6 child-slaves,aged 2,5.6,7,8,& 11,die in fire at their grandparents house,3 adults escape,2 of them uninjured,no sign of arson,in MI
Joe1orbit
It doesn't sound as though this is a true crime in terms of arson, but I
thought I'd post it anyway, since there are criminal elements and angles that I
feel exist, even though nobody is going to be prosecuted.
Over in Michigan, SIX child-slaves, aged 2, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 11, are DEAD. They
all died inside the home of their grandparents, after a fire raced through the
house just 10 or so hours ago. There were a total of THREE adults and 1 other
child-slave in the home. All three adults were able to escape the flames,
although 1 of them did suffer fairly severe burns/smoke inhalation. A 10 year
old boy managed to escape as well. But his six siblings all bit the dust,
trapped in two upstairs bedrooms. It's interesting that all 3 adults did manage
to escape with their lives, 2 of them suffering NO injuries at ALL, but
couldn't be bothered enough to seriously try and rescue the 6 trapped
child-slaves who were upstairs. Can't really blame them in that regard, since
it is natural and appropriate for all humans to value their OWN lives above the
lives of all other living things.
This house was apparently NOT the primary residence of the children. It was
instead the grandparents home, and the 7 slaves were staying over for the
night. The Mommy of the 7 was NOT at home when the fire broke out, but 3 adults
were inside. It does NOT look as though the fire was deliberately set, at this
point in time. But the investigation is still very much in it's beginning
stages, and no specific cause for the fire has been established.
This was NOT a high-rise building. It was apparently only a 2 or 3 storey
house. I would assume that the upstairs bedrooms had windows, and the older of
the 6 trapped children, being aged 11 and 8, should have been able to open up
the windows and JUMP out, suffering injuries, no doubt, but probably not fatal
ones. But for whatever reason the kids did not jump from the upstairs bedroom
windows, and instead waited to be rescued and ended up dying of smoke or the
actual fire itself.
No criminal charges will be filed against anyone, unless it DOES turn out to
be an arson fire. Even if there were NO smoke detectors installed or
operational in the house, there is almost no chance of the grandparents or
anyone else facing criminal charges. IMO, allowing children to sleep in a house
when there are no smoke detectors SHOULD be a prosecutable child abuse crime,
and if an actual FIRE occurs, causing injury or death to children, the charge
should be manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide. I also think that the
smoke detector "rule", which is only treated as a LAW in some states, should be
expanded to include MANDATORY operational fire extinguishers being in every
home that has children. I own SIX professional quality fire extinguishers, that
I keep in OPEN view in various rooms of my fortress. One in the basement, one
in the kitchen, one in the living room, amd the other 3 in other rooms. And I
automatically THROW OUT each fire extinguisher after 8 years, replacing it with
a NEW one. I put a little label on each extinguisher, to remind me of exactly
when I need to replace it. This is what a SUPERIOR, self-loving human being
like myself does.
Child-slaves, lacking the ability to buy fire extinguishers or smoke
detectors for themselves, should be protected by society from their inferior,
cheapskate, malevolent slaveowners, by strict laws that will PUNISH slaveowners
who fail to provide a maximimally fire-safe environment for their slaves.
Take care, JOE
The following appears courtesy of today's Associated Press news wire:
Six Kids Die in Detroit House Fire
By DAVID GOODMAN
DETROIT (AP) -- Six children, the youngest 2 years old, were killed Sunday when
a fire sent flames and smoke roaring through the upstairs bedrooms of their
grandparents' home.
Three adults and a 10-year-old child escaped.
``The only way to get out was to jump out the windows,'' Arson Chief Jon Bozich
told WDIV-TV. ``We had two individuals who managed to do that ... but
unfortunately the younger children for some reason didn't do that.''
The children, ages 2, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 11, were found in two bedrooms. Their
mother was not at the home. Among the adults who escaped was the grandmother,
officials said.
Bobby Turner, a newspaper deliveryman, spotted the fire shortly before 7 a.m.
He said he saw two women fall out the front door, then went around back,
climbed on the porch roof and pounded on a window.
``I was banging on the window, saying: 'Anybody in there? Anybody in there?' It
was just too late,'' he said.
Two of the adults who escaped were unharmed. There was no official word on the
condition of the two others.
AP-NY-12-27-98
tribe
>
> Hello,
>
> It doesn't sound as though this is a true crime in terms of arson, but I
> thought I'd post it anyway, since there are criminal elements and angles that I
> feel exist, even though nobody is going to be prosecuted.
>
> Over in Michigan, SIX child-slaves, aged 2, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 11, are DEAD. They
> all died inside the home of their grandparents, after a fire raced through the
> house just 10 or so hours ago. There were a total of THREE adults and 1 other
> child-slave in the home. All three adults were able to escape the flames,
> although 1 of them did suffer fairly severe burns/smoke inhalation. A 10 year
> old boy managed to escape as well. But his six siblings all bit the dust,
> trapped in two upstairs bedrooms. It's interesting that all 3 adults did manage
> to escape with their lives, 2 of them suffering NO injuries at ALL,
Is it just me, or does the Christmas season seem to others
to increase the amount of reports of fires and deaths from
fires on local newsprograms? I know the Boston area has had
at least 10 different cases of house fires reported on the
local news since Christmas Eve. All are still being
investigated...I am not sure if arson is involved in any of
them. But I find it curious that the holiday season and the
increased reports of fires seem to g hand in hand. I've
also noticed the trend of local reporters to highlight the
plight of the homeless at this time of year. (As if this is
not that big a deal in February of July). ---Tribe
tyz...@my-dejanews.com
Tribe:
No it isn't just you - although I am unqualified to speak for anyone else,
it's been my personal experience that yes, there are more fires, simply
because in places like Chicago, the weather is starting to turn colder - it's
been EXTREMELY mild for this time of year here - but as it starts getting
colder as it has in recent days, space heaters come out, people use ovens
for warmth, and let's not forget lighting all those beautiful Christmasy
candles that people just ignore which tend to start things like curtains,
carpet, etc. on fire. Also, it is at this time of year with the seasonal
weather changes, that people require shelter - bringing that whole issue of
homelessness back to the forefront, and, I assume, playing on sympathy for us
to "donate" and "help". Frankly, my sentiments about certain things and
injustices, as well as my compassion for others is NOT a seasonal thing. But
I digress...sorry! :)
Joe:
Thank you for the article. I heard about this last night - were you aware
that the mother of the children was in the hospital at the time giving birth
to yet ANOTHER child while this was going on? That was why the children were
at the Grandmother's house from the reports I heard.
Regards,
Tyzano
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Joe1orbit
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > It doesn't sound as though this is a true crime in terms of arson, but
>I
>> > thought I'd post it anyway, since there are criminal elements and angles
>that I
>> > feel exist, even though nobody is going to be prosecuted.
>> >
>> > Over in Michigan, SIX child-slaves, aged 2, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 11, are
>DEAD.
>They
>> > all died inside the home of their grandparents, after a fire raced
>through
>the
>> > house just 10 or so hours ago. There were a total of THREE adults and 1
>other
>> > child-slave in the home. All three adults were able to escape the flames,
>> > although 1 of them did suffer fairly severe burns/smoke inhalation. A 10
>year
>> > old boy managed to escape as well. But his six siblings all bit the dust,
>> > trapped in two upstairs bedrooms. It's interesting that all 3 adults did
>manage
>> > to escape with their lives, 2 of them suffering NO injuries at ALL,
>> <snip>
>In article <368747E6...@tiac.net>,
> tr...@tiac.net wrote:
>> Is it just me, or does the Christmas season seem to others
>> to increase the amount of reports of fires and deaths from
>> fires on local newsprograms? I know the Boston area has had
>> at least 10 different cases of house fires reported on the
>> local news since Christmas Eve. All are still being
>> investigated...I am not sure if arson is involved in any of
>> them. But I find it curious that the holiday season and the
>> increased reports of fires seem to g hand in hand. I've
>> also noticed the trend of local reporters to highlight the
>> plight of the homeless at this time of year. (As if this is
>> not that big a deal in February of July). ---Tribe
tyz...@my-dejanews.com Wrote:
>Tribe:
>
>No it isn't just you - although I am unqualified to speak for anyone else,
>it's been my personal experience that yes, there are more fires, simply
>because in places like Chicago, the weather is starting to turn colder - it's
>been EXTREMELY mild for this time of year here - but as it starts getting
>colder as it has in recent days, space heaters come out, people use ovens
>for warmth, and let's not forget lighting all those beautiful Christmasy
>candles that people just ignore which tend to start things like curtains,
>carpet, etc. on fire. Also, it is at this time of year with the seasonal
>weather changes, that people require shelter - bringing that whole issue of
>homelessness back to the forefront, and, I assume, playing on sympathy for us
>to "donate" and "help". Frankly, my sentiments about certain things and
>injustices, as well as my compassion for others is NOT a seasonal thing. But
>I digress...sorry! :)
>
>Joe:
>
>Thank you for the article.
Hello Tyzano,
You're very welcome.
> I heard about this last night - were you aware
>that the mother of the children was in the hospital at the time giving birth
>to yet ANOTHER child while this was going on?
Yes indeed. This info was revealed in a later wire report, not in the initial
one that I posted. Decided not to make a second post just to provide this info,
since there was and is nothing to suggest that this was an ARSON fire. But
since you mentiuon this fact, I guess I'll paste in an updated news article
which does confirm that the Mommy of these 7 slaves was indeed in the hospital,
resting and recovering after having belched slave #8 out of her womb about 40
hours BEFORE the fire broke out.
In fact, the Mommy was WATCHING TV from her hospital bed, SAW the fire being
repoerted on the news, REALIZED that it was the house where her 7 slaves were
staying, then FAINTED upon hearing that some of the child-slaves inside were
indeed dead.
>That was why the children were
>at the Grandmother's house from the reports I heard.
According to the final article below, the children were LIVING in this house.
Presumably the Mommy was living there as well. See below for more info. There
is still NO determination of a specific cause for this fire, but arson
investigators say it continues to look like an accidental blaze, with no overt
signs of arson. They do QUALIFY this statement by saying they are "puzzled" by
the fire, and have not found a reasonable explanation for how the fire could
have started in an accidental manner. There WERE operational smoke detectors in
the house, but the 6 children were trappen upstairs, and apparently too
frightened to jump out of the upstairs windows.
Take care, JOE
The following appears courtesy of today's Associated Press news wire:
6 Children Killed in Home Fire
By DAVID GOODMAN
DETROIT (AP) -- Fremeka O'Steen was recovering in her hospital room two days
after giving birth to her eighth child when images of a local house fire
flashed across her television.
The 27-year-old recognized the home as her mother's and fainted. Six of her
children who were trapped upstairs died in Sunday's blaze.
``She was flipping through the television,'' relative Terrence O'Steen told the
Detroit Free Press. ``After she realized that it was her mother's house, in her
hospital bed she passed out.''
Ms. O'Steen's mother, two sisters and one of her children -- a 10-year-old girl
-- managed to escape after the fire started in a downstairs closet. One of the
sisters was eight months pregnant and miscarried after jumping from a
second-story window.
``Oh God, no! No! No!,'' neighbor Carolyn King screamed and fell to her knees
as a medical examiner carried the first of six body bags from the house.
The fire, which trapped the children by destroying stairs leading to the second
floor, appeared accidental, but the cause was still under investigation, fire
Lt. Katrina Butler said.
Bobby Turner was driving by in his Detroit Newspapers delivery van when he saw
the flames. He said he climbed up to a rear Plexiglas window and tried to break
in, burning his hands in the process.
``I was banging on the window, saying `Anybody in there? Anybody in there?''
Turner said. ``I hit it and hit it and hit it.''
Fire Chief Lee Moore identified the victims as Shameeka, 11; Shauniqua, 8;
Anthony, 7; Taniquia, 6; Desiree, 5; and Ashaunta, 2.
The victims' 10-year-old sister, Shacoya, escaped injury. Maternal grandmother
Hanna O'Steen, 47, and her daughters Makeba, 20, and Latoya, 15, were injured.
Latoya was in good condition at Henry Ford Hospital Sunday night, spokeswoman
Meredith Meyer said. A Detroit Receiving Hospital spokeswoman said Hanna
O'Steen had been treated and released, and Makeba O'Steen, who lost her unborn
child, was in serious condition after surgery.
Thirteen children have died this month in Detroit house fires. This year, 35
youths have died in city fires, compared with 16 in 1997.
``This is probably the worst December that I can remember,'' said Arson Chief
Jon Bozich.
Firefighters got the first call at 6:51 a.m. EST, Moore said. ``They pulled up
and it was fully engulfed,'' he said.
Moore said the house had at least one working smoke detector, but he cautioned
parents to tell their children what to do in the event of fire.
``You just don't take for granted that people know what to do,'' he said.
``Maybe if they had an evacuation plan the others would have survived, too.''
Ms. O'Steen and her new son, born Christmas Day, were supposed to be discharged
Sunday, but were being kept at Henry Ford Hospital for observation.
Newberry Elementary School, which four of the children attended, was to open
today to offer grief counseling for staff, students, family and friends of the
victims. The school has also set up a fund to provide financial support, food
and clothing for the family.
``This tragedy is devastating to the school and the community, and now is the
time for us to wrap our arms around the family and provide them with the
support they need, especially with financial help for funeral arrangements,''
Principal Ronald Williams said in a statement.
AP-NY-12-28-98
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The following appears courtesy of today's United Press International news
wire:
December 28 Fatal Detroit fire still a mystery
DETROIT, Dec. 28 (UPI) Detroit arson investigators are puzzled by a weekend
house fire that killed six young children.
Fire Capt. John Tucker says although investigators have determined the blaze
started in or near a first-floor storage closet beneath a staircase, they have
not found the exact cause and have yet to say whether it was accidental.
Tucker tells UPI today, "When you have that many kids in a house, you certainly
hope it was accidental."
Flames on the staircase trapped the five girls and one boy who perished.
Investigators hope to interview the victims' grandmother Hana O'Steen and two
aunts who survived with burns. Tucker says the interviews could help
firefighters pinpoint the cause.
When the blaze broke out Sunday morning in the grandmother's southwest side
house, the childrens' mother was in the hospital resting from the birth of a
baby boy.
The victims ages 2 to 11 died of smoke inhalation at the scene.
Tucker says investigators have found no electrical malfunction in the closet
area, and do not think the flames were sparked by a child playing with matches.
Counselors have been assigned to help grieving friends, relatives and
classmates at a school where four of the victims were students.
---------------------------------------------
The following appears courtesy of today's Reuters news wire:
December 28, 1998
Six Killed In House Fire
Reuters
(DETROIT) -- Authorities say six Detroit children who perished in a fire at
their grandmother's home probably died from smoke inhalation. Their mother was
recovering in the hospital after giving birth to an eighth child when news of
the fire reached her. A ten-year-old escaped the fire along with three adults.
But the child's brothers and sisters were trapped by flames that spread from a
closet to a stairwell, blocking the children's escape route. Smoke detectors in
the house alerted everyone to the danger, but officials speculate the children
were afraid to jump from a second- story window.
--------------------------------------------------
The following appears courtesy of the 12/28/98 online edition of The Detroit
Free Press newspaper:
6 siblings die while mother is in hospital
Number of kids killed in fires has more than doubled in Detroit
December 28, 1998
BY JEFFREY GHANNAM
Free Press Staff Writer
Frameka O'Steen was the mother of eight children after the birth of a boy on
Christmas Day.
But early Sunday, she found out that six of her children perished in a house
fire on Detroit's southwest side.
Lying in her hospital bed, she learned of the fire on TV.
Then she fainted.
According to a Free Press tally, O'Steen's children are among 16 people age 17
and younger who have been killed in Detroit fires since Thanksgiving, 13 in
December alone.
This year, 35 youths have died in fires in the city, more than double the
number killed in 1997, officials said.
On Sunday, recovering from childbirth at Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit,
O'Steen learned her children died in the fire that ravaged the home they shared
with their grandmother and two aunts.
"She was flipping through the television," said relative Terrence O'Steen.
"After she realized that it was her mother's house, in her hospital bed she
passed out."
Later, a relative called Frameka O'Steen and confirmed what had happened.
"She's not doing very well," her cousin Ann O'Steen said. "Those were her
children."
The O'Steen children who died were daughters Ashonte, 3; Dezare, 5; Nuna, 6;
Shaniqua, 8, and Shameka, 12, and a son, Anthony, 7. Shacoya, a 10-year-old
daughter, survived.
The 6:51 a.m. fire started in a closet beneath the stairway of the
aluminum-clad two-story home on 30th and Horatio and was fully involved when
firefighters arrived, said Arson Chief Jon Bozich.
"I'm quite sure the children were dead before firefighters arrived," Bozich
said.
With the stairway engulfed in flames, the children's only escape was out of a
second-story window, Bozich said.
"Children, when trapped in fires, will try to hide" and do not jump, said
Bozich, standing outside as investigators combed the wreckage for clues. The
fire does not appear suspicious, and no cause has been determined.
Bozich said children must be trained to help save themselves. "Fire drills will
definitely work because kids automatically remember what they've been trained
to do," he said.
The seven children were living with their grandmother, Hanna O'Steen, and her
two daughters, LaToya O'Steen, 15, and Makeba O'Steen, 20, said relatives
Dennis Fields and Andria O'Steen, 13.
Hanna and Shacoya were on the first floor when the fire broke out and escaped
out the front door, Fields said.
LaToya and Makeba jumped from a second-story window. Makeba, who was pregnant,
miscarried as a result of the fall and is in serious condition at Detroit
Receiving Hospital, a spokeswoman said. LaToya is in good condition at Henry
Ford Hospital, a spokeswoman said.
Hanna O'Steen was treated and released, relatives said.
Fields also said Frameka O'Steen, her baby boy and Shacoya will stay with
relatives, some of whom live across the street. The family plans to establish
an account with a local bank today to accept donations. Funeral plans were
incomplete.
Outside the home, Terrence O'Steen gazed at the wreckage and tried to imagine
instead the summer days when the children could be seen playing in the yard.
"I would come by and see them out here," he said, standing against a
bone-chilling wind. "You remember their faces."
Relatives and friends created a memorial to the children out of dozens of
stuffed animals.
"That's a memorial just to show our love," said Kim Bolden, 27, whose own three
children, ages 8, 9, and 10, knew the O'Steen kids.
Quentella Regular, a neighbor, said the tragedy should be a wake-up call to
stop fire fatalities.
"Every holiday, there's too many kids dying in house fires," said Regular, who
has two children.
"We're hoping this is the end of it," Bozich said.
Newberry Elementary School at 29th and Buchanan, where four of the victims were
students, will be open 11 a.m.-2:30 p.m. today to offer grief counseling. The
Detroit Public Schools has designated 1-313-596-4966 as a phone number to offer
aid.
Staff writer Jennifer Dixon contributed to this report.
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>Tyzano
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This is a horrible way to learn that maybe they should have had a fire plan in place.
