48 Hours/Blaming the Babysitter
tiny dancer
Does anybody else here think *Morningstar Garden*, the crack ho with a
previous dead baby, shouldn't be *questioned* a bit more thoroughly along
with her boyfriend with the rap sheet?
Bo Raxo
"tiny dancer" <tinyda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/01/48hours/main1270189_page3.shtml
"When Ashley stated that she had shaken the baby and then went into further
detail and then ultimately demonstrated it to Detective Stevens, that's when
the world changed," says Kimerer.
[...]
"In severe or fatal shaken baby cases, the symptoms would be apparent
immediately after the shaking. They have difficulty breathing. They lose
consciousness," says Johnston.
[...]
Suspicions grew when Ashley was given a pen and paper and she wrote a
letter, which read in part: "She does not deserve this. I do . I should have
been way more gentle with Freya. She did nothing for this all because of me.
I am going to just totally hate myself for this."
--
And note that evidence the mother was using cocaine does not make her a
crack ho. Sheesh!
Nope, the teenager did it. That letter is a confession. Case closed.
[Insert sound effect of steel door slamming shut]
Bo Raxo
tiny dancer
"Bo Raxo" <invasio...@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message
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If you had watched the program bo, you'd know the child NEVER brought up
*shaking*, it was fed to her by the detectives grilling her for 19 hours.
Remember that kid in calif. the one who was convinced by detectives that
*he'd* killed his sister and didn't remember doing it?
It would be next to impossible for a small 13 year old girl, to shake a 20
month old child to death. A 20 month old child has neck muscles,
coordination. Try shaking anything for one to two minutes, violently, see
how tired you'd get. Pick up a 20 pound sack of potatoes and shake it
violently for a long enough time period. In the video, the girl
demonstrated that she 'wiggled' the baby. She did not demonstrate
'shaking'. The cop inserted that word into it. He refered to it as
'shaking', not the child.
These parents, and I use that term loosely, were holed up in their bedroom
smoking pot and doing crack. The 13 yr. old and another child went to the
movies, and the baby, the 20 month old, was HOME ALONE with the crack ho
and boyfriend earlier that evening. Even the first cops and the medic said
'the mother had a very strange reaction' when they informed her of her
childs condition. And she, the crack ho, also pulled a really good 'susan
smith' cry my eyes out without any tears.
td
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Michael Snyder
tiny dancer wrote:
> "Bo Raxo" <invasio...@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message
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> > Nope, the teenager did it. That letter is a confession. Case closed.
> >
> > [Insert sound effect of steel door slamming shut]
> >
> > Bo Raxo
>
>
> If you had watched the program bo, you'd know the child NEVER brought up
> *shaking*, it was fed to her by the detectives grilling her for 19 hours.
> Remember that kid in calif. the one who was convinced by detectives that
> *he'd* killed his sister and didn't remember doing it?
Gonna hate myself for this, but I have to come down with Tiny on this
one.
There's no fucking way they should have been interrogating that kid
without a lawyer OR a parent present. No evidence or testimony
obtained
under those circumstances from a 13 year old child should be
admissable.
> It would be next to impossible for a small 13 year old girl, to shake a 20
> month old child to death.
No, now you're going too far. Of course she *could* have done it.
There's just no evidence other than what was obtained under egregious
circumstances. Petite and female doesn't equal innocent --
not proven guilty equals innocent.
tiny dancer
"Michael Snyder" <msn...@redhat.com> wrote in message
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> tiny dancer wrote:
> > "Bo Raxo" <invasio...@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message
> > news:BkgFf.6258$Nv2....@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
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> > > Nope, the teenager did it. That letter is a confession. Case closed.
> > >
> > > [Insert sound effect of steel door slamming shut]
> > >
> > > Bo Raxo
> >
> >
> > If you had watched the program bo, you'd know the child NEVER brought up
> > *shaking*, it was fed to her by the detectives grilling her for 19
hours.
> > Remember that kid in calif. the one who was convinced by detectives that
> > *he'd* killed his sister and didn't remember doing it?
>
> Gonna hate myself for this, but I have to come down with Tiny on this
> one.
> There's no fucking way they should have been interrogating that kid
> without a lawyer OR a parent present. No evidence or testimony
> obtained
> under those circumstances from a 13 year old child should be
> admissable.
The judge threw out all that evidence and dismissed the case, never to be
brought again. She also came down hard on the detectives and what she
observed on the video of their interrogation.
>
>
> > It would be next to impossible for a small 13 year old girl, to shake a
20
> > month old child to death.
>
> No, now you're going too far. Of course she *could* have done it.
> There's just no evidence other than what was obtained under egregious
> circumstances. Petite and female doesn't equal innocent --
> not proven guilty equals innocent.
Petite does equate, be it a young boy or girl. Hell, I couldn't shake a kid
that size long enough to do the damage that was done to her. I've watched
these experts testify about 'shaken baby' syndrome. Personally, once you
get past an infant, I think these experts are blowing smoke up the asses of
juries. I recall one testifying that 'one would have to shake a baby like
that for two minutes.' You try shaking 25 pounds, vigorously, for two solid
minutes. Yes, the children are dead, but I don't for a moment buy they got
that way from shaking, not the kids who are past infant stage. Infants have
no control over their necks, can't hold their heads themselves. Toddlers
can and do. I think in most of these cases of 'shaken baby', what actually
happened is somebody either slammed that babies head into something, or hit
the baby hard enough in the head to cause the injuries.
>
Michael Snyder
Wholely correctly, by me. The detectives behaved abominably.
> > > It would be next to impossible for a small 13 year old girl, to shake
a
> 20
> > > month old child to death.
> >
> > No, now you're going too far. Of course she *could* have done it.
> > There's just no evidence other than what was obtained under egregious
> > circumstances. Petite and female doesn't equal innocent --
> > not proven guilty equals innocent.
>
>
> Petite does equate, be it a young boy or girl. Hell, I couldn't shake a
kid
> that size long enough to do the damage that was done to her.
You don't know that. This is my most common quarrel with you.
You form opinions based on no facts at all, and then insist on them
as if they were fact. This person must be guilty. That person can't
be guilty.
> I've watched
> these experts testify about 'shaken baby' syndrome.
And I've read about countless infants killed by women,
many of them small women.
ntantiques
Michael Snyder wrote:
> Gonna hate myself for this, but I have to come down with Tiny on this
> one.
> There's no fucking way they should have been interrogating that kid
> without a lawyer OR a parent present. No evidence or testimony
> obtained
> under those circumstances from a 13 year old child should be
> admissable.
> > It would be next to impossible for a small 13 year old girl, to shake a 20
> > month old child to death.
>
> No, now you're going too far. Of course she *could* have done it.
> There's just no evidence other than what was obtained under egregious
> circumstances. Petite and female doesn't equal innocent --
> not proven guilty equals innocent.
Watched this episode too - found myself wondering if the all three
potential suspects weren't responsible for this poor kid's injuries. I
can see a situation where the mother and/or the bf (and my money is on
him) had previously shaken the little girl - enough to create an
element of brain bruising and injury that could make her extremely
vulnerable to any other small injury that could have happened while an
impatient and not terribly experienced 13 year old was trying to bathe
a fussy child.
Although the mother did her best to present herself as loving, caring,
and responsible, I didn't buy it. Leaving your kids with a 13 year old
you don't even really know so you can party with your coke-head bf for
days on end kind of shoots that image all to hell. ..and multiple Child
Protective Services calls don't just happen out of the blue.
The taped interrogation the young sitter was subjected to was
incredibly manipulative and out of line - can't believe the police and
DA thought they could possibly get a judge to go along with it. Just
unbelievable.
NT
Michael Snyder
"ntantiques" <ntant...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Just curious -- you note the mother's irresponsibility, her previous
affairs with CPS (you don't mention it, but must be aware that she
had another child die without plausible cause), and the only thing
you mark about the BF is that he's a coke-head (which applies
equally to the mother as well). What makes you say that your
money is on the BF?
tiny dancer
"ntantiques" <ntant...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
Don't forget, this crack head mother had already lost one child, under
questionable means, to 'crib death', in addition to the numerous reports to
child protective services.
>
tiny dancer
"Michael Snyder" <msn...@socmen.org> wrote in message
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We aren't talking about an infant here, we are talking about a 20 month old
child. There's a big difference between a 7 pound infant and a 25 pound
child.
>
>
>
Bo Raxo
>
>
>
> Don't forget, this crack head mother had already lost one child, under
> questionable means, to 'crib death', in addition to the numerous reports
to
> child protective services.
> >
Except that there is zero evidence that she has ever used crack, much less
is a crack head. Cocaine users and crack smokers are not the same breed.
tiny dancer
So you are more inclined to blame a 13 year old child, with zero history of
any sorts of *problems*, and after 19 hours of grilling by unscrupulous
detectives who *fed* her details, than a mother, who lost one kid to *crib
death*, had numerous reports against her to child protective services,
cocaine found in the bedroom where she and bf were holed up most of the day.
Sorry, but I'm not. WTF were they even doing in a house that had been
empty? Where there was no furniture, other than a futon and a TV set,
little food in the house, and bf and mom were out partying three nights in a
row, leaving these two little kids with a 13 year old girl. The time bf and
mom did spend in the home, they were locked in a bedroom with their drugs.
Why did they send the 13 yr. old and the five year old 'out to a movie' in
the hours before? Those two people were alone in that house with that
baby. And in the questioning, the 13 year old protested that 'she didn't do
what the cops were saying she did, and that the other child was right there
with her and the baby the whole time. A five year old is certainly old
enough to *tell* whether she had shaken that baby or not.
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Bo Raxo
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> "Bo Raxo" <invasio...@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message
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> > "tiny dancer" <tinyda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't forget, this crack head mother had already lost one child, under
> > > questionable means, to 'crib death', in addition to the numerous
reports
> > to
> > > child protective services.
> > > >
> >
> > Except that there is zero evidence that she has ever used crack, much
less
> > is a crack head. Cocaine users and crack smokers are not the same
breed.
>
>
> So you are more inclined to blame a 13 year old child, with zero history
of
> any sorts of *problems*, and after 19 hours of grilling by unscrupulous
> detectives who *fed* her details, than a mother, who lost one kid to
*crib
> death*, had numerous reports against her to child protective services,
> cocaine found in the bedroom where she and bf were holed up most of the
day.
No, I didn't see the show, I'll defer to your judgement. I was just
pointing out that you keep calling the mother a "crack head" and a "crack
ho", when there's zero evidence of crack or prostitution. I thought that
maybe you figured crack and powder cocaine are pretty much the same in terms
of user profile, which they aren't.
Kathy
> Michael Snyder wrote:
>
>
>>Gonna hate myself for this, but I have to come down with Tiny on this
>>one.
>>There's no fucking way they should have been interrogating that kid
>>without a lawyer OR a parent present. No evidence or testimony
>>obtained
>>under those circumstances from a 13 year old child should be
>>admissable.
>
>
>>>It would be next to impossible for a small 13 year old girl, to shake a 20
>>>month old child to death.
>>
>>No, now you're going too far. Of course she *could* have done it.
>>There's just no evidence other than what was obtained under egregious
>>circumstances. Petite and female doesn't equal innocent --
>>not proven guilty equals innocent.
>
>
> Watched this episode too - found myself wondering if the all three
> potential suspects weren't responsible for this poor kid's injuries.
Not criminally I guess, but the babysitter's parents bear some
responsibility here also. The 13-year-old was in a terrible situation -
babysitting for two small children for such a long stretch in a
basically empty house. Too much responsibility for a 13-year-old under
those circumstances.
I ended up thinking that any of the 3 suspects could have done it and
that the judge made the correct decision.
Kathy
glas
What a creepy woman she was. I really didn't like her at all. What kind of
place was that to have the kids living in? And to basically ignore them all
weekend...sheesh...not exactly mother of the year, eh?
Poor kids, and I mean all THREE of them because I felt sorry for the
babysitter.
chrissy
tiny dancer
Nope, the teenager did it. That letter is a confession. Case closed.
[Insert sound effect of steel door slamming shut]
Bo Raxo
You seem to have made a rather hasty first judgement though, bo.
I was just
> pointing out that you keep calling the mother a "crack head" and a "crack
> ho", when there's zero evidence of crack or prostitution. I thought that
> maybe you figured crack and powder cocaine are pretty much the same in
terms
> of user profile, which they aren't.
Yes, I referred to the mother as a 'crack ho', because I actually *saw* the
woman. I don't think it was specified in the 48 Hours program exactly *how*
that cocaine was ingested by mom, but one look at her and her demeanor,
personally speaking, the woman was a *crack ho* IME.
YMMV
td
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ntantiques
Just a gut feeling... probably based in part on the fact that the guy
refused to be interviewed. We do know he had a fairly nasty police
record and was never presented by the mother as being involved in a
parential way with her kids. Given that she had already lost one child
under strange circumstances and had CPS breathing down her neck on a
regular basis, I'd think she'd have been pretty paranoid about
physically abusing the kids. Sure, being stoned off one's ass does
impact judgement...
I think it's likely something did happen while the sitter was away at
the movies with the other kid - it's plausable that the BF got sick of
hearing the kid crying & went to "quiet her." Nowhere in the program
did we hear that he had any experience dealing with children. He could
easily have hurt her - even unintentionally.
The sitter did say that when she returned the child was crying,
fussing, and "afraid to go into the bath." That certainly might be
consistent with some significant, but not obvious, injury having been
inflicted during the sitters absence.
NT
Michael Snyder
>
> Michael Snyder wrote:
> > "ntantiques" <ntant...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:1139127972....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > Michael Snyder wrote:
>
> > Just curious -- you note the mother's irresponsibility, her previous
> > affairs with CPS (you don't mention it, but must be aware that she
> > had another child die without plausible cause), and the only thing
> > you mark about the BF is that he's a coke-head (which applies
> > equally to the mother as well). What makes you say that your
> > money is on the BF?
>
> Just a gut feeling... probably based in part on the fact that the guy
> refused to be interviewed.
Well, the mom wouldn't even return the cops' calls for about
2 weeks after the child died.
> We do know he had a fairly nasty police record
No violent crime, just drugs.
> and was never presented by the mother as being involved in a
> parential way with her kids.
So? They weren't his kids.
> Given that she had already lost one child
> under strange circumstances and had CPS breathing down her neck on a
> regular basis, I'd think she'd have been pretty paranoid about
> physically abusing the kids.
Umm, that doesn't make sense. Her record, which in fact is
MORE suspicious than his, makes you LESS suspicious of her.
> Sure, being stoned off one's ass does
> impact judgement...
> I think it's likely something did happen while the sitter was away at
> the movies with the other kid - it's plausable that the BF got sick of
> hearing the kid crying & went to "quiet her." Nowhere in the program
> did we hear that he had any experience dealing with children. He could
> easily have hurt her - even unintentionally.
That's 100% speculation.
robbielynn
I found Morningstar very suspicious. The 14 year old , or was she 15,
should
not have been left alone for so many nights with an infant. In all my
babysitting
days, no mother wanted or expected me to bathe an infant. The girl's
father
was right and should have followed his instincts and said no to having
his
daughter keep the "crack ho's" baby busy for another night while
"mommy" was entertaining. - Robbielynn
ntantiques
Michael Snyder wrote:
>
> That's 100% speculation.
Absolutely...and aren't we all simply tossing in our two bits based
upon the limited information presented in a "news" program? Bottom
line is that the poor kid died and legal responsibility for the crime
will probably never be determined because of the unprofessional conduct
of the investigating officers.
NT
tiny dancer
"Michael Snyder" <msn...@socmen.org> wrote in message
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>
Of course I know that. I've held enough kids in my life to know that, have
you?
This is my most common quarrel with you.
> You form opinions based on no facts at all, and then insist on them
> as if they were fact. This person must be guilty. That person can't
> be guilty.
The judge tells a jury to 'use their common sense', of which you obviously
have none. How many 20 month olds have you cared for? Kids that age
stiffen up if they don't want to be held. They kick, fight, bite, etc. Try
dragging a 20 month old in the fits of a tantrum anywhere. They appear to
possess super-human strength in their ability to resist.
>
> > I've watched
> > these experts testify about 'shaken baby' syndrome.
>
> And I've read about countless infants killed by women,
> many of them small women.
We aren't talking about an *infant* here mikey, get your facts straight
before commenting.
>
>
>
Michael Snyder
"Courtney" <ve...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <43e5b58e$0$95955$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
> msn...@socmen.org says...
> > > Petite does equate, be it a young boy or girl. Hell, I couldn't shake
a
> > kid
> > > that size long enough to do the damage that was done to her.
> >
> > You don't know that. This is my most common quarrel with you.
> > You form opinions based on no facts at all, and then insist on them
> > as if they were fact. This person must be guilty. That person can't
> > be guilty.
> >
>
> time, have you? =)
In fact I have. I am not a father, but I am an uncle many times over
(I have six siblings).
> I'm 110lb and 5'6" and not completely lacking in the muscle department
> yet am nearly 100% sure that I would have not been able to cause shaken
> baby syndrome on my now 3 year old once he got decent head control
> around 6 months, much less after a year.
OK -- and what are your credentials for being certain of this?
> Unless a toddler that age was unconcious or severely weak due to either
> some sort of physical reason (like previous damaging abuse), they'd put
> up a fight.
Now I must assert that it is *you* who has not been around
very many toddlers. They aren't all alike in the "put up a fight"
department. As is common with human beings, they differ.
I saw the one in this case on 48 hrs, and she looked pretty
passive, not much of a fighter.
And in the end -- what difference does it make? If an adult man
can beat an adult woman to death when there is like a 20 percent
difference in their body mass, how can you assert that with a
FIVE HUNDRED PERCENT difference, you couldn't shake an
18 month old baby to death?
Bottom line -- it happens all the time. Parents shake children
to death. Your argument fails in the face of evidence.
> At less than a year, my son was able to kick hard enough to
> cause pretty bad bruises and if he didn't want to be picked up because
> he was mad for some reason, it was a VERY big struggle to ensure that he
> wouldn't flip out of my arms and hurt himself.
A statistic of one. Google up a picture of the girl.
Michael Snyder
tiny dancer wrote:
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> > "tiny dancer" <tinyda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > Petite does equate, be it a young boy or girl. Hell, I couldn't shake a
> > kid
> > > that size long enough to do the damage that was done to her.
> >
> > You don't know that.
>
>
> Of course I know that. I've held enough kids in my life to know that, have
> you?
Kameron Demery was 2 years old when he was shaken to death
by his foster mother Evelyn Kay Miller (sentenced to 15 years).
Jacob Miller was also 2 years old when his aunt Angela Hope Miller
(who had adopted him) shook him to death. She claimed that he hurt
himself from a fall.
Marisela Borajas was 19 months old when her mother Maria Sabrina
Borajas, who had already lost custody of her twice, shook her to death.
Tralon "Tray" Balentine was 44 months old, more than TWICE as old
as the child in the 48 Hours case, when he was shaken to death by
his stepmother Phyllis Turner.
No, I never personally knew or held any of them.
tiny dancer
I guessed you missed my thoughts on 'shaken baby syndrome' after infancy.
>
Michael Snyder
I guess your thoughts are easy to miss. Not surprising, since
you so easily miss counter-examples that disprove your "thoughts"...
Bo Raxo
tiny dancer wrote:
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>
Yes I did. Funny thing, I was just talking about this case with a
friend of mine who watched the 48 Hours thing. She's a very
people-savvy person, and her take was the same as yours: the cops were
railroading the teen. She said that the teen seemed very young for her
age, more like the maturity of a 10 or 11 year old.
>
> I was just
> > pointing out that you keep calling the mother a "crack head" and a "crack
> > ho", when there's zero evidence of crack or prostitution. I thought that
> > maybe you figured crack and powder cocaine are pretty much the same in
> terms
> > of user profile, which they aren't.
>
>
> Yes, I referred to the mother as a 'crack ho', because I actually *saw* the
> woman. I don't think it was specified in the 48 Hours program exactly *how*
> that cocaine was ingested by mom, but one look at her and her demeanor,
> personally speaking, the woman was a *crack ho* IME.
>
> YMMV
>
Well, I've never had a conversation with a crack whore. I have
observed and talked to crack users. I sat in the apartment of the
cousin of my city's mayor while she and her friends smoked the stuff.
She offered me a taste, I declined, held up my bottle of schnapps and
said that was more my speed. Looking at what the stuff did to her over
a few years (including aging her at about five times the normal rate),
that shit is just straight out scary.
Point being, crack user and crack ho, not the same. So yes, my mileage
did vary.
I have a weird knack for talking my way in to strange places, but I
like observing behaviors outside my normal experience, and people seem
to be trusting and willing to let me in to their world. But sometimes
I'll look around and go, "boy, do I ever end up in the middle of some
serious weirdness."
Couple of years ago a friend dragged me along on an adventure and I
ended up in the home of a flamboyantly gay coke dealer, with his salon
of equally flamboyant pals getting high. We started talking about
medieval history. He showed me to his "library" (a tiny little room),
and pulled out what he said were genuine pages from a 12th century
manuscript, the "illuminated" type. Gorgeous museum quality stuff. In
a shithole apartment in a poor neighborhood. Like I said, serious
weirdness.
Bo Raxo
tiny dancer
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> tiny dancer wrote:
> > "Bo Raxo" <invasio...@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > You seem to have made a rather hasty first judgement though, bo.
> >
>
> Yes I did. Funny thing, I was just talking about this case with a
> friend of mine who watched the 48 Hours thing. She's a very
> people-savvy person, and her take was the same as yours: the cops were
> railroading the teen. She said that the teen seemed very young for her
> age, more like the maturity of a 10 or 11 year old.
Yes, the kid did seem very young for her age, and she wasn't supposed to be
babysitting *alone* all weekend. There was supposed to be a sixteen yr. old
with her. She, the 13 yr. old, being only a *helper*. Personally, I think
the parents of the dead child had planned it this way the whole time. There
never was a 16 yr. old. They were looking for somebody to pawn those two
little children off on, for free. This couple was a real piece of work.
They lied to the babysitters parents to get her there to begin with.
I am a bit disappointed I needed your 'other friend' to be validated though.
>
> >
> > I was just
> > > pointing out that you keep calling the mother a "crack head" and a
"crack
> > > ho", when there's zero evidence of crack or prostitution. I thought
that
> > > maybe you figured crack and powder cocaine are pretty much the same in
> > terms
> > > of user profile, which they aren't.
> >
> >
> > Yes, I referred to the mother as a 'crack ho', because I actually *saw*
the
> > woman. I don't think it was specified in the 48 Hours program exactly
*how*
> > that cocaine was ingested by mom, but one look at her and her demeanor,
> > personally speaking, the woman was a *crack ho* IME.
> >
> > YMMV
> >
>
> Well, I've never had a conversation with a crack whore. I have
> observed and talked to crack users. I sat in the apartment of the
> cousin of my city's mayor while she and her friends smoked the stuff.
> She offered me a taste, I declined, held up my bottle of schnapps and
> said that was more my speed. Looking at what the stuff did to her over
> a few years (including aging her at about five times the normal rate),
> that shit is just straight out scary.
>
> Point being, crack user and crack ho, not the same. So yes, my mileage
> did vary.
Granted, I was using literary license. ;) I simply couldn't help it, the
mother of that poor dead child totally disgusted me. Her demeanor, her
*tearless* whines, plus she did look road hard and put away wet. Nothing
would surprise me about her. Whether they were closeted away in the bedroom
in that empty house smoking crack, coke, or whatever, she 'looked like' a
crack ho to me. Everything about her reeked of nastiness.
>
> I have a weird knack for talking my way in to strange places, but I
> like observing behaviors outside my normal experience, and people seem
> to be trusting and willing to let me in to their world. But sometimes
> I'll look around and go, "boy, do I ever end up in the middle of some
> serious weirdness."
Yup. ;-)
td
Marlene Blanshay
the mother sounded like an absolute idiot... MORNINGSTAR... yikes. She
and her family came across as total flakes... and this woman was
irresponsible and immature. SHe leaves a 13 year old to take care of her
kids while she fucks her boyfriend? Even the girl knew someone else
should have been there- she was taking care of a BABY. The adults in
this story were more childlike than the parents. If anyone should be
charged with negligence it's Crackhead mom and her loser boyfriend. Her
kids should have been taken into foster care from the get-go.