Patsy Ramsey sells Michigan vacation home
DorianA123
By Charlie Brennan
News Staff Writer
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BOULDER -- Patsy Ramsey has sold the Michigan vacation home to which her family
had planned to travel the day her daughter, JonBenet, was found dead.
The transaction was completed Wednesday afternoon. The sale price for the
two-story, Victorian-style home at 112 Belvedere Ave. in rural Charlevoix could
not be determined Thursday.
"They filed a Michigan real estate transfer tax valuation affidavit, and that
means the price is not disclosed to the public," said Virginia Marme, clerk of
deeds for Charlevoix County.
A warranty deed documenting Wednesday's transaction listed only Patsy Ramsey as
the seller and was signed only by Patsy. It included no mention of her husband,
John, even though county records show John and Patsy as buyers when they
purchased it Dec. 23, 1992. The Ramseys bought the 1,731-square-foot home for
$336,400 then made substantial improvements.
The Charlevoix property, perched on a bluff overlooking Round Lake and just
minutes from the Lake Michigan shore, became the Ramseys' favored summer
vacation spot. JonBenet even won one of her beauty crowns in Michigan, taking
Little Miss Charlevoix honors in the summer of '95.
The Ramseys had planned to fly to Charlevoix the morning of Dec. 26, 1996.
Instead, they told police, they awoke to find that JonBenet, 6, was missing.
Her body, beaten and strangled, was found by her father in the family's
basement that afternoon. The child's death is the subject of an ongoing Boulder
County grand jury investigation.
Charlevoix County records show the new owners of the Ramseys' vacation home as
David D. and Sharon A. Dalenberg of Chicago. They could not be reached for
comment Thursday.
Vacation Properties Network, the general broker in Charlevoix that listed the
Ramseys' Michigan retreat, would not disclose the asking price.
During the 27-month investigation into JonBenet's death, the Ramseys'
Charlevoix home had been searched twice.
Boulder detectives Ron Gosage and Jane Harmer searched the home Jan. 6, 1997,
looking for any documented evidence of threats against the Ramseys that might
be related to JonBenet's slaying.
On March 6, 1997, Harmer returned for a second search. This time, she was
targeting any samples of Patsy Ramsey's handwriting. She did so, according to
the search warrant affidavit, based on a Colorado Bureau of Investigation
analysis that found indications that Patsy may have authored the ransom note
she reported finding before alerting police to JonBenet's disappearance.
March 26, 1999
guppy99
to "get away from it all" are long gone.
guppy
DorianA123 wrote in message <19990327080113...@ng16.aol.com>...
kkramer
Witch!
Keith
guppy99 wrote in message ...
Volfie
>Witch!
>Keith
I hope someone is keeping a good eye on her because she has the means and the
money to leave the country to avoid prosecution. The press is certainly giving
her enough warning. Who on the GJ has loose lips, do you suppose?
Volfie <- hoping JBR will RIP some day
Mametsuki
Certainly this means someone in that "adams family" has the need of an
expensive defense lawyer!!! Could it be? Justice just might be breathing a sigh
of relief.
Mametsuki
Kris Baker
And.....has anyone else wondered if there's a Ramsey split-up
coming quickly?
John and Patsy bought the home in Charlevoix together.
BUT....Patsy sold it (singularly.)
I'm wondering if there's been a lot of property division going
on, behind the scenes? If not in the case of divorce/separation,
perhaps to protect assets?
Kris
Maggie8097
>And.....has anyone else wondered if there's a Ramsey split-up
>coming quickly?
>
>John and Patsy bought the home in Charlevoix together.
>
>BUT....Patsy sold it (singularly.)
>
>I'm wondering if there's been a lot of property division going
>on, behind the scenes? If not in the case of divorce/separation,
>perhaps to protect assets?
***I suspect that it's estate planning that's been going on (or more likely was
going on several years ago).
AFAIK, about the only reasons a couple would transfer assets to one of them is
to (1) protect the asset in the event of a successful suit against the party
transfering interest (v. unlikely here--they both owned the Boulder House and
unless there is a lot we don't know, John has lots of other assets), (2) in
anticipation of a divorce settlement (doubtful she'd actually get around to
selling the house before anyone would even know they were splitting up) or (3)
estate planning.
I think the last has to be what it is. Patsy probably didn't have any assets
in her own name and it looked for a while like she was going to die. I would
bet that sufficient assets were put in her name ($600,000, by law) that her
entire estate would be transfered to the children tax-free. Since she didn't
die, obviously she didn't need this little estate tax shelter. And with the
family living in Atlanta, it's probably a lot tougher to get up to Michigan
anyway, so I bet they'll be buying something a little closer to Atlanta.
Maggie
"You don't really understand human nature unless you know why a child on a
merry-go-round will wave at his parents every time around--and why his parents
will always wave back."--William D. Tammeus
kkramer
guessing, that wealthy and successful Mr Ramsey had his beauty queen wife
sign a prenup. I am suspicious, too!!
Keith
Kris Baker wrote in message
<7e0o5v$abv2$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>...
>mame...@aol.com (Mametsuki) wrote:
>>Yippeeee!!!!!!
>>Certainly this means someone in that "adams family" has the need
>>of an expensive defense lawyer!!! Could it be? Justice just might be
>>breathing a sigh of relief.
>>Mametsuki
>
>And.....has anyone else wondered if there's a Ramsey split-up
>coming quickly?
>
>John and Patsy bought the home in Charlevoix together.
>
>BUT....Patsy sold it (singularly.)
>
>I'm wondering if there's been a lot of property division going
>on, behind the scenes? If not in the case of divorce/separation,
>perhaps to protect assets?
>
>Kris
>
kkramer
it stands, she may walk away scot free. Sickening, huh?
Keith
Volfie wrote in message <19990401062608...@ng154.aol.com>...
kkramer
As I see it, her note was manipulating the entire matter. Her press
conferences were another form of manipulation. This is the first time I
have ever see such a high profile manipulator.
Since you don't seem to mind the likes of Strange, Stephens, Larwick, and
Keeney, I would personally like to ask the judge to send them HOME WITH YOU.
hahah
Keith
CAP...@webtv.net wrote in message
<15330-37...@newsd-221.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
x-no-archive: yes
"...the WITCH..." ???
Gee, I missed that trial - found her as "guilty" as OJ, huh !!!
and, "YOU" have the audasity to use the term, "white trash" !!!
Thank you for your time and consideration:
With GODS' LOVE Capt JOHN "V"
Kris Baker
>Maggie
Good point - I'd not thought of that. But....if there's an
indication
of an indictment (Hoffman is firm that Patsy's attorneys have
discussed it), this may be a good way for her to raise a large
amount of cash without hurting their primary assets?
Kris
guppy99
Kris Baker wrote ...
> Good point - I'd not thought of that. But....if there's an
>indication
> of an indictment (Hoffman is firm that Patsy's attorneys have
> discussed it), this may be a good way for her to raise a large
> amount of cash without hurting their primary assets?
Why would the Ramseys want to keep this place anyway?
They can't possibly vacation there anymore.
guppy
Kris Baker
>Why would the Ramseys want to keep this place anyway?
>They can't possibly vacation there anymore.
>guppy
Why not? It hasn't stopped them before.
Kris
guppy99
Kris Baker wrote in message
Have they been up there recently? I just assumed they wouldn't
go up there in the winter, and this summer would be too "hot"
for them to have any privacy.
guppy
Kris Baker
>Kris Baker wrote in message
>>"guppy99" <gup...@flash.net> wrote:
>>>Why would the Ramseys want to keep this place anyway?
>>>They can't possibly vacation there anymore.
>>>guppy
>> Why not? It hasn't stopped them before.
>>Kris
>Have they been up there recently? I just assumed they wouldn't
>go up there in the winter, and this summer would be too "hot"
>for them to have any privacy.
>guppy
Probably not recently, because it is a summer vacation home.
But since JonBenet's murder, they've visited. I don't know
how many times, but it's been newsworthy. I'd think it'd be
"cooler" now than before - the story's getting less coverage.
Kris
Clifford Griffith
>
> If she fled, it mean conviction because it shows consciousness of guilt. As
> it stands, she may walk away scot free. Sickening, huh?
> Keith
Flight might keep her *out* of jail. Remember Ira Einhorn and
What's-his-name...producer who used to be married to Sharon Tate.
Francophile that Patsy is, she'd go to France. The French won't
extradite people facing the death penalty, and they don't accept
verdicts rendered in absentia.
Linda
JIM FILZ
**** Which makes me wonder why the whole family was going to be there for the
week after Christmas. I wish that more of this kind of information were
available, but you have to be a cop to be asking these kinds of questions.
**** One thing the "kidnapping" certainly prevented, was that Christmas week
trip to Michigan. Was that possibly intentional?
kkramer
tried in absentia and sentenced to die. France doesn't believe in the death
penalty. Otherwise, I think France would have extradited. Not 100%
positive.
Patsy Ramsey is ego-driven. And, I cant see why. Look at her. Anyway, if
she had told the police the truth from the start, she would be looking at
manslaughter and not first degree murder. Remember her rage? Unless we
have laws specifically bootstrapping the crime to a higher level.
I remember Tate's producer pervert husband. I have no use for him, either.
Keith
Clifford Griffith wrote in message <370476B8...@home.com>...
Harvey Nehgila
>And with the family living in Atlanta, it's probably a lot tougher
>to get up to Michigan anyway, so I bet they'll be buying something
>a little closer to Atlanta.
Why is it tougher from Atlanta than from Boulder?
Maggie8097
>
>>And with the family living in Atlanta, it's probably a lot tougher
>>to get up to Michigan anyway, so I bet they'll be buying something
>>a little closer to Atlanta.
>
>Why is it tougher from Atlanta than from Boulder?
***Because he no longer has access to that Access Graphics jet that he used to
fly up there all the time?>
Maggie
"You don't really understand human nature unless you know why a child on a
merry-go-round will wave at his parents every time around--and why his parents
Harvey Nehgila
>>harvey said:
>>Why is it tougher from Atlanta than from Boulder?
>Because he no longer has access to that Access Graphics
>jet that he used to fly up there all the time?
Is that a known fact? I've never seen it referred to as anything but
JR's plane (most recently by Schiller on Dateline). Was it confirmed
anywhere that the plane belonged to Access and remained in Boulder?
And if it did, is there any reason to believe he didn't get the same deal
on aircraft access when he became CEO of Jaleo? Or that he didn't
simply charter a plane when the need arose? (an option much more
available in Atlanta than in Boulder).
John R. Woodward
Clifford Griffith wrote in message <370476B8...@home.com>...
>kkramer wrote:
>>
>> If she fled, it mean conviction because it shows consciousness of guilt.
As
>> it stands, she may walk away scot free. Sickening, huh?
>> Keith
>
>Flight might keep her *out* of jail. Remember Ira Einhorn and
>What's-his-name...producer who used to be married to Sharon Tate.
>Francophile that Patsy is, she'd go to France. The French won't
>extradite people facing the death penalty, and they don't accept
>verdicts rendered in absentia.
>
>Linda
Very interesting idea, Linda . . . the particular child molester you refer
to is Roman Polanski, BTW. He was a director, not a producer.
Clifford Griffith
"John R. Woodward" wrote:
>
> Clifford Griffith wrote in message <370476B8...@home.com>...
> >Flight might keep her *out* of jail. Remember Ira Einhorn and
> >What's-his-name...producer who used to be married to Sharon Tate.
> >Francophile that Patsy is, she'd go to France. The French won't
> >extradite people facing the death penalty, and they don't accept
> >verdicts rendered in absentia.
> >
> >Linda
>
> Very interesting idea, Linda . . . the particular child molester you refer
> to is Roman Polanski, BTW. He was a director, not a producer.
Yep, that's the one! I always get those two confused: director directs
the actors; producer produces the money, right?
Linda
movie...@my-dejanews.com
<JRWoo...@nettally.com> wrote:
> Very interesting idea, Linda . . . the particular child molester you
> you refer to is Roman Polanski, BTW. He was a director, not a producer.
Yes...but if you check the Internet Movie Database, you will
see that Polanski has produced several films, has also written
for film and acted in films...but yes, he's most known as a
director.
John R. Woodward
Clifford Griffith wrote in message <3709961E...@home.com>...
>
>
>"John R. Woodward" wrote:
>>
>> Very interesting idea, Linda . . . the particular child molester you
refer
>> to is Roman Polanski, BTW. He was a director, not a producer.
>Yep, that's the one! I always get those two confused: director directs
>the actors; producer produces the money, right?
>
>Linda
Yes, you're right.
Incidentally, few child molesters recount their crimes in a published
autobiography, but Polansky did. See ROMAN. The pages dealing with his crime
are pretty disgusting . . . not just the explicit details, but the
rationalization.