Last Known Flights Of 9/11 Planes Took Place Nine Months Before 9/11
JMD Morgan
According to a Freedom of Information Act reply from the U.S. Bureau of
Transportation Statistics, the last known pre-9/11 flights for three of
the four aircraft involved in the terrorist attacks of September 11,
2001 took place in December, 2000, nine months before the attacks. No
pre-9/11 flight information is available for these planes during 2001.
No pre-9/11 final flight information was provided for American Airlines
flight 77 (N644AA).
U.S. Code of Federal Regulations requires carriers to provide on-time
data for their commercial aircraft on a monthly basis.
Title 14 � 234.4 Reporting of on-time performance.
(a) Each reporting carrier shall file BTS Form 234 �On-Time Flight
Performance Report� with the Office of Airline Information on a monthly
basis ... and shall contain the following information:
(1) Carrier and flight number.
(2) Aircraft tail number.
(3) Origin and Destination airport codes.
age...@justicespammail.com
wrote:
>http://www.911blogger.com/node/20456
>
>According to a Freedom of Information Act reply from the U.S. Bureau of
>Transportation Statistics, the last known pre-9/11 flights for three of
>the four aircraft involved in the terrorist attacks of September 11,
>2001 took place in December, 2000, nine months before the attacks. No
>pre-9/11 flight information is available for these planes during 2001.
>
>No pre-9/11 final flight information was provided for American Airlines
>flight 77 (N644AA).
Which is a lie:
N612UA aka Flight 175 at JFK in April 2001:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/168079/L/
Same plane at LAX, August 2001:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Unite...-222/0188174/L
N334AA aka Flight 11 at O'Hare in July 2001:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ameri...c888d91580af0c
In Stockholm, August 2001:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ameri...c888d91580af0c
N644AA aka Flight 77 at Miami in Feb 2001:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ameri...59d15d0403332a
At Boston in August 2001:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ameri...59d15d0403332a
N591UA aka Flight 93 at Newark on September 8th, 2001:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Unite...73503bd76519a9
For example: Go to the BTS inquiry page.
http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummary...yDepatures.xml
Check "All statistics".
Flight 175 regularly flew out of San Francisco, so choose that as the
Origin Airport.
Choose United Airlines as the airline.
Check September for the month.
Check All Days to see information for all of September.
Check 2001 for the year.
Click Submit. And wait (that's a big query).
When it comes back, use your browser to search for Flight 175's tail
number, N612UA. And look! It flew out of SF on the 1st, the 5th, the
7th, and the 10th, and (surprise surprise) there are no further
flights.
So, the BTS database tells us that there were recorded flights for
Flight 175 after 2000. There's no evidence this plane was "grounded"
at all. I've not checked the other flights, but does anyone want to
bet there aren't records of September 2001 flights for those, too?
JMD Morgan
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:16:32 -0500, JMD Morgan <John...@email.non>
> wrote:
>
>> http://www.911blogger.com/node/20456
>>
>> According to a Freedom of Information Act reply from the U.S. Bureau of
>> Transportation Statistics, the last known pre-9/11 flights for three of
>> the four aircraft involved in the terrorist attacks of September 11,
>> 2001 took place in December, 2000, nine months before the attacks. No
>> pre-9/11 flight information is available for these planes during 2001.
>>
>> No pre-9/11 final flight information was provided for American Airlines
>> flight 77 (N644AA).
>
> Which is a lie:
What you provided is links that don't work and those that do show of a
picture of the plane taken on a certain date prior to 9/11, no flight
data provided.
age...@justicespammail.com
wrote:
>age...@justicespammail.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:16:32 -0500, JMD Morgan <John...@email.non>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.911blogger.com/node/20456
>>>
>>> According to a Freedom of Information Act reply from the U.S. Bureau of
>>> Transportation Statistics, the last known pre-9/11 flights for three of
>>> the four aircraft involved in the terrorist attacks of September 11,
>>> 2001 took place in December, 2000, nine months before the attacks. No
>>> pre-9/11 flight information is available for these planes during 2001.
>>>
>>> No pre-9/11 final flight information was provided for American Airlines
>>> flight 77 (N644AA).
>>
>> Which is a lie:
>
>What you provided is links that don't work and those that do show of a
>picture of the plane taken on a certain date prior to 9/11, no flight
>data provided.
So now all the photographers are in on the conspiracy, right?
>> N612UA aka Flight 175 at JFK in April 2001:
>> http://www.airliners.net/photo/168079/L/
Link works.
>> Same plane at LAX, August 2001:
>> http://www.airliners.net/photo/Unite...-222/0188174/L
Link works. Complete link:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/United-Airlines/Boeing-767-222/0188174/
Departure data from LAX in BTS:
UA 08/03/2001 0012 N612UA JFK 09:05
UA 08/04/2001 0018 N612UA JFK 22:00
UA 08/05/2001 0890 N612UA JFK 12:45
UA 08/08/2001 0904 N612UA JFK 11:15
I'm sure there's more, but you should get the picture. YOU LIE.
>> N334AA aka Flight 11 at O'Hare in July 2001:
>> http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ameri...c888d91580af0c
Departing O'Hare July, 2001.
Departure data from LAX in BTS for N334AA:
AA 08/06/2001 1296 N334AA ORD 08:00
AA 08/09/2001 0034 N334AA JFK 08:00
AA 08/16/2001 0222 N334AA BOS 07:40
AA 08/17/2001 1296 N334AA ORD 08:00
Again, there's more, but you should get the picture. YOU LIE.
>> N644AA aka Flight 77 at Miami in Feb 2001:
Link works.
>> At Boston in August 2001:
Link works.
>> N591UA aka Flight 93 at Newark on September 8th, 2001:
Link works.
Corresponding BTS entry:
UA 09/08/2001 0079 N591UA SFO 17:30
YOU LIE.
>> For example: Go to the BTS inquiry page.
I see you have no response for this data. Except it proves that YOU
LIED.
JMD Morgan
No flight data is provided from your airliners.net which is a commercial
site.
According to the FAA UA N612UA serial number is 21873 Manufacturer Name
BOEING and its certificate was canceled on 09/28/2005
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=612UA
None of you links show any flight data, you are trying to deceiving me.
JMD Morgan
04/28/09 (PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Recently it has been brought to our
attention that Air Traffic Control (ATC) transcripts reveal United 93 as
being airborne after it's alleged crash. Similar scenarios have been
offered with regard to American 77 and American 11 showing an aircraft
target continuing past its alleged crash point in the case of American
11, or past the turn-around point in the case of American 77. However,
both these issues can be easily explained by "Coast Mode" radar
tracking. This is not the case with United 93.
Radar Coast Mode activates when a transponder is inoperative (or turned
off) and primary radar tracking is lost, which enables ATC to have some
sort of reference of the flight after losing radar coverage of the
physical aircraft. When an aircraft target enters "Coast Mode", ATC is
alerted in the form of a blue tag on the target as well as the tag
letters switching to CST. ATC will readily recognize when an aircraft
enters "Coast Mode".
According to National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) Flight Path
Study, United 93 allegedly impacted the ground at 10:03am, September 11,
2001. The following transcript excerpts are provided by the Federal
Aviation Administration. It is a conversation between Air Traffic
Control System Command Center - East, Management Officers (ntmo-e) and
other various facilities. The conversation is as follows in real time:
(relevant portions have been placed in bold)
Continue
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/united-93-still-airborne.html
JMD Morgan
1405 (10:05 a.m.)
ntmo-e: ok united ninety three we're now receiving a transponder on
and he is at eighty two hundred feet
doug: now transponder and he's eighty two-hundred
ntmo-e: southeastbound still
doug: eighty two hundred feet and now getting a transponder on him
ntmo-e: correct
doug: ok buddy
10:06
ntmo-e: ok we've lost radar contact with united ninety three
doug: all right
10:07
ntmo-e: sixteen south of Johnstown where they lost united ninety
three and it was heading turning one four zero heading
doug: which will put him to what do you think
ntmo-e: uh I guess that put him down coming right just west of Dulles
doug: ok
ntmo-e: if he stays on that heading of course
doug: how we doing John with getting stuff on the ground
ntmo-e: uh we're they 're not they 're still going to their
original destinations if you look at TSD you'll see that the eastern
part of the unites states is thinning out
doug: ok
ntmo-e: uh you know airports like dulles uh new york there we have
no aircraft going into there
doug: ok
10:08
ntmo-e: ok uh there is now on the on united ninety three
doug: yes
ntmo-e: there is now a report of black smoke in the last position I
gave you fifteen miles of Johnstown
doug: from the airplane or from the ground
ntmo-e: uh they're speculating it's from the aircraft
doug: ok bud
ntmo-e: uh who hit the ground that's what they're speculation it's
speculation only
doug: ok
10:10
doug: hey john
ntmo-e: yes
doug: do we have anything on delta nineteen eighty nine is she
still heading to cleveland?
ntmo-e: delta nineteen eighty nine was returning to Cleveland and
they were no longer treating it like a hijacked aircraft
doug: ok
ntmo-e: I don't know if he's landed ok; the last position of united
I'm going to give some coordinates united ninety three
doug: yes
ntmo-e: three nine five one north zero seven eight four six west
doug: zero seven eight four six
ntmo-e: west
doug: west
doug: all right
ntmo-e: you got the thirty nine fifty one north
doug: ya thirty nine fifty one north zero seven eighty four six west
ntmo-e: that's the last known position of united ninety three
Full Transcript Here
United 93 transponder is recognized by Air Traffic Control as airborne
after alleged impact time. Some have made the excuse this is due to
Coast Mode tracking. ATC did not recognize any signs of CST (Coast
Mode). Further confirmation that this was not any type of "Coast Mode"
is that ATC also recognized United 93 reporting an altitude. The only
way ATC could observe a reported altitude is if United 93 were squawking
Mode C on the transponder, which means altitude reporting capability.
Further confirmation comes in the form of latitude and longitude
positions reported by ATC. N39 51 - W78 46 were reported as the last
known radar position of United 93. It is unclear if the position is
reported as Degrees, Minutes or Decimal, however, standard aviation
terminology is in Degrees, Minutes. With that said, both positions are
well past the alleged United 93 Crash site.
(click image to enlarge)
It is impossible for ATC to have observed United 93 transponder and
altitude after the reported impact time and southeast of the crash site,
if United 93 did in fact crash in Shanksville as the 9/11 Commission
would have you believe.
Pilots For 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals from
around the globe. The organization has analyzed Flight Data provided by
the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). The data does not
support observed events. See Pandora's Black Box - Chapter Three -
Flight Of United 93 for full in depth analysis of United 93 Flight Data
Recorder (Black Box) data provided by the National Transportation Safety
Board. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core member
list continues to grow.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html for full member list.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/join to join.
Comments? Discuss this article here
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=17064
Other Articles Of Interest:
Conflicting Data, Hardcore Questions and the Media Blackout
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/media_blackout022908.html
United 93 Press Release
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/UA93_Press_Release.html
Special thanks to "woody" for alerting us to this issue.
###
age...@justicespammail.com
wrote:
What part of "DEPARTURE DATA FROM LAX IN BTS" is it that you don't
understand? "BTS" is www.bts.gov, sport.
>According to the FAA UA N612UA serial number is 21873 Manufacturer Name
> BOEING and its certificate was canceled on 09/28/2005
So what?
>http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=612UA
>
>None of you links show any flight data, you are trying to deceiving me.
Take your hands away from covering your face, sport. Once again,
"BTS" is www. bts.gov.
>> I'm sure there's more, but you should get the picture. YOU LIE.
>>
>>>> N334AA aka Flight 11 at O'Hare in July 2001:
>>>> http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ameri...c888d91580af0c
>>
>> http://www.airliners.net/photo/American-Airlines/Boeing-767-223-ER/1502300/L/&sid=50f6c4c6563e44a46a930bc65c23be82
>>
>> Departing O'Hare July, 2001.
>>
>> Departure data from LAX in BTS for N334AA:
>>
>> AA 08/06/2001 1296 N334AA ORD 08:00
>> AA 08/09/2001 0034 N334AA JFK 08:00
>> AA 08/16/2001 0222 N334AA BOS 07:40
>> AA 08/17/2001 1296 N334AA ORD 08:00
>>
>> Again, there's more, but you should get the picture. YOU LIE.
What part of "DEPARTURE DATA FROM LAX IN BTS" is it that you don't
understand? "BTS" is www.bts.gov, sport.
>>>> N644AA aka Flight 77 at Miami in Feb 2001:
>>
>> http://www.airliners.net/photo/American-Airlines/Boeing-757-223/0982095/&sid=6c1be60fe59e1c9d8c934b1f2a15f264
>>
>> Link works.
>>
>>>> At Boston in August 2001:
>>
>> http://www.airliners.net/photo/American-Airlines/Boeing-757-223/0188155/&sid=6c1be60fe59e1c9d8c934b1f2a15f264
>>
>> Link works.
>>
>>
>>>> N591UA aka Flight 93 at Newark on September 8th, 2001:
>>
>> http://www.airliners.net/photo/United-Airlines/Boeing-757-222/0188153/&sid=bc035fa48160b3eba77fc4df6b731d03
>>
>> Link works.
>>
>> Corresponding BTS entry:
>>
>> UA 09/08/2001 0079 N591UA SFO 17:30
What part of "CORRESPONDING BTS ENTRY" is it that you don't
understand? "BTS" is www.bts.gov, sport.
>> YOU LIE.
>>
>>>> For example: Go to the BTS inquiry page.
>>
>> I see you have no response for this data. Except it proves that YOU
>> LIED.
>>
>>>> http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummary...yDepatures.xml
>>>>
>>>> Check "All statistics".
>>>>
>>>> Flight 175 regularly flew out of San Francisco, so choose that as the
>>>> Origin Airport.
>>>>
>>>> Choose United Airlines as the airline.
>>>>
>>>> Check September for the month.
>>>>
>>>> Check All Days to see information for all of September.
>>>>
>>>> Check 2001 for the year.
>>>>
>>>> Click Submit. And wait (that's a big query).
>>>>
>>>> When it comes back, use your browser to search for Flight 175's tail
>>>> number, N612UA. And look! It flew out of SF on the 1st, the 5th, the
>>>> 7th, and the 10th, and (surprise surprise) there are no further
>>>> flights.
>>>>
>>>> So, the BTS database tells us that there were recorded flights for
>>>> Flight 175 after 2000. There's no evidence this plane was "grounded"
>>>> at all. I've not checked the other flights, but does anyone want to
>>>> bet there aren't records of September 2001 flights for those, too?
You're a pretty sad case, aren't you, sport? A stupid, sad case.
age...@justicespammail.com
wrote:
>
>04/28/09 (PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Recently it has been brought to our
>attention that Air Traffic Control (ATC) transcripts reveal United 93 as
>being airborne after it's alleged crash.
No, the transcripts show no such thing. The time stamps on the
transcripts are when the words were spoken and bear only a passing
coincidence to when the event spoken about actually took place.
You're just another stupid troofer, grasping at straws.
age...@justicespammail.com
wrote:
>United 93 Still Airborne After Alleged Crash - According To ATC/Radar
>
>04/28/09 (PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Recently it has been brought to our
>attention that Air Traffic Control (ATC) transcripts reveal United 93 as
>being airborne after it's alleged crash.
JMD Morgan
> On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:19:29 -0500, JMD Morgan <John...@email.non>
> wrote:
>
>> United 93 Still Airborne After Alleged Crash - According To ATC/Radar
>>
>> 04/28/09 (PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Recently it has been brought to our
>> attention that Air Traffic Control (ATC) transcripts reveal United 93 as
>> being airborne after it's alleged crash.
>
>
> No, the transcripts show no such thing. The time stamps on the
Where are you getting this No from ? What is your proof ?
Provide evidence that flight 93 crashed that day ? You can't because it
is a lie.
Did Flight 93 really crash in Shanksville?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLJ7jEpmapQ
9/11 Video Clips Dan Rather Would Rather Not Show You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0eC3uns3pA&feature=related
FLIGHT 93 CRASH WITNESS SAW NO BOEING 757
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsCh_UGKvSc&feature=related
9/11 Shanksville Eyewitness Susan McElwain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gliHOhXYFQ&feature=related
Most people who were at the accident scene find no evidence that a
Boeing 757 (flight 93) have crashed there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ricB0waEN0
http://hoodwinkedatshanksville.blogspot.com/
age...@justicespammail.com
wrote:
>age...@justicespammail.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:19:29 -0500, JMD Morgan <John...@email.non>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> United 93 Still Airborne After Alleged Crash - According To ATC/Radar
>>>
>>> 04/28/09 (PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Recently it has been brought to our
>>> attention that Air Traffic Control (ATC) transcripts reveal United 93 as
>>> being airborne after it's alleged crash.
>>
>>
>> No, the transcripts show no such thing. The time stamps on the
>
>Where are you getting this No from ? What is your proof ?
The proof is that no one would be speaking at the same instant as
something is happening, sport.
>Provide evidence that flight 93 crashed that day ? You can't because it
>is a lie.
No, it's the truth, backed up by the recovered plane wreckage, the
recovered flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder, the remains
of the passengers and their belongings, etc.
>Did Flight 93 really crash in Shanksville?
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLJ7jEpmapQ
>
>9/11 Video Clips Dan Rather Would Rather Not Show You
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0eC3uns3pA&feature=related
>
>FLIGHT 93 CRASH WITNESS SAW NO BOEING 757
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsCh_UGKvSc&feature=related
>
>9/11 Shanksville Eyewitness Susan McElwain
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gliHOhXYFQ&feature=related
And the best "proof" you can come up with is amateur youtube videos?
What a joke.
>Most people who were at the accident scene find no evidence that a
>Boeing 757 (flight 93) have crashed there.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ricB0waEN0
Never seen a plane crash, have you, sport.
P200060 Photograph of an airplane part found in the
crater at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93
crashed
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200060.html
P200061 Photograph of an airplane part found at the
scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200061.html
P200062 Photograph of an airplane part found at the
scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200062.html
P200063 Photograph of debris found at the scene in
Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200063.html
P200065 Photograph of the cockpit voice recorder found
at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200065.html
P200066 Photograph of the flight data recorder found
at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200066.html
P200068 Photograph of the driver's license of John
Talignani found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where
Flight 93 crashed
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200068.html
P200069 Photograph of the personal effects of CeeCee
Lyles found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where
Flight 93 crashed
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200069.html
Lots of people saw it crash
http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Flight_93_witnesses
And the passengers identified
http://www.kcra.com/news/1134481/detail.html
You're just another stupid troofer, grasping at straws. And you seem
to enjoy getting proven wrong time and again.