20 y.o.man is found guilty of beating both parents to death in CA,faces Life in prison
Joe1orbit
Hello,
Over in California, 20 year old Alex Valentine has been found guilty of
beating BOTH of his parents to death. He slaughtered them both, inside of the
business that they owned, after his mother found out that he was getting very
bad grades in college and was about to flunk out.
She confronted him, and no doubt expressed anger/disappointment/condemnation
over the fact that "her" son, her OWNED piece of human property, was failing to
live up to her "expectations. Alex finally decided to show his slaveowners what
he thought of having been their slave for 19-20 years. And so he attacked them
both, beating them to death and cathartically freeing himself from the bonds of
slavery that your society placed him into.
Sentencing will be in February, and Alex faces the likelihood of Life in
prison with no chance for parole. His attorney plans to appeal the conviction.
I wish him luck, since I have a special fondness in my heart for children, of
ANY age, who kill their parents.
Take care, JOE
The following appears courtesy of the 12/20/97 online edition of The San
Diego Union-Tribune newspaper:
Valentine convicted in slayings of parents
Ex-honor student faces life in prison
By Anne Krueger
STAFF WRITER
December 20, 1997
A former honor student at Torrey Pines High School softly wept yesterday as he
was found guilty of beating his parents to death, a conviction that means he
probably will spend the rest of his life in prison.
Jurors found 20-year-old Alex Valentine of Carmel Valley guilty of first-degree
murder in the death of his father, Kenneth, and of second-degree murder in the
slaying of his mother, Diane, at their Mira Mesa water purification business on
Aug. 2, 1996.
The jury also agreed with allegations that call for life in prison without
parole for Valentine when he is sentenced Feb. 11.
Valentine's lawyer, Eugene Iredale, said his client initially was stunned by
the verdict, then quietly cried.
"He said, 'I'm innocent. What happened? I thought it was supposed to be a fair
process,' " Iredale said.
In testimony, Valentine denied that he bludgeoned his parents and then
confessed. He told a jury he had no idea his parents were dead until police
roused him early on Aug. 3 at the family's home and told him he was being
charged with murder.
Police, however, said Valentine admitted the killings while he was in the back
of a patrol car on the way to jail, eight hours after his parents' bodies were
found.
Two detectives testified that Valentine broke down and said he beat his mother
with a pipe wrench because she had threatened to tell his father he was
flunking out of Harvey Mudd College and to kick him out of the house.
They said Valentine told them he killed his father because he showed up at the
business unexpectedly to take his wife out to dinner for her birthday.
Prosecutor Rebecca Blair presented evidence that Valentine had twice forged
transcripts with inflated grades and sent them to the University of California
Berkeley, where he tried to transfer after flunking out of Harvey Mudd. He then
lied to his parents about the transcripts, she said.
"It wasn't about disappointing his parents. It was about keeping up a fraud,"
Blair said. "He didn't want anyone to learn the truth."
Juror Eddie Curry said the panel convicted Valentine of second-degree murder in
his mother's death because they felt the killing of the 55-year-old woman
occurred during an "angry outburst." The death of Kenneth Valentine, 51,
appeared to be premeditated and warranted a first-degree murder conviction,
Curry said.
"The evidence was very overwhelming that he committed this crime," Curry said.
Iredale said he plans to appeal the verdict.
"Alex's grandmother and members of his family have strongly supported him and
believe in his innocence, and they continue to do so," Iredale said.
He said prosecutors were allowed to introduce character evidence that was not
relevant to the charges but biased jurors so that they did not believe
Valentine when he testified.
Iredale said he found it unbelievable that Valentine confessed in the back seat
of a patrol car.
"To me, that strains credulity," he said. "I'm suggesting to you that the
police made it up."
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The following appears courtesy of yesterday's Associated Press news wire:
SAN DIEGO (AP) - A man was convicted Friday of beating his parents to death
after his mother found out he was flunking out of college.
After four days of deliberations, a jury found 20-year-old Alex Valentine
guilty of murder in the August 1996 slayings of his parents.
He faces a life prison term without the possibility of parole at his Feb. 11
sentencing.
The battered bodies of Diane Valentine, 55, and Kenneth Valentine, 51, were
found inside their water purification systems business in Mira Mesa.
Prosecutors said Valentine was flunking out of Harvey Mudd College and lied on
admission applications to the University of California, Berkeley. He killed his
parents so he could continue living a life of fraud after his mother found out
about his grades, prosecutor Rebecca Blair said.
``It was so important to him what people thought of him,'' Ms. Blair said.
Defense attorney Gene Iredale said he plans to appeal.
He said detectives lied about getting a confession.
``It came down to his word against two sworn police officers,'' Iredale said.
AP-NY-12-19-97
Paula King
Joe1orbit
psk...@webtv.net (Paula King) Wrote:
>I agree with you Joe, I have a fondness for children also.
Hello,
Thank you for having the intelligence to agree with me. I don't have any
emotional "fondness" for any living thing, other than myself. But I do have a
fondness for truth and for a human being making the choice to seek and claim
violent vengeance, as they and they alone, see fit.
>But, was he
>really a slave to his parents.
All children are born into slavery. Your society forces all children to be
subservient and at the mercy of their biological creators/legal guardians. The
fact that this man was 20 years old when he slaughtered his parents has no
bearing upon the fact that he was forced to live out his entire childhood in
slavery. IMNSVHO, he had a absolute right to claim deadly vengeance against
anyone he chose, and most especially against the two slaveowners who raised,
dominated, controlled, and legally owned him, for his entire childhood.
> This sounds like a ruling for "reason
>for insanity"
Well, he and his attorney chose to plead Not Guilty, rather than to enter an
insanity defense. Certainly I would have honored and respected Alex and his
decision to plead insanity, if he had chosen to make it. But there is nothing
inherently "insane" about a slave killing his or her master(s), IMO.
Take care, JOE
>
>Regards,
>--WebTV-Mail-1043943538-5572--
Agent@Large
Let me see if I've got this right: This 20 year-old "slave" killed his
"slave-owners" (parents) because he was afraid of feedom - i.e., being
put out of the house. A twenty year old - with NO evidence of abuse in
his past - has "the right" to blungeon his parents to death for no
other reason than fear of being put out of the house.
It's ok for children to be slaves to the State, but not to their
parents. Mr. NRA and his groupies are truly idiotic.
Joe1orbit
psk...@webtv.net (Paula King) Wrote:
>>>I agree with you Joe, I have a fondness for children also.
Joe1...@aol.com Wrote:
>>>Regards,
>>
>>>--WebTV-Mail-1043943538-5572--
ag...@ie-com.com (Agent@Large) Wrote:
>Let me see if I've got this right: This 20 year-old "slave" killed his
>"slave-owners" (parents) because he was afraid of feedom - i.e., being
>put out of the house.
Hello,
The only person who knows exactly why he killed his parents is 20 year old
Alex himself. I do not presume to speak for him, or to try and guess why he
killed them. All I know is that he had a ONE HUNDRED percent ABSOLUTE right to
slaughter them, if his True Reality life experiences so allowed or dictated. He
was born into SLAVERY. He was kept as a SLAVE, and his society did not even try
to determine whether his slaveowners were competent, prior to condemning Alex
to an entire childhood of slavery. He had every right in the world to seek and
claim violent vengeance, based upon the sum total of his own UNIQUE life
experiences. A sum total that NOBODY on planet earth but Alex can look at and
judge without bias.
> A twenty year old - with NO evidence of abuse in
>his past - has "the right" to blungeon his parents to death for no
>other reason than fear of being put out of the house.
He has the right to bludgeon his parents to death if the sum total of his
life experiences, in his own mental interpretation, GIVE him that right. ONLY
he can judge whether he has this right. I fully respect and acknowledge the
validity of that right, as Alex chose to express it, via the slaughter of his
parents.
>It's ok for children to be slaves to the State, but not to their
>parents.
The State has an obligation to make every effort to prevent incompetent and
abusive parents from gaining and keeping possession of their offspring. NO
parent, not even one judged competent in a previous test, should be SAFE from
the THREAT of having their offspring seized by the State, at any time. The
burden of PROOF, as to competency, should always be on the biological
creators/legal guardians to PROVE their COMPETENCE. The burden of proof should
NOT be on the State, where they have to prove the biological parents or legal
guardians to be INcompetent.
>Mr. NRA and his groupies are truly idiotic.
Your opinion of me is irrelevent and meaningless to me. As for my groupies,
those with the intelligence to recognize the profound truths which I express,
they can speak for themselves.
Take care, JOE
Agent@Large
On 22 Dec 1997 13:59:55 GMT, joe1...@aol.com (Joe1orbit) wrote:
>ag...@ie-com.com (Agent@Large) Wrote:
>
>>Let me see if I've got this right: This 20 year-old "slave" killed his
>>"slave-owners" (parents) because he was afraid of feedom - i.e., being
>>put out of the house.
>
> Hello,
>
> The only person who knows exactly why he killed his parents is 20 year old
>Alex himself. I do not presume to speak for him, or to try and guess why he
>killed them. All I know is that he had a ONE HUNDRED percent ABSOLUTE right to
>slaughter them, if his True Reality life experiences so allowed or dictated. He
>was born into SLAVERY. He was kept as a SLAVE, and his society did not even try
>to determine whether his slaveowners were competent, prior to condemning Alex
>to an entire childhood of slavery. He had every right in the world to seek and
>claim violent vengeance, based upon the sum total of his own UNIQUE life
>experiences. A sum total that NOBODY on planet earth but Alex can look at and
>judge without bias.
Then how come you flap your gums all the time about how "pathetic" and
"brainwashed" people are? You are the most judgemental human that I
have ever come across. If one's so-called "true reality" dictates that
one slaughters his parents, that's one's "right" in your view. But if
a parent's "true reality" is to lightly spank his or her child, you
indignantly proclaim they DON'T have such a right and would have the
child seized from his or her home. You respect no one's "true reality"
unless they are a serial killer, or something of the sort. DON'T JUDGE
THE KILLER, but by all means, judge the "unwashed masses." Only
murderers act on their "true reality," eh? You are a bona fide
nutcase. (And I couldn't care less that you find my opinions
meaningless...so would a monkey.)
>
>> A twenty year old - with NO evidence of abuse in
>>his past - has "the right" to blungeon his parents to death for no
>>other reason than fear of being put out of the house.
>
> He has the right to bludgeon his parents to death if the sum total of his
>life experiences, in his own mental interpretation, GIVE him that right. ONLY
>he can judge whether he has this right. I fully respect and acknowledge the
>validity of that right, as Alex chose to express it, via the slaughter of his
>parents.
Great philosophy: everybody has the right to do anything they want to
anybody for any reason as long as they can justify it to themselves.
>
>>It's ok for children to be slaves to the State, but not to their
>>parents.
>
> The State has an obligation to make every effort to prevent incompetent and
>abusive parents from gaining and keeping possession of their offspring. NO
>parent, not even one judged competent in a previous test, should be SAFE from
>the THREAT of having their offspring seized by the State, at any time. The
>burden of PROOF, as to competency, should always be on the biological
>creators/legal guardians to PROVE their COMPETENCE. The burden of proof should
>NOT be on the State, where they have to prove the biological parents or legal
>guardians to be INcompetent.
I don't trust the State - only brainwashed fools like yourself would
give that much power and authority to the State. The State will screw
things up a hell of a lot worse than individuals. (And I work for the
State, Mr. NRA.)
>
>>Mr. NRA and his groupies are truly idiotic.
>
> Your opinion of me is irrelevent and meaningless to me. As for my groupies,
>those with the intelligence to recognize the profound truths which I express,
>they can speak for themselves.
The only thing profound about you is how you've managed to avoid being
committed to a psychiatric institution for so long. And I don't give a
shit whether you find my opinion irelevant or meaningless - the facts
speak for themselves. You and the rest of the Orbiteers are too
mentally ill to see the truth, anyway.
Joe1orbit
ag...@ie-com.com (Agent@Large) Wrote:
>>>Let me see if I've got this right: This 20 year-old "slave" killed his
>>>"slave-owners" (parents) because he was afraid of feedom - i.e., being
>>>put out of the house.
Joe1...@aol.com Wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> The only person who knows exactly why he killed his parents is 20 year old
>>Alex himself. I do not presume to speak for him, or to try and guess why he
>>killed them. All I know is that he had a ONE HUNDRED percent ABSOLUTE right
>to
>>slaughter them, if his True Reality life experiences so allowed or dictated.
>He
>>was born into SLAVERY. He was kept as a SLAVE, and his society did not even
>try
>>to determine whether his slaveowners were competent, prior to condemning
>Alex
>>to an entire childhood of slavery. He had every right in the world to seek
>and
>>claim violent vengeance, based upon the sum total of his own UNIQUE life
>>experiences. A sum total that NOBODY on planet earth but Alex can look at
>and
>>judge without bias.
ag...@ie-com.com (Agent@Large) Wrote:
>Then how come you flap your gums all the time about how "pathetic" and
>"brainwashed" people are?
Hello,
How come? Because they are pathetic and brainwashed. This 20 year old very
likely was pathetic and brainwashed as well, by his society. That has no
bearing upon his legitimate right to seek and claim vengeance against his
society, his slaveowners, or anyone else, that his True Realy dictates or
allows.
> You are the most judgemental human that I
>have ever come across.
No, I am the LEAST judgemental human being you have ever come across, as long
as the issues that are being judged involve TRUTH and rationality.
> If one's so-called "true reality" dictates that
>one slaughters his parents, that's one's "right" in your view.
It's right if the individual killer, within their core emotional makeup,
which consists of the sum total of his or her life experiences, perceives it to
be right.
> But if
>a parent's "true reality" is to lightly spank his or her child, you
>indignantly proclaim they DON'T have such a right and would have the
>child seized from his or her home.
Absolutely. But I do not BLAME the parents. I blame society for ALLOWING the
parents to abuse their child. Society has an obligation to seize the children
from the home. but I pass NO NEGATIVE moral or personal condemnation upon the
PARENTS. They have as legitimate a True Reality right to abuse their children,
as the 20 year old has a right to kill his parents. SOCIETY has an obligation
to prevent the parents from abusing their child.
Society has NO right to "prevent" the 20 year old from killing his parents,
because society is RESPONSIBLE for having ALLOWED, enabled, and facilities that
20 year old to SUFFER abuse & trauma at the hands of society and it's insane
laws regarding parental possession, children's rights, etc...
>You respect no one's "true reality"
>unless they are a serial killer, or something of the sort.
I respect everyone's true reality. I admire serial killers more than I admire
law-abiding citizens. That doesn't mean I don't "respect" the law abiding
citizen. I respect their right to be a brainwashed and irrational slave,
because it is NOT THEIR individual and personal FAULT that they are this way.
It is the fault of society.
>DON'T JUDGE
>THE KILLER, but by all means, judge the "unwashed masses."
Correct. Judge the unwashed masses because they are part of the society that
CREATED the serial killer. They are responsible for having created him. They
have no right to judge that which they have created through their own
perversity, irrationality, abuse, trauma, prejudice, etc...
>Only
>murderers act on their "true reality," eh?
No. You act upon the True Reality that you have been brainwashed into
believing and accepting. The vast majority of killers, in their acts of murder,
break free from the shackles of societal lies, and on SOME level, in many cases
not even a conscious level, embrace the GENUINE TRUTH of their lives. Something
that you can never do, because you are a hopelessly brainwashed slave.
You are a bona fide
>nutcase. (And I couldn't care less that you find my opinions
>meaningless...so would a monkey.)
Your opinion of me is totally irrelevent and meaningless to me. But I see the
true picture. On some tiny level, you KNOW that I speak the TRUTH. And this
terrifies you. Why? Because you know that if you ever faced up to the true
facts of exactly what your life consists of, and what you place within society
consists of, you would suffer a MENTAL COLLAPSE. A breakdown. You could NEVER
face up to the TRUTH. And so it disturbs you greatly to read my truths and on
some level, to "deal" with the profoundly upsetting facts that I bring forth
in my posts.
>>> A twenty year old - with NO evidence of abuse in
>>>his past - has "the right" to blungeon his parents to death for no
>>>other reason than fear of being put out of the house.
>> He has the right to bludgeon his parents to death if the sum total of his
>>life experiences, in his own mental interpretation, GIVE him that right.
>ONLY
>>he can judge whether he has this right. I fully respect and acknowledge the
>>validity of that right, as Alex chose to express it, via the slaughter of
>his
>>parents.
>Great philosophy: everybody has the right to do anything they want to
>anybody for any reason as long as they can justify it to >themselves.
Yes. It's not just a "great" philosophy, it's a 100% rational and
truth-embracing philosophy. Which of course means that it is totally abhorrant
in your irrational and lie-based perception of your own True Reality experience
of life.
>>>It's ok for children to be slaves to the State, but not to their
>>>parents.
>> The State has an obligation to make every effort to prevent incompetent
>and
>>abusive parents from gaining and keeping possession of their offspring. NO
>>parent, not even one judged competent in a previous test, should be SAFE
>from
>>the THREAT of having their offspring seized by the State, at any time. The
>>burden of PROOF, as to competency, should always be on the biological
>>creators/legal guardians to PROVE their COMPETENCE. The burden of proof
>should
>>NOT be on the State, where they have to prove the biological parents or
>legal
>>guardians to be INcompetent.
>I don't trust the State - only brainwashed fools like yourself would
>give that much power and authority to the State. The State will screw
>things up a hell of a lot worse than individuals. (And I work for the
>State, Mr. NRA.)
It's unbelievable. You are the GREATEST SLAVE in existence, and yet you
perceive yourself as being free. In fact, you fiercely defend your "separation"
from the State. When in fact, your State OWNS you, hook, line, and sinker. If
it wasn't SO incredibly sad, it would be funny.
>>>Mr. NRA and his groupies are truly idiotic.
>> Your opinion of me is irrelevent and meaningless to me. As for my
>groupies,
>>those with the intelligence to recognize the profound truths which I
>express,
>>they can speak for themselves.
>The only thing profound about you is how you've managed to avoid being
>committed to a psychiatric institution for so long.
You are TERRIFIED. Thank you, thank you for the gift of your fear. I relish
it. Just as much as I relish the admiration of my fans. I am very hungry. I
relish eating up the affection, hatred, but I think I find your fear, the most
delicious item on my plate.
>And I don't give a
>shit whether you find my opinion irelevant or meaningless - the facts
>speak for themselves.
Your opinion is totally irrelevent and meaningless. And yes, the facts do
speak for themselves.
> You and the rest of the Orbiteers are too
>mentally ill to see the truth, anyway.
But in the END, the real end, I will win. Truth always wins out, even if it
takes ten thousand years. The lies and hypocrisy and irrationality that YOU
bring to the table, along with your BILLIONS of Unwashed Sheeple, are what will
EXTINCT the human race. And I'm willing to bet that it will be ONE individual
person, someone just as intelligent and enraged as I am, who will wipe out ALL
of your lies and irrationality. He (or she) will be the ONLY real "god" that
has ever existed, when he or she sets in motion the chain of events that will
PERMANENTLY wipe this pathetic human race off the planet.
Take care, JOE
Dawg
Joe, part of the issue is that you do speak SOME of the truth - I think that
society is greatly responsible for serial killers (although in some cases it
could be chemical/neurological) and that society makes us act in ways that
aren't necesarily right. HOWEVER, you are claiming that a "slave" (in this
case a child or a 20 year old son) has more right to life than his "owners"
(parents). This child was old enough not to have to be a slave anymore, if
he so desired, even by society's rules. He could leave and be whatever sort
of person he wanted, instead he chose to kill his parents. I am sure, even
in your sick little society, that this doesn't seem to be the easiest or
best option.
Joe1orbit wrote in message
<19971223051...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
Joe1orbit
"Dawg" <da...@aonline.com> Wrote:
>Joe, part of the issue is that you do speak SOME of the truth - I think that
>society is greatly responsible for serial killers (although in some cases it
>could be chemical/neurological) and that society makes us act in ways that
>aren't necesarily right.
Hello,
I'm back from my trip, and your post has the honor of being the very first
one that I will reply to. Actually, even though I am back, don't expect me to
be posting any NEW news stories or articles until later TOMORROW afternoon,
since I have many chores and other activities that will occupy my time for most
of tomorrow.
To reply to your points, I speak the COMPLETE truth, in my comments below and
in all the posts I make. Your society is FAR more evil and perverse than even
the most prolific and cold-blooded serial or mass killer could ever hope to be.
> HOWEVER, you are claiming that a "slave" (in this
>case a child or a 20 year old son) has more right to life than his "owners"
>(parents).
Yes, that is exactly what I am claiming. And the reason WHY, is because your
society GAVE this 20 year old man into the UNTESTED and UNCHALLENGED possession
of his biological parents, 20 years ago. Non, 20 years later, the slave has a
right to CLAIM VENGEANCE and kill his owners, if hisTrue Reality so allows or
dictates.
> This child was old enough not to have to be a slave anymore, if
>he so desired, even by society's rules.
That is TOTALLY irrelevent. Your pathetic society made this 20 year old into
a slave. He has a much of a right to KILL, as your society gives itself the
right to have thrown him into a childhood of slavery to 2 people, for NO other
reason than the fact that the 2 people successfully copulated or fornicated.
> He could leave and be whatever sort
>of person he wanted, instead he chose to kill his parents.
Yes, that was his choice. And it is a choice that ANY human being, if they
were using intelligence and rationality, would have no choice but to honor and
respect. The right to kill is JUST as valid to THIS 20 year old man, as the
right to love or the right to kiss or the right to forgive, or any other basic
human right, is valid to YOU and to other human beings.
> I am sure, even
>in your sick little society, that this doesn't seem to be the easiest or
>best option.
Only a brainwashed, narrow-minded, moralist, has the audacity to pass
judgement upon the True Reality life choices of a fellow human. Unfortunately,
99% of all people are just like you, and feel free to try and impose their own
perverse sense of morality or justice upon the actions of others.
I HONOR killers. I respect their courage, insight, and decision to avenge
their own abuse and torment, MALICIOUSLY inflicted upon them by their society.
Take care, JOE
ag...@ie-com.com (Agent@Large) Wrote:
ag...@ie-com.com (Agent@Large) Wrote: