it
> would seem so... I mean, if it's OK to force sex on someone since they came
> into your hotel room, surely it's OK to make a person who thought they were
> going to just have ordinary sex then also have anal sex?
It's the woman's body, it's the woman's choice... The argument is Kobe
raped her, according to Drudge... and of course, when you hear it on
Drudge, you know it's got to be true...
Michael Snyder
Yes -- before CHARGES WERE FILED -- but after THE ALLEGED RAPE.
Michael Snyder
OK, OK, whatever -- makes no difference to my point.
Michael Snyder
>>I guess if you consent to "sex," you give up any rights over your own body,
>>correct? By the logic I've been seeing in discussion about this case, it
>>would seem so... I mean, if it's OK to force sex on someone since they came
>>into your hotel room, surely it's OK to make a person who thought they were
>>going to just have ordinary sex then also have anal sex?
>
>
> It's the woman's body, it's the woman's choice...
Last I heard, anal sex pretty much required two people's bodies.
> The argument is Kobe
> raped her, according to Drudge... and of course, when you hear it on
> Drudge, you know it's got to be true...
The only question is whether she consented.
HudsonGrl
>From: "PattyC" patty...@verizon.net
>Date: 7/28/2003 6:02 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <5YhVa.8978$cM6....@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>
good post Patty. I was thinking the exact same thing :-)
Hudson
HudsonGrl
>Date: 7/28/2003 6:30 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <4miVa.3359$It4.726@r
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>I think if the suicide stories are true (and they appear to be so) then
>it's a pretty safe bet that the girl has some serious problems. This
>doesn't not automatically make her a liar, however.
exactly. despite her *problems*, she may well still be telling the truth.
>There's certainly no shortage of posters who think that just because
>she was up in his room she was responsible for anything else that happened.
<snip>
which is ridiculous. it's always *no* until it becomes a consenual *yes*.
Hudson
Teresa
Well, duh! Did you think she'd brag about being with Kobe Bryant BEFORE
she ever laid eyes on him???
Teresa
stargazer
Your point is?
>
stargazer
stargazer
snider says:
I'd say what it proves is -- if she was partying and bragging about it
less than 24 hours later, then she wasn't in a great deal of pain.
Probably because she was accustomed to doing anal sex.
Of course it does, that WAS your point to begin with.........
sg
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
"HudsonGrl" <huds...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030728220441...@mb-m01.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: "dirty sex details" of the Kobe Bryant sexual assualt case
> >From: "Robert St. James \(el corazon del demonio\)" robert...@yahoo.com
> >Date: 7/28/2003 6:30 PM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: <4miVa.3359$It4.726@r
>
> >
> >I think if the suicide stories are true (and they appear to be so) then
> >it's a pretty safe bet that the girl has some serious problems. This
> >doesn't not automatically make her a liar, however.
>
> exactly. despite her *problems*, she may well still be telling the truth.
Still waiting on those other rumors, tho. The ones about her accusing
other guys of rape. I don't think they're true, but who knows.
>
> >There's certainly no shortage of posters who think that just because
> >she was up in his room she was responsible for anything else that happened.
> <snip>
>
> which is ridiculous. it's always *no* until it becomes a consenual *yes*.
>
> Hudson
The defense will argue that
a) she came up to the room voluntarily
b) she engaged in consensual sex
c) therefore, there is no rape
Prosecution will (probably) argue that
a) she came up to the room voluntarily
b) she was forced to perform a non-consensual sexual act
c) therefore it *is* rape
Big question:
Why did she go to his room?
If it was hotel business, then we'd have to believe that
Kobe just flat-out grabbed her and raped her, which doesn't
fit too well with his calling his wife right about the same time,
and then hanging around the hotel as if there was nothing wrong
afterwards. Maybe he's just so arrogant (or stupid) that he figured
he was above the law, but the impression I get is of a guy sweet-talking
his wife right before he parties with some girl he just met, and then
hanging around afterwards because he wasn't afraid of being charged
with rape.
I guess we'll have to wait to get answers. My guess is that it
was either a planned hookup that got too rough or the girl is
lying for some reason that probably only makes sense to her.
RstJ
HudsonGrl
>From: "Robert St. James \(el corazon del demonio\)" robert...@yahoo.com
>Message-id: <RRkVa.2874$Oz4.840@rwc
>
>I guess we'll have to wait to get answers. My guess is that it
>was either a planned hookup that got too rough or the girl is
>lying for some reason that probably only makes sense to her.
>
even if it WAS a planned hookup, it is *no* until she says *yes*. it cannot be
presumed that just because she was in his room, she was consenting to sex.
and even if she initially said *yes* and then at some point began to say *no*,
and he continues to force himself on her, IMO, that is still rape...or sexual
assualt at the very least.
Hudson
Hudson
Michael Snyder
Teresa wrote in message ...
No -- that's why I never said anything of the kind. I said she
was bragging about it AFTER the event. Your confusion is not
my responsibility.
Michael Snyder
stargazer wrote in message ...
>
Duh -- you snipped it.
robbielynn
> news:20030728184029...@mb-m28.aol.com...
> >
> > Just how are they going to prove forced anal sex? cuts? bruising? Hey,
> that
> > happens in consentual anal sex too. This case is getting really freaky.
> Why
> > would Kobe do forced anal sex? Just had to have it? Could not wait another
> > minute?! Had to have the bootie and only the bootie? This is really funny
> if
> > they think this one's gonna fly with a jury. This girl is so obviously a
> > hystrionic personality. Very disturbed. I really hope he sues her ass off
> (No
> > pun intended).
> > Mametsuki
>
>
> Funny it all seems so "obvious" to you
Funny it's not that "obvious" to
> me, or the DA in Eagle for that matter.
>
> Has it occurred to you that sometimes people force themselves on others in
> ways the others do not consent to? News flash: that happens.
Thank you Patty. It certainly does happen. This mean and desperate
attempt to smear the girl...a 19 year old who lives at home and met
Kobe while she was working behind a hotel lobby registration desk. Not
some 25 -35 year old groupie hanging out at places the sports stars go
to.
He checked in , saw this gorgeous YOUNG chick ...hung around the lobby
suggesting that he'd like a tour of the place.Probably flirted with her and
suggested she give him the tour. Maybe she did and then returned to her
desk job. Then he called up and requested something from room service
...was it food...literature about the hotel..who knows but he was still
trying to get her into his room.
He got her there and started the mauling right away acting as if she was
really with the program, refusing her "no's" or "stop it's"...and I
bet it was anal because he doesn't want any paternity suits later.
He completes his deed and she leaves as soon as she can and looks
dissheveled when she gets back to the lobby and drives home and tells her
mother. ( she was in his room a very short time and we know there was
bodily fluids exchanged.
He was hunting the inexperienced hoping to get away with it because of his
celebrity status.
>
> PattyC
stargazer
"robbielynn" <robbie...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8bcd2598.03072...@posting.google.com...
This scenario rings as valid as any of the others being spouted around here
lately.
sg
Michael Snyder
stargazer wrote in message <9rmVa.7643$jI6....@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com>...
Of course it was invented out of whole cloth, but don't let
that stop you from presuming the man guilty and the woman
innocent...
stargazer
"Michael Snyder" <msn...@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:1_mVa.6194$dk4.2...@typhoon.sonic.net...
As you are presuming the girl is a liar, you mean?
sg
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Michael Snyder
stargazer wrote in message ...
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Quote me where I ever said the girl is a liar.
You are the liar here Tiny, still trying to put words in my mouth.
Sherman
> "Lady Libra" <shor...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:dPbVa.23728$BB6.8...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> > LOS ANGELES - Sunday night Matt Drudge reported on his nationally
> syndicated
> > radio show (heard at 7:15 p.m. Pacific time on KFI-AM in Los Angeles)
the
> > most provocative "dirty sex details" of the Kobe Bryant sexual assualt
> case
> > so far.
> >
> > Excerpt: "I've decided to reveal some of the dirty sex details of the
> case.
> > I have been told it's anal sex. ... My sources have been telling me.
> >
> > "That's why it's going to be controversial when it goes to trial. It's
> what
> > is causing people a lot of uncomfortable feelings.
> >
> >
> > "Some of the details (of the case) are explosive. Dateline (NBC) had
some
> of
> > this information and decided not to air it. ... This speculation is
quite
> > solid from where I sit."
> >
> >
> > Drudge's revelation is nothing new to people frequenting message boards
> and
> > newsgroups on the internet - but it does mark the first time someone has
> > reported it (anal sex) via a mainstream media outlet.
> >
> > http://sportsbybrooks.com/mattdrudge.html
> >
>
>
> OK, I think if this is true, we may have a *sense* of what could have
> happened.
>
> What if the woman consented to sex? Ordinary sex, that is. And then he
> forced her to have anal sex. That could explain the comments about her
not
> being sure she was raped, as well as why so much seems so confusing here.
>
> So, for all those who are SOOO into saying well, she went to his room....
> well, imagine how THIS scenario would play in front of a jury!
>
> I guess if you consent to "sex," you give up any rights over your own
body,
> correct? By the logic I've been seeing in discussion about this case, it
> would seem so... I mean, if it's OK to force sex on someone since they
came
> into your hotel room, surely it's OK to make a person who thought they
were
> going to just have ordinary sex then also have anal sex?
>
> disgusting that Drudge finds the need to get into this before it has to be
> public). And if I were KF, I would drop this case and not even consider
> subjecting myself to any more of this absurdity. Not because I think she
is
> "wrong," but because I think SHE can't get a "fair trial."
>
> PattyC
>
Unfortunately, this is the closest post to the truth. We cannot obtain real
facts to base statistics upon in the issue of sexual assault victimization.
It places too great of a burden on the primary victims: Women and children.
Sherman.
Sarah Monroe
>Oh please, yourself!
>
>What *was* posted right here in ATC is that 3 days BEFORE Bryant was
>charged, she was at a party where the alleged bragging occurred. It was not
>"less than 24 hours later". Get your story straight.
>
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Get your story straight. The party was after the supposed rape and she was
bragging about the size of his equipment.
Gms
A little untidiness always follows an oppressed peoples' liberation.
Donald Rumsfeld April 2003
Sarah Monroe
Right on, Michael, after the alleged rape and not a couple weeks before.
Teresa and Kris have some kind of idea that they know the truth, the whole
truth and nothing but the truth in every case that gets to ATC. They took
lessons from the dear departed Maggie.
Sarah Monroe
>
>
>Well, duh! Did you think she'd brag about being with Kobe Bryant BEFORE
>she ever laid eyes on him???
>
>Teresa
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Oh but you said that the party was before the alleged rape happened. Now you
want to slip out of that statement? Back pedal, back pedal.
Sarah Monroe
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>Your point is?
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The point is that Teresa said the party was days before the alleged rape. The
party where she was bragging about the size of his "equipment" was after the
alleged rape. This came from her so-called friends.
Sarah Monroe
>>
>>
>> Well, duh! Did you think she'd brag about being with Kobe Bryant BEFORE
>> she ever laid eyes on him???
>>
>> Teresa
>>
>
>What a jerk,
>
>sg
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Teresa is the one that said the party was before the alleged rape. That makes
Michael the jerk?
Sarah Monroe
>
>I'd say what it proves is -- if she was partying and bragging about it
>less than 24 hours later, then she wasn't in a great deal of pain.
>Probably because she was accustomed to doing anal sex.
>
>
>
>Of course it does, that WAS your point to begin with.........
>
>sg
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His point and mine, also, was and is that the party was after the alleged rape,
not before as Teresa said and now wants to backpedal out of what she said.
Have you ever heard of a rape victim bragging about the size of the rapist's
"equipment". Don't think do.
Gms
t.
Sarah Monroe
>>lately.
>
>Of course it was invented out of whole cloth, but don't let
>that stop you from presuming the man guilty and the woman
>innocent...
>
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A complete fantasy and that's supposed to be the truth. Ok, sure!
BTW, where are the people that work with her to testify that she came back for
the change of shifts all upset and disheveled?
Gms
stargazer
"Sarah Monroe" <gmsp...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030729075402...@mb-m24.aol.com...
> >> > Yes -- before CHARGES WERE FILED -- but after THE ALLEGED RAPE.
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, duh! Did you think she'd brag about being with Kobe Bryant
BEFORE
> >> she ever laid eyes on him???
> >>
> >> Teresa
> >>
> >
> >What a jerk,
> >
> >sg
> >>
> >
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> Teresa is the one that said the party was before the alleged rape. That
makes
> Michael the jerk?
I don't see the post where Teresa 'said' that, I see posts where she said
'before Bryant was 'charged'. He wasn't charged until a couple weeks after
the alleged incident, but I don't see a post where Teresa said the party was
before the rape, only before the charge.
sg
stargazer
> >>This scenario rings as valid as any of the others being spouted around
here
> >>lately.
> >
> >Of course it was invented out of whole cloth, but don't let
> >that stop you from presuming the man guilty and the woman
> >innocent...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> A complete fantasy and that's supposed to be the truth. Ok, sure!
>
> BTW, where are the people that work with her to testify that she came back
for
> the change of shifts all upset and disheveled?
>
>
> Gms
I've heard on a number of the different talk type news programs that the Inn
has forbidden anyone working there to speak about what happened or be fired
from their jobs.
sg
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
"stargazer" <star...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Sarah Monroe" <gmsp...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > >>This scenario rings as valid as any of the others being spouted around
> here
> > >>lately.
> > >
> > >Of course it was invented out of whole cloth, but don't let
> > >that stop you from presuming the man guilty and the woman
> > >innocent...
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> > A complete fantasy and that's supposed to be the truth. Ok, sure!
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> > BTW, where are the people that work with her to testify that she came back
> for
> > the change of shifts all upset and disheveled?
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> > Gms
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> I've heard on a number of the different talk type news programs that the Inn
> has forbidden anyone working there to speak about what happened or be fired
> from their jobs.
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> sg
Nothing like a threat to ensure employee loyalty.
RstJ
Michael Snyder
stargazer wrote in message <0lwVa.33$f%2...@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com>...
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>"Sarah Monroe" <gmsp...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> >> > Yes -- before CHARGES WERE FILED -- but after THE ALLEGED RAPE.
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>> >> Well, duh! Did you think she'd brag about being with Kobe Bryant
>BEFORE
>> >> she ever laid eyes on him???
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>> >> Teresa
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>> >What a jerk,
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>> Teresa is the one that said the party was before the alleged rape. That
>makes
>> Michael the jerk?
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>I don't see the post where Teresa 'said' that, I see posts where she said
>'before Bryant was 'charged'.
Yes -- in response to my statement that she bragged AFTER THE RAPE.
Teresa tried to confuse the issue of "after the rape" with "before the charge".
Michael Snyder
stargazer wrote in message ...
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>> >>This scenario rings as valid as any of the others being spouted around
>here
>> >>lately.
>> >
>> >Of course it was invented out of whole cloth, but don't let
>> >that stop you from presuming the man guilty and the woman
>> >innocent...
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>> A complete fantasy and that's supposed to be the truth. Ok, sure!
>>
>> BTW, where are the people that work with her to testify that she came back
>for
>> the change of shifts all upset and disheveled?
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>has forbidden anyone working there to speak about what happened or be fired
>from their jobs.
Hasn't stopped the leaks that suggest she wasn't raped -- only
the leaks that suggest she was. Odd...
Alex
If the problem was anal sex, what happened to the "vaginal tearing"?
I think Drudge is full of it (no pun intended).
Alex
stargazer
She did no such thing, I understood her perfectly. You were the one who
kept hyperventilating about *24 hours* after the rape. It appears you have
problems with comprehension for which you're trying to blame Teresa.
sg
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Michael Snyder
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>> stargazer wrote in message <0lwVa.33$f%2...@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com>...
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>> >"Sarah Monroe" <gmsp...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> >> >> > Yes -- before CHARGES WERE FILED -- but after THE ALLEGED RAPE.
>> >> >>
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>> >> >> Well, duh! Did you think she'd brag about being with Kobe Bryant
>> >BEFORE
>> >> >> she ever laid eyes on him???
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>> >> >> Teresa
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>> >> >What a jerk,
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>That
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>> >> Michael the jerk?
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>> >I don't see the post where Teresa 'said' that, I see posts where she said
>> >'before Bryant was 'charged'.
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>> Yes -- in response to my statement that she bragged AFTER THE RAPE.
>> Teresa tried to confuse the issue of "after the rape" with "before the
>charge".
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>She did no such thing, I understood her perfectly. You were the one who
>kept hyperventilating about *24 hours* after the rape. It appears you have
>problems with comprehension for which you're trying to blame Teresa.
In this case, you seem to be the only one who thinks so.
stargazer
"Alex" <avdeele...@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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One certainly doesn't preclude the other.
sg
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stargazer
And I suppose this isn't an *insinuation* that you believe she's lying. You
may word your replies very carefully, but your message comes through loud
and clear.
sg
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Michael Snyder
And both are often accomplished without force or coersion.
Michael Snyder
>>>Yes -- before CHARGES WERE FILED -- but after THE ALLEGED RAPE.
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>>Well, duh! Did you think she'd brag about being with Kobe Bryant BEFORE
>>she ever laid eyes on him???
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>>Teresa
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> Oh but you said that the party was before the alleged rape happened. Now you
> want to slip out of that statement? Back pedal, back pedal.
I don't believe she actually said that. It went more like this:
Michael: The party was after the alleged rape.
Teresa: No, it was BEFORE the charges were filed.
Michael: Yes, but it was after the ALLEGED RAPE.
Teresa: You're crazy! It was BEFORE the charges were filed!
Michael: Listen carefully...
Michael Snyder
>>Subject: Re: "dirty sex details" of the Kobe Bryant sexual assualt case
>>From: "Robert St. James \(el corazon del demonio\)" robert...@yahoo.com
>>Date: 7/28/2003 6:30 PM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: <4miVa.3359$It4.726@r
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>>I think if the suicide stories are true (and they appear to be so) then
>>it's a pretty safe bet that the girl has some serious problems. This
>>doesn't not automatically make her a liar, however.
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> exactly. despite her *problems*, she may well still be telling the truth.
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>>There's certainly no shortage of posters who think that just because
>>she was up in his room she was responsible for anything else that happened.
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> which is ridiculous. it's always *no* until it becomes a consenual *yes*.
It's easy to put ridiculous claims in someone's mouth.
In fact there's a name for it: straw man.
Michael Snyder
>>Subject: Re: "dirty sex details" of the Kobe Bryant sexual assualt case
>>From: "Robert St. James \(el corazon del demonio\)" robert...@yahoo.com
>>Message-id: <RRkVa.2874$Oz4.840@rwc
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>>I guess we'll have to wait to get answers. My guess is that it
>>was either a planned hookup that got too rough or the girl is
>>lying for some reason that probably only makes sense to her.
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> even if it WAS a planned hookup, it is *no* until she says *yes*. it cannot be
> presumed that just because she was in his room, she was consenting to sex.
Nor have I seen anyone presume that.
> and even if she initially said *yes* and then at some point began to say *no*,
> and he continues to force himself on her, IMO, that is still rape...or sexual
> assualt at the very least.
Nor do we know that that's what happened. It is not rape until
lack-of-consent is proven (not merely alleged or speculated).
Michael Snyder
>>Subject: Re: "dirty sex details" of the Kobe Bryant sexual assualt case
>>Date: 7/28/2003 6:02 PM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: <5YhVa.8978$cM6....@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>
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>>"Mametsuki" <mame...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>>>Just how are they going to prove forced anal sex? cuts? bruising? Hey,
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>>that
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>>>happens in consentual anal sex too. This case is getting really freaky.
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>>Why
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>>>would Kobe do forced anal sex? Just had to have it? Could not wait another
>>>minute?! Had to have the bootie and only the bootie? This is really funny
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>>if
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>>>they think this one's gonna fly with a jury. This girl is so obviously a
>>>hystrionic personality. Very disturbed. I really hope he sues her ass off
>>
>>(No
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>>>pun intended).
>>>Mametsuki
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>>me, or the DA in Eagle for that matter.
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>>Has it occurred to you that sometimes people force themselves on others in
>>ways the others do not consent to? News flash: that happens.
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> good post Patty. I was thinking the exact same thing :-)
Has it occurred to you or Patty that sometimes people consent,
and then change their minds DAYS LATER? News flash: that happens too.
Retroactive withdrawal of consent does not constitute rape in any
rational person's mind.
Michael Snyder
> Thank you Patty. It certainly does happen. This mean and desperate
> attempt to smear the girl..
is no different from the mean and desperate attempt to smear the man.
Michael Snyder
Too great a burden -- to tell the truth? So, this supposed inability
to obtain real facts justifies making them up?
stargazer
So why exactly did you have to 'hire' someone then
Michael Snyder
???
If you're referring to Bryant hiring a lawyer,
I suspect you would do the same if you were accused of rape.
stargazer
No, I'm referring to you hiring a prostitute for anal sex.
sg
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Sarah Monroe
>'before Bryant was 'charged'. He wasn't charged until a couple weeks after
>the alleged incident, but I don't see a post where Teresa said the party was
>before the rape, only before the charge.
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>sg
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>> Gms
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>> A little untidiness always follows an oppressed peoples' liberation.
>> Donald Rumsfeld April 2003
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You, of course, didn't see the post where she told me to get it straight, the
party was before the rape. You see what you want to see I guess.
Sarah Monroe
>Teresa tried to confuse the issue of "after the rape" with "before the
>charge".
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I call that stuff Luk MindGames, pretend you don't understand, twist the words
to mean something else or backpedal. Luk's an expert on it.
Sarah Monroe
>may word your replies very carefully, but your message comes through loud
>and clear.
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>sg
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And your message that he is guilty because you say so comes through loud and
clear too.
Alex
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> "Alex" <avdeele...@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> > Wait a minute.
> >
> > If the problem was anal sex, what happened to the "vaginal tearing"?
> >
> > I think Drudge is full of it (no pun intended).
>
It precludes her not knowing she was raped.
It pretty much precludes her walking and driving
home and going to sleep. It precludes her walking
around and "looking visibly upset".
And, how often has Kobe Bryant done this before.
The problem is this - the more outlandish they make
this rape, the more the glaring absence of any precedence
on Kobe's part stands out.
Alex
stargazer
> >And I suppose this isn't an *insinuation* that you believe she's lying.
You
> >may word your replies very carefully, but your message comes through loud
> >and clear.
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> And your message that he is guilty because you say so comes through loud
and
> clear too.
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> Gms
Could you please show me where I've said that sarah? I refrained from
making comments on this case much at all until I saw the trashing this girl
was getting here. And I've continually said 'I don't know the evidence yet
enough to make any decision at all' and tried to keep my posts only
referrring to the fact that I find it appalling that without any facts this
poor girl has had so many disgusting remarks made about her. I don't recall
ever saying Bryant was guilty, only that dragging this girl through the mud
is uncalled for until we know what the evidence is.
sg
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
> "stargazer" <star...@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
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> > "Alex" <avdeele...@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
> > news:3f269a33$0$28912$1b62...@news.euronet.nl...
> > > Wait a minute.
> > >
> > > If the problem was anal sex, what happened to the "vaginal tearing"?
> > >
> > > I think Drudge is full of it (no pun intended).
> >
> > One certainly doesn't preclude the other.
>
> It precludes her not knowing she was raped.
This I would agree with.
> It pretty much precludes her walking and driving
> home and going to sleep. It precludes her walking
> around and "looking visibly upset".
This I don't. If she was raped like that she would
very likely look visibly upset. And I could see why
she wouldn't want to tell anyone.
>
> And, how often has Kobe Bryant done this before.
> The problem is this - the more outlandish they make
> this rape, the more the glaring absence of any precedence
> on Kobe's part stands out.
>
> Alex
That we know of. Opinions would change very quickly if
someone came forward with a similar story.
RstJ
Sherman
Huh? It seems that it is much easier for someone like you to empathize with
a perpetrator. Hmmm.
It is difficult to report the incident because the victims become
revictimized by assholes like you. The entire system revictimized the women
and children once they have reported a sexual assault. IF an indictment and
trial ensue, the trauma increases manyfold. All rape statistics are
guestimates. On top of someone using violence or threat of violence to take
you away from yourself. It is a crime. Blaming a victim is ignorance or a
sure sign of instability with your own sense of being human.
Sherm.
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Michael Snyder
> "Alex" <avdeele...@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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>>"stargazer" <star...@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
>>news:wByVa.836$0z3...@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
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>>>"Alex" <avdeele...@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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>>>>Wait a minute.
>>>>
>>>>If the problem was anal sex, what happened to the "vaginal tearing"?
>>>>
>>>>I think Drudge is full of it (no pun intended).
>>>
>>>One certainly doesn't preclude the other.
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>>It precludes her not knowing she was raped.
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> This I would agree with.
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>>It pretty much precludes her walking and driving
>>home and going to sleep. It precludes her walking
>> around and "looking visibly upset".
>
> This I don't. If she was raped like that she would
> very likely look visibly upset. And I could see why
> she wouldn't want to tell anyone.
I'm guessing he meant to say "not looking visibly upset".
>>And, how often has Kobe Bryant done this before.
>>The problem is this - the more outlandish they make
>>this rape, the more the glaring absence of any precedence
>>on Kobe's part stands out.
>>
>>Alex
>
>
> That we know of. Opinions would change very quickly if
> someone came forward with a similar story.
As usually happens VERY PROMPTLY in cases like this...
Michael Snyder
> "Michael Snyder" <msn...@redhat.com> wrote in message
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>>stargazer wrote:
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>>>"Michael Snyder" <msn...@redhat.com> wrote in message
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>>>>stargazer wrote:
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>>>>>"Alex" <avdeele...@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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>>>>>>Wait a minute.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If the problem was anal sex, what happened to the "vaginal tearing"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think Drudge is full of it (no pun intended).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Alex
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>>>>>One certainly doesn't preclude the other.
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>>>>And both are often accomplished without force or coersion.
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>>>So why exactly did you have to 'hire' someone then
>>
>>???
>>If you're referring to Bryant hiring a lawyer,
>>I suspect you would do the same if you were accused of rape.
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> No, I'm referring to you hiring a prostitute for anal sex.
Since I've never done that (nor have I said that I've done that),
you would be lying again.
Michael Snyder
Yes, you seem to be the only one incapable of understanding it.
No, that is not an insinuation that I believe she is lying.
It is a direct statement that she MIGHT be lying, and that the
insinuations such as yours that she ISN'T lying are unfounded.
stargazer
You told us that awhile back when the discussion of prostitues was taking
place, you said you hired prostitues to 'try stuff out on' that you didn't
want to do on your girlfriend.
sg
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stargazer
"Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)" <robert...@yahoo.com> wrote
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After the trashing and threats on her life this girl and her family are
taking, you really think that might happen?
sg
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stargazer
"Sherman" <mike...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Well stated Sherm, it's incredible the amount of hostility and trashing
victims of this particular crime have to take.
sg
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Michael Snyder
Did I say anal sex? Nope, I did not.
Alex
> Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio) wrote:
> > "Alex" <avdeele...@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> >>"stargazer" <star...@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
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> >>>"Alex" <avdeele...@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> >>It pretty much precludes her walking and driving
> >>home and going to sleep. It precludes her walking
> >> around and "looking visibly upset".
> >
> > This I don't. If she was raped like that she would
> > very likely look visibly upset. And I could see why
> > she wouldn't want to tell anyone.
>
> I'm guessing he meant to say "not looking visibly upset".
No, I meant to say "looking visibly upset". As opposed
to comatose, curled up on the foetal position, bleeding
to death, you name it.
> >>And, how often has Kobe Bryant done this before.
> >>The problem is this - the more outlandish they make
> >>this rape, the more the glaring absence of any precedence
> >>on Kobe's part stands out.
> >
> > That we know of. Opinions would change very quickly if
> > someone came forward with a similar story.
>
> As usually happens VERY PROMPTLY in cases like this...
I agree, although you never know. According to FNC, even
his own investigators are looking for dirt that might come out
about him.
Alex
Michael Snyder
It has happened repeatedly when a celebrity is accused of sex assault or
rape. Just not in this case.
Alex
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> "Alex" <avdeele...@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> > "stargazer" <star...@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
> > news:wByVa.836$0z3...@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > >
> > > "Alex" <avdeele...@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
> > > news:3f269a33$0$28912$1b62...@news.euronet.nl...
> > > > Wait a minute.
> > > >
> > > > If the problem was anal sex, what happened to the "vaginal tearing"?
> > > >
> > > > I think Drudge is full of it (no pun intended).
> > >
> > > One certainly doesn't preclude the other.
> >
> > It precludes her not knowing she was raped.
>
> This I would agree with.
>
> > It pretty much precludes her walking and driving
> > home and going to sleep. It precludes her walking
> > around and "looking visibly upset".
>
> This I don't. If she was raped like that she would
> very likely look visibly upset. And I could see why
> she wouldn't want to tell anyone.
What I mean is - would she still be able to walk
if she had gone through that? No lube, no consent.
And what turned young Kobe to get this sudden
need for anal rape?
I mean, now he's not only a career rapist, but a
psycho too.
And do you really think she would be bragging about
the size of his schlong if she'd had been anally raped?
> > And, how often has Kobe Bryant done this before.
> > The problem is this - the more outlandish they make
> > this rape, the more the glaring absence of any precedence
> > on Kobe's part stands out.
> >
>
> That we know of. Opinions would change very quickly if
> someone came forward with a similar story.
But so far, no one has come out. And the
one with the unstable, impulsive background is the girl.
Alex
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
> After the trashing and threats on her life this girl and her family are
> taking, you really think that might happen?
>
> sg
Oh yes. If a "Kobe raped me too" story comes out, the pendulum
will swing the other direction.
RstJ
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
"Alex" <...>
> What I mean is - would she still be able to walk
> if she had gone through that? No lube, no consent.
Probably, although it would have to be pretty painful.
Hence the "distressed" part.
> And what turned young Kobe to get this sudden
> need for anal rape?
We don't know that it's sudden, however. If he
did this every other weekend I'm sure someone
would have gotten on to the story. But it's not
impossible that this *has* happened before.
That is, if we're accepting the rumors and the girl's
story.
> I mean, now he's not only a career rapist, but a
> psycho too.
> And do you really think she would be bragging about
> the size of his schlong if she'd had been anally raped?
I don't know if that part's true or not. I accept that
she was at the party her so-called friend had. What
she said/did there is not very solid. Since more than
one named source puts her at the party, I think that
part's true. But one source has her talking about
Kobe's dick, and the other has her in tears over
being asked what happened. Maybe both are true,
maybe just one, maybe neither. This party gossip
doesn't have a lot of collateral either way, unlike
the reports of the suicide attempts which appear
to have support.
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> > > And, how often has Kobe Bryant done this before.
> > > The problem is this - the more outlandish they make
> > > this rape, the more the glaring absence of any precedence
> > > on Kobe's part stands out.
> > >
> >
> > That we know of. Opinions would change very quickly if
> > someone came forward with a similar story.
>
> But so far, no one has come out. And the
> one with the unstable, impulsive background is the girl.
>
> Alex
Unstable certainly. Impulsive, don't know. I would have
to read consistent reports from more than one source of
examples of her impulsiveness. The instability has several
sources and two stark examples.
As for Kobe, we have to wait and see. It hasn't been that
long yet. I do agree that if there are examples, they've been
covered-up pretty efficiently.
RstJ
Michael Snyder
> I don't know if that part's true or not. I accept that
> she was at the party her so-called friend had. What
> she said/did there is not very solid. Since more than
> one named source puts her at the party, I think that
> part's true. But one source has her talking about
> Kobe's dick, and the other has her in tears over
> being asked what happened. Maybe both are true,
> maybe just one, maybe neither. This party gossip
> doesn't have a lot of collateral either way, unlike
> the reports of the suicide attempts which appear
> to have support.
OK, this is supposed to be a nearly-all-white community, right?
This girl is white, and this celebrity athelete is black, right?
Suppose she was at the party, and she was bragging about having
shagged the big sports celebrity, and she started sensing that
her boast, rather than earn her the respect and awe she was
hoping for, was creating bad vibes because some of her friends
weren't too crazy about the inter-racial thing? Now it's too
late for her to take back the story, but maybe it's not too late
to change it from a brag to a sob?
Cliff and Linda Griffith
> Has it occurred to you or Patty that sometimes people consent,
> and then change their minds DAYS LATER? News flash: that happens too.
>
> Retroactive withdrawal of consent does not constitute rape in any
> rational person's mind.
I'm still wondering about the Yes, yes, no, yes yes yes, um NO.
If it goes that way, how many accusers do you think would really admit to
vacillating like that? I still hold it against her that she went to his
room of her own volition, and the reports don't sound as if the hotel/spa
"sent" her there as a part of her job. Of course, I hope we'll hear what
really happened, once the case goes to trial.
Linda
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
"Cliff and Linda Griffith" <grif...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Or at least clear some of the murk off the timeline. 10pm-1am is totally
unclear. I've heard
a) Kobe checks in, gets a tour, girl comes to his room on "hotel business"
the rape occurs, she leaves and goes home
b) Kobe checks in, no tour, girl goes to his room a half hour after getting
off work, hangs out for 1-2hrs, rape occurs, she leaves and goes home
c) Kobe checks in, no tour, girl goes up to his room, rape occurs, Kobe and
possibly his bodyguards hold her hostage for an hour, she finally leaves,
goes home.
And various permutations. What's the truth?
RstJ
Michael Snyder
> "Michael Snyder" <msn...@redhat.com> wrote in message news:bg6fd4
>
>
>>Has it occurred to you or Patty that sometimes people consent,
>>and then change their minds DAYS LATER? News flash: that happens too.
>>
>>Retroactive withdrawal of consent does not constitute rape in any
>>rational person's mind.
>
>
> I'm still wondering about the Yes, yes, no, yes yes yes, um NO.
I would have to regard that as a grey arey myself. But what I
was really talking about was "yes yes yes yes yes, well good night,
thank you very much... <zzzzzzz> oh wow, it's a beautiful morning...
hey, wait a minute... NO!"
stargazer
That happens to you often, does it? Perhaps a better choice of partners is
in order, as that's never ever happened to me.
sg
>
>
>
Cliff and Linda Griffith
I think Michael explained it well. Patty said the report was after the
alleged rape, the bragging about Kobe's size was after the alleged rape. I
think maybe you missed Michael's explanation.
Linda
"Sarah Monroe" <gmsp...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030729155759...@mb-m28.aol.com...
Teresa
> >Oh please, yourself!
> >
> >What *was* posted right here in ATC is that 3 days BEFORE Bryant was
> >charged, she was at a party where the alleged bragging occurred. It was
not
> >"less than 24 hours later". Get your story straight.
> >
> >Teresa
> > >
>
> Get your story straight. The party was after the supposed rape and she
was
> bragging about the size of his equipment.
>
>
> Gms
Show me where I said anything different than that.
Teresa
Teresa
> >>
> >>>Teresa wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> > >Exactly where did you discover 'she was partying and bragging less
> >>
> >> than
> >>
> >>>>24
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>hours later'? Cite please?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>sg
> >>>>
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>>Oh please, it was posted right here in ATC.
> >>>>>If Matt Drudge told me the sun was shining, I would have to go look
to
> >>
> >> be
> >>
> >>>>sure.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Gms
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Oh please, yourself!
> >>>>
> >>>>What *was* posted right here in ATC is that 3 days BEFORE Bryant was
> >>>>charged, she was at a party where the alleged bragging occurred. It
was
> >>
> >> not
> >>
> >>>>"less than 24 hours later". Get your story straight.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Wrong.
> >>
> >http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_212936
> 1,00.html
> >> <quote>
> >> On Tuesday, an Eagle resident told NBC News that the accuser
> >> attended a party days before charges were filed against Bryant on July
18.
> >>
> >> "She was bragging about it," party host Steve Evancho told NBC
> >> <unquote>
> >
> >Yes -- before CHARGES WERE FILED -- but after THE ALLEGED RAPE.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Right on, Michael, after the alleged rape and not a couple weeks before.
> Teresa and Kris have some kind of idea that they know the truth, the whole
> truth and nothing but the truth in every case that gets to ATC. They
took
> lessons from the dear departed Maggie.
>
>
>
>
> Gms
You seem to have a reading comprehension problem there, Gms.
Of course I agree that the allegation is that she bragged about being
with Kobe Bryant at a party AFTER THE ALLEGED RAPE!
Where did I ever say anything different??
The only disagrement we're having is when the party occured.
Michael said it was less than 24 hours after the alleged rape.
I say, and the Rocky Mountain News reported, that the party
occured 3 days before Kobe Bryant was arrested. Is that clear
enough for you?
Teresa
Teresa
> >> Yes -- before CHARGES WERE FILED -- but after THE ALLEGED RAPE.
> >
> >
> >she ever laid eyes on him???
> >
> >Teresa
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Oh but you said that the party was before the alleged rape happened. Now
you
> want to slip out of that statement? Back pedal, back pedal.
>
>
>
>
> Gms
No I didn't! I said that the party was a few days before KOBE BRYANT
WAS ARRESTED!! NOT BEFORE THE RAPE!
Teresa
Teresa
Now you
> > want to slip out of that statement? Back pedal, back pedal.
>
> Michael: The party was after the alleged rape.
> Teresa: No, it was BEFORE the charges were filed.
> Michael: Yes, but it was after the ALLEGED RAPE.
> Teresa: You're crazy! It was BEFORE the charges were filed!
> Michael: Listen carefully...
Actually, it didn't go like that either, Michael.
Neither one of you can read what I type, I guess.
Teresa
Teresa
The
> party where she was bragging about the size of his "equipment" was after
the
> alleged rape. This came from her so-called friends.
>
>
> Gms
NO I DIDN'T SAY THAT!
What I did say is that the party occurred just a few days before
Kobe was arrested for the alleged rape.
Teresa
Teresa
> > Teresa is the one that said the party was before the alleged rape. That
> makes
> > Michael the jerk?
> > Gms
>
> I don't see the post where Teresa 'said' that, I see posts where she said
> 'before Bryant was 'charged'. He wasn't charged until a couple weeks
after
> the alleged incident, but I don't see a post where Teresa said the party
was
> before the rape, only before the charge.
>
> sg
Thank you, Stargazer! At least you can read and understand my posts.
Teresa
Teresa
>
> stargazer wrote in message <0lwVa.33$f%2...@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com>...> >news:20030729075402...@mb-m24.aol.com...
> >> >> > Yes -- before CHARGES WERE FILED -- but after THE ALLEGED RAPE.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, duh! Did you think she'd brag about being with Kobe Bryant
> >BEFORE
> >> >> she ever laid eyes on him???
> >> >>
> >> >> Teresa
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >sg
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Teresa is the one that said the party was before the alleged rape.
That
> >makes
> >> Michael the jerk?
> >
> >
> >'before Bryant was 'charged'.
>
> Teresa tried to confuse the issue of "after the rape" with "before the
charge".
I didn't try to confuse anything. You just couldn't read what I wrote.
You kept trying to debate whether the party was BEFORE or AFTER the rape.
Teresa
Teresa
> That
> > >makes
> > >> Michael the jerk?
> > >
> > >
> > >I don't see the post where Teresa 'said' that, I see posts where she
said
> > >'before Bryant was 'charged'.
> >
> > Yes -- in response to my statement that she bragged AFTER THE RAPE.
> > Teresa tried to confuse the issue of "after the rape" with "before the
> charge".
>
>
> kept hyperventilating about *24 hours* after the rape. It appears you
have
> problems with comprehension for which you're trying to blame Teresa.
>
> sg
Thanks again, Stargazer!
Teresa