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Mr. Bill

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Jun 25, 2001, 6:33:17 PM6/25/01
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I believe that Ted Bundy fathered a daughter while in prison. She was 8
years old when he was executed.
I would be interested in any thoughts you have on whether this should have
been allowed. What about the effects on the child?


James Wooten

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Jun 25, 2001, 8:05:52 PM6/25/01
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Story goes TB's sperm was smuggled out of prison by Carol Boone(?) who then
artificially inseminated herself, so I don't think it was "allowed" by the
authorities in any sense of the word. I dunno if any DNA tests were done to
prove the child was his, however. As for executing people, I don't think
that should be allowed either.

JW


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Miss Jo Anne CD

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Jun 25, 2001, 8:08:15 PM6/25/01
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>From: "Mr. Bill" Jon...@home.com
>>>>>I would be interested in any thoughts you have on whether this should have
been allowed. What about the effects on the child?<<<<<

On a related topic....Tex Watson who was the main killer in the Manson
murders fathered I believe 2 or 3 children while jailed.....I believe this is
wrong but I`m more interested in those women who would marry and conceive
children with someone who had done such things

Delwood

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Jun 25, 2001, 8:13:17 PM6/25/01
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 00:05:52 GMT, "James Wooten" <siri...@gulf.net>
wrote:

>Story goes TB's sperm was smuggled out of prison by Carol Boone(?) who then
>artificially inseminated herself, so I don't think it was "allowed" by the
>authorities in any sense of the word. I dunno if any DNA tests were done to
>prove the child was his, however. As for executing people, I don't think
>that should be allowed either.
>


Sigh.........Another coddle the criminal kook liberal who thinks that
criminals have more rights than the people they kill.

Sad........

GMSpider

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Jun 25, 2001, 9:51:28 PM6/25/01
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Can't really say it was "allowed". Ted and his wife had sex behind the water
cooler in the visiting room at the prison. Florida allows contact visits, the
water cooler has since been removed.


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Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others.

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PattyC

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Jun 25, 2001, 9:58:13 PM6/25/01
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James Wooten <siri...@gulf.net> wrote in message
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> --

NOT that I think it's normal or vaguely reasonable to want to even have sex
with Ted Bundy (more or less my all time favorite murderer, so to speak, as
in where my deepest interest lies) to have a baby, but....

If the above is true, that she actually took effort to make a baby via
artificial insemination... I am just astounded yet again about people. You
think it's important to produce a child with Bundy's genes? Geez. Even
forgetting the "nature" aspect of it, imagine the "nurture" aspect of being
raised by someone who went to this much trouble to have the baby of Ted
Bundy. (I guess, somewhere along the way, I was thinking she *loved* him,
and wanted to have sex with him, more than thinking she wanted so much to
produce a child via him...)

Where are the wife today (no book?)? Where is the child?

PattyC

"Feminism is the radical notion that women are people."
>


JonesieCat

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Jun 26, 2001, 5:21:00 AM6/26/01
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"GMSpider" <gmsp...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
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I forgot about the water cooler, but I do also recall they had sex in the
visiting room, as did (and still do) others folks in prisons and visiting
rooms everywhere. Apparently prisoners and families aid and abet one
another so that this can happen.

Not sure where "allowing" comes into it.

JC


JonesieCat

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Jun 26, 2001, 5:27:07 AM6/26/01
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"PattyC" <patty...@home.com> wrote in message
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Carol Boone also had a son from another relationship, who Bundy was close
to. At the very end, I believe Bundy personally told the son the truth
about what he'd done. They changed their names and moved away sometime
before Ted was executed as I recall. Generally the media has respected the
privacy of the child fathered by Ted. A decent thing in my view. Carol
Boone had been intro'd to Bundy before the Florida murders I think, and then
renewed her acquaintance with Ted down there. Hard to understand, but I
think she really did love the man. Neither she nor her children believed he
did it til he told them before he died. Nutty, but in the end she seemed
more normal than I'd thought... and has never sought publicity as far as I
know.

JonesieCat


Andrea Bostrom

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Jun 26, 2001, 7:45:49 AM6/26/01
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>.Tex Watson who was the main killer in the Manson
>murders fathered I believe 2 or 3 children while jailed.....I believe this is
>wrong but I`m more interested in those women who would marry and conceive
>children with someone who had done such things
>
>

Especially women who know the man is guilty of such extreme crimes. Evidently,
Carol Boone was convinced of Bundy's innocence until his 11th hour confession.
Watson's wife was fully aware of his "deeds". I've read that her children are
teased and harassed (naturally). Life is hard enough for children without
having "that" burden on their shoulders. And, what about women in general who
pursue infamous death row inmates, such as the
woman who married Richard Ramirez? Apparently he was so popular with the
ladies that they would line up at the jail at 5:00 a.m. hoping they'd be the
one who'd get to visit him that day. Even a juror who convicted him became one
of his groupies!
Is this the attraction of the "bad boy" to the extreme or what? lol

Andrea

Nancy Rudins

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Jun 26, 2001, 10:43:46 AM6/26/01
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I did a quick check at Ann Rule's web site. She says that
the women who loved Ted have kept very private lives.
Can't say I blame them.

Kind regards,
Nancy

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Walkzwdogs

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Jun 26, 2001, 12:36:33 PM6/26/01
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>Is this the attraction of the "bad boy" to the extreme or what? lol
>
>Andrea

LOL....yes for sure. Seems like there are a lot of "mentally disturbed" people
running around on the outside as well. Ha

Andrea Bostrom

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Jun 26, 2001, 12:50:06 PM6/26/01
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I wonder if men are attracted to notorious female killers? I don't recall
Velma Barfield having a stable of suitors --
what about Aileen Wonornos (sp) and others? I know Susan Atkins has had a
husband or two, but what about Leslie Van Houten and Patricia Krenwinkel? And
other infamous female killers?

Andrea

Insomniatrix

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Jun 26, 2001, 4:27:15 PM6/26/01
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Delwood wrote in message <3b37d35a...@news.usit.net>...

Delwood or H. Manning or whatever your name is... why not just lock 'em up
and throw away the key?

Miss Jo Anne CD

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Jun 26, 2001, 5:00:35 PM6/26/01
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>>>>I know Susan Atkins has had a
husband or two, but what about Leslie Van Houten and Patricia Krenwinkel? And
other infamous female killers?<<<

Patricia Krenwinkel has never married


asbest...@deja.com

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Jun 26, 2001, 6:24:53 PM6/26/01
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These men would be perfect husbands for women who want no physical
intimacy with a man who cannot run away.

Kinda nice knowing exactly where your man is.

Not to mention the martyr factor.. He's a wonderful person...

da boss

GMSpider

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Jun 26, 2001, 8:48:53 PM6/26/01
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>Carol Boone also had a son from another relationship, who Bundy was close
>to. At the very end, I believe Bundy personally told the son the truth
>about what he'd done. They changed their names and moved away sometime
>before Ted was executed as I recall. Generally the media has respected the
>privacy of the child fathered by Ted. A decent thing in my view. Carol
>Boone had been intro'd to Bundy before the Florida murders I think, and then
>renewed her acquaintance with Ted down there. Hard to understand, but I
>think she really did love the man. Neither she nor her children believed he
>did it til he told them before he died. Nutty, but in the end she seemed
>more normal than I'd thought... and has never sought publicity as far as I
>know.
>
>JonesieCat
>
>
>
>
>

That is exactly right. The son is now a minister.

mel

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Jun 26, 2001, 11:12:08 PM6/26/01
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Was a journalist covering the trial of Bundy. Got friendly with Carol. She
really did love him and believe in him til after convicted. soon after she
had the girl, she realized reading thru the evidence that he was guilty.
Moved to the West. Very nice woman.

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JonesieCat

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Jun 27, 2001, 4:17:48 AM6/27/01
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"GMSpider" <gmsp...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
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> >Carol Boone also had a son from another relationship, who Bundy was close
> >to. At the very end, I believe Bundy personally told the son the truth
> >about what he'd done. They changed their names and moved away sometime
> >before Ted was executed as I recall. Generally the media has respected
the
> >privacy of the child fathered by Ted. A decent thing in my view. Carol
> >Boone had been intro'd to Bundy before the Florida murders I think, and
then
> >renewed her acquaintance with Ted down there. Hard to understand, but I
> >think she really did love the man. Neither she nor her children believed
he
> >did it til he told them before he died. Nutty, but in the end she seemed
> >more normal than I'd thought... and has never sought publicity as far as
I
> >know.
> >
> >JonesieCat
> >
> >
>
> That is exactly right. The son is now a minister.

What age would he be now, GM? I can't even remember how long since Bundy
was executed.

JC

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JonesieCat

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Jun 27, 2001, 4:22:33 AM6/27/01
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Mel,

Thanks for this story of your acquaintance with Carol. Intriguing. How
long were you down there covering the case? I'm sure all here would love to
hear any stories you might have. What was the atmosphere like? Did you get
into the courtroom and set eyes on the man? What was your impression of
him? Can you tell us any more of what sort of woman Carol was in general?

JC

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Patty

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Jun 27, 2001, 4:40:44 AM6/27/01
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: > >Carol Boone also had a son from another relationship, who Bundy was close

: > >to. At the very end, I believe Bundy personally told the son the truth
: > >about what he'd done. They changed their names and moved away sometime
: > >before Ted was executed as I recall. Generally the media has respected
: the
: > >privacy of the child fathered by Ted. A decent thing in my view. Carol
: > >Boone had been intro'd to Bundy before the Florida murders I think, and
: then
: > >renewed her acquaintance with Ted down there. Hard to understand, but I
: > >think she really did love the man. Neither she nor her children believed
: he
: > >did it til he told them before he died. Nutty, but in the end she seemed
: > >more normal than I'd thought... and has never sought publicity as far as
: I
: > >know.
: > >
: > >JonesieCat
: > >
: > >
: >
: > That is exactly right. The son is now a minister.
:
: What age would he be now, GM? I can't even remember how long since Bundy
: was executed.
:
: JC
:
I believe he was executed around 1988. It was around this time that I changed my
mind from pro-death penalty to anti-death penalty. Haven't wavered since.

Patty


Vicki Cook

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Jun 27, 2001, 5:29:48 AM6/27/01
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Bundy was executed in Jan. of 1989
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> On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 00:13:17 GMT, Del...@hotmail.com (Delwood) wrote:
> >
> >Sigh.........Another coddle the criminal kook liberal who thinks that
> >criminals have more rights than the people they kill.
> >
> >Sad........
>
> And killing them brings us DOWN to their level.
>
> Sad........
> Enjoy your bloody hands.
> Julia
> --"That wasn't in the brochure."--Billy Crystal

Andrea Bostrom

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Jun 27, 2001, 6:10:32 AM6/27/01
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>These men would be perfect husbands for women who want no physical
>intimacy with a man who cannot run away.
>
>Kinda nice knowing exactly where your man is.
>

LOL --- never thought of it in those terms but right you could be!

Andrea

JonesieCat

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Jun 27, 2001, 8:14:02 AM6/27/01
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> Julia
> --"That wasn't in the brochure."--Billy Crystal

Julia, are you the person who posted about the drowning death of your child?
If you are, I did write a response but it may not have gotten posted,
because that's just when my server went down. Anyway, if it was you, I
wanted to offer my condolences, sympathy and my thanks for your story.

JC, wishing she paid better attn to ng handles


JonesieCat

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Jun 27, 2001, 8:16:21 AM6/27/01
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"Patty" <la...@bug.com> wrote in message
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And I think the boy was around 12 - 14 maybe? Or 16 at the most? Now what a
life that young man's had.

Was made you anti-DP?

JC


JonesieCat

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Jun 27, 2001, 8:17:19 AM6/27/01
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"Vicki Cook" <vl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Thank you, Vicki. Did you follow the case closely?

JonesieCat


GMSpider

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Jun 27, 2001, 6:49:36 PM6/27/01
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>What age would he be now, GM? I can't even remember how long since Bundy
>was executed.
>
>JC

He must be around 36..

Bundy was executed in 1989, Carol's son was in his early 20s, as I recall.

GMSpider

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Jun 27, 2001, 6:51:42 PM6/27/01
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The son was 14 at the time of the trial. Bundy was executed Jan 24, 1989, the
son was 22.

JonesieCat

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Jun 27, 2001, 9:02:01 PM6/27/01
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"GMSpider" <gmsp...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
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That's what I couldn't get right - the lapse of time between the trial and
the execution. So this boy was an adult by the time of TB's death.

I wonder how they explained things to his little sister.

Thx, GM.

JC


The Man From Mars

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Jun 28, 2001, 1:18:56 AM6/28/01
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>The son was 14 at the time of the trial. Bundy was executed Jan 24, 1989,
the
>son was 22.

The Chi-Omega Florida trial was in '79 so that would make Jamey Boone 23 or
24 in '89.


Vicki Cook

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Jun 28, 2001, 1:43:37 AM6/28/01
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I sure did, been re-reading lately, absoluetly fascinating
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Patty

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Jun 28, 2001, 2:35:24 AM6/28/01
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: > >"Patty" <la...@bug.com> wrote in message
:
Early 1989, that sounds right. Prior to his execution, there were numerous
news shows on the death penalty and various methods of execution.
I have a friend who is Catholic and anti-DP and anti-abortion, at least he's
consistent. We would argue over and over about the DP, I wouldn't budge
I was for it. Something happened when I was watching these shows on
the methods of execution, I couldn't see turning society into another murderer,
I couldn't myself perform or watch any type of execution because it was
murder, just can't see it any other way.

Now today when my friend and I discuss the DP, he says "Oh I'm against
it, but I never said I was against cruel and unusual punishment."

Patty

GMSpider

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Jun 28, 2001, 10:19:50 PM6/28/01
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Whatever, close enough for government work. :) Not going to argue a couple of
years.

JonesieCat

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Jun 29, 2001, 2:46:45 AM6/29/01
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-----snip------

RE Ted Bundy. Vicki and JC said:

> > Thank you, Vicki. Did you follow the case closely?
> >
> > JonesieCat

"Vicki Cook" <vl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I sure did, been re-reading lately, absoluetly fascinating

------
I go back every so often and re-read all my Bundy books. Not sure why.
Maybe because he not only did such terrible things, but also because it was
more info than I'd ever been able to access before, so much info published
about him and available to all of us. More than on any other killers that
came before him, seems to me.

Why do you re-read?

JC
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JonesieCat

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Jun 29, 2001, 2:55:42 AM6/29/01
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"Patty" <la...@bug.com> wrote in message
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You know, I was travelling someplace or other when there seemed to be a
flurry of 'Ted' shows, interviews, news reports etc. I remember feeling
terribly displaced for some reason, watching from where ever I was at the
time. The other thing I remember clearly around that time was one interview
with Bundy (nor sure if aired before the execution or not) from which I got
a real sense of his fear at being put to death. This would have been around
when he was trying to bargain, saying he might reveal even more bodies than
anyone knew, if he could live a bit longer, tho I didn't know that. He was
sweating and trying to be ingratiating. This may have been the one where he
tried to blame his crimes on pornography, snuff pics and so forth.

Interesting how you wound up being anti-dp, and all that probably made me
more pro dp. I'm less certain now tho, in some cases.

JC


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