Taco Bell Settles Suit With Hindu
Gimarie330
Taco Bell Settles Suit With Hindu Over Meal Order
By DAVAN MAHARAJ, LEGAL BUSINESS REPORTER
Yo quiero bean burrito. Not beef burrito.
Taco Bell has paid a confidential sum to settle a lawsuit by a devout
Hindu who sued the fast-food chain for serving him a beef burrito rather than
the bean one he ordered.
The company settled the suit filed by Mukesh K. Rai, 33, of Carpinteria as
the case approached trial in Ventura County Superior Court last month.
Rai said that biting into the beef burrito and chewing the meat violated
his religious scruples. The "trauma" caused him to seek advice from his
spiritual guru in Britain and eventually to journey to India to purify himself
by bathing in the holy waters of the Ganges River.
Rai had filed suit after Taco Bell refused to give him a refund or
apologize for the April 1997 incident. He was seeking as much as $144,000 for
his expenses and damages.
"The principles to me are far more important than the actual settlement,"
Rai said Wednesday. "But Taco Bell has trivialized the importance of this suit.
They still haven't shown any remorse whatsoever."
Taco Bell's attorney did not return a call seeking comment.
glas
this restrictive has no business eating in a fast food restraint.
glas
Gimarie330 wrote in message
<19990211183524...@ng-cf1.aol.com>...
DivineS
I disagree with your point. He has just as much right as anyone else to eat
where he chooses. I am vegetarian, so does that mean i have no right eating
there or filing a lawsuit against Taco bell for putting meat in a bean burrito
when it goes against my belief of not eating meat?
I still eat at Taco Bell and other fast food places and i expect to get what i
have ordered and paid for.
Maggie8097
***Perhaps. But Taco Bell should not have to shoulder the liability for this
guy's religious beliefs. All they owe him is a bean burrito--not $144,000.
Maggie
"Blessed are those who have nothing to say and cannot be persuaded to say
it."--James Russell Lowell
Barbrien
In article <19990213082856...@ng-fr1.aol.com>,
maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC wrote:
>
>Subject: Re: Taco Bell Settles Suit With Hindu
>From: maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC (Maggie8097)
>Date: 13 Feb 1999 13:28:56 GMT
If TAco Bell had served food which made someone physically sick they would be
liable for any expenses involved with treating the condition.
This guy claims that the food made him spiritually sick--should Taco Bell be
responsible for their error?
Barbafa
DivineS
> "Blessed are those who have nothing to say and cannot be persuaded to say
> it."--James Russell Lowell
It's called beliefs. If someone gave me a meat burrito, when i ordered a been one,
i would sue them too.
I din't become vegetarian for 14 years to have it messed up by a stupid worker who
can't tell the difference between bean and beef.
I guess if you were vegetarian or a member of a religious group that doesn't
believe in meat, you would understand.
If you are not, then you wouldn't know, would you?
DivineS
> On 13 Feb 1999 13:28:56 GMT, maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC (Maggie8097)
> said :
> snip
> >***Perhaps. But Taco Bell should not have to shoulder the liability for this
> >guy's religious beliefs. All they owe him is a bean burrito--not $144,000.
> >
> >
> >
> >Maggie
> >
> >"Blessed are those who have nothing to say and cannot be persuaded to say
> >it."--James Russell Lowell
>
> a few years ago..i ordered some ~chicken mcnuggets~
> from mc donalds. i bit into one..and
> fried inside ..... was an ant..
> it really made me sick..and i almost barfed at the table..
> my religion must be against eating antz..it looked so
> disgusting....i can still picture it...
> for all my pain and suffering...i only received
> the money back for that order...but it has really
> traumatized me for life...if the president of mcdonalds is
> reading this...he owes me big...and i shudda sued...
>
> p.s. my kids still call mcdonalds the ~ant farm~
>
> nicki
Get this, it is really disgusting. In our town, a friend went to Kentucky Fried
Chicken and ordered regular chicken. She took a bite, and realized that the
chicken was still bloody. She was about to puke, when she looked close at the
chicken and found maggets in it.
Needless to say they wanted to compensate her, but she is to this day, never able
to eat there again. Don't blame her..( : D
THEnoveau
<<I still eat at Taco Bell and other fast food places and i expect to get what
i have ordered and paid for.>>
I expect it too, but it rarely happens. Ever notice how many people pull over
after they go through the fast food drive-in windows?
Lynn
DOG3
In article <19990213114530...@ngol04.aol.com>, barb...@aol.com
(Barbrien) writes:
>
>This guy claims that the food made him spiritually sick--should Taco Bell be
>responsible for their error?
>
>Barbafa
>
>
Nope. He should have gone to a restaurant that caters to his needs. Barb,
you're a vegetarian. How many times have you gotten either the wrong order or
gotten a piece of meat in one of the deli sandwiches in NYC ?
Michael
"The only problem with the speed of light, is it gets here too early
in the morning."
- Danny Nevrath
DOG3
>
>It's called beliefs. If someone gave me a meat burrito, when i ordered a been
>one,
>i would sue them too.
>I din't become vegetarian for 14 years to have it messed up by a stupid
>worker who
>can't tell the difference between bean and beef.
>I guess if you were vegetarian or a member of a religious group that doesn't
>believe in meat, you would understand.
>If you are not, then you wouldn't know, would you?
>
If people are so restricted in diet, why in hell go to a fast food joint ?
This reminds me of the crazy woman at Subway that walked out because her bread
touched someone elses on the *assembly* line.
Chas Nemo
>guy's religious beliefs. All they owe him is a bean burrito--not $144,000.
Isn't that the same number as the number of fundamentalists to be raptured up
to Heaven before the Second Coming??? Oooooo-eeeeee-oooooooo...
Hasta la Beasta,
Charles Nemo
http://members.aol.com/ChasNemo/index.html
Chas Nemo
>responsible for their error?
Absolutely!!!
Chas Nemo
>from mc donalds. i bit into one..and
>fried inside ..... was an ant..
>it really made me sick..and i almost barfed at the table..
>my religion must be against eating antz..it looked so
>disgusting....i can still picture it...
>for all my pain and suffering...i only received
>the money back for that order...but it has really
>traumatized me for life...if the president of mcdonalds is
>reading this...he owes me big...and i shudda sued...
>
>p.s. my kids still call mcdonalds the ~ant farm~
Ants are delicious if dipped in chocolate.
Chas Nemo
>Fried
>Chicken and ordered regular chicken. She took a bite, and realized that the
>chicken was still bloody. She was about to puke, when she looked close at the
>chicken and found maggets in it.
>Needless to say they wanted to compensate her, but she is to this day, never
>able
>to eat there again. Don't blame her..( : D
Never tried maggots. I'd probably french fry 'em and THEN dip 'em in
chocolate...
Chas Nemo
They're either:
1. waiting for custom orders to be brought to them or
2. cleaning up the boiling hot coffee they spilled on themselves because the
lazy clerks didn't put the lid on tight and getting ready to go to the emegency
room and then sue McDonald's.
All of this is logical and has nothing to do with
bean/beef burritos, ants or maggots.
Chas Nemo
>one,
>i would sue them too.
>I din't become vegetarian for 14 years to have it messed up by a stupid
>worker who
>can't tell the difference between bean and beef.
>I guess if you were vegetarian or a member of a religious group that doesn't
>believe in meat, you would understand.
>If you are not, then you wouldn't know, would you?
Exactly the point!!!
DOG3
>i hate reading these stories...
>if i could get up some enthusiasm
>to cook..i would never eat out again...
>
So buy frozen and use the microwave.
Michael <- loves to cook... sometimes
DOG3
>
>
>
So are strawberries. I'm not so sure if strawberries would be tasty stuffed in
the middle of a lard fried Chicken McNugget.
Michael
DOG3
>1. waiting for custom orders to be brought to them or
>2. cleaning up the boiling hot coffee they spilled on themselves because the
>lazy clerks didn't put the lid on tight and getting ready to go to the
>emegency
>room and then sue McDonald's.
>
>All of this is logical and has nothing to do with
>bean/beef burritos, ants or maggots.
>
Speaking of custom orders. This morning I made the mistake of going to the
McDonald's near the SLU campus. All I wanted was an Egg McMuffin and coffee
and there were only 4 (undergrads) in front of me. They ordered the sausage
muffin without cheese, something about the pancakes without and on and on. It
went on forever. The man behind me started to chant "This is FAST FOOD" every
time one of the now embarrased undergrads ordered. It took 30 minutes. I
could have gone to the local greasy spoon and eaten by that time.
Michael <- never again ... McDonalds
DivineS
> In article <19990213114530...@ngol04.aol.com>, barb...@aol.com
> (Barbrien) writes:
>
> >
> >This guy claims that the food made him spiritually sick--should Taco Bell be
> >responsible for their error?
> >
> >Barbafa
> >
> >
>
> Nope. He should have gone to a restaurant that caters to his needs. Barb,
> you're a vegetarian. How many times have you gotten either the wrong order or
> gotten a piece of meat in one of the deli sandwiches in NYC ?
>
> Michael
>
> "The only problem with the speed of light, is it gets here too early
> in the morning."
>
> - Danny Nevrath
>
>
Din't know Taco Bell shouldn't of catered to his needs. I hope next time you order
something, it has something disgusting in it.
You have absolutely no right to tell a person where he or she can eat. Go to some
fast food place and be denied food because of your religion or preference to not
eat meat. See who gets angry then??
Barbrien
From: DivineS <jp...@hdc.net>
Date: Sat, Feb 13, 1999 6:24 PM
Message-id: <36C5FBBB...@hdc.net>
DOG3 wrote:
> In article <19990213114530...@ngol04.aol.com>, barb...@aol.com
> (Barbrien) writes:
>
> >
> >This guy claims that the food made him spiritually sick--should Taco Bell be
> >responsible for their error?
> >
> >Barbara
> >
> >
>
> Nope. He should have gone to a restaurant that caters to his needs. Barb,
> you're a vegetarian. How many times have you gotten either the wrong order
or
> gotten a piece of meat in one of the deli sandwiches in NYC ?
>
> Michael
I guess it depends on whether or not it cost me a lot of money to erase
whatever harm I felt the the food did me:)
I dont know what he was doing eating in a fast food restaurant in the first
place. When my orthodox relatives came to my house after my mother stopped
keeping a kosher home they brought their own paper plates, utensils and food
with them.
But I know what it's like to be on a restricted diet, be really hungry and have
only fast food restaurants in the neighborhood ( like where I live). He might
not have had a choice.
Barbara
MG
> where he chooses. I am vegetarian, so does that mean i have no right eating
> there or filing a lawsuit against Taco bell for putting meat in a bean burrito
> when it goes against my belief of not eating meat?
> have ordered and paid for.
I order Quarter Pounders WITHOUT CHEESE (and I make sure the emphasis is
there when I order, because that "cheese" at McD's is putrid) but I
always check under the bun before I eat, just to make sure. My
vegetarian friend, whose standard order at the Taco Bell drive-through
(2 bean burritos) eventually resulted in the drive-through guy saying
"Two bean or not two bean?" every time we went there, checks her
burritos before she eats, just to make sure. "Bean" and "beef" are
pretty similar words, especially transmitted through a drive-through
speaker.
Neither of us has religious or even health reasons to avoid McD "cheese"
or other-than-bean burritos, but we check to avoid an unpleasant
surprise; if I did have religious or health reasons I think I would be
careful to make sure I got what I ordered.
I can't believe TB didn't give this gentleman a refund; a little
customer service courtesy at the outset might have helped to avoid a
lawsuit.
--Monica
DOG3
In article <19990213180540...@ng-fu1.aol.com>, barb...@aol.com
(Barbrien) writes:
>
>But I know what it's like to be on a restricted diet, be really hungry and
>have
>only fast food restaurants in the neighborhood ( like where I live). He might
>not have had a choice.
>
>Barbara
>
>
There are always choices. Even the *antfarm* has salads these days. BTW, went
to a friends last week and made kreplach (sp). Took all day and it was
fabulous.
DOG3
>
>Din't know Taco Bell shouldn't of catered to his needs. I hope next time you
>order
>something, it has something disgusting in it.
>You have absolutely no right to tell a person where he or she can eat. Go to
>some
>fast food place and be denied food because of your religion or preference to
>not
>eat meat. See who gets angry then??
>
>
Obviously you've missed the point I was trying to make or my post was not
clear. People with extreme dietary restrictions should go to restaurants that
cater to their needs. If they don't, and their order is less than
satisfactory, they shouldn't bitch about it. There will come a time when their
order is not correct. I would be the first to protest ANY restaurant in the
US that denied food because of religious or a preference to not eat meat and to
suggest such a thing is ridiculous.
DOG3
In article <36c6efef....@news.pacbell.net>, =^.^=@juno.com writes:
>
>i am amazed i am still alive
>
>
Well, if you want good advice. Tip well and the odds of an *untainted* meal or
drink are in your favor. Treat the service people the way you'd like to be
treated and you should do ok.
Cliff and Linda Griffith
> >> | Rai had filed suit after Taco Bell refused to give him a refund
> >or
> >> |apologize for the April 1997 incident. He was seeking as much as $144,000
> >> for
> >> |his expenses and damages.
> ***Perhaps. But Taco Bell should not have to shoulder the liability for this
> guy's religious beliefs. All they owe him is a bean burrito--not $144,000.
Having to pay for his trips to Britain and India does seem a bit
excessive, but it sounds as if Taco Bell turned down the opportunity to
simply refund the money that he paid for the burrito. [according to the
snippet above] If the article is accurate, Taco Bell could've settled
for a lot less at the time of the incident.
Linda
Chas Nemo
glas
|glas wrote:
|
|> I think this case is a load of crap. Anyone with dietary guidelines that
are
|> this restrictive has no business eating in a fast food restraint.
|>
|> glas
|
|where he chooses. I am vegetarian, so does that mean i have no right eating
|there or filing a lawsuit against Taco bell for putting meat in a bean
burrito
|when it goes against my belief of not eating meat?
|I still eat at Taco Bell and other fast food places and i expect to get
what i
|have ordered and paid for.
Don't get your panties in a knot. I didn't say one word about his "rights".
I was talking about common sense. If he has that many dietary restrictions
with such severe consequences for eating the wrong thing, he has no business
eating in fast food restraunts. The food in those places is crap and the
help is paid barely enough money to make them show up half the time, they
don't give a rats ass about dietary concerns, they care about slapping those
burgers together as fast as possible and moving on to the next order before
some dipshit manager comes along and tells them to get cracking.
glas
glas
|
|If TAco Bell had served food which made someone physically sick they would
be
|liable for any expenses involved with treating the condition.
|
be
|responsible for their error?
A mistake was made. He compounded it. Such severe dietary restrictions
should preclude eating in fast food joints in the first place because all
fast food is just crap anyway. Second of all, with such concerns over the
contents of his food, he should have examined his order before he ate it. I
do and I don't have the same concerns just an interest in making sure I got
what I ordered.
glas
glas
|
been one,
|i would sue them too.
|I din't become vegetarian for 14 years to have it messed up by a stupid
worker who
|can't tell the difference between bean and beef.
|I guess if you were vegetarian or a member of a religious group that
doesn't
|believe in meat, you would understand.
|If you are not, then you wouldn't know, would you?
Accidents happen. It was an accident. I guess maybe you think that I should
sue the next time I order a Big Mac and end up with a Quarter Pounder?
Get a grip. No one is responsible for anyone else's dietary restrictions. He
should have checked his food before he ate it since he has these
limitations. Regardless of whether or not he should have to do so, common
sense would tell you that it would be a good idea.
glas
Barbrien
In article <19990213233503...@ngol05.aol.com>, do...@aol.comtranzlat
wrote:
>(Barbrien) writes:
>
>>
>>But I know what it's like to be on a restricted diet, be really hungry and
>>have
>>only fast food restaurants in the neighborhood ( like where I live). He might
>>not have had a choice.
>>
>>Barbara
>>
>There are always choices. Even the *antfarm* has salads these days. BTW,
went
>to a friends last week and made kreplach (sp). Took all day and it was
>fabulous.
>
>Michael
Sounds like he *made* a choice Michael, he *chose* a bean burrito:)
I make the very best kreplach in the world, barring none--kreplach and
braccioles, my two best dishes:)
Barbara
DOG3
In article <19990214102804...@ngol04.aol.com>, barb...@aol.com
(Barbrien) writes:
>
>Sounds like he *made* a choice Michael, he *chose* a bean burrito:)
>
>I make the very best kreplach in the world, barring none--kreplach and
>braccioles, my two best dishes:)
>
>Barbara
>
Sounds like he made the *wrong* choice then.
Michael <- loves kreplach
DOG3
In article <1PBx2.1842$_B2.4...@newsfeed.slurp.net>, "glas" <gl...@donet.com>
writes:
>
>Don't get your panties in a knot. I didn't say one word about his "rights".
>
>I was talking about common sense. If he has that many dietary restrictions
>with such severe consequences for eating the wrong thing, he has no business
>eating in fast food restraunts. The food in those places is crap and the
>help is paid barely enough money to make them show up half the time, they
>don't give a rats ass about dietary concerns, they care about slapping those
>burgers together as fast as possible and moving on to the next order before
>some dipshit manager comes along and tells them to get cracking.
>
>glas
>
Thank you my love <smooch>
Michael
geminiwalker
>Don't get your panties in a knot. I didn't say one word about his "rights".
>
>I was talking about common sense. If he has that many dietary restrictions
>with such severe consequences for eating the wrong thing, he has no business
>eating in fast food restraunts. The food in those places is crap and the
>help is paid barely enough money to make them show up half the time, they
>don't give a rats ass about dietary concerns, they care about slapping those
>burgers together as fast as possible and moving on to the next order before
>some dipshit manager comes along and tells them to get cracking.
>
>glas
>
Most people are also not aware ... unless they educate
themselves ... that most french fries are fried in animal
fat, as is much fast food. People not originally from this
country may not know that, but should be told ... I cannot
eat even french fries from MacDonald's without
getting sick.
...geminiwalker
chu...@earthlink.net
To learn more about me, go to:
http://home.earthlink.net/~chuard
updated 2/12/99
ICQ# 27240345
DivineS
> In article <36C5FBBB...@hdc.net>, DivineS <jp...@hdc.net> writes:
>
> >
> >Din't know Taco Bell shouldn't of catered to his needs. I hope next time you
> >order
> >something, it has something disgusting in it.
> >You have absolutely no right to tell a person where he or she can eat. Go to
> >some
> >fast food place and be denied food because of your religion or preference to
> >not
> >eat meat. See who gets angry then??
> >
> >
>
> Obviously you've missed the point I was trying to make or my post was not
> clear. People with extreme dietary restrictions should go to restaurants that
> cater to their needs. If they don't, and their order is less than
> satisfactory, they shouldn't bitch about it. There will come a time when their
> order is not correct. I would be the first to protest ANY restaurant in the
> US that denied food because of religious or a preference to not eat meat and to
> suggest such a thing is ridiculous.
>
> Michael
>
> "The only problem with the speed of light, is it gets here too early
> in the morning."
>
> - Danny Nevrath
>
>
The town where i grew up had limited choices of where a person could eat. I myself
was given soup at a friends hose one time, that was supposed to be vegetarian. I
took a sip of it, and knew there was meat in it, sure enough there was.
I vomited for days on end. I don't like the taste and i am a lover of animals.
Alot of it has to do with mentally not just physically for me. I do not know the
spiritual side of it, as the gentleman felt was obstructed.
I feel he did have a right to eat there, and his beliefs were shattered because of
a worker who doesn't know the difference between beef and bean.
I do appreciate your opinions on this, makes for a sweet world.
It was uncalled for, for me to hope there was something disgusting in your food. I
believe so strongly of my views on this...( : D
PS...I know of a man that worked at a fast food place, that ejaculated in the
hamburgers of people he detested. I do believe, that i will eat in tonight! ( : D
DivineS
Duh..A person that din't eat meat because of spiritual, vegetarian, or dietary
reasons wouldn't order a Big Mac in the first place.
No sense at all..Move on.
Maggie8097
>
>>Don't get your panties in a knot. I didn't say one word about his "rights".
>>
>>I was talking about common sense. If he has that many dietary restrictions
>>with such severe consequences for eating the wrong thing, he has no business
>>eating in fast food restraunts. The food in those places is crap and the
>>help is paid barely enough money to make them show up half the time, they
>>don't give a rats ass about dietary concerns, they care about slapping
>those
>>burgers together as fast as possible and moving on to the next order before
>>some dipshit manager comes along and tells them to get cracking.
Kate said:
> Most people are also not aware ... unless they educate
> themselves ... that most french fries are fried in animal
> fat, as is much fast food. People not originally from this
> country may not know that, but should be told ... I cannot
> eat even french fries from MacDonald's without
> getting sick.
***Good point. Those refried beans Mr. Religious Restrictions wanted were no
doubt full of lard--an animal fat.
DivineS
> On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:22:49 -0500, "glas" <gl...@donet.com> wrote:
>
> >Don't get your panties in a knot. I didn't say one word about his "rights".
> >
> >I was talking about common sense. If he has that many dietary restrictions
> >with such severe consequences for eating the wrong thing, he has no business
> >eating in fast food restraunts. The food in those places is crap and the
> >help is paid barely enough money to make them show up half the time, they
> >don't give a rats ass about dietary concerns, they care about slapping those
> >burgers together as fast as possible and moving on to the next order before
> >some dipshit manager comes along and tells them to get cracking.
> >
> >glas
> >
>
> Most people are also not aware ... unless they educate
> themselves ... that most french fries are fried in animal
> fat, as is much fast food. People not originally from this
> country may not know that, but should be told ... I cannot
> eat even french fries from MacDonald's without
> getting sick.
>
> ...geminiwalker
> chu...@earthlink.net
>
> To learn more about me, go to:
> http://home.earthlink.net/~chuard
> updated 2/12/99
> ICQ# 27240345
ok...I will try to put this in an educated and mature manner...my boyfriend has
worked for food service companies who delivered products to restaraunts such as
McDonalds...since the late 1980s these businesses have used vegetable oils in
their fryers instead of the old "crisco" type oils....most of them responded when
the FDA found that vegetable oil produced the same results without all the
saturated fats and cholesterol dangers. So to all of you vegetarians out there
such as myself, there is no reason not to eat the fries at fast food
restaraunts....if you do have any concerns...ask the manager of your favorite
store, they will be more than happy to tell you what they use.
DivineS
> >On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:22:49 -0500, "glas" <gl...@donet.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Don't get your panties in a knot. I didn't say one word about his "rights".
> >>
> >>I was talking about common sense. If he has that many dietary restrictions
> >>with such severe consequences for eating the wrong thing, he has no business
> >>eating in fast food restraunts. The food in those places is crap and the
> >>help is paid barely enough money to make them show up half the time, they
> >>don't give a rats ass about dietary concerns, they care about slapping
> >those
> >>burgers together as fast as possible and moving on to the next order before
> >>some dipshit manager comes along and tells them to get cracking.
>
> Kate said:
> > Most people are also not aware ... unless they educate
> > themselves ... that most french fries are fried in animal
> > fat, as is much fast food. People not originally from this
> > country may not know that, but should be told ... I cannot
> > eat even french fries from MacDonald's without
> > getting sick.
>
> ***Good point. Those refried beans Mr. Religious Restrictions wanted were no
> doubt full of lard--an animal fat.
>
> Maggie
>
> "Blessed are those who have nothing to say and cannot be persuaded to say
> it."--James Russell Lowell
Sorry..It isn't the 80's. I suggest people get up to speed about what is in bean
burriotos.
People whould know that, if they were vegetarian or had a dietary preference.
WWWoLadyA
> Get a grip. No one is responsible for anyone else's dietary restrictions.
>He
> should have checked his food before he ate it since he has these
> limitations. Regardless of whether or not he should have to do so, common
> sense would tell you that it would be a good idea.
I agree.
Taco Bell employs lots of young people and probably at minimum wage.
Unless consumers are willing to pay $20 for a taco, prepared by a professional
dietician to special order, I don't see how the company can meet this
expectation.
Lady A
DOG3
>
>The town where i grew up had limited choices of where a person could eat. I
>myself
>was given soup at a friends hose one time, that was supposed to be
>vegetarian. I
>took a sip of it, and knew there was meat in it, sure enough there was.
>I vomited for days on end. I
I've often wondered about people with dietary restrictions do in small towns.
Obviously there are fewer choices. I guess most people eat in.
Maggie8097
>> ***Good point. Those refried beans Mr. Religious Restrictions wanted
>were no
>> doubt full of lard--an animal fat.
jpsj said:
>Sorry..It isn't the 80's. I suggest people get up to speed about what is
>in bean
>burriotos.
>People whould know that, if they were vegetarian or had a dietary preference.
***Sounds like you are the one who needs to get up to speed. Taco Bell reports
that its bean burritos contain 10 grams of cholesterol--a substance found only
in animal fats.
Cliff and Linda Griffith
So why didn't they just refund his money in the first place? (How much
does one beef burrito cost Taco Bell, anyway?) The guy might've sued
regardless, but I don't think he'd have gotten very far if he said his
reason for suing was that they refused to give him a refund (as the
article reported).
Linda
DOG3
>reports
>that its bean burritos contain 10 grams of cholesterol--a substance found
>only
>in animal fats.
>
>Maggie
Well, I've got a can that says it's 98% fat free and here's the ingredients:
Cooked Beans, water, lard, salt, distilled vinegar, chili pepper, onion powder,
spices, garlic powder and natural flavor. And this is the 98% fat free stuff
and it STILL contains lard. Seems to me if you're vegetarian, bean burritos
are not a wise choice.
Michael
"We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial
flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons..."
- Alfred E. Newman
DOG3
>does one beef burrito cost Taco Bell, anyway?) The guy might've sued
>regardless, but I don't think he'd have gotten very far if he said his
>reason for suing was that they refused to give him a refund (as the
>article reported).
>
>Linda
Sounds like he would have sued anyway. Has anyone read Taco Bell's statements
on the refund issue ? I can't believe the manager would be that stupid. I've
even gotten refunds from KFC in the past.
Michael Newton
>
> Thursday, February 11, 1999
>
> Taco Bell Settles Suit With Hindu Over Meal Order
> By DAVAN MAHARAJ, LEGAL BUSINESS REPORTER
>
> Yo quiero bean burrito. Not beef burrito.
It would be interesting to hear the plaintiff's reaction to learning
of the lard employed in making the refried beans, etc.
mn
Barbrien
In article <36C80B...@worldnet.att.net>, Michael wrote:
>
>Subject: Re: Taco Bell Settles Suit With Hindu
>From: Michael Newton <eyeo...@worldnet.att.net>
>Date: 15 Feb 1999 16:43:17 GMT
I dont know about him but if my Jewish orthodox relatives ate something not
kosher by mistake because they didnt know the ingredients it was OK:)
Barbara
DivineS
> >***Sounds like you are the one who needs to get up to speed. Taco Bell
> >reports
> >that its bean burritos contain 10 grams of cholesterol--a substance found
> >only
> >in animal fats.
> >
> >Maggie
>
> Well, I've got a can that says it's 98% fat free and here's the ingredients:
> Cooked Beans, water, lard, salt, distilled vinegar, chili pepper, onion powder,
> spices, garlic powder and natural flavor. And this is the 98% fat free stuff
> and it STILL contains lard. Seems to me if you're vegetarian, bean burritos
> are not a wise choice.
>
> Michael
>
> "We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial
> flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons..."
>
> - Alfred E. Newman
>
>
You just have to look real closely at what you buy, especially on store shelfs. I
do get all vegetarian refried beans at store. Alot of brands will stick lard in
thiers and i suspect alot of people buy them thinking thier isn't any.
I always read what i buy, especially these days...( : D
DivineS
> Maggie said:
> >> ***Good point. Those refried beans Mr. Religious Restrictions wanted
> >were no
> >> doubt full of lard--an animal fat.
>
> jpsj said:
> >Sorry..It isn't the 80's. I suggest people get up to speed about what is
> >in bean
> >burriotos.
> >People whould know that, if they were vegetarian or had a dietary preference.
>
> ***Sounds like you are the one who needs to get up to speed. Taco Bell reports
> that its bean burritos contain 10 grams of cholesterol--a substance found only
> in animal fats.
>
> Maggie
>
> "Blessed are those who have nothing to say and cannot be persuaded to say
> it."--James Russell Lowell
You would know i am sure. I am sure you asked them to tell you what ingredients are
in bean burritos. I doubt it..
Sorry to burst your bubble, but grams of fat means nothing as to what is in a
burrito. Beans alone carry a big content of fat..you get a grip.
Why don't you quit responding with false facts..Are you vegetarian, Dietary
conscious, or not eat meat because of relegion? If not, why do you care what we put
in our mouths? Just go eat your food and we will eat ours.
Maggie8097
>> >> ***Good point. Those refried beans Mr. Religious Restrictions wanted
>> >were no
>> >> doubt full of lard--an animal fat.
>>
>> jpsj said:
>> >Sorry..It isn't the 80's. I suggest people get up to speed about what
>is
>> >in bean
>> >burriotos.
>> >People whould know that, if they were vegetarian or had a dietary
preference.
>>
>> ***Sounds like you are the one who needs to get up to speed. Taco Bell
>reports
>> that its bean burritos contain 10 grams of cholesterol--a substance found
>only
>> in animal fats.
jpsj said:
>You would know i am sure. I am sure you asked them to tell you what
ingredients
>are
>in bean burritos. I doubt it..
***Found it on their web site.
jpsj said:
>Sorry to burst your bubble, but grams of fat means nothing as to what is
>in a
>burrito. Beans alone carry a big content of fat..you get a grip.
***Sorry, honey, but your ignorance is on display. Except for soybeans, beans
have almost no fat at all. And they certainly, in their natural state, contain
no cholesterol. Cholesterol is an animal fat.
jpsj said:
>Why don't you quit responding with false facts..
***You are the one whose "facts" are wrong.
jpsj said:
Are you vegetarian, Dietary
>conscious, or not eat meat because of relegion? If not, why do you care
>what we put
>in our mouths? Just go eat your food and we will eat ours.
***Better watch what you're eating. It's not what you think.
DOG3
In article <19990215174900...@ng42.aol.com>,
maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC (Maggie8097) writes:
>
>***Better watch what you're eating. It's not what you think.
>
>
>
>Maggie
I was pretty shocked when I pulled that can out of the pantry and saw lard as
one the ingredients. I wonder how many vegetarians are eating bean burritos
unaware of the animal fat used to make the beans !?
Michael <- always has, always will, love refried beans.
Barbrien
From: do...@aol.comtranzlat (DOG3)
In article <19990215174900...@ng42.aol.com>,
maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC (Maggie8097) writes:
>
>***Better watch what you're eating. It's not what you think.
>
>
>
>Maggie
I was pretty shocked when I pulled that can out of the pantry and saw lard as
one the ingredients. I wonder how many vegetarians are eating bean burritos
unaware of the animal fat used to make the beans !?
Michael <- always has, always will, love refried beans.
~~~~~~~~I think that the burrito wrap itself is probably made with some kind
of fat or oil too.
I don't know too many true vegetarians who eat in places where they are not
sure of what they are getting. I also dont know too many these days who dont
check ingredient labels.
Barbara
DivineS
> ***Better watch what you're eating. It's not what you think.
>
> Maggie
>
> "Blessed are those who have nothing to say and cannot be persuaded to say
> it."--James Russell Lowell
I know what the fuck i put in my mouth. I have been a vegetarian for 13 years. Why
the hell are you so interested in what i eat?
Beans contain fat...Your head does also, so get over it.
You really need to get your head out of your ass..Look up the word Cholesterol, it
is also in eggs. I eat eggs..do you know enough of my diet know, to pay attention
to your own life.
Looks like your facts were pulled out of your ass also.
WWWoLadyA
Maggie8097 wrote:
>>Cholesterol is an animal fat.
>I have been a vegetarian for 13 years.
>Look up the word Cholesterol, it
>is also in eggs. I eat eggs..
Yes, but did your zucchini lay them?
Lady A
Anonymous
: I was pretty shocked when I pulled that can out of the pantry and saw lard as
: one the ingredients. I wonder how many vegetarians are eating bean burritos
: unaware of the animal fat used to make the beans !?
What veggies don't know can't hurt them. As long as they aren't aware
that there's lard in the beans, they'll be perfectly happy eating them.
Wonder how many veggies eat Jell-0? A lot of them probably do, and like
it.
geminiwalker
usually how I find out. I end up making an end-run for the bathroom,
where my digestive tract has a field day. It didn't used to happen,
just since I've gotten older and/or, the food has presumably gotten
worse. I have a sensitivity to beef and beef fat that I didn't know I
had. That's how I learned it. Your ignorance is your own. Don't put
it on me.
Of course, they didn't used to *put* in beef what they put in it now,
thanks to the "miracles of science." Carrot, anyone?
...geminiwalker
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Barbrien
From: Anonymous <nob...@replay.com>
Barbrien (barb...@aol.com) wrote:
: I was pretty shocked when I pulled that can out of the pantry and saw lard as
: one the ingredients. I wonder how many vegetarians are eating bean burritos
: unaware of the animal fat used to make the beans !?
What veggies don't know can't hurt them. As long as they aren't aware
that there's lard in the beans, they'll be perfectly happy eating them.
Wonder how many veggies eat Jell-0? A lot of them probably do, and like
it.
********
Nah! Everyone knows how gelatin is made:))
Agar agar works better anyway><G<
Barbara
Michael Newton
>
>
> What veggies don't know can't hurt them. As long as they aren't aware
> that there's lard in the beans, they'll be perfectly happy eating them.
> Wonder how many veggies eat Jell-0? A lot of them probably do, and like
> it.
I follow what you said earlier, about eating animal products in
ignorance of their presence on the menu, and yet ... if it's a strict
religious thing, isn't there some theoretical duty to investigate
ingredients when feasible, emergencies excluded, instead of just
scarfing down anything in sight and then pleading, "Jeez, God, I
didn't know it was lard?"
mn
la...@my-dejanews.com
maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC (Maggie8097) wrote:
> >> Maggie said:
> >> >> ***Good point. Those refried beans Mr. Religious Restrictions wanted
> >> >were no
> >> >> doubt full of lard--an animal fat.
> >>
> >> jpsj said:
> >> >Sorry..It isn't the 80's. I suggest people get up to speed about what
> >is
> >> >in bean
> >> >burriotos.
> preference.
> >>
> Maggie said:
> >> ***Sounds like you are the one who needs to get up to speed. Taco Bell
> >reports
> >> that its bean burritos contain 10 grams of cholesterol--a substance found
> >only
> >> in animal fats.
I suspect those 10 grams of cholesterol are from the yummy but fat-laden
CHEESE on a regular bean burrito. I, too, have asked at Taco Bell, and have
been told they don't use lard in their refried beans anymore. They DID use it
up until the late 80s.
Layna, vegetarian, bean burrito afficionado
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Barbrien
From: Michael Newton <eyeo...@worldnet.att.net>
mn
~~~~~~~It was me who spoke of eating animal products out of ignorance but it
was not me who wrote the passage above about Jello, it was Anonymous.
As far as religious dietary restrictions, most orthodox Jews I know are
extremely careful about where and what they eat but there are times even in
supposedly careful kosher restaurants where mistakes are made. Surely you dont
think your soul is in mortal danger if you eat there and someone else makes a
mistake:)
Barbara
Michael Newton
>
> Surely you dont
> think your soul is in mortal danger if you eat there and someone else makes a
> mistake:)
>
> Barbara
Well, personally, I give no thought to the alleged immortal soul one
way or the other. If I _did_, though, and dietary laws were central to
my religious faith, I'd definitely check out the menu and/or ask some
basic questions before chowing down.
mn
Barbrien
From: Michael Newton <eyeo...@worldnet.att.net>
mn
As I said, Othodox Jews are usually quite careful but that doesnt mean that
all kosher restaurants or shops are perfect-- everyone makes mistakes.
I've known alleged Kosher cakes to be delivered to weddings for which the
order was mistakenly filled but the guests at the wedding were ingnorant of the
error. There was no way to be much more careful when you are not eating at home
than using certified Kosher establishments
Barbara
Maggie8097
> I know what the fuck i put in my mouth. I have been a vegetarian for 13
>years. Why
>the hell are you so interested in what i eat?
>Beans contain fat...Your head does also, so get over it.
Cholesterol,
>it
>is also in eggs. I eat eggs..do you know enough of my diet know, to pay
>attention
>to your own life.
>Looks like your facts were pulled out of your ass also.
***Soooooooooo.......
Do you attribute your imperturbable nature and serene disposition to that
vegetarian diet?
Better keep checking those labels. You're in for some surprises.
Michael Newton
That sounds reasonable ... but it's a far cry from a Hindu wandering
into Taco Bell.
mn
el...@citynet.net
>
> DivineS posted in a.t-c ...
> |
> |It's called beliefs. If someone gave me a meat burrito, when i ordered a
> been one,
> |i would sue them too.
> |I din't become vegetarian for 14 years to have it messed up by a stupid
> worker who
> |can't tell the difference between bean and beef.
> |I guess if you were vegetarian or a member of a religious group that
> doesn't
> |believe in meat, you would understand.
> |If you are not, then you wouldn't know, would you?
>
> Accidents happen. It was an accident. I guess maybe you think that I should
> sue the next time I order a Big Mac and end up with a Quarter Pounder?
>
> Get a grip. No one is responsible for anyone else's dietary restrictions. He
> should have checked his food before he ate it since he has these
> limitations. Regardless of whether or not he should have to do so, common
> sense would tell you that it would be a good idea.
>
I agree. My mom is allergic to onions. She always says "no onions" but
when she gets her food she checks it for onions BEFORE eating it. It's
her responsibility to make sure they didn't add onions.
Barbrien
Message-id: <36C9B6...@worldnet.att.net>
mn
The point I was making which was quite a bit of a tangent from where this
thread started was that at least in the Jewish religion if the restricted food
is taken in error, one is not guilty of *sinning*.
I dont know enough of Eastern religions to know if that is true there as well,
or if contact with , say meat, alone is enough to taint the soul, no matter
what the intent.
Point is, shit happens, in a fancy restaurant, or at a fast food place. If
contact alone is what matters and not intent, one might be better off not
eating out at all:)
Barbara
glas
Isn't that exactly what I said in the first place?
glas
Raven
> The point I was making which was quite a bit of a tangent from where this
> thread started was that at least in the Jewish religion if the restricted
> food is taken in error, one is not guilty of *sinning*.
> I dont know enough of Eastern religions to know if that is true there as
> well, or if contact with, say meat, alone is enough to taint the soul, no
> matter what the intent.
The Indian Mutiny of 1857, when Hindu and Muslim soldiers in the British
Army rebelled -- leading to acts of extreme brutality on both sides --
"... arose when Indian soldiers assumed the British were plotting to
destroy the Muslim and Hindu religions. Inadvertently, the English issued
animal fat grease to be used to smear on the paper cartridges, which had
to be bitten by the soldier. Hindus consider the cow as a sacred animal
and the Muslims consider the pig unclean. Vegetable fat was quickly issued
instead, but the Indian soldiers had begun to no longer trust their
British officers."
http://www.snu.edu/syllabi/history/s97projects/india/mutiny.htm
So the issue has come up before, and the answer is, yes, eating that fat,
even unaware, would make the person spiritually *unclean* (it's not a matter
of "sin" and "guilt" as such) -- and in fact the suspicion was precisely
that the British *intended* to trick them into eating it unawares.
It's been an issue of deep distrust, not to say paranoia, toward Europeans
(and especially the English), on the part of both Hindus and Muslims, ever
since -- and Taco Bell has probably managed to fan the flames. I wonder
when we'll see a diplomatic protest from the Indian government; and I hope
there are no Taco Bell branches in India right now. Westerners may indeed
consider this issue "a load of crap", as one poster earlier in this thread
declared (and as the British probably thought in 1857 *before* the Mutiny),
but there are a few million Hindus who strongly hold a different opinion.
-- Raven | "Three strange things in the world: loving
| war more than peace, loving excess more than
raven @ solaria.sol.net | sufficiency, and loving falsehood more than
| truth." -- Bardic Triad
Raven
> Westerners may indeed consider this issue "a load of crap", as one poster
> earlier in this thread declared
I should have specified: that poster was glas (gl...@donet.com), and the
DejaNews URL for that post is http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=443894009
> (and as the British probably thought in 1857 *before* the Mutiny),
> but there are a few million Hindus who strongly hold a different opinion.
Just in case anyone takes that "few" as literal rather than sarcastic,
there are about seven HUNDRED million Hindus in the world, or roughly
three times the population of the United States. Wanna put it to a vote?
A few other points that seem to need clarification. Hindus themselves *are*
very often reluctant to eat food prepared by non-Hindus, precisely because
of fear over lack of ritual cleanliness. To leave India is in itself an
unclean thing -- Hindus of high caste are especially reluctant to leave
if they hope ever to return, because of the risk to status and the process
of "cleansing" once they do return -- but it's a matter of degree, and
eating cow's flesh is much worse. The Indian currency note, the Rupee,
has the face of a cow, not printed in ink, but watermarked, as the central
portrait on the bill, where Washington's face is on the American dollar.
Cows are literally sacred, holy, in India, treated as divine mothers --
so eating cow's flesh is like being a cannibal, not merely eating human
flesh but eating the flesh of your own mother. You know how Westerners
regard someone known to have cannibalized other human beings; imagine how
they'd regard someone who ate his own mother. *THAT* is what Mukesh Rai
has been put through. In Western eyes, yes, he should be careful where
he eats. In Hindu eyes, how dare ANY restaurant serve someone his own
mother's flesh, let alone then blame HIM for it? The idea is horrendous.
There's the difference in cultural viewpoint. You have yours. He has his.
If some South Pacific Islander moved next door to you and held a pig roast,
and you (assuming you eat pork) accepted the invitation, how would you feel
afterward to learn that it was "long pig" and that you'd eaten human flesh?
And that the main course had been your mother?
Can you for a moment imagine the world dominated by a technologically
advanced, but cannibalistic, culture, and how you would feel as a NON-
cannibal who emigrated to that culture's homeland, where any restaurant
might serve you human flesh unless you were careful? Can you for a
moment realize that this is not far from the Hindu view of America?
Maggie8097
****Hmmmm. You'd think that anyone who held these religious beliefs would be a
little more careful about what he put into his mouth, wouldn't you?