Woman jumps from Seattle Bridge
debby
off the bridge is beyond me. What is happening to our society???
Woman Jumps From Seattle Bridge
SEATTLE (AP) - A woman leaped off a 160-foot-high
bridge Tuesday after authorities closed a busy
interstate because passing motorists were yelling at
her to jump.
The 28-year-old woman, whose name was not
released, was rescued and taken to a hospital. There
was no immediate word on her condition.
The woman was on the southbound side of the
Interstate 5 bridge over the Ship Canal, near the
University of Washington.
The northbound lanes were closed because of what
Assistant Police Chief John Diaz called "a very
disturbing trend."
"We had motorists, truckers, people in a Metro bus,
screaming at her to jump," Diaz said.
Rush-hour traffic through Seattle was stalled for three
hours as police tried to negotiate with the woman. She
leaped at about 10 a.m., plunging into the canal.
"She kind of just cannonballed," said Holly Viola, who
was caught in the traffic jam. "She came up and she
was swinging her arms, trying to swim."
--
Laura Carlson
making the one hour delay turn into a 3 hour delay can really frustrate
people! I think it is purely selfish for someone to do something like that,
it's like all they want is attention. I am not trying to start a war, but
if someone has taken the time to go a bridge clearly they have thought it
through, and for the negoiator to talk to her for three hours and then she
STILL jumped? Why? Out of spite, to say "hah I will show you!" Oh well. She
jumped and she is still alive. Sorry
"debby" <sarg...@infi.net> wrote in message
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debby
When people do something like this, they are at the end of their rope. They are
obsessing about their fate, thinking about dying. Holding up traffic is the last
thing on her mind. Do you think that is why the public did this? They were
unhappy about being stuck in traffic? Where is their pity for a human being in
distress? Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
Laura Carlson
They are
> obsessing about their fate, thinking about dying. Holding up traffic is
the last
> thing on her mind. Do you think that is why the public did this? They were
> unhappy about being stuck in traffic? Where is their pity for a human
being in
> distress? Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
Debby- sorry to sound so insensitive but in the Seattle newsgroups people
are laughing and joking about it. No one cared that holding up traffic was
the last thing on her mind, but they felt that if she had the balls to go to
the bridge in the first place and even think about jumping she should have!
Like I said, I had to sit in traffic for another hour because of all this,
and I was pretty pissed. I am sure the people who were driving through that
area were also very frustrated because what could have been 10-20 min drive
to downtown Seattle turned into hours. I am sure the public was telling her
to jump because:
1) they didn't care, they just thought she was some nut
2) she was holding up traffic
3) police were there in a matter of minutes and it took her almost 4 hours
to do something!
i bet you this lady was on drugs that is how she happened along the ship
canal bridge
Jojoz
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I take great risk at posting this.... so oh well ....but I am SO glad I
don't live in, near or around Seattle if this is the amount of compassion
people have for a human being....
pitiful
Jojoz - happy in San Diego
~There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full ~
Kris Baker
Jojoz wrote in message ...
It's really sad that you feel it's a risk, in posting that. I
totally agree with you.
Frankly, I'm just surprised that there are no alternate
roads in Seattle. Just one road, going over one bridge,
with a beleaguered woman in distress. So everyone
had to stop and wait, and grumble. Frankly, most of
them were probably fascinated with it and won't admit
it.
Kris
WyrdWoman
>
> I take great risk at posting this.... so oh well ....but
> I am SO glad I don't live in, near or around Seattle
> if this is the amount of compassion people have for
> a human being....
Doesn't Seattle have one of the highest suicide rates in the US? Maybe
they're trying to stay #1 on the charts.
I agree with you, too. There's no excuse for those motorists' behavior,
no matter how screwed the traffic was.
Jojoz
news:TNXi7.12718$Dl7.148...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
Imagine the surprise of one of the grumbling motorists with no compassion if
they found out it was a loved one of their own ... or at least someone they
knew. I can't totally base my opinion of Seattle on one post (but what a
post eh?) ....and to say that the Seattle NG is laughing and joking about
it.... sheesh, makes some of the loons here look more normal ......guess
they have their own loons? or are loons only in Maine?? ...
I feel it's always a risk on a NG to post something like what I posted after
what was posted .....but I will post it.... gotta love a risk
sometimes....and if they don't like it..they can killfile me :) .... i've
never hestitated to use that button :D
I've never been to Seattle, so I don't know about the traffic and
roadways...but I guess I'll never be as selfish as to go up there and jump
off a bridge while I'm totally despondent and don't know what to do ....
those poor commuters.... I wouldn't want to ruin THEIR day .... now would I
?
Jojoz
~There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full ~ And
Seatlle has enough traffic problems
DedNdogYrs
live in, near or around Seattle if this is the amount of compassion people have
for a human being....>
I found it to be a noticeably unfriendly place when I was there.
Dogs & children first.
Dan Hartung
jojozsd@hotmail.[SPAMBLOC]com says...
> I take great risk at posting this.... so oh well ....but I am SO glad I
> don't live in, near or around Seattle if this is the amount of compassion
> people have for a human being....
That's ridiculous. Keep in mind that local newsgroups are often populated
by sarcastic young adults. They are not representative of the city as a
whole.
By comparison, a week ago some friends and I were driving down an
expressway on a Friday night trying to meet another couple in Chicago. We
got stuck in a gridlock traffic jam for about 20 minutes until we slid
past the accident scene, which was an SUV on its side (wheels spinning,
lights on) in the ditch. It looked pretty intact, but there were fire
trucks and police everywhere. We made a few jokes about SUV drivers and
rollovers (nothing really nasty, though). As it happened, the driver of
the SUV was an acquaintance of one of the lawyers my friend works for.
I think everybody has a natural schadenfreude reaction to things like
this, especially if it affects them negatively (like being stuck on a
bridge for 3 hours).
--
Dan Hartung * dan [at] dhartung [dot] com
Lake Effect weblog: http://www.lakefx.nu/
CHICAGOSTORIES: post yours @ chicagostories.org
Jojoz
"Dan Hartung" <dhar...@spamcop.NOT> wrote in message
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| In article <LfXi7.76648$MC1.24...@news1.elcjn1.sdca.home.com>,
| jojozsd@hotmail.[SPAMBLOC]com says...
| > I take great risk at posting this.... so oh well ....but I am SO glad I
| > don't live in, near or around Seattle if this is the amount of
compassion
| > people have for a human being....
|
| That's ridiculous. Keep in mind that local newsgroups are often populated
| by sarcastic young adults. They are not representative of the city as a
| whole.
And they are also populated by sarcastic adults ..... Think we got any here?
|
| By comparison, a week ago some friends and I were driving down an
| expressway on a Friday night trying to meet another couple in Chicago. We
| got stuck in a gridlock traffic jam for about 20 minutes until we slid
| past the accident scene, which was an SUV on its side (wheels spinning,
| lights on) in the ditch. It looked pretty intact, but there were fire
| trucks and police everywhere. We made a few jokes about SUV drivers and
| rollovers (nothing really nasty, though). As it happened, the driver of
| the SUV was an acquaintance of one of the lawyers my friend works for.
We're talking someone trying to commit suicide ...not a rollover that
appears that no one was hurt. We're talking about knowing someone was
attempting to end their own life and how this particular poster on his/her
own admission was perturbed that they were delayed. The nerve of some people
to be as selfish as to try to end thier life on someone elses route to work
or home.... sheesh ... what are these suicidal people thinking?????? .....
|
| I think everybody has a natural schadenfreude reaction to things like
| this, especially if it affects them negatively (like being stuck on a
| bridge for 3 hours).
I don't see how being stuck in traffic/on a bridge would affect anyone
positively, but to have the callous response like that... nah .. sorry ..
you can be peeved, frustrated, but to have no regard for the life that was
in such turmoil - and obviously no understanding of the mind that is
contemplating suicide.....drugs or not, this person needed help... Good
thing there was a negotiator willing to stay and try for hours to save this
persons life... if he/she thought like some of the commuters bitching and
moaning, he/she would have pushed the person and let traffic move on ....
Then again .....we could be dealing with a good old troll just to get us
going.....don't think that hasn't crossed my mind LoL
Still senseless in Seattle
~Jojoz
Laura Carlson
> going.....don't think that hasn't crossed my mind LoL
>
> Still senseless in Seattle
>
> ~Jojoz
No I am not a troll, I am just stating how people felt in Seattle on that
day. Personally I can care less. Sure, I was annoyed that my commute to
work was delayed, but I don't think I would have the guts or the business to
shout anything out from my window like "Jump, bitch" like what people were
saying. I also don't understand if someone is going to the great lengths to
go to a bridge and end their life, it would seem like they have given it
thought, so why hesitate? She is now in critical condition and porbbaly
pissed because now she is in even more pain! If she truly wanted help she
would have gone with the negioator when they first arrived instead of
waiting hours later then jumping. While I was waiting in traffic I was
listeningto a radio show and a caller standing under the bridge said the
woman was waving to people like she was on something! It's her own fault if
she was on drugs!
Jojoz
| > Then again .....we could be dealing with a good old troll just to get us
| > going.....don't think that hasn't crossed my mind LoL
| >
| > Still senseless in Seattle
| >
| > ~Jojoz
|
|
| No I am not a troll, I am just stating how people felt in Seattle on that
| day. Personally I can care less. Sure, I was annoyed that my commute to
| work was delayed, but I don't think I would have the guts or the business
to
| shout anything out from my window like "Jump, bitch" like what people were
| saying.
I also don't understand if someone is going to the great lengths to
| go to a bridge and end their life, it would seem like they have given it
| thought, so why hesitate?
You're assuming this woman was thinking rationally with a clear mind. One
who places themselves in danger like that is obviously a little off
kilter.... or as you suggested, she could have been on drugs. And who knows
what drug? What if she was a mental patient and someone or herself screwed
up her medication? What if she couldn't afford her medication..etc etc
etc... Maybe she took LSD - but long story short.... she was not in her
right rational mind. Who's to say she gave it any great thought at all
....maybe she just said, to heck with it, life is too hard... and decided on
a whim to do it... Most suicidal people ARE looking for attention, for help
.... but with the likes of some people like those in Seattle (and I'm sure
it's not just Seattle), they would have to be dang lucky to find someone
willing to sit on a bridge for 3-4 hours to try to convince them to NOT
jump. Job or not, negotiators have to have a level of compassion to try to
save a human life.........even if it means getting stuck in traffic, or on a
bridge, or missing his/her favorite program.....if it saves one life... it's
usually worth it...
Suppose this woman has children ... you haven't stated an approximate age so
I'm going hypothetical now .... Don't you think to them, no matter what,
their mother's life is worth saving to them, no matter how many commuters
were inconvenienced?
| She is now in critical condition and porbbaly
| pissed because now she is in even more pain! If she truly wanted help she
| would have gone with the negioator when they first arrived instead of
| waiting hours later then jumping.
Same as above.....you're not dealing with a clear rational mind with a
suicidal person. Drugs or not.
While I was waiting in traffic I was
| listeningto a radio show and a caller standing under the bridge said the
| woman was waving to people like she was on something! It's her own fault
if
| she was on drugs!
She also could have been waving good bye ......
~Jojoz
Jojoz
despondent over a relationship. She was not (apparently) on drugs.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134334776_jumper29m.html
A day of despair, anger on I-5: Woman survives plunge; commute halted 3½
hours
By Christine Clarridge and Dave Birkland
Seattle Times staff reporters
THOMAS JAMES HURST / THE SEATTLE TIMES
Interstate 5 turned into a parking lot after police closed the Ship Canal
Bridge.
As negotiators tried unsuccessfully to talk a woman off the Ship Canal
Bridge in Seattle yesterday morning, traffic throughout the area froze for
3½ hours.
Vehicles were backed up from the bridge north all the way to Shoreline. They
were backed up from the bridge east on Highway 520 all the way to Kirkland.
They were backed up in the northbound lanes of Interstate 5 from the bridge
south all the way to Boeing Field, according to the state Transportation
Department.
A 26-year-old woman, apparently distraught over a personal relationship,
stopped her car in the southbound lanes of the interstate about 6:20 a.m.,
walked over to the west side of the bridge, climbed onto the railing and
threatened to jump the 160 feet to the water below.
Police were called and traffic in the southbound lanes was halted or
re-routed into the reversible lanes.
Meanwhile, three police negotiators arrived to try to talk the woman, a
legislative lobbyist in Olympia, out of jumping.
At the time she climbed on the railing, there were no trained negotiators on
duty. But by 8 , two were called from home to try to communicate with her.
At 9:12, after those negotiators made no progress, a third was summoned.
While the police tried to talk the woman down, motorists passing the scene
in the northbound lanes began rubbernecking, almost causing accidents. That,
coupled with the jeering and obscenities directed at the woman from passing
motorists, caused police to close the northbound lanes as well for more than
an hour.
As police tried to reason the woman off the railing, her boyfriend was
summoned to the bridge.
It was unknown yesterday whether he ever made it there. He and his family
asked police and others to withhold as much information about the incident
as possible.
Police negotiators talked to the woman, described by co-workers as
wonderful, kind and intelligent, for more than two hours.
To no avail.
Shortly after 10, she stood up on the railing one more time, and jumped.
Jackson Lone, a police diver, was in one of three police vessels below the
bridge in case the woman did jump.
When she surfaced, feet first, Lone reached over the side of the boat and
grabbed her, slid into the water and towed her to another police vessel,
where she was put on a back board and taken to medics on shore.
Lone and his colleagues said they were surprised when the woman jumped.
"We were amazed that she jumped after 3½hours up there," said Lt. Richard
Schweitzer. He said it's unusual for people to spend that much time talking
to negotiators before leaping.
The woman, who has a home in Chehalis, was in serious condition at
Harborview Medical Center last night. She suffered a spinal fracture and
chest and abdominal injuries.
The boyfriend's family issued a statement from the hospital, saying, "(Her)
friends and family are all here to support her. ... She is a wonderful
woman. Please keep her in your thoughts and prayers."
The interstate was reopened in all directions about 10:30.
There have been at least 10 suicide attempts off the Ship Canal Bridge since
1966. Of those, three people — including the woman who jumped yesterday —
have survived.
Police said that for a time, calls to the North Precinct backed up because
so many officers had been assigned to handling the traffic and the situation
on the bridge.
Officers from the East Precinct and the State Patrol were called in to help,
police said.
Police spokesman Scott Moss said it was extremely unlikely that any sort of
charges would be filed against the woman.
Seattle Times staff reporter Ian Ith contributed to this report.
Copyright © 2001 The Seattle Times Company
Laura Carlson
"Jojoz" <jojozsd@hotmail.[SPAMBLOC]com> wrote:
> You're assuming this woman was thinking rationally with a clear mind. One
> who places themselves in danger like that is obviously a little off
> kilter.... or as you suggested, she could have been on drugs. And who
knows
> what drug? What if she was a mental patient and someone or herself screwed
> up her medication? What if she couldn't afford her medication..etc etc
> etc... Maybe she took LSD - but long story short.... she was not in her
> right rational mind. Who's to say she gave it any great thought at all
> ....maybe she just said, to heck with it, life is too hard... and decided
on
> a whim to do it... Most suicidal people ARE looking for attention, for
help
> .... but with the likes of some people like those in Seattle (and I'm sure
> it's not just Seattle), they would have to be dang lucky to find someone
> willing to sit on a bridge for 3-4 hours to try to convince them to NOT
> jump. Job or not, negotiators have to have a level of compassion to try to
> save a human life.........even if it means getting stuck in traffic, or on
a
> bridge, or missing his/her favorite program.....if it saves one life...
it's
> usually worth it...
Well, if she was a mental patient she was a long ways from the mental
hospital! As for not affording medication, there are plenty of programs
that will help out here in this state. I understand the negotiators are
paid to help her but it most be really frustrating...
> Suppose this woman has children ... you haven't stated an approximate age
so
> I'm going hypothetical now .... Don't you think to them, no matter what,
> their mother's life is worth saving to them, no matter how many commuters
> were inconvenienced?
She was 28 years old. If she had small children she doesn't deserve them!
What kind of mother will give up? No matter how hard her life may have been
she should be thinking of her children (hypothetically if she had any). And
what kind of mother should be on drugs? (hypothetically if she was on drugs
and if she had children) What does that say for her? I believe anyone can
kick the habit and for all those people who are "addicted" there is help out
there, they just don't want it! Yes they keep having babies! And I think it
is pretty sad they won't even try to change for their children... which
brings up another controversial issue in Washington State... They are going
to pay a woman (in particular prostitutes and drug users) $200 if she will
get an IUD so they can stop having babies...
> Same as above.....you're not dealing with a clear rational mind with a
> suicidal person. Drugs or not.
True, but I just don't understand still why someone would want to take their
own life, and not even suceed!
> She also could have been waving good bye ......
Could have been, but the gentleman under the bridge also said she was
sashshaying around and smiling. It really makes me think she was on drugs.
Why did she choose that area? The bridge she was on is right near the
University...makes me wonder if she was a college student? There is also a
large population of druggies/transients around there, otherwise that area is
predominatly college...
There is also another bridge which people jump off called the Aurora Bridge,
and if that woman was there this whole thing might make more sense because
in that area is where all the prostitutes,druggies,transients are, and it is
just expected to happen there... I am not trying to generalize but when you
look at the previous people who have jumped off the bridge and what their
lifestyles were, it all fits together.
Jojoz
| Well, if she was a mental patient she was a long ways from the mental
| hospital! As for not affording medication, there are plenty of programs
| that will help out here in this state. I understand the negotiators are
| paid to help her but it most be really frustrating...
As I posted in a newer post, she was despondent over a relationship. But to
answer your post in the hypothetical sense .... One does not have to be
committed to a mental institution to have mental problems.... ha! just read
thru some more posts on the NG lol ... You can be treated as an outpatient,
still work, still drive, etc etc ...just lots of drugs in your system .....
I'm almost getting the feeling you really just dont get it
|
| She was 28 years old. If she had small children she doesn't deserve
them!
| What kind of mother will give up? No matter how hard her life may have
been
| she should be thinking of her children (hypothetically if she had any).
And
| what kind of mother should be on drugs? (hypothetically if she was on
drugs
| and if she had children) What does that say for her? I believe anyone can
| kick the habit and for all those people who are "addicted" there is help
out
| there, they just don't want it! Yes they keep having babies! And I think
it
| is pretty sad they won't even try to change for their children... which
| brings up another controversial issue in Washington State... They are
going
| to pay a woman (in particular prostitutes and drug users) $200 if she will
| get an IUD so they can stop having babies...
So, what you're saying is, if someone is so emotionally distraught, their
children should be taken away and let her jump and kill herself?
Hmmmm...interesting theory. Let's hope one day you don't have emotional
problems so severe that people would rather see you jump than get better and
resume a normal life with your children who love you so much no matter what.
"What kind of mother would give up" ..... a very unstable and emotionally
imbalanced one.... one that is not in her right mind.... but I'm sure now
we'll be seeing posts that "At least she tried to kill herself and not her
kids" ... which in a weird twist ... is better than her drowning her
children because of her pain, but her life is just as valuable, and we're
not talking Andrea Yates here.
|
| > Same as above.....you're not dealing with a clear rational mind with a
| > suicidal person. Drugs or not.
|
| True, but I just don't understand still why someone would want to take
their
| own life, and not even suceed!
Re-read ..... we .......are.....not.....
dealing.....with.....a.....rational.....minded.......person
How hard is that to understand?
|
| > She also could have been waving good bye ......
|
| Could have been, but the gentleman under the bridge also said she was
| sashshaying around and smiling. It really makes me think she was on
drugs.
| Why did she choose that area? The bridge she was on is right near the
| University...makes me wonder if she was a college student? There is also
a
| large population of druggies/transients around there, otherwise that area
is
| predominatly college...
The gentleman under the bridge....was he in a boat? along side the police
and rescue people waiting to try to save her from the canal? From the
picture in the article I read, it didn't seem like anyone would be able to
get a clear view of this woman smiling and sashaying around ....maybe she
was flailing her arms out of frustration? Maybe her pained face from such a
distance appeared to be a smile? Why take the word of one insensitive clod
who makes his own assumptions? Did you see her smiling? Would you be smiling
while jumping 120 feet to a canal ? She knew her odds of succeeding were
pretty high, she was just one of the few that has survived.
|
| There is also another bridge which people jump off called the Aurora
Bridge,
| and if that woman was there this whole thing might make more sense because
| in that area is where all the prostitutes,druggies,transients are, and it
is
| just expected to happen there... I am not trying to generalize but when
you
| look at the previous people who have jumped off the bridge and what their
| lifestyles were, it all fits together.
|
|
Blah ..... you think she researched which is a more appropriate suicide
bridge? "just expected to happen there" ... that reminds me of the saying "
I can't believe [insert horrible crime] happend in this nieghborhood, it
just doesn't happen in a place like [insert hometown usa with apple pies in
the window sill].
~Jojoz .......I think I'm running out of ways to explain compassion for a
human life.... ah well ... pass me the coffee ....
Dog 3
"Jojoz" <jojozsd@hotmail.[SPAMBLOC]com> wrote in message
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> Here's an article from today's Seattle Times. She was a professional woman
> despondent over a relationship. She was not (apparently) on drugs.
>
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134334776_jumper29m.html
I heard a small bit about this on the news this morning. The newscaster
stated people were cheering the woman on? Did you hear anything about that?
Michael
Maggie
>As I posted in a newer post, she was despondent over a relationship.
***Ha! I heard it was actually just a series of one night stands. I think if
you were to post her hair color we would know for sure.
Maggie
"The interview with Connie Chung was very helpful here - to show the world he's
a jerk." - David Gergen on Gary Condit.
Jojoz
"Dog 3" <do...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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I posted another post about the police reaction to the cheering on of the
woman and the lack of compassion etc etc ... I think I posted it about 9am
PST ..
Jojoz
Jojoz
"Maggie" <maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC> wrote in message
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| jojoz said:
| >As I posted in a newer post, she was despondent over a relationship.
|
| ***Ha! I heard it was actually just a series of one night stands. I
think if
| you were to post her hair color we would know for sure.
LoL .. I had to think about that for a second .... but hey, i'm only on
coffee #2 of the day.
Someone posted ... maybe it was Micheal (dog3) about the perception woman
have vs men about what consitutes a "relationship"
But there's no way you're getting to weed thru all these posts to find
it.... nuh uh ... no way....
~Jojoz
Laura Carlson
to
> answer your post in the hypothetical sense .... One does not have to be
> committed to a mental institution to have mental problems.... ha! just
read
> thru some more posts on the NG lol ... You can be treated as an
outpatient,
> still work, still drive, etc etc ...just lots of drugs in your system
.....
> I'm almost getting the feeling you really just dont get it
I know there are tons of out patients out there, but she belonged in a
mental hospital for even thinking of committing suicide... over a man... HA!
That is very sad, does her life revolve around that man so much that she
doesn't have any sense of pride to live for HERSELF?
> So, what you're saying is, if someone is so emotionally distraught, their
> children should be taken away and let her jump and kill herself?
> Hmmmm...interesting theory. Let's hope one day you don't have emotional
> problems so severe that people would rather see you jump than get better
and
> resume a normal life with your children who love you so much no matter
what.
I have had emotional problems, just like everyone else has. I have broken
up with boyfriends, got into fights with them, and it hurts a lot. I deal
with it and move on, either we work things out or we don't. Some things
just aren't meant to be, and obviously her and her ex boyfriend weren't
meant to be.
> "What kind of mother would give up" ..... a very unstable and emotionally
> imbalanced one.... one that is not in her right mind.... but I'm sure now
> we'll be seeing posts that "At least she tried to kill herself and not her
> kids" ... which in a weird twist ... is better than her drowning her
> children because of her pain, but her life is just as valuable, and we're
> not talking Andrea Yates here.
Well, if she is unstable she shouldn't be having children. Why should the
children suffer because their mom is too weak?
> Re-read ..... we .......are.....not.....
> dealing.....with.....a.....rational.....minded.......person
> How hard is that to understand?
It's not, but a lot of people get angry and depressed and they still have
sense! I bet you she thought her boyfriend would come and rescue her but
since she loves him so much and he probbaly did not come to the bridge to
help her she decided it was not worth it.
Why end your life because of a MAN? Sad, pathetic, weak...
> The gentleman under the bridge....was he in a boat? along side the police
> and rescue people waiting to try to save her from the canal? From the
> picture in the article I read, it didn't seem like anyone would be able to
> get a clear view of this woman smiling and sashaying around ....maybe she
> was flailing her arms out of frustration? Maybe her pained face from such
a
> distance appeared to be a smile? Why take the word of one insensitive clod
> who makes his own assumptions? Did you see her smiling? Would you be
smiling
> while jumping 120 feet to a canal ? She knew her odds of succeeding were
> pretty high, she was just one of the few that has survived.
No, I have been under that bridge plenty of times, you can see perfectly
well. He wasn't the only one who called in to say that. Like I said, I
don't care what she wants to do, I am just stating what others saw.
> Blah ..... you think she researched which is a more appropriate suicide
> bridge? "just expected to happen there" ... that reminds me of the saying
"
> I can't believe [insert horrible crime] happend in this nieghborhood, it
> just doesn't happen in a place like [insert hometown usa with apple pies
in
> the window sill].
No, because they said her residence was in Chehalis and that is VERY far
from Seattle. So I am just wondering how she ended up at the Ship Canal
Bridge in the middle of the college town...
Jojoz
| I know there are tons of out patients out there, but she belonged in a
| mental hospital for even thinking of committing suicide... over a man...
HA!
| That is very sad, does her life revolve around that man so much that she
| doesn't have any sense of pride to live for HERSELF?
|
Not everyone can be as strong as you Laura .... Lord help us if we do
achieve that that at least we retain the compassion for anothers life, no
matter if we agree on the way they think about themselves or a
"relationship"
|
| I have had emotional problems, just like everyone else has. I have
broken
| up with boyfriends, got into fights with them, and it hurts a lot. I deal
| with it and move on, either we work things out or we don't. Some things
| just aren't meant to be, and obviously her and her ex boyfriend weren't
| meant to be.
|
As most of us have. Most of us have gone thru traumtic breakups (especially
when we were 14 or 15 lol) .... some people don't or can't "just move on"
... if we all had the way of thinking that everyone can "just move on" ...
we'd have a lot more sick people since no one would want to deal with them.
You don't have to agree with her method, but you can at least understand the
mental state she was in, even if you've never sunk so low.
|
| Well, if she is unstable she shouldn't be having children. Why should
the
| children suffer because their mom is too weak?
|
Maybe mom wasn't weak to begin with. You think everyone came out of the womb
a basket case?? Becoming despondent/unstable is process, not a born
condition. Geez... really now..... Have you never met anyone that was fine
when you knew them, but went thru something THEY concieved as being
traumatic and they just "couldnt' get over it" .... ???
|
| > Re-read ..... we .......are.....not.....
| > dealing.....with.....a.....rational.....minded.......person
|
| > How hard is that to understand?
|
| It's not, but a lot of people get angry and depressed and they still have
| sense! I bet you she thought her boyfriend would come and rescue her but
| since she loves him so much and he probbaly did not come to the bridge to
| help her she decided it was not worth it.
|
| Why end your life because of a MAN? Sad, pathetic, weak...
|
Sad....yes, pathetic, that's your opinion, you're entitled to
it........weak..... bingo ....she doesn't have the strength like some/most
of us....but should be angry when people like this interrupt our lives and
we perceive her as being selfish? Really now.... think about it. Slow down
and enjoy your coffee...... I do! :)
|
| > The gentleman under the bridge....was he in a boat? along side the
police
| > and rescue people waiting to try to save her from the canal? From the
| > picture in the article I read, it didn't seem like anyone would be able
to
| > get a clear view of this woman smiling and sashaying around ....maybe
she
| > was flailing her arms out of frustration? Maybe her pained face from
such
| a
| > distance appeared to be a smile? Why take the word of one insensitive
clod
| > who makes his own assumptions? Did you see her smiling? Would you be
| smiling
| > while jumping 120 feet to a canal ? She knew her odds of succeeding were
| > pretty high, she was just one of the few that has survived.
|
| No, I have been under that bridge plenty of times, you can see perfectly
| well. He wasn't the only one who called in to say that. Like I said, I
| don't care what she wants to do, I am just stating what others saw.
|
So now there are more witnesses to her smiling and sashaying...maybe she was
mocking someone who was mocking her? I don't know, and I wasn't there. Were
you? I don't take call-ins to a radio station too seriously ....
|
| > Blah ..... you think she researched which is a more appropriate suicide
| > bridge? "just expected to happen there" ... that reminds me of the
saying
| "
| > I can't believe [insert horrible crime] happend in this nieghborhood, it
| > just doesn't happen in a place like [insert hometown usa with apple pies
| in
| > the window sill].
|
| No, because they said her residence was in Chehalis and that is VERY far
| from Seattle. So I am just wondering how she ended up at the Ship Canal
| Bridge in the middle of the college town...
|
How far? Is it too far to commute to for work? are we talking more than 50
miles? I haven't ever been to Seattle, and I don't know distances but I know
plenty of people down here in SD, that will and do travel a great distance
to work in San Diego .... and they do it in Phoenix and behold....they
commute many miles in NYC from Long Island and Upstate NY, CT, NJ
....etc.... just to work in NYC ... some bravely drive, some take a train
....
some move from NY and move to San Diego hahaha ...
Jojoz
Patty
>jojoz said:
>>As I posted in a newer post, she was despondent over a relationship.
>
>***Ha! I heard it was actually just a series of one night stands. I think if
>you were to post her hair color we would know for sure.
>
>Maggie
>
the other night, it was mentioned that she is now living in Marin County and
works two jobs to support herself. I'm not sure if she is still working as a
flight attendant but the second job starts at 6 am working at a coffee bar.
Owner/manager says he also does catering with AMS.
Patty
Dog 3
"Jojoz" <jojozsd@hotmail.[SPAMBLOC]com> wrote in message
>
> "Maggie" <maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC> wrote in message
> news:20010829123920...@mb-fi.aol.com...
> | jojoz said:
> | >As I posted in a newer post, she was despondent over a relationship.
> |
> | ***Ha! I heard it was actually just a series of one night stands. I
> think if
> | you were to post her hair color we would know for sure.
>
> LoL .. I had to think about that for a second .... but hey, i'm only on
> coffee #2 of the day.
>
> Someone posted ... maybe it was Micheal (dog3) about the perception woman
> have vs men about what consitutes a "relationship"
>
> But there's no way you're getting to weed thru all these posts to find
> it.... nuh uh ... no way....
>
> ~Jojoz
I didn't state what constitutes a relationship. I said IMO sex once or
twice does not make a relationship in the traditional sense but might be
considered a sexual relationship.
Michael
Jojoz
Ok, that's what I saw. Something like that. And yes, it's your opinion. But
would you agree that women and men see differently what makes a relationship
a relationship?
Then again, some women might think like men and some men think like women
and and and.... heck, what do I care... I'm married and purty dang happy
with the one I got haha ....
Jojoz
Laura Carlson
"Jojoz" <jojozsd@hotmail.[SPAMBLOC]com> wrote
> Not everyone can be as strong as you Laura .... Lord help us if we do
> achieve that that at least we retain the compassion for anothers life, no
> matter if we agree on the way they think about themselves or a
> "relationship"
I think no one but your own children are worth dying for
> Maybe mom wasn't weak to begin with. You think everyone came out of the
womb
> a basket case?? Becoming despondent/unstable is process, not a born
> condition. Geez... really now..... Have you never met anyone that was fine
> when you knew them, but went thru something THEY concieved as being
> traumatic and they just "couldnt' get over it" .... ???
I knew friends who seemed fine, but then as soon as their boyfriends did
something to them, LOL their craziness came out, but they would not jump
over a bridge, maybe just slash a tire or two.
I am not going to say I never did anything stupid because I will be the
first to admit that the craziest thing I ever did from a result of being
hurt was when my boyfriend and I got into a fight, it hurt because we never
had fights and I didn't know what to do when he told me he didn't want to be
with me and he didn't love me so I broke the antenae off his car (the car
that he loves os so dearly) and it hurt him, he left, I didn't see him for a
few weeks, but I wasn't so depressed... It gave me a time to reflect on
myself and what I said and did, and also gave me a new sense of freedom I
guess. Eventually he called me and I apoligized because we both were in a
calm state of mind and things have been great ever since.
If she did something stupid like that I think that would have been accepted.
If we saw in the headlines that she was distraught over her EX bf so she
broke all his windows. But to jump over a bridge? No man, no matter how
good he treats you is worth it enough to jump over a bridge hehe
> Sad....yes, pathetic, that's your opinion, you're entitled to
> it........weak..... bingo ....she doesn't have the strength like some/most
> of us....but should be angry when people like this interrupt our lives and
> we perceive her as being selfish? Really now.... think about it. Slow down
> and enjoy your coffee...... I do! :)
I think most people thought it was entertaining at first then got pretty
upset because she wsa holding up traffic. Seattle people and traffic do not
mix, so whenever there is a delay you can expect evil tempers!
> So now there are more witnesses to her smiling and sashaying...maybe she
was
> mocking someone who was mocking her? I don't know, and I wasn't there.
Were
> you? I don't take call-ins to a radio station too seriously ....
No, I wasn't there, but they did show a small clip of it. And the men who
were calling in the show were making jokes to the way she was acting. On
the news clip she seemed pretty goofy to me, like she just wanted someone to
reach out to her... and I guess that someone was her EX bf and he may or may
not have shown up...
> How far? Is it too far to commute to for work? are we talking more than 50
> miles? I haven't ever been to Seattle, and I don't know distances but I
know
> plenty of people down here in SD, that will and do travel a great distance
> to work in San Diego .... and they do it in Phoenix and behold....they
> commute many miles in NYC from Long Island and Upstate NY, CT, NJ
> ....etc.... just to work in NYC ... some bravely drive, some take a train
It's about 90+ miles. Which means with the way traffic is here that can be
a 3+ hour drive no matter what time you leave your house! She must be crazy
if she wants to commute that long distance everyday. J/k Chehalis is quite
a ways a way :(
Jojoz
|
| I think no one but your own children are worth dying for
Agreed. But we're talking about what SHE thinks. And obviously she thought
otherwise. Not saying I agree with that point of view, but I'm trying to see
it from HER point of view, not mine.
|
| I knew friends who seemed fine, but then as soon as their boyfriends did
| something to them, LOL their craziness came out, but they would not jump
| over a bridge, maybe just slash a tire or two.
| I am not going to say I never did anything stupid because I will be the
| first to admit that the craziest thing I ever did from a result of being
| hurt was when my boyfriend and I got into a fight, it hurt because we
never
| had fights and I didn't know what to do when he told me he didn't want to
be
| with me and he didn't love me so I broke the antenae off his car (the car
| that he loves os so dearly) and it hurt him, he left, I didn't see him for
a
| few weeks, but I wasn't so depressed... It gave me a time to reflect on
| myself and what I said and did, and also gave me a new sense of freedom I
| guess. Eventually he called me and I apoligized because we both were in a
| calm state of mind and things have been great ever since.
|
| If she did something stupid like that I think that would have been
accepted.
| If we saw in the headlines that she was distraught over her EX bf so she
| broke all his windows. But to jump over a bridge? No man, no matter how
| good he treats you is worth it enough to jump over a bridge hehe
So, you break antennae's off of cars, she decided to jump off a bridge. It's
how we each decide what to do. But her attempting suicide off of a bridge at
rush hour was hardly with the thought "Let me go screw up Seattles day" ...
I highly doubt she gave the traffic a second thought and didn't give a rip
about what Seattle thought... in her mind, her problems were too
overwhelming. How she handled it is how she did, not how we necessarily
would. If everyone thought like her, we'd have a lot of people floating in
the waters in San Diego too..
|
| I think most people thought it was entertaining at first then got pretty
| upset because she wsa holding up traffic. Seattle people and traffic do
not
| mix, so whenever there is a delay you can expect evil tempers!
|
Entertaining? Sorry, I find nothing entertaining about watching someone
about to end their life. Not one thing. Sick if you ask me. And if you think
Seattle people get upset over traffic delays, take a trip to SF or NYC on a
good day ... it's still gridlock at rush hour without the help of a suicidal
woman on a bridge, and NY has looots of bridges and very high up I might add
... one would be in serious hurting shape if they survived a jump off of
some of them.
|
| No, I wasn't there, but they did show a small clip of it. And the men
who
| were calling in the show were making jokes to the way she was acting. On
| the news clip she seemed pretty goofy to me, like she just wanted someone
to
| reach out to her... and I guess that someone was her EX bf and he may or
may
| not have shown up...
|
They aren't quite sure if he ever made it, probably got stuck in all the
traffic would be my guess. I would like to see this video clip, tho on a PC
it would be hard to make a decision since it would be of poor quality
anyway. It still makes me sick to think people would joke about this, but oh
well ...
|
| It's about 90+ miles. Which means with the way traffic is here that can
be
| a 3+ hour drive no matter what time you leave your house! She must be
crazy
| if she wants to commute that long distance everyday. J/k Chehalis is
quite
| a ways a way :(
|
90 miles is quite a distance. So who knows why she went there, but I doubt
we'll ever find out. One could come up with a number of reasons, but the
most obvious is she wanted to kill herself and wanted to use that bridge
....
And on that note.... time for me to hit the road to the office...
~Jojoz ... 3 cups of coffee and now i can move :)
Dog 3
"Jojoz" <jojozsd@hotmail.[SPAMBLOC]com> wrote in message
jojoz, I'm gay so I can only speculate. I would say yes, IMO the majority
of men and women view what constitutes a relationship differently. I say
this because the majority of the crowd we run with are married couples.
>
> Then again, some women might think like men and some men think like women
> and and and.... heck, what do I care... I'm married and purty dang happy
> with the one I got haha ....
Good for you! I'm happy with what I've got also. Is your relationship a
monogamous one? Mine is.
Michael
>
> Jojoz
>
>
>
Nancy Rudins
Thanks for the heads-up. I guess it's on my list of places
not to visit.
Kind regards,
Nancy
unix: panic[cpu0]/thread=4003fe60: Out of Coffee!
Nancy Rudins nru...@ncsa.uiuc.edu
http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/People/nrudins/
Jojoz
| > | I didn't state what constitutes a relationship. I said IMO sex once
or
| > | twice does not make a relationship in the traditional sense but might
be
| > | considered a sexual relationship.
| > |
| > | Michael
| >
| > Ok, that's what I saw. Something like that. And yes, it's your opinion.
| But
| > would you agree that women and men see differently what makes a
| relationship
| > a relationship?
|
| jojoz, I'm gay so I can only speculate. I would say yes, IMO the majority
| of men and women view what constitutes a relationship differently. I say
| this because the majority of the crowd we run with are married couples.
Doesn't matter if you gay or not, an opinion is just that... you're sexual
orientation shouldn't have any bearing on how you see a relationship.
hmmm... did that make sense?
|
| >
| > Then again, some women might think like men and some men think like
women
| > and and and.... heck, what do I care... I'm married and purty dang happy
| > with the one I got haha ....
|
| Good for you! I'm happy with what I've got also. Is your relationship a
| monogamous one? Mine is.
|
| Michael
|
Yes, very. almost 16 years, 4 kids and going strong. Sheesh, my husband
doesn't even buy or look at girlie stuff....never has ... but with a woman
like me, who would want to look elsewhere???? haha.....j/k .....sheesh
....time to fly to the office..... ciao for now since Netzero doesn't
support NG's and Google is awful about posts ... I just wait til i get home
where I can relax and weed thru the flames for some serious reading.
Jojoz
Jojoz
"Nancy Rudins" <nru...@gto.ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.SUN.3.95.101082...@gto.ncsa.uiuc.edu...
San Diego is a great place to visit if you haven't been here. and only one
bridge :)
Nancy Rudins
Thanks. I haven't been there yet but I'm glad it's a good place to
Crime News
Police shocked by level of anger at canal jumper
By Carol M. Ostrom
Seattle Times staff reporter
She was perched on the edge of the freeway railing, the murky water of
the Ship Canal 160 feet below.
Contemplating the end of her life at age 26, perhaps all she needed was
a hand, a hug, a sign that she mattered.
That wasn't the message she got from her fellow human beings driving
past.
"Jump!" "Get it over with!" commuters shouted. "Life's a bitch!"
Inside a Metro bus, passengers were swearing. "Everybody, including the
bus driver, started saying, 'Just (expletive) jump ... and get it over
with!' recalled one passenger, stuck for two hours as officers closed
first southbound and then northbound Interstate 5.
Catcalls and jeers also came from below, said Sgt. L.G. Eddy, Seattle
police crisis-intervention-team coordinator.
Clem Benton, police spokesman, said responding officers were "shaken up"
by the insensitivity of the commuters. He said the noise, including the
honking, catcalls and obscenities, caused officers to close the
northbound lanes.
First on the scene, Officer Brian Thomas focused on the young woman on
the railing, but he heard the taunts. "It upset me," he said.
It's not the first time people have yelled "jump" to a would-be suicide
on top of a building or bridge.
But this is Seattle, after all — the same Seattle that prides itself on
compassion, that houses the homeless in church parking lots, that raises
whopping sums for United Way.
"I can see it reported in the New York Post," said Eric Trupin, a
University of Washington psychologist. "But in Seattle?"
Those who study human behavior, however, say such behavior isn't always
what it seems.
Sometimes, it signals impatience with a crisis that appears
self-generated, said Ronald Maris, director of the Center for the Study
of Suicide at the University of South Carolina.
"People tend to get impatient with suicides. They feel there's all these
people who are sick or injured, through no fault of their own. ... "
They're saying, in effect, "Life is tough enough with real problems —
get real."
It's not that the passers-by really want people to jump, Maris said.
But, focused on themselves, they think, "We've got real problems and
real things to do, and here you are, with a manufactured crisis,
interfering with the social life of the city."
Most suicide attempts happen at home, Maris noted, and when one takes
place in a public place, passers-by feel put upon, as if the person is
asking for some response from them, almost like a panhandler tugging on
their coats.
"They feel it's intentional — `You did it to yourself, why do you want
us to get involved in this?' " Maris said. "It's like people are saying,
`This is not the way it's supposed to be. You're supposed to go home, go
to your bedroom, get drunk and shoot yourself.' "
And not block traffic.
There is something about being in motor vehicles that augments our
ability to depersonalize one another, social psychologists say.
Sure, said the woman on the bus, the jumper was a human being. "She's a
person, but everybody who was in a car this morning was also a person,
and every one of them has a life, too," said the woman, who commutes
from the North End into Bellevue.
Seattle University's Dick Cunningham, who helps train theology students,
said he worries about our compassion and sense of community.
We have concern for the unborn, yet we treat a live person callously, he
said. "The passers-by have lost any sense of who they are and their
relationship to other people. ... The only thing that gives life meaning
is that they're late."
Officer Thomas, despite being upset by the catcalls, said he could
understand angry commuters. "I am a police officer, but I'm also a human
being. I know had I been caught up in that traffic nightmare, I'd
probably be frustrated, too."
In general, people aren't "coldhearted and callous," Maris emphasized.
They might make inappropriate comments partly because public suicide
attempts are rare.
But there could be a deeper rationale to the behavior, he said.
"Part of the feeling about suicides is kind of Darwinian. ... `Go ahead
and get rid of those bad genes. ... Don't hang around and contaminate
the rest of us.' There is this notion of biological fitness."
Still, Trupin said, it's "so disturbing that we have people who can't
put themselves in this circumstance about how this person could be
feeling, that this person is distraught and miserable ... and people are
acting like it's play-acting, a game."
What we can forget, in the crush of traffic and being late, he said, is
that the woman on the bridge railing is, just as we are, "the loved one
of someone, the baby of some mom."
Some, perhaps many more than we know, did remember.
A witness from below, who saw the woman in the air, arms out, as she
plummeted toward the water, sent an e-mail to The Seattle Times: "I
could not imagine the pain she was feeling, both physically and
emotionally. ... I hope she survives. I know a lot of drivers are very
angry with her. I hope she recovers and finds support."
Crime News
> Suppose this woman has children ... you haven't stated an approximate age so
> I'm going hypothetical now .... Don't you think to them, no matter what,
> their mother's life is worth saving to them, no matter how many commuters
> were inconvenienced?
She was 26 Jo!
ciao
Jason
Patty
>Imagine the surprise of one of the grumbling motorists with no compassion if
>they found out it was a loved one of their own ... or at least someone they
>knew. I can't totally base my opinion of Seattle on one post (but what a
>post eh?) ....and to say that the Seattle NG is laughing and joking about
>it.... sheesh, makes some of the loons here look more normal ......guess
>they have their own loons? or are loons only in Maine?? ...
>
>I feel it's always a risk on a NG to post something like what I posted after
>what was posted .....but I will post it.... gotta love a risk
>sometimes....and if they don't like it..they can killfile me :) .... i've
>never hestitated to use that button :D
>
>I've never been to Seattle, so I don't know about the traffic and
>roadways...but I guess I'll never be as selfish as to go up there and jump
>off a bridge while I'm totally despondent and don't know what to do ....
>those poor commuters.... I wouldn't want to ruin THEIR day .... now would I
>?
>
>Jojoz
>
Something kinda like that happened here in Silicon Valley a number of years ago.
On Highway 17, a 4-lane twisting and turning highway from Santa Cruz to San
Jose, was an accident during morning commute hours. It was a rainy day or
slightly raining that day and a woman missed a turn in the road and was thrown
out of her vehicle. The SJ Mercury reported that there was only one good
samaritan on the road who stopped and lent a hand while most just went by eager
to get to work. The samaritan covered the woman with a blanket and called for
help on his cellphone. At this point the woman was still conscious and he asked
her if he could call anyone for her. She asked for her fiance. I don't know if
she was able to talk to the fiance but he did get to the hospital but again I
can't remember if he got to the hospital before she died or not.
After the article, many wrote in to say that they had stopped or figured that
help was on the way and weren't heartless and more involved in their commute
than a dying woman lying on the side of a mountain road. They were really mad
about what that SJ Mercury writer had written about Santa Cruz commuters. Weeks
after her death I was on Highway 17 and saw flowers placed at the point where
she had been thrown out of her car.
As far as Seattle goes, it was named the number one worst commute in the USA.
Patty
NEON NAPPI
From: "Jojoz" <jojozsd@hotmail.[SPAMBLOC]com>
/Ok, that's what I saw. Something like that. And yes, it's your opinion. But
/would you agree that women and men see differently what makes a /relationship
/a relationship?
Absolutely!!! Did you read the piece that Lars posted by Dave Barry? It's so
very familiar it would have cracked me up if it werent so frustrating.
I'll post it right after this post in case you didnt.
Have a good laugh.
Barbara
Jojoz
news:tocj7.2882$T4.2...@www.newsranger.com...
Well I've never been to Seattle, and I guess after reading about hte worst
commute, I 'd doubt we take a transfer there lol .. San Diego is not bad at
all - but San Fran ...ugh! even just going there to visit my friend and
being stuck in traffic to enjoy a day out... blah ... oh well ...we still
have fun .....
I'm sure there were plenty of compassionate people that once they learned
the reason for the hold up, didn't get their panties all wadded up... (in
the Seattle thing) .....
~Jojoz
Patty
>commute, I 'd doubt we take a transfer there lol .. San Diego is not bad at
>all - but San Fran ...ugh! even just going there to visit my friend and
>being stuck in traffic to enjoy a day out... blah ... oh well ...we still
>have fun .....
>
>I'm sure there were plenty of compassionate people that once they learned
>the reason for the hold up, didn't get their panties all wadded up... (in
>the Seattle thing) .....
>
>~Jojoz
>
daring them to jump, and I don't think it had anything to do with traffic.
A few years ago on a 4th of July weekend we were coming back to the Bay Area
from Mammoth (actually we were planning on one night at Yosemite before going
home but it was the last day of the long weekend)when we hit traffic backed up
on Tioga Pass. It was a parking lot, every car stopped on that warm July day.
Turned out there had been a bad accident. Tempers were really bad that day as
people wanted to get home and I can't remember how many I heard say "They better
be dead to put us through this." Turned out a single car again missed a turn
and went down a steep ravine, helicopter had to rescue them. Two were dead on
impact and a woman died later at the hospital. Next day we were in Yosemite
Village and saw the car, looking at it no way anyone could have survived that
tumble.
Patty
Jojoz
sick sick sick .... i guess it's just the way things are .... i don't live
in a bubble that's for sure, i just hate coming to the realization that it
really goes on yanno??
Ronald Helm
>How people can be so cruel and unkind to shout for this woman to jump
>off the bridge is beyond me. What is happening to our society???
>
> Woman Jumps From Seattle Bridge
They likely were tired of waiting in the miles long traffic jam caused
by people trying to talk her down...AMF
Ron
Ronald Helm
wrote:
>1) they didn't care, they just thought she was some nut
>2) she was holding up traffic
>3) police were there in a matter of minutes and it took her almost 4 hours
>to do something!
That's right...shit or get off the damn pot! As Nike says..."Just Do
It!
Ron
debby
> > When people do something like this, they are at the end of their rope.
> They are
> > obsessing about their fate, thinking about dying. Holding up traffic is
> the last
> > thing on her mind. Do you think that is why the public did this? They were
> > unhappy about being stuck in traffic? Where is their pity for a human
> being in
> > distress? Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
>
> Debby- sorry to sound so insensitive but in the Seattle newsgroups people
> are laughing and joking about it. No one cared that holding up traffic was
> the last thing on her mind, but they felt that if she had the balls to go to
> the bridge in the first place and even think about jumping she should have!
> Like I said, I had to sit in traffic for another hour because of all this,
> and I was pretty pissed. I am sure the people who were driving through that
> area were also very frustrated because what could have been 10-20 min drive
> to downtown Seattle turned into hours. I am sure the public was telling her
> to jump because:
>
> 1) they didn't care, they just thought she was some nut
> 2) she was holding up traffic
> 3) police were there in a matter of minutes and it took her almost 4 hours
> to do something!
>
> i bet you this lady was on drugs that is how she happened along the ship
> canal bridge
Well to me it was heartless and all of these people should be ashamed of
themselves. I never want to live in Seattle then. Does anyone now know why she
jumped or what her condition is??? Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
debby
I loved San Francisco, but was very surprised to find out the Golden Gate Bridge
is red.....:) Debby S<sarg...@infi.net>
debby
San Diego is beautiful. I love the weather!!!! I could have spent weeks at the
zoo:) Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net> Plus there is LaJoya.....:)
debby
> > Then again .....we could be dealing with a good old troll just to get us
> > going.....don't think that hasn't crossed my mind LoL
> >
> > Still senseless in Seattle
> >
> > ~Jojoz
>
> No I am not a troll, I am just stating how people felt in Seattle on that
> day. Personally I can care less. Sure, I was annoyed that my commute to
> work was delayed, but I don't think I would have the guts or the business to
> shout anything out from my window like "Jump, bitch" like what people were
> saying. I also don't understand if someone is going to the great lengths to
> go to a bridge and end their life, it would seem like they have given it
> thought, so why hesitate? She is now in critical condition and porbbaly
> pissed because now she is in even more pain! If she truly wanted help she
> would have gone with the negioator when they first arrived instead of
> waiting hours later then jumping. While I was waiting in traffic I was
> listeningto a radio show and a caller standing under the bridge said the
> woman was waving to people like she was on something! It's her own fault if
> she was on drugs!
When you decide to commit suicide there is still the fear that you have to go
through when you find out that you are in reality going to kill yourself. The
survival instinct is very real and this poor woman must have been really mixed
up. I believe only someone who really wants to committ suicide can understand
this. Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
debby
>
> The woman, who has a home in Chehalis, was in serious condition at
> Harborview Medical Center last night. She suffered a spinal fracture and
> chest and abdominal injuries.
>
>
Well, thank God she is in stable condition. I wonder if she will ever walk
again? Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
debby
> "Jojoz" <jojozsd@hotmail.[SPAMBLOC]com> wrote in message
> news:sX7j7.76801$MC1.25...@news1.elcjn1.sdca.home.com...
> > Here's an article from today's Seattle Times. She was a professional woman
> > despondent over a relationship. She was not (apparently) on drugs.
> >
> > http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134334776_jumper29m.html
>
> I heard a small bit about this on the news this morning. The newscaster
> stated people were cheering the woman on? Did you hear anything about that?
>
> Michael
All the people on the bridge were telling her to jump. It was disgusting.
Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
debby
>
> Could have been, but the gentleman under the bridge also said she was
> sashshaying around and smiling. It really makes me think she was on drugs.
> Why did she choose that area? The bridge she was on is right near the
> University...makes me wonder if she was a college student? There is also a
> large population of druggies/transients around there, otherwise that area is
> predominatly college...
>
Alot of people smile when they are going to committ suicide. They have made
their decision. Some of them are actually happy they are going to die. For the
first time they are at peace. They made a decision. Debby
S.<sarg...@infi.net>
DedNdogYrs
Bridge is red.....:)>
I think it's a dark orange. It's anti-rust paint.
Dogs & children first.
DedNdogYrs
their decision. Some of them are actually happy they are going to die. For the
first time they are at peace. They made a decision.>
There was a man who jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge who thought that exact
same thing and he was very happy all the time he was driving to the bridge and
he thought about how nice the ocean air was when he got out of his car. He was
even still happy when he climbed over the rail. Then as soon as his feet left
the bridge he regretted it. I guess absolute reality set in. He was one of the
extremely small percentage (possibly as little as 1%) of people who survived.
He never did it again.
Dogs & children first.
gemini...@excite.com
JUMP! JUMP! THE SUICIDE BAITING CROWD
from Violence in America: Lessons on Understanding the Aggression in our
Lives
by Arnold P. Goldstein
Harris Brown was very depressed. His marriage had slowly been going sour
for many months, and he had begun to suspect that his wife had a lover.
Today at work he had been given a first-hand lesson in the meaning of
the word downsizing. Twenty-two years at the company, twenty-two
faithful, hard-working years. And now a note: not needed anymore,
goodbye, clean out your desk by Friday.
He crossed the street to the office building he had looked at from his
office for years but never been in. Took the elevator to the twelfth
floor. Entered the men's room, opened the window, and crawled out on the
ledge.
Harris stood there, gazing down but not really seeing. Looked across the
street to his own office, thought about the memo. Not needed anymore,
goodbye, clean out your desk by Friday. Words broke through his fog of
depression. They seemed to be coming from below, from the street.
"Jump! Jump! ... Jump! Jump! ... Jump! Jump!"
Professor Leon Mann in South Australia has studied this strange and
repugnant espression of aggression, the suicide-baiting crowd. His
analysis of twenty-one cases in which crowds were present when a person
threatened to jump off a building, bridge or tower is quite interesting.
Crowd reaction, he suggests, may be primarily concern, or curiosity, or
callousness. This last description is what characterizes the
suicide-baiting crowd, in which its members jeer, taunt, and urge the
victim to jump.
What are the conditions that give rise to such behavior? Professor Mann
hypothesized that such a crowd would be characterized by what
psychologists call deindividuation. This is a condition of diminished
self-awareness, a condition, in which, in a sense, one's identity is
lost in and merges with the crowd. Deindividuation is more likely to
occur under some circumstances than others, and the research sought to
find out if these circumstances were present when there was baiting and
absent when there was not.
1/ CROWD SIZE People in large crowds should feel more anonymous than in
smaller groupings. In fact, there was significantly more baiting of the
victim in crowds of more than three hundred persons than in smaller
ones.
2/ COVER OF DARKNESS Dim lighting should also contribute to
deindividuation for the same reason as crowd size: it increases
anonymity. Again, analyses showed more taunting, jeering, and
encouragement to jump in incidents occuring after 6pm than before.
3/ PHYSICAL DISTANCE BETWEEN CROWD AND VICTIM Where the potential
suicide person is close to the crowd, making it difficult for crowd
members to remain anonymous, little baiting should occur. Further, when
the two are separated by so much distance that the victim would be
unable to hear the taunts and jeers, it is also true that little baiting
should occur. Most baiting should take place at an intermediate
distance, when victim and crowd are far enough apart for crowd members
to lose their identity, yet close enough for shouted communications to
be heard. This is just what the research found: Baiting occurred only
when the person threatened to jump was on the sixth to twelfth floors of
the building involved, not at lower or higher levels.
4/ DURATION OF THE INCIDENT It has been proposed that deindividuation is
more likely when crowd members are tired and perhaps irritable.
Consistent with this idea, baiting was substantially more frequent in
those incidents lasting more than two hours as compared to briefer ones.
Like many other forms of aggression, suicide-baiting is hurtful and even
cruel. The more such behavior can be understood, perhaps the better able
we will become at preventing its occurence -- or at least minimizing its
negative effects when it does take place.
...geminiwalker
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I agree that this is an interesting article. So most people are followers and if
left to annonimity they will do bad and cruel things. It's not a very flattering
comment on the human race. Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
Nancy Rudins
|> I agree that this is an interesting article. So most people are followers and if
|> left to annonimity they will do bad and cruel things. It's not a very flattering
|> comment on the human race. Debby S.<sarg...@infi.net>
|>
|>
It isn't a very flattering comment. Mob behavior research has been
around for a while, and in great volume. This doesn't surprise me.
Kind regards,
Nancy
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