14 y.o.boy shoots to death Daddy who systematically beat & starved him,is charged w/murder as adult,plea bargains guilty,faces 50 yrs in prison,in MT
Joe1orbit
Thgis news item is a FEW days old, but still very worthy of being posted, as
it serves to confirm and validate my already established brilliant insight on
how your diseased society has a PERVERSE double standard with regard to how it
treats SLAVES who kill their slaveowners, vis-a-vis slaveowners who kill their
slaves.
Over in Montana, a 14 year old CHILD, a brutalized and victimized child named
Terry Olson shot his 43 year old Daddy/slaveowner to death in May. He was
immediately charged with FIRST degree murder, as an ADULT. An investigation by
police, coupled with the statements of slave Terry, has POSITIVELY determined
that Daddy Edwin ABUSED this boy, physically ASSAULTING and STARVING him on a
regular basis. Prosecutors ADMIT that this abuse did occur, but the ONLY
concession they were willing to give slave Terry, from a legal standpoint, was
to reduce the first degree murder charge to a "mitigated murder" charge. This
slight reduction will still carry a possible FIFTY YEAR prison sentence!
It is just so PERVERSELY unjust, the way your diseased society gives itself
permission to PUNITIVELY punish a 14 year old CHILD, subjected to PHYSICAL
ASSAULT and STARVATION at the hands of his biological creator/legal owner, when
the brutalized slave simply STANDS UP for himself and RETALIATES against his
tormentor! Those of you who are RATIONAL and seek TRUTH in life, consider the
following hypothetical scenario: A man is 85 years old. He can no longer care
for himself. He has no money and no job. His SON takes the 85 year old man into
his home. The son then proceeds to physically assault his 85 year old father
regularly, physically BEATING him. The son also starves his father, refusing to
give him food as the 85 year old man begs for the food. After many YEARS of
ongoing beating and food deprivation, the 85 year old Daddy manages to get
ahold of his son's gun, and shoots him to death.
Is there ANY possible chance that this 85 year old man would be charged with
murder, be it first degree, second degree, or ANY other type of murder charge??
NO! There is NO CHANCE of that occuring, if police and prosecutors ACCEPT the
fact that the incapacitated 85 year old WAS regularly beaten and starved by his
son. This 85 year old man would be treated as being a VICTIM of his EVIL son.
And yet, in THIS case, with the EXACT same details of abuse, the 14 year old
SLAVE who dared to stand up to his brutalizing OWNER, is treated as being an
"evil criminal", IS charged with murder, and DESPITE prosecutors ADMITTING that
YES, this child was systematically beaten and starved, he still had NO RIGHT to
stand up to his slaveowner with violence of his own. The HYPOCRISY and double
standard is BLINDINGLY clear and obvious and undeniable, for any rational
thinker.
Sentencing will occur next month, since our 14 year old slave decided to
plead GUILTY to this "mitigated murder" charge. The judge can impose up to a 50
year sentence, and I BET that whatever leniency the judge might show will be
very limited. I would be VERY surprised if he imposes less than a 15 year
sentence, and it's very possible that DESPITE the admitted torture and
starvation that this CHILD was subjected to, he could receive a punitive
punishment of FIFTY years of being locked in a cage by YOUR pathetic society.
The society that CREATED this child, ENSLAVED him at birth to a torturing man,
without imposing any type of Parental Competency test upon him, simply because
his SPERM cell managed to fertilize a female's egg.
I think slave Terry's lawyer really did him a disservice, by pursuading him
to plead guilty to this lesser murder charge. It was PROBABLY part of a plea
bargain deal, in which prosecutors said: "You either plead guilty to mitigated
murder, or else we will ASK for a FIRST degree murder conviction at trial,
DESPITE the fact that we ADMIT that your client WAS beaten and starved by the
Daddy that he killed at age 14." Still, Terry should have gone to trial. 50
years in the slammer is a HELL of a long time, and there is NO reason to assume
that the judge will be lenient in his sentencing.
Okay, that's about it for me today. Like I said, I'm very busy with other
activities and projects today. Might not be able to sign back online even,
until tomorrow morning. So if any major news breaks, you folks are on your own.
Take care, JOE
The following appears courtesy of the 12/15/98 Reuters news wire:
Teen Admits Killing
12/15/98
Reuters
(KALISPELL) -- A Flathead County teenager has admitted killing his father.
Fifteen-year-old Terry Olson pleaded guilty to mitigated murder yesterday in
Flathead County District Court. Olson told the court his father beat him
regularly and would not give him food. Prosecutors agreed to the lesser charge
because of the abuse. Edwin Olson was killed in May. Terry Olson was 14 at the
time of the shooting. He will be sentenced in January and faces up to 50 years
in prison. Terry Olson is a cousin of Ted and Jesse Ernst, the Bigfork brothers
who pleaded guilty last week in the Christmas 1997 murder of businessman Larry
Streeter.
-----------------------------------------------------------
The following appears courtesy of the 12/15/98 online edition of The
Missoulian newspaper:
Teen says he killed to stop father's abuse
By MICHAEL JAMISON of the Missoulian
Tuesday - 12/15/98
KALISPELL - A Bigfork-area teen-ager has admitted killing his father, claiming
ongoing abuse drove him to the desperate act.
"I shot my dad," Terry Olson told District Judge Kitty Curtis on Monday.
Olson, 15, pleaded guilty Monday to one count of mitigated deliberate homicide
for the May 20 shooting of his father, Edwin "John" Olson. The guilty plea came
one week after a scheduled trial was postponed.
During the intervening week, prosecutors and defenders met, working out a deal
in which Olson would plead guilty in return for a lesser charge. Terry Olson
originally was charged with deliberate homicide, which carries a maximum
penalty of more than 100 years.
Olson could face as much as 40 years for mitigated deliberate homicide, with an
additional 10 years for the use of a gun in the crime, said Flathead County
Attorney Tom Esch. Sentencing is set for Jan. 21.
Esch said claims made by Olson of abuse by his father constituted mitigating
circumstances, especially in light of the teen's age. Olson was 14 when the
shooting occurred, but is being treated by the court as an adult.
Olson told Curtis on Monday that his father beat him, citing 20 spanks each day
with a leather belt because of an unacceptable report card. He also said there
was not enough food in the house, and that his father refused to give him money
for school lunch.
Olson said he begged money from friends until he finally convinced his father
to sign a form authorizing free or reduced-price lunches. Meanwhile, the
defense said, John Olson's savings account showed a balance of more than
$20,000.
When asked if he thought the shooting would be a way to get even with his
father, the boy answered, "Yes."
Olson gave the same answer when asked if he thought the abuse would stop with
the shooting.
"The mitigating factors which he claims would be hard to refute," Esch said.
"But remember, it's just mitigation; it's not justification."
According to Esch, an independent psychological evaluation of the teen
supported his claims of abuse, and interviews with an older brother
substantiated a pattern of stern parenting.
Olson is the cousin of Ted and Jesse Ernst, the Bigfork brothers who pleaded
guilty Dec. 10 to the Christmas night slaying of businessman Larry Streeter.
Two days after the brothers were arrested for that murder, Olson shot his
father, who is a brother to Ted and Jesse's mother. The crimes were unrelated,
despite the family connections.
According to authorities, the teen shot his father once in the head with a
.22-caliber pistol the morning of May 20. The youth later was seen by Bigfork
Junior High School staff as he drove away from school grounds with another
juvenile. Neither boy was old enough to drive.
School officials reported the truancy, and Kalispell police caught the boys at
a local mall. The murder weapon was found in the vehicle.
According to police, Olson admitted the shooting during a subsequent interview,
telling authorities what to expect when they went to his home. Officers
reported that when police said they were going to call his father, the boy
responded, "He won't answer. He's dead."
Olson had been held on $100,000 bond pending his trial.
-----------------------------------------------------------
The following appears courtesy of the 5/20/98 online edition of The
Missoulian newspaper:
Bigfork youth accused of killing father
By MICHAEL JAMISON/of the Missoulian
BIGFORK - The youngest son of a man found shot to death in his home Wednesday
morning has been arrested in the killing.
Edwin John Olson, 43, apparently was shot to death in his bedroom. His body was
discovered about 10:30 a.m. by authorities.
Terry Olson, 14, will be charged as an adult on one count of deliberate
homicide, according to Flathead County prosecutors. The boy is scheduled to
make an initial appearance in Flathead County Justice Court on Thursday.
He is the cousin of Ted and Jesse Ernst, who were arrested Monday and charged
in the Christmas night killing of Larry Streeter.
Despite the family ties, there is no known connection between Wednesday's
murder and the Streeter slaying, Flathead County Undersheriff Chuck Curry said
Wednesday.
According to police, officials at Bigfork Junior High School reported Terry
Olson and another juvenile leaving the school without permission at about 8:15
Wednesday. The youths, too young to drive, were seen leaving in a black Nissan
pickup truck.
Kalispell police later spotted the boys at the Kalispell Center Mall and
detained them for questioning. The youth traveling with Terry Olson was later
released.
During the interview with Terry Olson, police learned that a murder may have
been committed at the Olson residence, about five miles southeast of Bigfork.
Sheriff's deputies later found the body of Edwin John Olson at his home along
Highway 209. He apparently died from a single gunshot wound to the head, said
Flathead County Sheriff Jim Dupont.
Olson is the brother of Debby Ernst, who is the mother of Ted and Jesse Ernst.
She and her husband, Ed, appeared at the crime scene late Wednesday morning,
and were visibly shaken as they stood outside the rural home and talked with
deputies.
Authorities offered no possible motive for the murder. However, neighbors said
Olson - a single father - reportedly was having problems with his two boys. The
other son is not implicated in the crime.
''I just saw Terry and his dad out splitting wood together yesterday,'' said
neighbor Dennis Kelleher. ''With all the surprises this week in the Streeter
case, this is going to have a devastating effect on our community.
''The one bright spot is that the sheriff's department has done a tremendous
job. It's a comfort to us to know that local law enforcement is so
professional. We're glad to know they're there for us.''
County Attorney Tom Esch also had high praise for investigators, saying the
smooth collaboration between Kalispell police and Flathead County deputies
helped piece together the case within a matter of a couple hours.
Dupont believes the shooting occurred early Wednesday, before Terry Olson left
for school.
Several guns were found in the home, he said, but deputies have yet to identify
a murder weapon. The investigation was helped, Dupont said, by the presence of
Dr. Gary Dale of the state Crime Lab in Missoula. Dale was in Kalispell on
Wednesday to deliver a lecture, and went to the crime scene to offer his
assistance.
Olson's body will be taken Thursday to Missoula, where Crime Lab personnel will
perform an autopsy.
EGlas35107
brutality, daddy would've only been charged with endagering a minor or
something silly like that.
What a travesty!
Aviva
Joe1orbit
>And yet, the irony is that if daddy had killed his boy with starvation and
>brutality, daddy would've only been charged with endagering a minor or
>something silly like that.
Hello Aviva,
That is 100% correct. It is MORE than just ironic, it is PROOF of the overt
malice and malevolent double standard that your society has chosen to adopt,
with refard to how it treats slaveowners, and how it treats slaves.
>What a travesty!
Yes indeed.
Take care, JOE
>Aviva
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Jimmy Smith
Joe1orbit wrote in message <19981220112301...@ng112.aol.com>...
If he is 85, I don't really think his son would have the opportunity to
abuse him for "many years". hahahahahaha you have got to be kidding
Joe1orbit
>>Hello,
>>
>> This news item is a FEW days old, but still very worthy of being posted,
"Jimmy Smith" <titani...@hotmail.com> Wrote:
>If he is 85, I don't really think his son would have the opportunity to
>abuse him for "many years".
Hello,
That's a very stupid comment, considering that we all know that male humans
have in the past lived to 110 years of age.
>hahahahahaha you have got to be kidding
No, I NEVER kid. Are you a newbie to this NG? If not, you would know that I
do not kid in my posts. Go to http://www.dejanews.com and read the 10,000 posts
I've made, over the past 27 months. Please don't waste my time with stupid
comments like the ones above, until you've done that. Thank you.
Take care, JOE
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CBofGDALE
this. But then Montana is a red-neck state. If there are any people from
Montana reading this maybe they should E-mail or write their state
representative or governor.
Megabite
>
> No, I NEVER kid. Are you a newbie to this NG? If not, you would know that I
> do not kid in my posts. Go to http://www.dejanews.com and read the 10,000 posts
> I've made, over the past 27 months. Please don't waste my time with stupid
> comments like the ones above, until you've done that. Thank you.
>
> Take care, JOE
>
Yeah, then print them out..they make excellent crap paper. hahah
Best wishes,
MEGABITE
Delilah
tv and phone access. What would be the point?
A 14 year old boy, abused does not achieve any consolance after papa is
dead. He is on his own, either way. He knows he will get imprisoned, why
doesnt he leave? On his own. Do they not have childrens shelters in the
States? Are there no kids help phone, no one to report his abuse to? I do
not know what kind of country the great states are if you cannot report
child abuse. In Canada, the father would have been imprisoned long ago.
Jimmy Smith wrote in message ...
Joe1orbit
>Of course the 85 year old would not enjoy prison time, 3 meals a day, color
>tv and phone access.
Hello,
Your above sentence makes no rational sense. I gave you a brilliant parallel
of Truth. You respond with a totally nonsensical sentence. It makes no sense.
We all know that neither the 85 year old nor the 14 year old would "enjoy
prison time".
>What would be the point?
I think my below post makes all the points that I felt needed to be made.
>A 14 year old boy, abused does not achieve any consolance after papa is
>dead.
How stupid of you to try and decree what internal, True Reality achievements
14 year old boys who slaughter their Daddies, achieve.
> He is on his own, either way.
No. In killing his daddy, he forever transcends his own brutalization, in the
best case scenario.
>He knows he will get imprisoned, why
>doesnt he leave? On his own.
What a pathetically uninsightful question. If I actually thought you CARED
about the Truth and wanted an answer, I would spend 20 minutes explaining to
you why slaves do not leave their slaveowners. But no, you don't really want
the Truth, and you would reject it anyway, so I won't bother.
> Do they not have childrens shelters in the
>States?
No, they don't. They have CONCENTRATION CAMPS, designed to both brutalize the
runaway, and forcibly reunite him/her with their torturer.
>Are there no kids help phone, no one to report his >abuse to?
No insight. Very typical of the bigoted hypocrite. Just like most
ameriKKKan's blame Saddam Hessein for "bringing genocide upon his own people".
TWISTED thinking like that, is a hallmark of you humans. The AUDACITY and
HYPOCRISY of you suggesting that this 14 year old slave should have telephoned
for help, or gone to a children's shelter, instead of slaughtering his
torturing slaveowner, is INCREDIBLE to me, but I do recognize that the vast
majority of brainwashed citizen-slaves would agree with you.
> I do
>not know what kind of country the great states are if you cannot report
>child abuse. In Canada, the father would have been >imprisoned long ago.
There is no point in giving you Truth. It would be a waste of time. Your last
sentence above, a LIE to it's very core, proves this. In many ways, you ARE
worse than an actual physical child abuser. Because your lie-based and BIGOTED
mindset, loyally parotting the party line of your society, is what helps to
allow your society to practice legal child genocide, in EVERY nation of the
world.
Take care, JOE
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Delilah
Joe1orbit wrote in message <19981221181852...@ng07.aol.com>...
>"Delilah" <DON'TSPAMd...@asarian-host.org> Wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>We all know that neither the 85 year old nor the 14 year old would "enjoy
>prison time".
>
Better than starving, and being beaten aint it?
A 14 year old boy, abused does not achieve any consolance after papa is
dead.
> How stupid of you to try and decree what internal, True Reality
achievements
>14 year old boys who slaughter their Daddies, achieve. No. In killing his
daddy, he forever transcends his own brutalization, in the
>best case scenario.
>
Did you kill your own papa or did you just cut off all ties with them, not
much transgression there, eh?
He knows he will get imprisoned, why
doesnt he leave? On his own.
>
> What a pathetically uninsightful question. If I actually thought you
CARED
>about the Truth and wanted an answer, I would spend 20 minutes explaining
to
>you why slaves do not leave their slaveowners. But no, you don't really
want
>the Truth, and you would reject it anyway, so I won't bother.
From coming from a battered woman who spent 13 years in a cell with her
husband, I KNOW why they dont leave. Dont you dare tell me I dont know why,
or that I am stupid. You purposely get off on pissing people off, because
you are spiteful, bitter and vengeful. I reply to the post, not to you. Or
your shallow, hateful responses. You like anyone who agrees with you. WEll
I dont. I left the marriage, I didnt shoot him. Sometimes, I want to go
back because I miss the abuse. But I wont. You need help, my friend. And
even though I would rather die than meet up with someone like you, I wish
you to get help because you ve got BAD ATTITUDE BOY!!! Could you be a black
man, with a bad attitude. Is this why you relate to the word SLAVE, and
AmeriKKKan society? Grow up.
Barbrien
From: "Delilah" <DON'TSPAMd...@asarian-host.org>
Of course the 85 year old would not enjoy prison time, 3 meals a day, color
tv and phone access. What would be the point?
A 14 year old boy, abused does not achieve any consolance after papa is
dead. He is on his own, either way. He knows he will get imprisoned, why
doesnt he leave?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>For some very similar reasons that women do not leave their
abusive husbands. , inability to survive on their own, fear of the abuser
coming after them, ( police protection being what it is) , and worst of all,
the feeling that they are worthless which years of abuse has drummed into their
heads.
Why do you think a woman who escapes abuse from one man, turns around and gets
involved in another abusive situation. She often has no sense that she deserves
anything else.
Barbara
Fear of fairy dust leads to dourness, meanness, paranoia,
and the early onset of pomposity
WWWoLadyA
>Sometimes, I want to go
>back because I miss the abuse.
Normally, I would take a grim view of anyone who offered this remark about a
battered woman, because I think it implies that she enjoyed the abuse, and that
this, in some way, explains why she may have stayed for a time.
But since you are the one formerly battered, I wondered if you might explain
what you were thinking when you said this.
Lady A
Delilah
Thanks,
Michelle, "Delilah"
Barbrien wrote in message <19981221195921...@ng42.aol.com>...
Barbrien
him,is charged w/murder as adult,plea
From: "Delilah" <DON'TSPAMd...@asarian-host.org>
Date: Mon, Dec 21, 1998 10:54 PM
Message-id: <3SDf2.4353$AN1....@news.rdc1.on.wave.home.com>
Barbra, I suggest you read my post to WWWoLady.
Thanks,
Michelle, "Delilah"
******
Be glad to , can you email it to me?
Barbara
Joe1orbit
>> Hello,
>>
>>We all know that neither the 85 year old nor the 14 year old would "enjoy
>>prison time".
"Delilah" <DON'TSPAMd...@asarian-host.org> Wrote:
>Better than starving, and being beaten aint it?
Hello,
No. Being starved and beaten at age 14 means that the slave can have a
reasonable expectation of being allowed to achieve independence by age 18, if
he can find a job. Therefore being in jail, which can be for many years of a
Lifetime if you slaughter your Daddy, is not "better".
>A 14 year old boy, abused does not achieve any consolance after papa is
>dead.
>> How stupid of you to try and decree what internal, True Reality
>achievements
>>14 year old boys who slaughter their Daddies, achieve. No. In killing his
>daddy, he forever transcends his own brutalization, in the
>>best case scenario.
>Did you kill your own papa or did you just cut off all ties with them, not
>much transgression there, eh?
I just cut off all ties. And you are correct, this did not provide a proper
degree of transcendation, as killing him would have.
>He knows he will get imprisoned, why
>doesnt he leave? On his own.
>> What a pathetically uninsightful question. If I actually thought you
>CARED
>>about the Truth and wanted an answer, I would spend 20 minutes explaining
>to
>>you why slaves do not leave their slaveowners. But no, you don't really
>want
>>the Truth, and you would reject it anyway, so I won't >>bother.
>From coming from a battered woman who spent 13 years in a cell with her
>husband, I KNOW why they dont leave.
You know very little. Period. And what you do know is shallow societally fed
lies and myths. You didn't leave because you HATED YOURSELF. Killers LOVE
THEMSELVES, and hate others. The killer is SUPERIOR. He is more rational, he is
less enslaved, less brainwashed, and just generally superior.
> Dont you dare tell me I dont know why,
>or that I am stupid.
I'll tell you the Truth, TROLL.If you don't like the truth, stop reading my
posts.
>You purposely get off on pissing people off, because
>you are spiteful, bitter and vengeful.
Poor baby, the truth is just so UNBEARABLE for you. Ever since your very
FIRST post to this NG, you have been fighting against the Truth, defending your
diseased society. Pathetic. Even NOW, you still HATE YOURSELF, just as society
TAUGHT you to do. You hate the fact that I LOVE myself. I am the enemy to you,
because I see the glorious Truth, because I have broken free of the lies and
myths and hypocrisy and self-hatred to which you remain addicted.
> I reply to the post, not to you. Or
>your shallow, hateful responses.
No, you reply to me, troll. You want me to leave you alone? Here's what to
do: Make your OWN posts, at your OWN threads, and don't invoke my name. But
that's not what you will do. Oh no. You CRAVE replies from me, in classic troll
fashion.
> You like anyone who agrees with you. WEll
>I dont. I left the marriage, I didnt shoot him.
I don't care what you do in life. But believe me, as long as you post
inferior and bigoted replies to MY posts, at MY threads, you will get replies
from me, replies that are honest, truthful, and accurate.
>Sometimes, I want to go
>back because I miss the abuse.
Of course you do, Inferior.
> But I wont. You need help, my friend.
You're about the 200th person to tell me that I need help, since I started
posting. You know how much value I placed on this advice that the first 199
inferior humans gave me? ZIP. And you think your advice will be deemed as being
worth more than zip?? Not in this lifetime.
> And
>even though I would rather die than meet up with someone like you, I wish
>you to get help because you ve got BAD ATTITUDE >BOY!!!
I don't give a flying fu*k what you wish for.
>Could you be a black
>man, with a bad attitude.
I don't discuss any of my physical characteristics.
> Is this why you relate to the word SLAVE, and
>AmeriKKKan society?
I'm satisfied with having my posts speak for themselves. I find you too
inferior to be worthy of a reply to the above question.
> Grow up.
I'm as grown up as I'll ever be.
Take care, JOE
Delilah
Joe1orbit wrote in message <19981221222514...@ng-fp1.aol.com>...
>Joe1orbit wrote in message <19981221181852...@ng07.aol.com>...
>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>We all know that neither the 85 year old nor the 14 year old would
"enjoy
>>>prison time".
>
>"Delilah" <DON'TSPAMd...@asarian-host.org> Wrote:
>
>>Better than starving, and being beaten aint it?
>
> Hello,
>
> No. Being starved and beaten at age 14 means that the slave can have a
>reasonable expectation of being allowed to achieve independence by age 18,
if
>he can find a job. Therefore being in jail, which can be for many years of
a
>Lifetime if you slaughter your Daddy, is not "better".
You are contradicting your own arguement. First you say he is SUPERIOR
because he killed pops. Then you say that he should stick with pops till
he's 18, and get a job. Being in jail doesnt give him that chance. You
dont make much sense here, but then again the only time you do is when you
agree with me
A14 year old boy, abused does not achieve any consolance after papa is
dead.
>>> How stupid of you to try and decree what internal, True Reality
>>achievements
>>>14 year old boys who slaughter their Daddies, achieve. No. In killing
his
>>daddy, he forever transcends his own brutalization, in the
>>>best case scenario.
We would all love to kill pops. But, the abuse child rose above, went
beyond what we would love to do, and did it. But now, because of the law,
he will have to live out the rest of his life looking through bars instead
of enjoying his freedom. However, you fail to recognize that no matter how
bad pops is, the boy loves pops. Because somewhere in the aching truth,
pops made a smile, patted his head, flipped a coin, gave him some candy.
Pops was sick and didnt forgive so the boy pays the price and the circle
goes on. The boy stops the circle, but has to deal with the True Reality
that he couldnt make pop love him. He will start hating himself now.
>>Did you kill your own papa or did you just cut off all ties with them, not
>>much transgression there, eh?
>
> I just cut off all ties. And you are correct, this did not provide a
proper
>degree of transcendation, as killing him would have.
You make sense here because you agreed, however you only agreed with my
sarcasm. The truth is you will never like yourself, because whatever
separation you have created, though it may be healthier for you in some
respects you will still have to accept the truth that you were not loved.
Looking at life through a veil with the attitude that you dont care if you
are loved, because you dont need anybody will catch up to you someday.
>If I actually thought you CARED about the Truth and wanted an answer, I
would spend 20 minutes explaining
>>to you why slaves do not leave their slaveowners. But no, you don't really
want
>>>the Truth, and you would reject it anyway, so I won't >>bother.
But you're wrong, I do care. That is why I troll you. I find you
frustrating, annoying, disturbing and interesting, and do care about why you
think the way you do. And you can curse me and cut me up all you want, I do
care. You are an angry person, and you did cut the ties, but you arent
going beyond the brutality, this is not healthy for you. People in masses
are stupid, but individuals are not. Give someone a chance. I am sure you
have found from your workplace, that there is more to a person, than their
feet!
From coming from a battered woman who spent 13 years in a cell with her
husband, I KNOW why they dont leave.
> You know very little. Period. And what you do know is shallow societally
fed
>lies and myths. You didn't leave because you HATED YOURSELF. Killers LOVE
>THEMSELVES, and hate others. The killer is SUPERIOR. He is more rational,
he is
>less enslaved, less brainwashed, and just generally superior.
Yes, I understand this. He is lashing out rather than in. But there are
laws to protect, and rightly so. The father that the boy killed, what an
abused child too. Just passing along what he knew best. You are now saying
that a criminal such as a father deserved to die?
Dont you dare tell me I dont know why,
or that I am stupid.
>
> I'll tell you the Truth, TROLL.If you don't like the truth, stop reading
my
>posts.
Your opinion.
You purposely get off on pissing people off, because
you are spiteful, bitter and vengeful.
>
> Poor baby, the truth is just so UNBEARABLE for you. Ever since your very
>FIRST post to this NG, you have been fighting against the Truth, defending
your
>diseased society. Pathetic. Even NOW, you still HATE YOURSELF, just as
society
>TAUGHT you to do. You hate the fact that I LOVE myself. I am the enemy to
you,
>because I see the glorious Truth, because I have broken free of the lies
and
>myths and hypocrisy and self-hatred to which you remain addicted.
Yikes!!
>> I reply to the post, not to you. Or
>>your shallow, hateful responses.
>
> No, you reply to me, troll. You want me to leave you alone? Here's what
to
>do: Make your OWN posts, at your OWN threads, and don't invoke my name. But
>that's not what you will do. Oh no. You CRAVE replies from me, in classic
troll
>fashion.
Crave? Maybe, I like venting my hatred on hateful people.
> You like anyone who agrees with you. WEll
>>I dont. I left the marriage, I didnt shoot him.
>
> I don't care what you do in life. But believe me, as long as you post
>inferior and bigoted replies to MY posts, at MY threads, you will get
replies
>from me, replies that are honest, truthful, and accurate.
>
>>Sometimes, I want to go
>>back because I miss the abuse.
>
> Of course you do, Inferior.
>
>> But I wont. You need help, my friend.
>
> You're about the 200th person to tell me that I need help, since I
started
>posting. You know how much value I placed on this advice that the first 199
>inferior humans gave me? ZIP. And you think your advice will be deemed as
being
>worth more than zip?? Not in this lifetime.
>
>> And
>>even though I would rather die than meet up with someone like you, I wish
>>you to get help because you ve got BAD ATTITUDE >BOY!!!
>
> I don't give a flying fu*k what you wish for.
I like the flying fu*k, its a great expression of thoughtful feelings. BTW
, you posted that you received a GED, so did I two years ago. Didnt do me
any good. STill doing a 9-5er. I didnt know they had GED's in the STates.
Dont get scared now, you dont have to be nice to me.
I know: Joe responds: I dont want to be nice to you, I am only stating
that you ARE STUPID and......well, you know the rest....
DedNdogYrs
tv and phone access. What would be the point?>>
Prisoners can only call people collect and they can't choose what to watch on
TV. Jail and prison are not fun.
Dogs & children first.
Joe1orbit
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>>We all know that neither the 85 year old nor the 14 year old would
>"enjoy
>>>>prison time".
"Delilah" <DON'TSPAMd...@asarian-host.org> Wrote:
>>
>>>Better than starving, and being beaten aint it?
Joe1...@aol.com Wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> No. Being starved and beaten at age 14 means that the slave can have a
>>reasonable expectation of being allowed to achieve independence by age 18,
>if
>>he can find a job. Therefore being in jail, which can be for many years of
>a
>>Lifetime if you slaughter your Daddy, is not "better".
"Delilah" <DON'TSPAMd...@asarian-host.org> Wrote:
>You are contradicting your own arguement.
Hello,
No, I'm not.
> First you say he is SUPERIOR
>because he killed pops.
He is superior for having killed pops. Your society DESPISES superior humans
however, and thus will treat him as a demonized predator, inflicting further
injustice upon him, via punitive punishment.
>Then you say that he should stick with pops till
>he's 18, and get a job.
I don't say anything of the kind, Troll. I respect the life choices of all
humans. You have a reading comprehension problem, among your other
inferiorities.
> Being in jail doesnt give him that chance. You
>dont make much sense here, but then again the only time you do is when you
>agree with me
I'm perfectly satisfied that all of my posts make complete sense.
>A14 year old boy, abused does not achieve any consolance after papa is
>dead.
>>>> How stupid of you to try and decree what internal, True Reality
>>>achievements
>>>>14 year old boys who slaughter their Daddies, achieve. No. In killing
>his
>>>daddy, he forever transcends his own brutalization, in the
>>>>best case scenario.
>We would all love to kill pops. But, the abuse child rose above, went
>beyond what we would love to do, and did it.
The above two sentences are incomprehensible, not to mention the first one
being blatantly false.
> But now, because of the law,
>he will have to live out the rest of his life looking through bars instead
>of enjoying his freedom. However, you fail to recognize that no matter how
>bad pops is, the boy loves pops.
Your last sentence above is simply 100% false. You are so delusional that you
can't understand what the emotions of love and hate are.
>Because somewhere in the aching truth,
>pops made a smile, patted his head, flipped a coin, gave him some candy.
>Pops was sick and didnt forgive so the boy pays the price and the circle
>goes on. The boy stops the circle, but has to deal with the True Reality
>that he couldnt make pop love him. He will start hating >himself now.
Just because YOU fell into mentally ill self-hatred does not mean that other,
more Superior humans, are doomed to follow your inferior path.
>>>Did you kill your own papa or did you just cut off all ties with them, not
>>>much transgression there, eh?
>> I just cut off all ties. And you are correct, this did not provide a
>proper
>>degree of transcendation, as killing him would have.
>You make sense here because you agreed, however you only agreed with my
>sarcasm.
I don't care what a delusional and mentally ill self-hater thinks of me and
my level of "sense".
> The truth is you will never like yourself, because whatever
>separation you have created, though it may be healthier for you in some
>respects you will still have to accept the truth that you >were not loved.
I love myself with a passion, intensity, and purity that would BOGGLE your
mind, if you could ever feel or comprehend it, for even a few seconds.
>Looking at life through a veil with the attitude that you dont care if you
>are loved, because you dont need anybody will catch >up to you someday.
No, TRUTH always nurtures a superior human like myself. Truth never betrays a
person, the way lies, myths, and false rationalizations do.
>>If I actually thought you CARED about the Truth and wanted an answer, I
>would spend 20 minutes explaining
>>>to you why slaves do not leave their slaveowners. But no, you don't really
>want
>>>>the Truth, and you would reject it anyway, so I won't >>bother.
>But you're wrong, I do care.
No, you don't.
> That is why I troll you.
You troll me becauyse you are UPSET and DISTURBED by the UNACCEPTABLE TRuths
that I express in my posts. They are unacceptable and personally threatening to
your chosen life pathas well as mental delusions.
> I find you
>frustrating, annoying, disturbing and interesting, and do care about why you
>think the way you do.
Whatever.
>And you can curse me and cut me up all you want, I do
>care.
I will continue to tell you the truth, unless you get TOO annoying or use up
too much of my time with REPETITIOUS troll commentary, at which point I might
permanently excommunicate you from my Usenet world.
>You are an angry person, and you did cut the ties, but you arent
>going beyond the brutality, this is not healthy for you.
Your opinion is meaningless and irrelevent to me.
>People in masses
>are stupid, but individuals are not. Give someone a >chance.
NO human on planet earth, no animal even, will ever be given the honor of
establishing a person acquaintanceship, much less a "friendship", with me.
NEVER. That is a solemn vow which will endure until my last breath.
> I am sure you
>have found from your workplace, that there is more to a person, than their
>feet!
See above.
>From coming from a battered woman who spent 13 years in a cell with her
>husband, I KNOW why they dont leave.
>> You know very little. Period. And what you do know is shallow societally
>fed
>>lies and myths. You didn't leave because you HATED YOURSELF. Killers LOVE
>>THEMSELVES, and hate others. The killer is SUPERIOR. He is more rational,
>he is
>>less enslaved, less brainwashed, and just generally >>superior.
>Yes, I understand this. He is lashing out rather than in. But there are
>laws to protect, and rightly so.
I SPIT upon your laws, and upon your society.
> The father that the boy killed, what an
>abused child too. Just passing along what he knew best. You are now saying
>that a criminal such as a father deserved to die?
STUPID human! No insight! Again: The fact that I am entitled to MURDER every
human being on planet earth is totally separate from the issue of whether those
human beings deserve to be murdered.
>Dont you dare tell me I dont know why,
>or that I am stupid.
>> I'll tell you the Truth, TROLL.If you don't like the truth, stop reading
>my
>>posts.
>Your opinion.
>You purposely get off on pissing people off, because
>you are spiteful, bitter and vengeful.
>> Poor baby, the truth is just so UNBEARABLE for you. Ever since your very
>>FIRST post to this NG, you have been fighting against the Truth, defending
>your
>>diseased society. Pathetic. Even NOW, you still HATE YOURSELF, just as
>society
>>TAUGHT you to do. You hate the fact that I LOVE myself. I am the enemy to
>you,
>>because I see the glorious Truth, because I have broken free of the lies
>and
>>myths and hypocrisy and self-hatred to which you >>remain addicted.
>Yikes!!
I know, the TRuth is unacceptable to you. So REJECT it, as you have for all
your life, and stop reading my posts so the Truth will stop "bothering" you.
>>> I reply to the post, not to you. Or
>>>your shallow, hateful responses.
>> No, you reply to me, troll. You want me to leave you alone? Here's what
>to
>>do: Make your OWN posts, at your OWN threads, and don't invoke my name. But
>>that's not what you will do. Oh no. You CRAVE replies from me, in classic
>troll
>>fashion.
>Crave? Maybe, I like venting my hatred on hateful >people.
Sooner or later I will get tired of you, Troll. Then you will be
excommunicated, and soon you will get tired of being totally ignored by me, and
you'll move on to something else in life.
>> You like anyone who agrees with you. WEll
>>>I dont. I left the marriage, I didnt shoot him.
>> I don't care what you do in life. But believe me, as long as you post
>>inferior and bigoted replies to MY posts, at MY threads, you will get
>replies
>>from me, replies that are honest, truthful, and accurate.
>>>Sometimes, I want to go
>>>back because I miss the abuse.
>> Of course you do, Inferior.
>>> But I wont. You need help, my friend.
>> You're about the 200th person to tell me that I need help, since I
>started
>>posting. You know how much value I placed on this advice that the first 199
>>inferior humans gave me? ZIP. And you think your advice will be deemed as
>being
>>worth more than zip?? Not in this lifetime.
>>> And
>>>even though I would rather die than meet up with someone like you, I wish
>>>you to get help because you ve got BAD ATTITUDE >BOY!!!
>> I don't give a flying fu*k what you wish for.
>I like the flying fu*k, its a great expression of thoughtful feelings. BTW
>, you posted that you received a GED, so did I two >years ago.
Good for you.
> Didnt do me
>any good.
Too bad. I got mine a few years after dropping out of high school.
> STill doing a 9-5er. I didnt know they had GED's in >the STates.
They do.
>Dont get scared now, you dont have to be nice to me.
I'm nice to ALL humans who show me proper respect.
>I know: Joe responds: I dont want to be nice to you, I am only stating
>that you ARE STUPID and......well, you know the >rest....
See above.
Take care, JOE
>
>
>
>
cli...@worldnet.att.net
(snip, snip)
>tormentor! Those of you who are RATIONAL and seek TRUTH in life, consider the
>following hypothetical scenario: A man is 85 years old. He can no longer care
>for himself. He has no money and no job. His SON takes the 85 year old man into
>his home. The son then proceeds to physically assault his 85 year old father
>regularly, physically BEATING him. The son also starves his father, refusing to
>give him food as the 85 year old man begs for the food.
> After many YEARS of>ongoing beating and food deprivation, the 85 year old Daddy manages to get
>ahold of his son's gun, and shoots him to death.
(snip,snip)
Hey Dummy,
How did the father manage to stay 85 years old after "YEARS of
ongoing beating and food deprivation"?
Wait a minute, I think I know.
Since this hypothetically happened in "Joe's World" you have the
power to make time stand still. Right?
Take hair, Clinkin (aka #6)
Barbrien
him,is charged w/murder as adult,plea
Date: Mon, Dec 21, 1998 9:33 PM
Message-id: <19981221203323...@ng31.aol.com>
del...@asarian-host.org wrote:
>Sometimes, I want to go
>back because I miss the abuse.
Normally, I would take a grim view of anyone who offered this remark about a
battered woman, because I think it implies that she enjoyed the abuse, and that
this, in some way, explains why she may have stayed for a time.
But since you are the one formerly battered, I wondered if you might explain
what you were thinking when you said this.
Lady A
I've been waiting for someone to answer this Lady A. but it does not seem that
anyone else will.
Some people think that *any* attention is better than none even when it hurts.
It's not really a matter of enjoying the abuse.
Sometimes it is just easier to stay with what is known and not face the anxiety
of trying to change and face the unknown.
It's also a matter of what you think you deserve. A person who has grown up
with abuse does not necessarily have a good grasp on who and what they really
are and what to expect from life. So they gravitate toward what seems to them
to be their level.
There is a good reason that women go from one abusive relationship to another.
Well, perhaps not good, but at least understandable.
If you are interested there is an excellent book , a really easy and fast read,
Harriet Lerner's Dance of Anger which speaks to the scenarios that are being
played out in abusive homes.
Barbara
Barbara
WWWoLadyA
>I've been waiting for someone to answer this Lady A. but it does not seem
>that
>anyone else will.
Actually Barbara, I received a thorough and gracious private e-mail response
from this poster.
She did, at one point, refer to this reply she sent me, but she did not give me
permission to post it.
Thank you for your insight and for the book referral.
Lady A
Barbrien
barb...@aol.com wrote:
Lady A
*****
Good, because it was a very good question and extremely difficult to answer
fully in public:)
Barbara-wondering if the responses were similar to mine but not wanting Lady A
to get sued:)
WWWoLadyA
>Good, because it was a very good question and extremely difficult to answer
>fully in public:)
>
>Barbara-wondering if the responses were similar to mine but not wanting Lady
>A
>to get sued:)
You be the judge.
del...@asarian-host.org (Delilah) has e-mailed her permission to post this
reply...
"Missing the abuse" applies to a throwback emotion. When you are used to
being treated poorly by someone you love, it is difficult to accept being
treated well. "Missing the abuse" conjures the memories of good times with
the abuser as well as what you were accustomed to, conditioned to accept.
When you are in a situation that brings on daily emotions of fear, remorse,
and dismay it disguises itself as being "exciting" However, when you
realize that you are looking at the past through rose colored glasses, you
can accept the abuse as being a "bad thing" and accept that you were in fact
not loved at all. Sometimes, this is hard to accept. I have made several
postings with respect to my abuse and to my experience with abused partners
(ironically 2 in a row that were both abused badly by their father as a
child). The first one took out his abusive childhood on me, the second (my
current husband) accepted it, and treats me like gold. He realized that
alcohol had a lot to do with it, and in his own words has learned to
"forgive and forget", and "not to punnish the rest of society for his own
personal bad experience". One way of dealing with his anger, was to
confront his father, and never allow himself to be treated poorly by him
again. Many abused people, are afraid to confront their abusers. If I must
see my ex husband, because of an access visit (which incidently he receives
supervised access to my two boys once a month), I am still afraid. But it
takes a lot of courage to get out of the situation, so I pat my back for
that only, not for staying in it for so long. Incidentally, if you care, I
was never abused as a child but rather over-induldged by a doting mom and
dad, which is why it was a frightful trap to be in.
Thanks for your inquiry
Take care, ("Delilah")