[media] Family Says Army Shortchanging Former POW
Ranger00089
>I don't agree with Jesse Jackson. Jessica Lynch was injured far worse
>than Shoshana Johnson:
>
>http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20031024_1844.html
Shoshana was shot in both ankles, Jessica lynch broke both legs. Seem pretty
equal to me.
There is no real evidence of Lynch being tortured, Shoshana was part of a group
that was.
Lynch receives 80%? I know many many men who were injured so much worse than
her, that have spent years trying to get to 80% and have never gotten there.
Her injuries, if a male, would have landed her in a military hospital until
recovered and then back to work. After her discharge if a male, she would have
received 30%.
She also states a lifetime of physical therapy. WTF? For broken bones?
Steve, SFC/US Army
d~
wrote:
I'm glad to see you weigh in on this topic, Steve. I've never
understood why Lynch was deemed a "hero"? I also have NO idea what
that "I'm a soldier too" quote meant in the big picture and why
everyone went nuts when she read it in her coming home 'speech.'
I'd be more inclined to consider her RESCUERS heros. why don't we
ever hear about them?
I just don't get it. there's some weird propaganda or collective need
thing going on that just escapes me. Do you have any info from your
side of the fence[1] that can shed any light?
d~
[1] be it as a military member or as a "conservative"
Bo Raxo
"Ranger00089" <range...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
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Friends in the military tell me that disability on leaving the service has a
lot to do with your connections. A friend of mine just left after 22 years
in the Army, and he received a 75% disability, which in his case means that
75% of his pension is tax-free.
Now this guy is in excellent shape, he told me about the disability pay and
I said, "What, they give that much for impotence?"
Fortunately, he has a sense of humor; you have to to be my friend.
He said it was related to injuries he suffered years ago, and had fully
recovered from, but that's just how these things work. Certain MOS get more
favorable treatment on disability ratings than others, too.
Bo Raxo
Ranger00089
>I'd be more inclined to consider her RESCUERS heros. why don't we
>ever hear about them?
As far as I can tell they had nothing to rescue her from. She was being treated
in a hospital. Yes it was a poor hospital and the couldn't give her proper
treatment. But the enemy left her there. There were no guards on her, she
wasn't being tortured. A lot of time and money went in to retreiving her,they
must pretend she was heroic in an effort to justify the expense.
>I just don't get it. there's some weird propaganda or collective need
>thing going on that just escapes me. Do you have any info from your
>side of the fence[1] that can shed any light?
What I can find out from friends is just what I wrote above. They also added
that she was riding on the middle hump of the humvee, a position not allowed by
the army. She never fired a shot at the attacking enemy, when the vehicle
crashed she was injured and out of the fight. Her companions fought on as best
they could and were lost. Because of her sex a big deal was made about her
capture. She has received medals she should be ashamed to wear. The Bronze
Star is awarded for heroic action above and beyond the call of duty. She got
one for getting in a car wreck and being captured. She doesn't deserve any of
the attention she is getting, unless every POW since WW1 gets the same.
I hold the Bronze Star wit V device, from Nam. I saved the men in my squad
and killed several enemy soldiers single handedly. I did what I did out of
fear and as a reaction to a bad situation, I didn't feel I deserved the award.
I know she doesn't.
Steve, SFC/US Army
d~
wrote:
>d asked;
>
>>I'd be more inclined to consider her RESCUERS heros. why don't we
>>ever hear about them?
>
>As far as I can tell they had nothing to rescue her from. She was being treated
>in a hospital. Yes it was a poor hospital and the couldn't give her proper
>treatment. But the enemy left her there. There were no guards on her, she
>wasn't being tortured. A lot of time and money went in to retreiving her,they
>must pretend she was heroic in an effort to justify the expense.
>
>>I just don't get it. there's some weird propaganda or collective need
>>thing going on that just escapes me. Do you have any info from your
>>side of the fence[1] that can shed any light?
>
>What I can find out from friends is just what I wrote above. They also added
>that she was riding on the middle hump of the humvee, a position not allowed by
>the army. She never fired a shot at the attacking enemy, when the vehicle
>crashed she was injured and out of the fight. Her companions fought on as best
>they could and were lost.
Aside from the 'middle hump' part - I had read about all this in
salon.com quite a while ago. I have no feeling for whether the
'general public' has caught on to this version yet.
>Because of her sex a big deal was made about her
>capture. She has received medals she should be ashamed to wear. The Bronze
>Star is awarded for heroic action above and beyond the call of duty. She got
>one for getting in a car wreck and being captured. She doesn't deserve any of
>the attention she is getting, unless every POW since WW1 gets the same.
I agree. I'm trying to understand *why* she's being glorified by the
collective country. "hero," "I'm a solider too," the TV movie . . I
just don't get the fascination.
> I hold the Bronze Star wit V device, from Nam. I saved the men in my squad
>and killed several enemy soldiers single handedly. I did what I did out of
>fear and as a reaction to a bad situation, I didn't feel I deserved the award.
>I know she doesn't.
wow.
I hope you feel you deserved the medal now. OBVIOUSLY you deserved
it!
d~
circe
If you want the cynical answer, it's for the same reason the media is
fascinated with crimes like the Laci Peterson and Jon Benet Ramsey
cases.
That is, Lynch is cute, white, and girly. It'e easy to make her a
poster girl for good versus evil. The real facts become lost and
anyone who disagrees is couched as a big meany who probably agrees
with terrorists.
The use of the term hero is so watered down today, it almost has no
meaning anymore. People are called heros for getting an illness,
heros for getting captured, heros for enduring adversity, etc. The
idea that you have to actively earn the title hero seems to be lost,
in my opinion.
circe
d~
>People are called heros for getting an illness,
>heros for getting captured, heros for enduring adversity, etc. The
>idea that you have to actively earn the title hero seems to be lost,
>in my opinion.
And I TOTALLY agree with you!
d~
Bo Raxo
"d~" <djominsa...@sayno2spam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ffnpv83mma2n010a...@4ax.com...
> On 26 Oct 2003 04:15:13 GMT, range...@aol.com (Ranger00089)
> wrote:
> >
> wow.
>
> I hope you feel you deserved the medal now. OBVIOUSLY you deserved
> it!
>
Thank you for saying that to Steve, since it's obviously the response he was
fishing for.
My2Cents
(disabled) and permanancy of disability. Broken limbs vs. blindness
vs. amputations, etc. all are assigned differing values and used in
the calculation.
Ranger00089
>Thank you for saying that to Steve, since it's obviously the response he was
>fishing for.
Ah yes, Bo know diddley. I have never felt I deserved the award for that days
happenings. In comparison to others who hold the award, I am about in the
middle for action deserving it. I mentioned it because I did much much more
than the little private did to earn one. But, your attitude towards me explains
your ignorance.
Steve, SFC/US Army
PattyC
news:75a2e6cd.03102...@posting.google.com...
Actually, VA disability ratings are assigned to determine the monthly
allotment to be paid. The %ages are more about (supposed) earning
impairment than %age of the body. AMA impairment ratings more about loss of
so much percentage of bodily functions.
BTW, I'm with Steve on this one. I think this whole Jessica Lynch charade
is dumb and unfair to other soldiers and to US.
PattyC
d~
wrote:
>In Message-ID:<1ffnpv83mma2n010a...@4ax.com> posted on
>Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:34:56 GMT, d~ wrote:
>
>>I agree. I'm trying to understand *why* she's being glorified by the
>>collective country. "hero," "I'm a solider too," the TV movie . . I
>>just don't get the fascination.
>
>America's "hero"
>http://tinyurl.com/sfoe
I don't usually click on "tinyurls" as a matter of habit. can someone
give me an idea of what this leads to?
d~
d~
oops.
d~ (but, it *did* sound courageous..!!)
Bo Raxo
While I am indeed ignorant about most military matters, my attitude
towards you is based on having read your posts: you're a small-minded,
petty, racist, insecure fellow, looking for external validation and
clinging to a period in your life 30+ years ago, when you felt like
you had an identity that gave you a feeling of self-importance.
Your attitude towards me is a reaction based on your own
(well-founded) insecurity concerning your (lack of) intellect.
HTH,
Bo Raxo
Ranger00089
winning one. So I think I will appease the little bitch.
>While I am indeed ignorant about most military matters, my attitude
>towards you is based on having read your posts: you're a small-minded,
>petty, racist, insecure fellow, looking for external validation and
>clinging to a period in your life 30+ years ago, when you felt like
>you had an identity that gave you a feeling of self-importance.
Yaaaaawwwwnnn. This pathetic jealous rhetoric is beneath you Bobo. Well, then
again, I don't think anything ignorant and childish is beneath you. You have
proven this many times.
Small minded. Because I find your garbage repetitive and boring. Because I am
convinced you are a political puppet.
Petty, as in Richard, or as in Bo Raxo petty?
Racist? Isn't everybody? Now you have no clue who I am racist about. You,
and other small minded ultra liberals ( read dumbass) love to through that
around at anyone who thinks for themselves and ignores your stupid asses.
Insecure? God you really do not have any idea who or what I am. A clue, I have
been called many things in my life, never insecure. That is not one of my
faults.
LOL. I need external validation from a bunch of nameless faceless people? I can
understand why you night think this, anyone can see that it fits you well. But
not me Bobo. I really don't give a shit what anyone on this or any group thinks
about me. I love me enough, and my wife and children love me. But, thats not
fair is it? I mean you have no wife or kids that could love you, even if you
prayed for it.
Once a Marine always a Marine, once a Ranger, always a Ranger. I know the
concept of lifelong loyalty and respect are foreign to you, I mean, shit you
have never been a part of anythin, unless they have a losers clud in Cali now.
>Your attitude towards me is a reaction based on your own
>(well-founded) insecurity concerning your (lack of) intellect.
>
>HTH,
>
>Bo Raxo
Oh my God Bobo, you tried to make a funny huh? Sorry, but as usual you missed
the mark.
Steve, SFC/US Army
Ranger00089
>Friends in the military tell me that disability on leaving the service has a
>lot to do with your connections
In most cases they would be wrong. You can't know all of the people involved
in the decision. If you retire medically it is a DA grant, if you draw after
ets it is VA at the local and national level.
>He said it was related to injuries he suffered years ago, and had fully
>recovered from, but that's just how these things work.
To get a disability pension he would have to have been rated P3 or higher. This
means he was diagnosed while in the service and determined disabled
permanantly. The P means permanent 3 is the level of non recoverable.
>Certain MOS get more
>favorable treatment on disability ratings than others, too.
>
>Bo Raxo
MOS has no bearing, the percentage is based on medical history and current
medical profiles. MOS has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Steve, SFC/US Army
Ranger00089
You are absolutely correct. Bo is just pretending he knows something once
again. Poor guy really doesn't know much about anything.
Steve, SFC/US Army
Phoenix
djominsa...@sayno2spam.hotmail.com says...
Good places!
It's a site that re-configures long URLs to short temporary addresses
that can fit on one line so one doesn't have to cut and paste the 2nd or
3rd line of the address to get there.
Click on a "tinyurl" and you will go to their webpage which will then
redirect you to the longer address.
It's a brilliant service.
bel
>
d~
wrote:
No - I know what tinyurls ARE. It's just that by their very nature I
never know where they will LEAD. As I usually read the group with a
work system, I'm leery of blindly clicking; lest I end up someplace
"restricted."
d~