Rosemarie Fritzl Seeks Divorce
earthage
Austrian Incest Dad's Wife Seeks Divorce
Unconfirmed Reports Claim That Josef Fritzl Also 'Raped His Wife's
Sister'
By CHRISTEL KUCHARZ
PASSAU, Germany, July 30, 2008
ABC News
Rosemarie Fritzl, 69, the wife of the man who had imprisoned his own
daughter Elisabeth for 24 years in the basement of the family home in
Amstetten, Austria, seems to be getting ready for a new life.
Josef and Rosemarie Fritzl celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary
in 2006.
(John Williams/Israel Sun/Landov)She was reportedly seen by next-door
neighbors last weekend picking up some personal belongings, such as
clothes, a mattress and a few pieces of furniture, when she returned
to the infamous Ybbsstraße 40 address.
Relatives accompanied her to help her clear out the top floor
apartment in the home she shared for more than a half century with her
husband, Josef Fitzl, until his horrific crime came to light in
April.
She did not spend much time at the house and she only briefly nodded
her head at her former neighbors, reportedly saying, "I'm fine,
thanks, I'm fine."
Rosemarie Fritzl, her daughter Elisabeth, 42, and Elisabeth's six
surviving children had initially moved into an apartment inside the
Amstetten-Mauer hospital, where they all received special care and
treatment by a group of physicians and psychiatrists in the weeks
following the crime's discovery.
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and her kids are still in seclusion at their apartment inside the
facility, Rosemarie is said to have left them after the two women had
a row.
Austrian newspapers claim that Elisabeth was devastated that the three
children, who were raised by her mother as "foundlings" upstairs,
still call Rosemarie "Mom." Elisabeth also was upset that her mother
never stood up to her father, who began to rape her when she was 11
years old, according to her statement to the police.
Austrian papers report that Elisabeth is not convinced that her mother
knew nothing of the abuse she suffered before her father locked her up
for most of her life.
Austrian newspaper Oesterreich claims she has now told her mother to
stay away from the family's apartment at the psychiatric clinic.
Rosemarie Fritzl was said to be "shattered" by her daughter's request
and has since moved in with one of her other children.
Rosemarie has now reportedly said she plans to divorce her husband,
who is in jail awaiting his trial later this year facing potential
charges of rape, incarceration, incest and possibly manslaughter.
Meanwhile a rumor that Josef Fritzl, who has been dubbed "monster" by
Austrian media sources, had raped his wife's sister cannot be
confirmed by Austrian prosecutor, Gerhard Sedlacek.
Sedlacek told ABCNews.com today, "We heard about that rumor, which
allegedly stems from a diary found at Mr. Fritzl's home in Amstetten,
which noted that he had sexually attacked his sister-in-law, but we
have no facts which would lead us to investigate in that direction."
earthage
> Austrian Incest Dad's Wife Seeks Divorce
> Unconfirmed Reports Claim That Josef Fritzl Also 'Raped His Wife's
> Sister'
> By CHRISTEL KUCHARZ
> PASSAU, Germany, July 30, 2008
> ABC News
>
>Elisabeth and her kids are still in seclusion at their apartment inside the
> facility, Rosemarie is said to have left them after the two women had
> a row.
>
> Austrian newspapers claim that Elisabeth was devastated that the three
> children, who were raised by her mother as "foundlings" upstairs,
> still call Rosemarie "Mom." Elisabeth also was upset that her mother
> never stood up to her father, who began to rape her when she was 11
> years old, according to her statement to the police.
>
> Austrian papers report that Elisabeth is not convinced that her mother
> knew nothing of the abuse she suffered before her father locked her up
> for most of her life.
>
> Austrian newspaper Oesterreich claims she has now told her mother to
> stay away from the family's apartment at the psychiatric clinic.
> Rosemarie Fritzl was said to be "shattered" by her daughter's request
> and has since moved in with one of her other children.
>
From the Daily Mail:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1039607/Cellar-beast-Fritzls-wife-divorce-52-years.html
Elisabeth is angry that the three children Rosemarie brought up call
her mother instead of grandmother.
She is said to find it hard to understand why her mother stayed with
her father even though he was a convicted rapist who spent time in
jail in the 1960’s.
And she is also having trouble accepting her mother did not know she
was being abused when she was an 11-year-old schoolgirl, or that she
did not try to do more to find her when Frtitzl said she had run away
as a teenager.
Consequently, Rosemarie has moved out of the clinic and is living
alone in a £270 a month rented flat in Linz.
tiny dancer
"earthage" <eartha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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MSNBC special, "The Longest Night: Secrets of the Austrian Cellar." shown
in five parts on You Tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpT5DO6rVDk
Very interesting
td
JonesieCat
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Oh dear. Thx for link. Hard to watch and listen. He's TVom, of the worst
kind. I am extremely impressed with the security of the psychiatric hosp
housing the family.
jc
Bill Shroyer
interested in:
- Her mother has her children calling her "mom" when they should be
calling her "grandma" or some such;
- Elizabeth has finally expressed publicly resentment over the fact
that her mother did nothing to protect her from the abuse she knew
about (not an uncommon situation, and not at all an uncommon reaction
in adult survivors of such abuse);
- and finally, she suspects her mother might possibly have known about
her entrapment in the basement dungeon.
I think anyone could've seen this coming, though I'm sure we all hoped
otherwise. I tried to believe her mother was more innocent than that,
but felt it unlikely. With Elizabeth now giving public voice to those
suspicions, they feel much more likely to be true - at least to me.
JonesieCat
"Bill Shroyer" <BillS...@Pittsburgh.com> wrote in message
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Whether her mother knew about it or not, seems to me rage at Mom from E.
would be inevitable. And someday it may ebb, who knows? What about E.'s
female sibs for that matter? Did they not know their dad was a dangerous
pervert? And the iron hand of that monster who ruled the place - was NO ONE
of that large family ever CURIOUS about the secret work going on at the back
of THEIR HOUSE??? Yet, at the same time, even if anyone ever had any
curiousity, would anybody ever consider it possible he was holding his
missing daughter prisoner? Perhaps in those first months, with talk of an
imaginary sect, wouldn't you search every nook and cranny of your house and
the neighborhood and get LE in to do the same? Espec LE - but they too fell
down on the job, IMO. And especially later, all curiosity, if there was any,
probably abated when the babies began showing up. Never would it occur to
any rational person they were born RIGHT THERE, surely. As for E., I'd be
more suspicious of what the mother knew about the alleged assaults of E.
between the ages of 11 and 18 - does E. have reason to believe her mom knew
but let it go? Also, I'm curious to what the monster's behaviour was toward
E.'s 2 upstairs girls. They so resemble E. at the same age. But for some
reason I'm thinking he satisfied his sick self in the secret rooms below and
left those girls alone? I hope he left them alone.
jc
Bill Shroyer
<jonesi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> "Bill Shroyer" <BillS...@Pittsburgh.com> wrote in message
> news:jngc941hg88kr092q...@4ax.com...
<snip>
> > I think anyone could've seen this coming, though I'm sure we all hoped
> > otherwise. I tried to believe her mother was more innocent than that,
> > but felt it unlikely. With Elizabeth now giving public voice to those
> > suspicions, they feel much more likely to be true - at least to me.
>
> Whether her mother knew about it or not, seems to me rage at Mom from E.
> would be inevitable. And someday it may ebb, who knows? What about E.'s
> female sibs for that matter? Did they not know their dad was a dangerous
> pervert? And the iron hand of that monster who ruled the place - was NO ONE
> of that large family ever CURIOUS about the secret work going on at the back
> of THEIR HOUSE??? Yet, at the same time, even if anyone ever had any
> curiousity, would anybody ever consider it possible he was holding his
> missing daughter prisoner? Perhaps in those first months, with talk of an
> imaginary sect, wouldn't you search every nook and cranny of your house and
> the neighborhood and get LE in to do the same? Espec LE - but they too fell
> down on the job, IMO. And especially later, all curiosity, if there was any,
> probably abated when the babies began showing up. Never would it occur to
> any rational person they were born RIGHT THERE, surely. As for E., I'd be
> more suspicious of what the mother knew about the alleged assaults of E.
> between the ages of 11 and 18 - does E. have reason to believe her mom knew
> but let it go? Also, I'm curious to what the monster's behaviour was toward
> E.'s 2 upstairs girls. They so resemble E. at the same age. But for some
> reason I'm thinking he satisfied his sick self in the secret rooms below and
> left those girls alone? I hope he left them alone.
This certainly proves that a case can be made for either possibility
wrt whether or not her mother knew.
I guess the really difficult thing to grasp is in retrospect - There
were plenty of clues as to what had been transpiring in that basement
all those years. Lots and lots and lots of them. Oodles, in fact. But
what good is a clue when you don't realize you should be looking for
it?
It's just one of those things nobody outside of Mrs. Fritz's skull can
ever really truly know.
katiedid
> It's just one of those things nobody outside of Mrs. Fritz's skull can
> ever really truly know.
What did she think he was doing in the basement every night ?
Apparently he brought his 'second family' a meal , and he visited long
enough to rape the daughter, every freakin day.
Didnt mama wonder where he was going with that pot of stew every
night?
My husband has converted our garage into his 'palace'. It is quite
nice out there- and he hangs out there quite a bit.
But I have been out there enough to be certain there are none of our
kids chained to the cement floor.
JonesieCat
"Yeah Righto" <ye...@right.left.centre> wrote in message
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> On , , Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:22:10 -0400, Re: Rosemarie Fritzl Seeks
> Divorce, "tiny dancer" <tinyda...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>MSNBC special, "The Longest Night: Secrets of the Austrian Cellar." shown
>>in five parts on You Tube.
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpT5DO6rVDk
>>
>>
>>Very interesting
>
> at the end.
> After the girl was in hospital and the doctors made the appeal
> for the mother to come forward, why did he release everyone and
> go to the hospital, TWICE? He had every opportunity to kill them,
> in fact he is reputed to have said this "I could have killed
> them" he said.
> What made him suddenly turn 180 degrees and release everyone and
> walk right into apprehension?
> I think there may be something else we haven't heard of yet. For
> the life of me I can't think of what it is.
> Once he had released them he had plenty of time to escape, I'm
> sure he had made provision for that, money stashed away. He could
> have committed suicide. I'm sure he wasn't so delusory that he
> thought he could explain everything away, especially with the
> daughter there with him.
> What made him suddenly give up?
> I'd love to know.
IMO he indeed did believe he could control E. and her children to the bitter
end. He was convinced after 24 years that she belonged to him and would
operate as programmed. Just as her mother before her. He sure could have
killed them - and I'm thinking he's sorry he didn't. He isn't wasting his
time with emotional regret, but with self-centered, 'poor me' regret. "Poor
me, I SHOULD have killed them. NOBODY APPRECIATES ME for allowing them to
live!". And he is full of hubris: "I'm smarter than everyone else, including
LE." He STILL believes that. Oh, he'll agree he's a little bit guilty of
this or that, but only to satisfy the unwashed masses.
And I don't believe there was any money stashed away. Reports have it that
he was in financial distress. That kind of pressure added to his problematic
decision of what to do about E.'s eldest, Kersten. When he made the decision
to take K. out to a hosp? That was a bad decision on his part, and spelled
the beginning of his end. It was part of his decompensation, IMO. Now he's
in a static position, in jail, all pressures of his "normal" life have been
dispensed with, at least for the time being. Let's see what happens.
jc