JOHN ANDREW RAMSEY: SUSPECT?
Colton
Well, the focus has shifted to John Andrew (step-brother) and
BPD still questions his alibi. Few things to sort out ...
1. Neighbor says he saw John Andrew at the house on
Christmas day.
2. His name is not listed on the airfare ticket to Atlanta.
Also, his "disappearing act" from college during the heat of
the investigation is probably reason for them to take a closer
look into his actions.
Your thoughts?
Sincerely,
Colton
gaetz
wic...@ionet.net (Colton) wrote:
Yes, the not going back to classes at U of C had me wondering.
I heard on one of the TV shows that even Burke had gone back
to school in Boulder. And what about that court thing on alcohol
where John Andrew was supposed to appear. I haven't heard
anything more about that. Maybe they reset a hearing or somesuch,
if there ever was to be one. Maybe a fine was just paid. I don't know.
BDoeTabor
Right. It his his father's name on the ticket. The "explanation" given
for this was that it was put on John Ramsey's credit card and THAT'S why
it doesn't have John Andrews name on it. It seems to me that whenever
I've flown together with someone else, etc., they always asked me for MY
name for MY ticket, no matter who was actually paying for it, and those
times when I have been the one to pay for the tickets on my credit card or
cash, the agent still insisted on putting the actual passenfer's name on
his or her ticket, not MY name.
Any "airline folks" out there who can put some light on this?
B Doe Ta...@aol.com
BDoeTabor
This has been a major "harping point" for me for weeks!
B Doe Ta...@aol.com
Linda and Cliff Griffith
In <5f51mi$b...@tofu.alt.net> wic...@ionet.net (Colton) writes:
>
>Well, the focus has shifted to John Andrew (step-brother) and
>BPD still questions his alibi. Few things to sort out ...
>
>1. Neighbor says he saw John Andrew at the house on
> Christmas day.
>
>2. His name is not listed on the airfare ticket to Atlanta.
>
>Also, his "disappearing act" from college during the heat of
>the investigation is probably reason for them to take a closer
>look into his actions.
>
>Your thoughts?
I still wanna hear about Big-Half-Sister. If she and Drew flew to
Minnesota together, what happened to her when Drew flew to Boulder?
Where's *her* airline ticket with Daddy's name on it? Didn't Mom say
"both kids" were planning to meet the family in Michigan?
Missy Pound
*>wic...@ionet.net (Colton) wrote:
*>
*>>Well, the focus has shifted to John Andrew (step-brother) and
*>>BPD still questions his alibi. Few things to sort out ...
*>>2. His name is not listed on the airfare ticket to Atlanta.
This is really not all that unusual. I have used a plane ticket that is not in
my name several times. Sometimes my father's name would be on it instead of
mine. I used to visit a family I used to babysit for that had moved from my
neighborhood. My tickets were always in the father's name. That is just how the
travel agency did it. These tickets were all bought in Atlanta. Maybe we all
have the same travel agency?
.......Missy
betsy...@aol.com
In article <5f690o$3...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>, grif...@ix.netcom.com(Linda and Cliff Griffith) writes:
>
>In <5f51mi$b...@tofu.alt.net> wic...@ionet.net (Colton) writes:
>>
>>Well, the focus has shifted to John Andrew (step-brother) and
>>BPD still questions his alibi. Few things to sort out ...
>>
>>1. Neighbor says he saw John Andrew at the house on
>> Christmas day.
>>
>>2. His name is not listed on the airfare ticket to Atlanta.
>>
>>Also, his "disappearing act" from college during the heat of
>>the investigation is probably reason for them to take a closer
>>look into his actions.
>>
>>Your thoughts?
>
>I still wanna hear about Big-Half-Sister. If she and Drew flew to
>Minnesota together, what happened to her when Drew flew to Boulder?
>Where's *her* airline ticket with Daddy's name on it? Didn't Mom say
>"both kids" were planning to meet the family in Michigan?
Do we know whose name was actually on the ticket? If John Bennet Ramsey, it might have been a case of John ANdrew using his frequent flier mileage. Airline personnel are requiring a picture ID to board these days (although I know of someone who got around that so who knows how strictly it is enforced), but would they have noticed the distinction between John Bennet and John Andrew? Was there a John * Ramsey on the passenger manifest?
Betsy Payne
I've always felt that a person's intelligence is directly reflected by the number of conflicting points of view he can entertain simultaneously on the same topic.
-Lisa Alther
Anna Bilbrough Skamarakas
gaetz wrote:
>
> wic...@ionet.net (Colton) wrote:
>
> >Well, the focus has shifted to John Andrew (step-brother) and
> >BPD still questions his alibi. Few things to sort out ...
> >
> >1. Neighbor says he saw John Andrew at the house on
> > Christmas day.
> >
> >2. His name is not listed on the airfare ticket to Atlanta.
> >
> >Also, his "disappearing act" from college during the heat of
> >the investigation is probably reason for them to take a closer
> >look into his actions.
> >
> >Your thoughts?
> >
> >Colton
Our local news this morning (Orlando, FL) reported that John Andrew's
alibi is still in question. They also mentioned the Mom has not as of
yet responded with a handwriting sample. Didn't Dad do that weeks ago?
Jo
Good thought, however, in light of all the recent security at US
airports, passengers are now required to give photo identification upon
check-in. Any inconsistencies in one's idenetity can cause them to be
denied boarding.
Jo
erinj
BDoeTabor <bdoe...@aol.com> wrote
> it doesn't have John Andrews name on it. It seems to me that whenever
> I've flown together with someone else, etc., they always asked me for MY
> name for MY ticket, no matter who was actually paying for it, and those
> times when I have been the one to pay for the tickets on my credit card
or
> cash, the agent still insisted on putting the actual passenfer's name on
> his or her ticket, not MY name.
That has always been my experience as well... In fact, I never pushed it,
but it always seemed pretty important that the actual *person's* name that
was going to be flying was the one on the ticket.( Even small children.)
erin
Daisy
I still think it's the Dad. Remember, John Andrew has an alibi witness.
A non family member gave the police a statement saying she ate dinner
with John Andrew and this mother and sister on Christmas evening.
I think the police are playing a game of physcological warfare with John
Sr. It's like their giving him the message: "You've lost two children
already. One died by your own hand. Are you going to let your third
child go to prison and possibly even death row for something YOU did?
Confess, John Sr, Confess!"
I know police use pshycological tactics like this. They get a
proffesional mental health expert to write key phrases that will provoke
the killer into confessing or goofing up. This tactic was very obvious
in the press conference where they talked about feeling sorry for the
perp earlier in the case but not now.
I just look at those weekly press conferences as a propaganda machine to
talk to the killer.
Another thing to note, how did anyone find out about the name on the
airline ticket anyway? Airlines are tight lipped, so it didn't come
them. Had to come from the police. And police have been very silent on
everything. They let this little tidbit slip out so they could play a
game with John Sr. Their putting the pressure on him by putting more
pressure on John Andrew. And by the way, John Andrew and his sister are
well aware of who murdered Jon Bennet. Maybe I would go into hiding if
I were in this situation too.
JMO,
Daisy
Missy Pound wrote:
DeeTigress
At an airport counter, if junior presented dad's credit card he probably
would have signed dad's name, because if the names were different the
clerk might have questioned the transaction. This might be nothing.
But...
If junior is suspect or even guilty, it makes Dad's "SO?!" to the media
hounds, who yelled that the DA would go for the death penalty, an angry
parent's defensive retort to what he perceives as a pack of snarling dogs
on the heel of his child, rather than a sociopath's sneering dismissal of
his pursuers.
I find it curious that Ramsey's PR guy released a statement acknowledging
that the Ramseys "know" dad is the #1 suspect, just when the investigation
has veered back in junior's direction. Deflection? And where the hell is
junior, anyway? Let me predict that the next time we see him, he will be
taking the John Hinckley tour of some private European psychiatric
facility.
Curioser and curioser...
GEHors
As I mentioned on another post regarding the "ticket" issue, even if JBR
paid for the tickets for the two older kids, their own names would appear
on the tickets. Was the sister's ticket in her own name, because I would
assume that the father paid for both tickets. Also, there is never any
mention of the older sister. Is she on the suspect list? Come to think
of it, on the television coverage of the funeral, did anyone even note the
two half-siblings? One doesn't know whom to suspect in this case as it's
too horrible to imagine a family member doing something like this, but it
certainly appears to be someone close to the family at the very least, and
others covering up. It's so sad!
JBrown6000
I think any questions about the "kids" is just too big a question for
those who've already made up their minds.
BDoeTabor
Good point! Did you happen to see the "Geraldo Live" program on CNBC
where Marilyn VanDerbur Atler was interviewed? Incredible! Powerful!
Moving! She said something to the effect that the "duct tape" on a
child's mouth like that is saying "now you can't talk! You can't tell!"
and the one thing the molester fears the most is being "found out",
because once he's "found out" it's "all over!" His life, his business,
everything! From the age of 6 her father, prominent Denver businessman
Francis VanDerbur, molested her for years, and atv least ONE of her other
three sisters, (Valerie, Gwen, and Nancy) was also molested by him. She
didn't say if one or both of the other two sisters had been molested by
him, but she did say that when ONE child in a family is molested like
this, it's pretty darned certain that all the OTHERS were, too. She said
that at age 40, she confronted her father with what he did to her and he
ran upstairs and got a gun, saying that if she went public with this
information, he would kill himself! As it happens, when she did go public
with it in 1991, her father died on the very same day, but she didn't say
how, and I have forgotten just how he died. She said that he died at age
77 and molested to the day he died, but she didn't say "who" he had
molested, and all four of his lovely daughters were grown long before
this, as Marilyn was the youngest. She also said that until the day she
died, (June 2,1996) her mother always maintained that Marilyn had lied
about her father molesting her, etc., saying also that this is very common
for the mothers to do this, and that in her case, she felt that what her
mother did was even worse than the molestation by her father.
Anna Moore
(B Doe Ta...@aol.com)
cyli
I won't say that your theory was my first thought when I got the rumor
that the half-brother was being checked out again, but it arose soon
after (a few hours). They're checking all the kids, even the dead one.
It's a sort of threat. "If we can't get you, we'll get your genes or at
make their lives miserable." Might work, might not, assuming he's
guilty. But if the mother did it, they might be driving a wedge. "Are
you going to let the lives of all your children be ruined while you
protect this terrible murderess who's already killed one of them?"
Very hard to read which they might be doing. If, indeed, they aren't
being serious about the possibilty of the half-brother. I, personally,
am now taking a longer look at the mother because of this. I've taken a
look or two at the possibility before, but, in spite of the ugly
movie-like thing I dreamed up, I was going with the usual odds of child
abuse and my own biases in combination, so wound up looking hardest at
the nearest man.
-
"If I die of curiousity, who will entertain you with naive questions?"
I only answer my mail on an average of once every two months. Be
patient.
Betsy
In article <19970301001...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
deeti...@aol.com (DeeTigress) wrote:
> I find it curious that Ramsey's PR guy released a statement acknowledging
> that the Ramseys "know" dad is the #1 suspect, just when the investigation
> has veered back in junior's direction. Deflection? And where the hell is
> junior, anyway? Let me predict that the next time we see him, he will be
> taking the John Hinckley tour of some private European psychiatric
> facility.
>
> Curioser and curioser...
That was always my response to those who think Burke did it. It would
have been handled very quietly by very discreet, very expensive attys. Of
course a 20 yr old could be a different story.
I still think it's Dad. I can't imagine why Patsy would defend the murder
of her child by someone who wasn't her child. It's a stretch for me to
understand why she would even defend her husband. I suspect she got
wrapped up in the coverup shortly after it happened and that's being held
over her head. If my premise is true, she should call up the DA and talk
plea bargain pronto.
Betsy
Betsy
>
> Good thought, however, in light of all the recent security at US
> airports, passengers are now required to give photo identification upon
> check-in. Any inconsistencies in one's idenetity can cause them to be
> denied boarding.
>
> Jo
But when both names are "John Ramsey," what's the point?
Betsy
Andrea Cummins
A coverup, required someone to call at the stated time (no one called)..
I wonder if john andrew took his father's ticket and got out.. I
seriously doubt patsy or john sr would attempt any cover for an adult
offspring (the more so if it involved sexual abuse and murder of their
own 6 year old daughter)...
Mary Turnpaugh-Mike Chambers
Betsy,
I flip back and forth with my assessment of John Sr vs John Jr.
I do feel that Junior will be found in a psych hospital in the near
future if indeed it is him.
I also feel the police are playing Mind Ga,es so it's hard to know what
is really happenning and who the finger is really poiting at.
Unfortunately for all, Patsy is being such a unreal mother. If she had
integrity she could come forth for the decency of her lost child and
speak up. SHe knows the story. She could and should set things rights
regardless who is at fault. How can she live with herself?
Mary T
Brady
Does anyone know if John Bennet Ramsey, John Andrew Ramsey, or Patsy
Ramsey is left-handed?
Richard Peladeau
A very interesting article in this weeks NAT ENQ by the late David Duffy.
Seems on the plane trip last week from Atlanta to Denver( they had been
to Atl because Johns' first wife was being questioned by police) John sat
alone in row 23 and Patsy with Burke in Row 30 along with Patsys parents
and John Andrew on the other side of Row 30. Patsy did not speak or
acknowledge John during the entire trip. They even exited the plane by
different means. Maybe her 2nd attorney is a divorce lawyer. Anyhow
time will show DAD DID DIRTY DEED --DAUGHTER DEAD.
