Walmart Rips off Toys for Tots
tiny dancer
Toys placed in a drop-off box for charity at a Wal-Mart wound up back on the
store shelves after a mix-up that frustrated organizers.
With 10 days left until the end of the annual Toys for Tots drive for the
Logan County Chamber of Commerce, organizer Susan Kraich said she was back
at square one.
But by late Wednesday, things were looking up -- with $425 worth of toys in
hand for delivery.
The roller-coaster charity drive began its wild ride over the weekend.
"I've been keeping an eye on that box every time I went to Wal-Mart, and was
so excited as it slowly began to fill. Over the weekend I heard that it was
nearly full, so I went to pick it up. I was devastated when I found it
empty," Kraich said.
Kraich said she complained to store management, but was told the store would
only replace the items she knew for a fact were in the box. She was only
able to replace three toys.
"I don't know how I am suppose to prove what was in there ... I thought
since Wal-Mart agreed to place the box, they were agreeing to keep an eye on
it," she said.
Wal-Mart manager Brad Barritt said the Toys for Tots organizer he met, whose
name he could not remember, was instructed that donated items needed to be
wrapped in Wal-Mart bags to ensure the items had been purchased.
Kraich, who works for First America Cash Advance, denied ever receiving any
such instruction.
Since store officials didn't know if the gifts had been bought or not -- and
no video camera was trained on the box -- Barritt said he decided to place
all the toys back on the shelves for resale.
Barritt noted that the retailer is a regular benefactor to area clubs and
organizations, donating more than $50,000 annually. Wal-Mart even offered a
$1,000 cash grant to Toys for Tots this year.
"Not that that has anything to do with this situation. Only to say that, as
a corporation, we are very community minded. I'd hate to see a discrepancy
over a few toys change that perception in the eyes of the public," Barritt s
aid.
DedNdogYrs
overtime for free (for which they have been sued), but to steal from poor
children is about as low as it gets. Maybe if some customers write to this
store and tell them they're not shopping there anymore and why.
Dogs & children first.
My funny face
the 800 number, and everyone pretended to be concerned. A month later, we had
the exact situation pop up, all over again, with the same employee. We called
the 800 number, and suprise suprise, no one cared.
Wal-Mart always had a lot of respect from me, especially in consideration of
the benefitial things that company did for surrounding communities. My opinion
of Wal-Mart has changed, drastically. I'm sorry to see these bastards are now
stealing from the poor!! Goodness, what has it come to?
I am trying to become the person I imagine myself to be, have patience.
My funny face
where did you see this article, on Wal-mart restocking shelves with toy drive
items?
Thanks in advance.
Michael Lonergan
"DedNdogYrs" <dednd...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I don't know the fine details of this but if I read the article correctly,
the toys were to be wrapped or in a Wal-Mart bag to show the toys had been
purchased. I can see people buying a toy and in their rush forgetting to
bag the toy, while putting it in the bin on the way out the door. I can
also see employees seeing unwrapped toys in the bin and thinking someone
didn't want the toy and just put it there like so many people do. They just
put an item anywhere because they decided not to purchase it.
I don't think Wal-Mart is "stealing" from Toys for Tots. I think the entire
thing was probably a big misunderstanding. Wal-Mart allowed the bin in
their store. Apparently they don't monitor the bins. I also understand how
a mistake could have been made thinking the toys may not have been paid for.
I don't think Wal-Mart is the bad guy here but I do think they could have
kicked in some toys after the mistake was discovered.
I avoid those huge superstores like Wal-Mart, BigK and others because I
don't like the crowds and the long waiting time in the check out lines. I
will go to them if I want something specific. I wanted a specific item from
Wal-Mart last week and I went to buy it. The place was completely mobbed.
I left without making my purchase.
Michael
Teresa
"My funny face":
***********************
Here's where I read it:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/1821982/detail.html
Teresa
Kris Baker
tiny dancer <tinyda...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Charity toy drive goes awry
> Kraich said she complained to store management, but was told the store
would
> only replace the items she knew for a fact were in the box. She was only
> able to replace three toys.
>
> "I don't know how I am suppose to prove what was in there ... I thought
> since Wal-Mart agreed to place the box, they were agreeing to keep an eye
on
> it," she said.
>
> Wal-Mart manager Brad Barritt said the Toys for Tots organizer he met,
whose
> name he could not remember, was instructed that donated items needed to be
> wrapped in Wal-Mart bags to ensure the items had been purchased.
>
> Kraich, who works for First America Cash Advance, denied ever receiving
any
> such instruction.
>
> Since store officials didn't know if the gifts had been bought or not --
and
> no video camera was trained on the box -- Barritt said he decided to place
> all the toys back on the shelves for resale.
Whoooaaaa! Am I reading this right?
Toys were in the TFT box, and WalMart's excuse for putting them back on
the shelves was "because they weren't in WalMart bags"?
Does that mean that if they were in bags from other stores, WalMart
could appropriate them for their own restocking?
You were only supposed to donate toys purchased from WalMart?
So you go to WalMart and buy some things, including a toy for the
TFT box, and your things are put in one or two bags. IF you comply
with the unknown WalMart rule, you have to use one of your bags
to put the TFT toy in before putting it in the box -- and then you walk
out of the store with items in your hands, thus exposing yourself
to risk of a shoplifting accusation?
I think I've been in a WalMart about six times (and three of them were
when we were out of town). The last time I shopped WM locally, the
clerk would not accept my debit card because it had my husband's name
on it, tried to confiscate it (saying loudly "that's not YOUR card!"), but
would accept a check with the same account number and both of our
names. I walked out.
I also detest WalMart for their predatory practices which have destroyed
locally-owned businesses in many small towns, including abandoned
stores that cannot be rented to anyone else selling anything that
WalMart sells.
Kris
Lady Taker
"Michael Lonergan" <fur...@claqueNOT.net> wrote:
> I don't know the fine details of this but if I read the article correctly,
> the toys were to be wrapped or in a Wal-Mart bag to show the toys had been
> purchased. I can see people buying a toy and in their rush forgetting to
> bag the toy, while putting it in the bin on the way out the door. I can
> also see employees seeing unwrapped toys in the bin and thinking someone
> didn't want the toy and just put it there like so many people do. They
just
> put an item anywhere because they decided not to purchase it.
Exactly. That's how it is here. All toys must be in Walmart bags. It's
simple good sense if nothing else.
>
> I don't think Wal-Mart is "stealing" from Toys for Tots.
Yeah, no shit. Like they need to rob a few hundred dollars of toys when
they're doing a mega-million dollar business.
Volfie (Get a grip, people.)
Lady Taker
"Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote:
> So you go to WalMart and buy some things, including a toy for the
> TFT box, and your things are put in one or two bags. IF you comply
> with the unknown WalMart rule, you have to use one of your bags
> to put the TFT toy in before putting it in the box -- and then you
walk
> out of the store with items in your hands, thus exposing yourself
> to risk of a shoplifting accusation?
Or you could do like I did: I told the cashier which ones needed individual
bags for the TFT program and she cheerfully bagged them up seperately for
me. No muss, no fuss. I mean we (her, I, the toys and the bags) were all
withing 2' of each other at any given point in time.
> I also detest WalMart for their predatory practices which have destroyed
> locally-owned businesses in many small towns, including abandoned
> stores that cannot be rented to anyone else selling anything that
> WalMart sells.
Well I just thought that was "being in business" but, whatever, I happen to
like WalMart. They support many little local programs that need funding,
cheerfully and easily.
I asked what would happen with all the tags left on the Xmas tree of Gifts
when time ran out and they told me the employees donate $1 each Friday if
they want to wear jeans to work. They take the year's worth of money (times
several hundred employees) and shop for the remaining gifts on the tree so
no child goes ungifted.
Volfie (they are OK in my book)
Kris Baker
Lady Taker <Vol...@aol.comBV1> wrote in message
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>
> "Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote:
> > So you go to WalMart and buy some things, including a toy for the
> > TFT box, and your things are put in one or two bags. IF you comply
> > with the unknown WalMart rule, you have to use one of your bags
> > to put the TFT toy in before putting it in the box -- and then you
> walk
> > out of the store with items in your hands, thus exposing yourself
> > to risk of a shoplifting accusation?
>
> Or you could do like I did: I told the cashier which ones needed
individual
> bags for the TFT program and she cheerfully bagged them up seperately for
> me. No muss, no fuss. I mean we (her, I, the toys and the bags) were all
> withing 2' of each other at any given point in time.
>
> > I also detest WalMart for their predatory practices which have destroyed
> > locally-owned businesses in many small towns, including abandoned
> > stores that cannot be rented to anyone else selling anything that
> > WalMart sells.
>
> Well I just thought that was "being in business" but, whatever, I happen
to
> like WalMart. They support many little local programs that need funding,
> cheerfully and easily.
Yes, it's business - but they're more predatory than most. Their
scheme
is to first compete with the small businesses, but not in the same area.
They move to the outskirts of town (where zoning is looser), build one
of their smaller stores, and once they've captured the market, they
abandon that one (letting it sit vacant) and open a SuperStore.
I've done too much travelling, and seen abandoned business areas in
small towns, to not know what's going on. They've literally moved the
business districts of many towns to the outskirts -- thus, not only the
small "competing" merchants close, but the movie theater, bakery,
downtown restaurants, and other subsidiary businesses close.
> I asked what would happen with all the tags left on the Xmas tree of Gifts
> when time ran out and they told me the employees donate $1 each Friday if
> they want to wear jeans to work. They take the year's worth of money
(times
> several hundred employees) and shop for the remaining gifts on the tree so
> no child goes ungifted.
But that's not charity, Volfie. That's like "taxing" their own
(underpaid)
employees, and increasing their own sales in the process. Another
thing to think about: is that $52 "contribution" that the
jeans-wearing
employees give deductible on the employees' tax returns, or does
WalMart get the credit?
Plus (and this is something a local merchant told me, who does
something similar): this is done at the end of the Christmas
shopping period, so that the "purchased" items are those which
would likely have gone unsold if not "donated".
> Volfie (they are OK in my book)
They don't have anything I really want, so they're easy to ignore ;)
Kris
Laura Burchard
Michael Lonergan <fur...@claqueNOT.net> wrote:
>I don't know the fine details of this but if I read the article correctly,
>the toys were to be wrapped or in a Wal-Mart bag to show the toys had been
>purchased. I can see people buying a toy and in their rush forgetting to
>bag the toy, while putting it in the bin on the way out the door. I can
>also see employees seeing unwrapped toys in the bin and thinking someone
>didn't want the toy and just put it there like so many people do. They just
>put an item anywhere because they decided not to purchase it.
>
>I don't think Wal-Mart is "stealing" from Toys for Tots. I think the entire
>thing was probably a big misunderstanding. Wal-Mart allowed the bin in
>their store. Apparently they don't monitor the bins. I also understand how
>a mistake could have been made thinking the toys may not have been paid for.
>I don't think Wal-Mart is the bad guy here but I do think they could have
>kicked in some toys after the mistake was discovered.
Every donation bin I've ever seen was beyond the checkout. If that was so,
and considering Walmart monitors people exiting the doors both officially
(security guards) and unofficially (greeter), then they know perfectly
well that substantial amounts of toys weren't leaving the store, and
putting toys back on the shelves is plain theft; if I was someone who had
donated I'd damn well think about asking the police department for
charges.
If they were stupid and put the box farther into the body of the store,
the response, upon discovering the error, is not to steal the sincerely
donated toys for the admixture of accidentally or deliberately unpaid
ones, but to move the box and write the lost toys off as experience and
good will.
--
Laura Burchard -- l...@radix.net -- http://www.radix.net/~lhb
"Good design is clear thinking made visible." -- Edward Tufte
Lady Taker
"Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote:
> But that's not charity, Volfie. That's like "taxing" their own
> (underpaid)
> employees, and increasing their own sales in the process. Another
> thing to think about: is that $52 "contribution" that the
> jeans-wearing
> employees give deductible on the employees' tax returns, or does
> WalMart get the credit?
The $1/jean's day thing is not manatory. No one HAS to participate. But
the program was set up so that the employees could have a "casual day" and
there would be a Xmas fund for needy kids. I don't see anything wrong with
any of that. It's better than all the big businesses who do NOTHING.
Walmart gets no "credit" from it that I'm aware of unless it's being
remembered in someone's prayers.
And, frankly, if that's what they did with my $1 week I damn well would take
it off my tax returns -- for all the difference that would make to anyone.
> Plus (and this is something a local merchant told me, who does
> something similar): this is done at the end of the Christmas
> shopping period, so that the "purchased" items are those which
> would likely have gone unsold if not "donated".
Look, they make sure that each kid who filled out a tag for the tree gets a
present. You may not think that's a nice gesture but I do. If we were just
relying on community goodwill very few of those kids would get anything.
That tree had a shitload of tags a few weeks ago and except for maybe a
dozen that are gone, there are a shitload left on there. How many people do
you know of that bother to buy a gift (or gifts) for unknown kids?
They donate money to several small community projects and they sponsor
community events. I think their heart is in the right place even if
everything they do can be nitpicked to death in a dozen ways. (And I think
any big business can be nitpicked to death in the same ways -- but for some
reason everyone seems to want to vent their spleen on Walmart.)
Volfie (glad the kids will get gifts even if it IS from the Jean Day money
fund)
My funny face
tiny dancer
"Laura Burchard" <l...@radix.net> wrote in message
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Totally agree here, any toy bins I've seen have been well beyond the point
of check out.......and Walmart is crawling with 'watchers'........the
'greeters' grab on to you the moment you enter the store.....and the guards
are at the exits.
td
tiny dancer
"My funny face" <myfun...@aol.comNoDuh> wrote in message
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> TD-
> where did you see this article, on Wal-mart restocking shelves with toy
drive
> items?
> Thanks in advance.
I got to it in kind of a round about way, was reading a different news story
and a section came up to click on for 'Odd News Stories' .......something
like that, and there were about 5 or 6 "odd-type" stories. When I get back
online I'll see if I can track it down again.
td
tiny dancer
"Teresa" <ctfedor@at&tbi.com> wrote in message
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Thanks Teresa, you saved me the time and trouble.
td
>
>
JC
"tiny dancer" <tinyda...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
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This store manager's a moron. The Wal-Mart chain needs folks like him like
they need leprosy. Fancy taking toys from the gift bin. If he couldn't
figure out a way of keeping that damn bin secure, what's he doing looking
after an entire store. What a nut.
JC
mothra...@claque.net
They have a *real* bad reputation for not promoting women beyond a
certain point, not permitting women into executive training programs,
and their employee-purchased health insurance plan doesn't, according to
an article in The Nation 12/16, cover prescribed oral contraceptives.
There are several class-action lawsuits in the works right now, in fact,
brought by women who feel they've been discriminated against or sexually
harassed on the job--Dukes v. Wal-Mart in California, for one.
Martha
Lady Taker
<mothra...@claque.net> wrote:
> They have a *real* bad reputation for not promoting women beyond a
> certain point, not permitting women into executive training programs,
> and their employee-purchased health insurance plan doesn't, according to
> an article in The Nation 12/16, cover prescribed oral contraceptives.
Not unusual at all. Viagra, however, is almost always covered. (Wonder
what ol' Mikey Snyder has to say about that?) I worked for a Fortune 500
company who didn't cover oral contraceptives.
> There are several class-action lawsuits in the works right now, in fact,
> brought by women who feel they've been discriminated against or sexually
> harassed on the job--Dukes v. Wal-Mart in California, for one.
>
> Martha
Also nothing new. How many companies has that happened to? While I don't
remember any specific lawsuits against my company, it was a well-know fact
that there was a glass ceiling in place and you WOULD hit it if you were the
wrong sex. Most didn't make waves simply because the perks outweighed the
limits.
Volfie (but, again, it always seems that Walmart takes the brunt of the shit
when there are lots of other companies doing the exact same thing)
Kris Baker
Lady Taker <Vol...@aol.comBV1> wrote in message
>
> Look, they make sure that each kid who filled out a tag for the tree gets
a
> present. You may not think that's a nice gesture but I do. If we were
just
> relying on community goodwill very few of those kids would get anything.
> That tree had a shitload of tags a few weeks ago and except for maybe a
> dozen that are gone, there are a shitload left on there. How many people
do
> you know of that bother to buy a gift (or gifts) for unknown kids?
My husband and I sponsor a child every Christmas, purchasing everything
on their "wish list" plus some extras.
One thing we do is make sure we pick an older child, as most people
want to give to the "cute" babies and toddlers. I'll bet the names left
on the tree at the WalMart you go to are those of older kids. I feel
sorriest for them, as they're likely to be harrassed by their peers as
school.
> They donate money to several small community projects and they sponsor
> community events. I think their heart is in the right place even if
> everything they do can be nitpicked to death in a dozen ways. (And I
think
> any big business can be nitpicked to death in the same ways -- but for
some
> reason everyone seems to want to vent their spleen on Walmart.)
>
> Volfie (glad the kids will get gifts even if it IS from the Jean Day money
> fund)
I am, too, Volfie -- I didn't say I wasn't.
I just don't like "toot your own horn" efforts by major corporations,
including Target and several local food chains.
Kris
Lady Taker
"Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote:
> I just don't like "toot your own horn" efforts by major corporations,
> including Target and several local food chains.
Yeah, Kris, but I worked for a HUGE international company (think: chemicals)
and I donated $10 a week to their payroll deduction United Way campaign. I
gave more than the Plant Manager on that site. Do you think that I got
kudos for that? Of course not. They got all the plagues and the awards and
all the fame -- such is the name of the game. And I didn't do it to give
them their moment in the sun or to get my own. I did it because I wanted to
do it.
Volfie (thinks that it is just the end result that matters, all in all, and
not how you get there)
Lady Taker
> They got all the plagues
ROFLMAO.
Now THAT'S a Freudian Slip!
Volfie (oh, god, that was a hoot!)
Cricket
"Lady Taker" <Vol...@aol.comBV1> wrote in message
I was just wondering whether that was poor typing or good prognosticating!!
shar...@mindspring.com
Lady Taker <Vol...@aol.comBV1> wrote
More likely, wishful thinking.
Lady Taker <Vol...@aol.comBV1>
> Yeah, Kris, but I worked for a HUGE international company (think:
chemicals)
> and I donated $10 a week to their payroll deduction United Way
campaign. I
> gave more than the Plant Manager on that site.
How do you know? Most Fair Share contributors pledge the equivalent of
one hour's pay per week (?) to UW. Are you saying your $10/hour was more
that the Plant Manager's pledge, but again how and why would you know
that private information?
Do HUGE international companies, chemical, have some moral imperative to
"perform" charitable works? If you begrudge your "charity", it is well
within your scope of descretion to choose to not participate.
> Do you think that I got
> kudos for that?
Do you require kudos? Are you sure you beat your chest loudly enough?
Did you make sure everyone in your work unit was aware of your
sacrifice? After all, $10/week is a lot of money.
> Of course not. They got all the plagues and the awards and
> all the fame -- such is the name of the game. And I didn't do it to
give
> them their moment in the sun or to get my own. I did it because I
wanted to
> do it.
Oh, c'mon...don't hide your light under a bushel! You wouldn't have
written this post if you didn't have your nose in a knot.
> Volfie (thinks that it is just the end result that matters, all in
all, and
> not how you get there)
Uh huh......
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Lady Taker
<shar...@mindspring.com> wrote
<same old snarks, different snarking day>
Hey, olPoHo, you crusty, rusty, dried up old Usenet has-been, why don't you
go do some good deeds for Xmas instead of hanging around here snarking at
your betters?
Volfie (just a suggestion to save your black soul because, face it, your
next MI is comin' 'round the corner at the speed of light)
P.S. HTH
Michael Lonergan
> and considering Walmart monitors people exiting the doors both officially
> (security guards) and unofficially (greeter), then they know perfectly
> well that substantial amounts of toys weren't leaving the store, and
> putting toys back on the shelves is plain theft; if I was someone who had
> donated I'd damn well think about asking the police department for
> charges.
So you believe Walmart management waited for the bin to become full and then
stole all the toys? For what purpose? A few hundred dollars worth of toys
is certainly not going to make a dent in any type of inventory loss or gain
they may experience. Did they do it out of mean spiritedness?
>
> If they were stupid and put the box farther into the body of the store,
> the response, upon discovering the error, is not to steal the sincerely
> donated toys for the admixture of accidentally or deliberately unpaid
> ones, but to move the box and write the lost toys off as experience and
> good will.
While I agree the best policy in this case would have been to replace the
toys, Walmart is apparently not obligated to do so. Nor are they obligated
to allow the toy bin in the store in the first place.
Michael
Kris Baker
Lady Taker <Vol...@aol.comBV1> wrote in message
OMG! If I still had that "goofs" webpage, it'd be on the top ;)
Kris
tiny dancer
"Michael Lonergan" <fur...@claqueNOT.net> wrote in message
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But once they 'have' allowed it into their store, are they 'allowed' to
remove something from it? People who steal things from Goodwill Bins are
prosecuted, wouldn't this be the same sort of thing? The bin was allowed in
the store by Walmart, and once something is placed in that bin it becomes a
donation to the organization Toy's for Tot's.
td
Michael Lonergan
>
>
>
> But once they 'have' allowed it into their store, are they 'allowed' to
> remove something from it?
I don't know what the agreement between Toys for Tots and Walmart is.
>People who steal things from Goodwill Bins are
> prosecuted, wouldn't this be the same sort of thing?
I don't know if this would be considered the same type of thing or not. I
don't really think it is the same type of thing.
>The bin was allowed in
> the store by Walmart, and once something is placed in that bin it becomes
a
> donation to the organization Toy's for Tot's.
Yes, I would think it is the property of Toys for Tots at that point but I'm
not clear on Walmart's actual responsibility for the bin and it's content.
The manager does not sound like he should be in any type of service
business, that's for sure. I feel he exercised about the poorest judgement
possible. The bad PR on this one incident alone just wouldn't be worth the
cost of a bin of toys.
Michael
tiny dancer
"Michael Lonergan" <fur...@claqueNOT.net> wrote in message
>
> "tiny dancer" <tinyda...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cIeJ9.8354$Fq3.5...@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > But once they 'have' allowed it into their store, are they 'allowed' to
> > remove something from it?
>
> I don't know what the agreement between Toys for Tots and Walmart is.
>
> >People who steal things from Goodwill Bins are
> > prosecuted, wouldn't this be the same sort of thing?
>
> I don't know if this would be considered the same type of thing or not. I
> don't really think it is the same type of thing.
>
> >The bin was allowed in
> > the store by Walmart, and once something is placed in that bin it
becomes
> a
> > donation to the organization Toy's for Tot's.
>
> Yes, I would think it is the property of Toys for Tots at that point but
I'm
> not clear on Walmart's actual responsibility for the bin and it's content.
> The manager does not sound like he should be in any type of service
> business, that's for sure. I feel he exercised about the poorest
judgement
> possible. The bad PR on this one incident alone just wouldn't be worth
the
> cost of a bin of toys.
>
> Michael
I'll certainly agree with you there. Talk about a Grinch Story, what could
be worse at Christmas time than taking toys away that are meant for needy
kids........geez!
td
Hester888Mofet
<<
My husband and I sponsor a child every Christmas, purchasing everything
on their "wish list" plus some extras.
One thing we do is make sure we pick an older child, as most people
want to give to the "cute" babies and toddlers. I'll bet the names left
on the tree at the WalMart you go to are those of older kids. I feel
sorriest for them, as they're likely to be harrassed by their peers as
school.
Kris, this may sound corny, but I really want to thank you for doing that.
Disadvantaged children don't stop needing assistance once they've grown out of
the "poster child" age group. In addition, for those looking to do a good deed
this holiday season (or anytime) do something for disadvantaged adults with
mental illnesses and developmental disabilities. Remember, those cute kids you
help grow into adults who still need help. They are often forgotten about
because they are over 18 and thought to be able to "fend for themselves" when
nothing could be further from the truth in some cases.
I want to thank anyone who sees a "Giving Tree" display and takes a tag. You
have no idea how much help these give the agencies that put them up. DCFS has a
budget of approximately $20 a kid for holiday gifts. Through these trees and
other programs like them, the children are able to have a nice holiday,
including meals and outings. Some of these children have, honestly, never had a
Christmas party or Christmas presents or a Christmas meal. These donations
allow the agencies to provide these things for the children and I am very
thankful for everyone's help. I cannot speak for the agencies I have worked
for, but I can tell you first hand how much of a difference it has made in the
lives of the children in our care.
Thank you again.
Hester Mofet (who is sorry if she sounds way too sappy)
Nan Scott
"Lady Taker" <Vol...@aol.comBV1> wrote in message
>
> "Michael Lonergan" <fur...@claqueNOT.net> wrote:
> > I don't know the fine details of this but if I read the article
correctly,
> > the toys were to be wrapped or in a Wal-Mart bag to show the toys had
been
> > purchased. I can see people buying a toy and in their rush forgetting
to
> > bag the toy, while putting it in the bin on the way out the door. I can
> > also see employees seeing unwrapped toys in the bin and thinking someone
> > didn't want the toy and just put it there like so many people do. They
> just
> > put an item anywhere because they decided not to purchase it.
>
> Exactly. That's how it is here. All toys must be in Walmart bags. It's
> simple good sense if nothing else.
It is a collection point. There is nothing that states that the toys need
to be bought at Walmart to be included. Additionally, what if the item is
removed from the bag after purchase and dropped in the collection point?
Baggers frequently put multiple items in bags and they have no way of
knowing that an item is purchased specifically for the Toys for Tots program
rather than a regular purchase. In most places the Toys for Tots collection
points are beyond the cash registers near the entry/exit points. That
sounds like that is a manager who has found a way to up his store's
profitablity for the Christmas season. Typical of Walmart crookedness and
dishonesty, IMO.
Nan Scott
"Michael Lonergan" <fur...@claqueNOT.net> wrote in message
Nobody in Walmart management put the bin there out of the goodness of their
hearts. They put it there because they wanted people to buy toys from them
to donate and increase their profit margins. Crooked as dogs hind legs.
Lady Taker
"Nan Scott" <nansche...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
> It is a collection point. There is nothing that states that the toys need
> to be bought at Walmart to be included.
Correct. The article said a bag and somehow that turned into a "Walmart"
bag but I'm not sure that was specified. Do you really REALLY think that
Walmart wouldn't accept a properly *bagged* gift from another store? I'll
tell you what, Scrooge, I'll try it later today. I have a few more tags in
my purse and I'll buy one elsewhere and see if they accept it. Will THAT
shut you up if they do?
>Additionally, what if the item is
> removed from the bag after purchase and dropped in the collection point?
That seems to be the problem, doesn't it? In case you can't grasp the
issue, here it is in simple words: NO BAG = BAD IDEA.
> Baggers frequently put multiple items in bags and they have no way of
> knowing that an item is purchased specifically for the Toys for Tots
program
> rather than a regular purchase.
Here's an idea. Look the checker in the eye, smile and say, "Could you put
that in a separate bag, please? It's for the TfT program." Wow. Not
exactly rocket science, is it?
> In most places the Toys for Tots collection
> points are beyond the cash registers near the entry/exit points. That
> sounds like that is a manager who has found a way to up his store's
> profitablity for the Christmas season.
Oh, yeah. A couple hundred extra dollars nipped from the TfT bin and he'll
probably be on the Board of Directors now. What a diabolical scheme.
Typical of Walmart crookedness and
> dishonesty, IMO.
Yes, by all mean, let's paint an entire corporation for the mistake made at
ONE store.
Volfie (yes, they are the evil of the world and we should be going after
them instead of Bin Laden because they probably will bring about the end of
the world as we know it if we don't stop them RIGHT NOW. <- sarcasm.
Lots.)
crosem
local state school for persons with mental retardation. We are provided a
list upon which each person listed TWO items. Their wishes are so modest,
one becomes ashamed of all one has.
sweat shirt sweat pants
red lipstick, nail polish hat and scarf for winter
and so on.
We got each person 5 times what they asked for, had $50 left over to donate
for a party.
There was an interesting article on happiness in USA TODAY the other
day...it said one is most happy when doing for others...so true.
"Hester888Mofet" <hester8...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Nan Scott
"Lady Taker" <Vol...@aol.comBV1> wrote in message
>
> "Nan Scott" <nansche...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
> > It is a collection point. There is nothing that states that the toys
need
> > to be bought at Walmart to be included.
>
> Correct. The article said a bag and somehow that turned into a "Walmart"
> bag but I'm not sure that was specified. Do you really REALLY think that
> Walmart wouldn't accept a properly *bagged* gift from another store?
I'll
> tell you what, Scrooge, I'll try it later today. I have a few more tags
in
> my purse and I'll buy one elsewhere and see if they accept it. Will THAT
> shut you up if they do?
From the discription, he was removing toys from a Toys for Tots bin that he
had NO proof were not properly given to Toys for Tots. There is no
indication that at that store (and there is certainly none at the two
Walmarts I have been in this season) that a bag was required. There is no
indication that the toy bin was in another location other than outside the
checkout lines, the way they are in every other store that collects for Toys
for Tots. He simply made the assumption that any toy not in a store bag was
fair game for him to remove (steal to put it plainly) and place on the
Walmart shelves. No proof offer that the items were not properly added to
the Toys for Tots bin.
>
> >Additionally, what if the item is
> > removed from the bag after purchase and dropped in the collection point?
>
> That seems to be the problem, doesn't it? In case you can't grasp the
> issue, here it is in simple words: NO BAG = BAD IDEA.
Since there seems to have been no indication to those who were donating to
Toys for Tots that bagging the items was needed. In case you can't grasp
the issue, here it is in simple words: STEALING ITEMS FROM THE TOYS FOR
TOTS BIN TO RESELL = BAD IDEA.
>
> > Baggers frequently put multiple items in bags and they have no way of
> > knowing that an item is purchased specifically for the Toys for Tots
> program
> > rather than a regular purchase.
>
> Here's an idea. Look the checker in the eye, smile and say, "Could you
put
> that in a separate bag, please? It's for the TfT program." Wow. Not
> exactly rocket science, is it?
>
Unless there was some sort of clear indication that that was a requirement,
why should someone bother to do that? It is certainly no business of the
checker to know whether the items are being bought for Toys for Tots or to
be taken out and burned, as long as the items are paid for. The store
manager had no proof that the items were not paid for.
> > In most places the Toys for Tots collection
> > points are beyond the cash registers near the entry/exit points. That
> > sounds like that is a manager who has found a way to up his store's
> > profitablity for the Christmas season.
>
> Oh, yeah. A couple hundred extra dollars nipped from the TfT bin and
he'll
> probably be on the Board of Directors now. What a diabolical scheme.
Not really, but it does indicate that he is more concerned about the
extremely unlikely case of petty theft cutting into his store's profitablity
and his subsequent year end bonus than the image of the company in the
community.
>
> Typical of Walmart crookedness and
> > dishonesty, IMO.
>
> Yes, by all mean, let's paint an entire corporation for the mistake made
at
> ONE store.
>
> Volfie (yes, they are the evil of the world and we should be going after
> them instead of Bin Laden because they probably will bring about the end
of
> the world as we know it if we don't stop them RIGHT NOW. <- sarcasm.
> Lots.)
Walmart, like many large corporations (and individuals, I will grant you)
does have a history of being more concerned with the bottom line than
anything that could be interpreted as social good. Overconcern for the
bottom line does make an individual, store, or corporation, look bad because
it is bad for the society at large. This action made the individual
manager, the store and the company look bad. This grinch hopes that the
company has enough concern for its image to replace the toys and permit the
manager to celebrate the holidays on the unemployment line.
Lady Taker
"crosem" <cro...@flash.net> wrote in message
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> you don't sound sappy. My office (50 people) sponsors 10 persons from the
> local state school for persons with mental retardation. We are provided a
> list upon which each person listed TWO items. Their wishes are so modest,
> one becomes ashamed of all one has.
> sweat shirt sweat pants
>
> red lipstick, nail polish hat and scarf for winter
>
>
> and so on.
It's heartbreaking sometimes. On a few of the tags I saw: a 15 year old
girl asking for underwear (what state of desperation makes a teen have to
ask for underwear?) and a 10 year old girl who wore a woman's size XL who
wanted a pair of slacks. Lots of requests for boots and gloves. Then
there were insanely frivolous ones: a motorcycle, for example. (Yes, I
looked several times but it was a teenager and he was not asking for a toy.)
One child wanted a lava lamp. One wanted a necklace. The last two I
understand from the mind of a child but the motorcycle one will forever
baffle me. But, you're right, it does make you think of how much you have
and how very little it takes to make someone's day. I wish they would let
you put more than requested in the bags but they do put a dollar limit on
the purchase so that all children get around the same amount of money spent
on them.
Volfie (cue Tiny Tim)
shar...@mindspring.com
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Lady Taker <Vol...@aol.comBV1> wrote
> Hey, olPoHo, you crusty, rusty, dried up old Usenet has-been, why
don't you
> go do some good deeds for Xmas instead of hanging around here snarking
at
> your betters?
Har!!! Got caught with your pants down again, eh? When are you going to
learn to quit showing your ass?
I support my community with time, money, energy, and commitment year
round, though I do go a little overboard at Christmas.I can safely say I
match your $10/week.
As long as maggots and blow flies are *your* betters, *you* are better
off eschewing a facade of respectability.
> Volfie (just a suggestion to save your black soul because, face it,
your
> next MI is comin' 'round the corner at the speed of light)
>
> P.S. HTH
What's a "Usenet has-been?"
What's an "MI?"
Are you, furball, and Desi a dynamic duo of moribund gloom-n-doom?
Are you having fun RLing me?
Have you located any publication archives?
HAHAHAHAHAHA......
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Michael Snyder
> <mothra...@claque.net> wrote:
> > They have a *real* bad reputation for not promoting women beyond a
> > certain point, not permitting women into executive training programs,
> > and their employee-purchased health insurance plan doesn't, according to
> > an article in The Nation 12/16, cover prescribed oral contraceptives.
>
> Not unusual at all. Viagra, however, is almost always covered. (Wonder
> what ol' Mikey Snyder has to say about that?)
Mikey says you're a liar. Most health plans do not cover Viagra.
> Also nothing new. How many companies has that happened to? While I don't
> remember any specific lawsuits against my company, it was a well-know fact
> that there was a glass ceiling in place and you WOULD hit it if you were the
> wrong sex.
The glass ceiling is another feminist myth. Women have not been in
the executive track as long as men have. There are fewer of them
there even now. But the number of women executives increases every
year, just as it should -- as the early starters make their way thru
the same pipeline that men have to go thru.
To expect there to be the same number of women executives as men
NOW is absolutely rediculous. To achieve that, you would have to
promote women helter-skelter, simply for being women.
Michael Lonergan
"Nan Scott" <nansche...@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> It is a collection point. There is nothing that states that the toys need
> to be bought at Walmart to be included. Additionally, what if the item is
> removed from the bag after purchase and dropped in the collection point?
> Baggers frequently put multiple items in bags and they have no way of
> knowing that an item is purchased specifically for the Toys for Tots
program
> rather than a regular purchase. In most places the Toys for Tots
collection
> points are beyond the cash registers near the entry/exit points. That
> sounds like that is a manager who has found a way to up his store's
> profitablity for the Christmas season. Typical of Walmart crookedness and
> dishonesty, IMO.
I'm not a Wal-Mart shopper ordinarily so I really know nothing about the
alleged crookedness and dishonesty you've expressed. I can not, in any way,
shape or form see how robbing a Toys for Tots bin would boost a Wal-Mart's
profitability. It's not like people are dropping VCRs, TVs, computers or
other high ticket items into these bins. Wal-Mart does an enormous volume
of business. The toy bins couldn't possibly make much of a difference in
the bottom line P&L for one Wal-Mart store.
Michael
tiny dancer
"Michael Lonergan" <fur...@claqueNOT.net> wrote in message
Well I'm wondering how Wal-Mart decides these toys weren't purchased? The
bin sits up in the front of the store, past the checkout point, so how did
these toys get into the bin if not 'after' someone checking out? Do they
think people just continously take toys a put them in there or what? I'm
not a fan of Wal Mart, the stores are kind of dark and dingy around here
anyway. But they've always got guards, video tapes, and those damn
greeters. Just how did all these illicit toys get into the bins?
td
>
>
formica63
> > Also nothing new. How many companies has that happened to? While I
don't
> > remember any specific lawsuits against my company, it was a well-know
fact
> > that there was a glass ceiling in place and you WOULD hit it if you were
the
> > wrong sex.
Michael:
> The glass ceiling is another feminist myth. Women have not been in
> the executive track as long as men have. There are fewer of them
> there even now.
Uh, and why is that? Some kind of myth sitting on their heads?
Formy.
yaffaDina
Good question! Let's see... hmmm... *I* can't think of any coherent
reason why we've been on the executive track for less time than men. It
wouldn't be anything to do with being kept off it would it? Now, what
woman would keep herself and her daughters, sisters, friends,
classmates, next door neighbors, off the executive track. Hmmm.
Certainly in the last 30 odd years you'd expect to have a figure at
least approaching 50% but we aren't even close to that. I wonder why.
What a mystery.
And what about governors, senators, another mystery, hmmm? When did
women get the vote in America? I wonder if it could be anything to do
with any other group not wanting to share; with the non-egalitarian view
of the members of that group who only see women in terms of physical
appearances, often *very* crudely expressed, and .... nah!
Interesting, though that it is a m ale who says the glass ceiling does
not exist, or that's my interpretation of "The glass ceiling is another
feminist myth" and it may be that Michael meant something completely
different. I just wish we had some good myths.
yD
tiny dancer
"Michael Snyder" <msn...@redhat.com> wrote in message
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> "Lady Taker" <Vol...@aol.comBV1> wrote in message
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> > <mothra...@claque.net> wrote:
> > > They have a *real* bad reputation for not promoting women beyond a
> > > certain point, not permitting women into executive training programs,
> > > and their employee-purchased health insurance plan doesn't, according
to
> > > an article in The Nation 12/16, cover prescribed oral contraceptives.
> >
> > Not unusual at all. Viagra, however, is almost always covered. (Wonder
> > what ol' Mikey Snyder has to say about that?)
>
> Mikey says you're a liar. Most health plans do not cover Viagra.
Most health plans do cover Viagra now mikey. Our insurance is with one of
the largest providers in the country. They cover Viagra at the rate of two
doseages per week, it's written right into the policy.
td
d~
wrote:
>To expect there to be the same number of women executives as men
>NOW is absolutely rediculous. To achieve that, you would have to
>promote women helter-skelter, simply for being women.
God! you're an asshole.
HOW did you worm your way out of my killfile!
d~ (PUI)
Michael Lonergan
>
>
> Well I'm wondering how Wal-Mart decides these toys weren't purchased? The
> bin sits up in the front of the store, past the checkout point, so how did
> these toys get into the bin if not 'after' someone checking out? Do they
> think people just continously take toys a put them in there or what? I'm
> not a fan of Wal Mart, the stores are kind of dark and dingy around here
> anyway. But they've always got guards, video tapes, and those damn
> greeters. Just how did all these illicit toys get into the bins?
>
> td
I doubt that Wal-Mart has any type of policy on the bin. My guess is, this
one manager had some sort of issue and took matters into his own hands. I
seriously doubt the entire Wal-Mart corporation condones the emptying of
Toys for Tots bins.
Michael
Steven Scharf
> If they were stupid and put the box farther into the body of the store,
> the response, upon discovering the error, is not to steal the sincerely
> donated toys for the admixture of accidentally or deliberately unpaid
> ones, but to move the box and write the lost toys off as experience and
> good will.
Well said.
I think that it would be nice if some marketing exec at
Target offered to replace all the stolen toys, and brought
them, in Target bags, to the Walmart.
JC
"Steven Scharf" <sch...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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O, that's a brilliant idea! Wouldn't that be great!?
JC
tiny dancer
I'd love to see that, in fact I might just venture into our local Wal-Mart
and drop off a toy in a Target bag. Thanks
td
misn...@webtv.net
Steven Scharf
> I'd love to see that, in fact I might just venture into our local Wal-Mart
> and drop off a toy in a Target bag. Thanks
While I hate Walmart as much as the next guy, let's not
forget that this was ONE manager at ONE store who is an
idiot.
What has Walmart Corporate down about this situation? It
isn't clear from the news stories. Demoting the manager,
making him apologize for his poor judgement, and donating
a few thousand toys would end all the fuss, and they'd come
out of this looking good.
I'd be really furious if I had been one of the customers
who donated a toy and had had it returned to the shelf.
I just donated three toys to the Giving Tree at work,
bought at Target and Toys R Us.
tiny dancer
news:<OLcK9.18294$Rt1.9...@twister.southeast.rr.com>...
>
> > I'd love to see that, in fact I might just venture into our local
Wal-Mart
> > and drop off a toy in a Target bag. Thanks
>
> While I hate Walmart as much as the next guy, let's not
> forget that this was ONE manager at ONE store who is an
> idiot.
>
> What has Walmart Corporate down about this situation? It
> isn't clear from the news stories. Demoting the manager,
> making him apologize for his poor judgement, and donating
> a few thousand toys would end all the fuss, and they'd come
> out of this looking good.
>
> I'd be really furious if I had been one of the customers
> who donated a toy and had had it returned to the shelf.
That was exactly why I'd posted this to begin with, if I had purchased a toy
to be given to a child and found out it had possibly been returned to the
shelves and resold I'd be so angry. I can't imagine any store doing such a
thing. I'd think a store might say 'well next year we won't have that bin
in here, or we'll moniter it better, etc. Hell, that could be one of the
'greeters' duties........I'd rather have 'em 'hounding the bin' at Christmas
than stalking me down as I enter the store anyway. ;-)
td
D'oh
the shelf for some other sucker to buy. I assume they hope someone will
eventually just keep it or lose the receipt. If you return something, put a
little tiny mark on the box somewhere. Look the next day and see if it's
been put back on the shelf.
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Michael Lonergan
"D'oh" <simp...@asdlfjaklfdghsdf.asd> wrote in message
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> If you return a damaged item to our local Wal-Mart they will put it back
on
> the shelf for some other sucker to buy. I assume they hope someone will
> eventually just keep it or lose the receipt. If you return something, put
a
> little tiny mark on the box somewhere. Look the next day and see if it's
> been put back on the shelf.
How many times have you noticed this? Once, twice... many times? I find it
difficult to believe a huge chain like Wal-Mart has a company wide policy to
pass defective merchandise off on the unsuspecting public. Why would they
go through the effort? Would it not be easier and more cost effective to
pack the damaged/defective item once; send it back to the manufacturer for
a credit or refund rather than repack it and put it back on the shelf over
and over again in the hope the consumer loses a receipt?
Michael
tiny dancer
"Michael Lonergan" <fur...@claqueNOT.net> wrote in message
I don't know Michael, having worked in retail a bit myself I'm shocked at
what goes on 'behind the scenes' at some stores. The 'stuff' they tell you
to tell the public and the crap they pull. I'm sure there are some
reputable stores.......but for the most part I wouldn't trust anything much
most of 'em had to say. I was lucky, I didn't work 'for the money'.......I
worked just to get out of the house and be around people a bit. In retail I
could set my own hours, be home for my kids when they got out of school,
etc. Having this 'freedom' I was never 'required to do' what the other
employee's who 'needed their jobs' were.......basically because they knew I
wouldn't do the stuff I didn't 'like', yet I was a good employee, my
immediate supervisior didn't want to lose me. That said, some of the
directives that came down from 'headquarters' just blew my mind. Some of
the 'crap' we were supposed to tell people. I wouldn't put anything past
Wal-Mart.
td
>
>
Michael Lonergan
>
>
>
> I don't know Michael, having worked in retail a bit myself I'm shocked at
> what goes on 'behind the scenes' at some stores. The 'stuff' they tell
you
> to tell the public and the crap they pull. I'm sure there are some
> reputable stores.......but for the most part I wouldn't trust anything
much
> most of 'em had to say. I was lucky, I didn't work 'for the
money'.......I
> worked just to get out of the house and be around people a bit. In retail
I
> could set my own hours, be home for my kids when they got out of school,
> etc. Having this 'freedom' I was never 'required to do' what the other
> employee's who 'needed their jobs' were.......basically because they knew
I
> wouldn't do the stuff I didn't 'like', yet I was a good employee, my
> immediate supervisior didn't want to lose me. That said, some of the
> directives that came down from 'headquarters' just blew my mind. Some of
> the 'crap' we were supposed to tell people. I wouldn't put anything past
> Wal-Mart.
>
> td
As in any business I don't doubt the shady areas but you'll never convince
me any retailer will continue to put defective merchandise on the shelves,
repeatedly, in the hopes some schmuck will forget his/her receipt and get
stuck with it.
Michael
tiny dancer
"Michael Lonergan" <fur...@claqueNOT.net> wrote in message
I wasn't really responding that that as much as Wal-Mart reselling the toys.
I'd imagine that decision is made by the store manager as their bonus is
decided upon by the amount of sales at their particular store. The more
sales he rings up the larger his bonus. But I will say I have seen
defective stuff returned to the shelves after someone brought it back to the
store. Guess I'm just on a downer, can't seem to get any Christmas spirit
this year, what with losing a week to the ice storm........I haven't done a
thing yet, and should be doing something right now besides sitting here, but
I swear I'd rather do anything than make out Christmas cards right about
now. I'm in a true 'bah humbug' mood this year! :-(
td
>
>
shar...@mindspring.com
tiny dancer <tinyda...@nospamhotmail.com
>
> "Michael Lonergan" <fur...@claqueNOT.net> wrote
Michael is right. Why hasn't there been a follow-up to this story?
Perhaps because it was just another of Tiny's triggers?
I don't know if WalMart resold the toys or not, does anyone? Apparently
the story was not worth following up. Could that be because it was a
sensationalistic load of bullshit?
Your being on a "downer" doesn't excuse your irresponsible accusations.
I hope someone forwards this "I have seen defective stuff returned to
the shelves" to WalMart just for grins.
BTW, your "downer" isn't being helped by your frenzied usenet posts;
your posting pattern is scary, tiny.
Michael Lonergan
>
>
> I wasn't really responding that that as much as Wal-Mart reselling the
toys.
> I'd imagine that decision is made by the store manager as their bonus is
> decided upon by the amount of sales at their particular store. The more
> sales he rings up the larger his bonus. But I will say I have seen
> defective stuff returned to the shelves after someone brought it back to
the
> store
So what's the percentage? How much money do you think is tied up in those
toy bins? I would think unless it was 10s of thousands of dollars, it
wouldn't make a dent in any type of bonus. I really don't know where that
manager's head was but he sure couldn't see the sun shine.
> Guess I'm just on a downer, can't seem to get any Christmas spirit
> this year, what with losing a week to the ice storm........I haven't done
a
> thing yet, and should be doing something right now besides sitting here,
but
> I swear I'd rather do anything than make out Christmas cards right about
> now. I'm in a true 'bah humbug' mood this year! :-(
Ah hon, come on over here. We'll do a snifter in front of the fireplace and
make out holiday cards together. Make that several snifters. I've got some
spiced nuts and some cookies. The cookies are honey pecan cookies with a
hint of maple syrup. They're sickeningly sweet and God awful. Worst batch
of cookies I ever made.
Michael
>
> td
spo...@petitmorte.net
news:atgrlo$tt4$1...@slb9.atl.mindspring.net:
> Your being on a "downer" doesn't excuse your irresponsible accusations.
You intended this for Jason, right?
Wait, you were talking to yourself. I knew it!
You *are* going to post that proof that Kevin has been asking you for for
oh... a year or so, right? To back up your irresponsible (and false)
accusations. Will it be soon? This year?
You wouldn' want to wear the Hypocrite Dunce Hat again, would you?
--
The power alone stored in my little hand
Could melt the Eiffel Tower
Turn the Sphinx into sand
DedNdogYrs
what with losing a week to the ice storm...>
Do you get paid when you can't get to work because of snow?
Dogs & children first.
Teresa
<shar...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:atgrlo$tt4$1...@slb9.atl.mindspring.net...
Sterling, Colorado is a small town in the middle of no where.
There web site isn't much of anything, either.
Every day since this story first appeared, I've checked their web
site and only one Letter to the Editor was printed about this story.
No other follow up was posted, that I'm aware of. In a small town
like Sterling, I'm not at all surprised that no follow up was posted.
It could be that the mayor's brother runs the local Wal-Mart, you know.
Here's the link to the original story:
http://www.journal-advocate.com/Stories/0,1413,120%257E7824%257E1032076,00.h
tml?search=filter
Teresa
DedNdogYrs
without receipts. At Walmart, I was allowed to simply replace it with one that
worked, no problem.>
Considering the horrendous abuse of their employees and the damage they do to
the surrounding business community, you would be doing a public serivce to not
shop there, and to write or E-mail the home office in their hick town in
Arkansas and tell them why you're not shoppint there.
Dogs & children first.
Newbaum Turk
(vivisectrix) wrote:
>Michael:
>
>>but you'll never convince me any retailer will continue to put defective
>>merchandise on the shelves, repeatedly, in the hopes some schmuck will
>>forget his/her receipt and get stuck with it.
>
>Actually, I've returned defective merchandise to both Walmart and Fred
>Meyers without receipts. At Walmart, I was allowed to simply replace it
>with one that worked, no problem.
Someone once bought me a window mount AC unit that turned out to be
too big for the window at Wal-Mart. Didn't have the reciept but they
gave me a full cash refund (about $325.00) on the spot after merely
scanning the box. They didn't even check the inside of the box to see
if the AC unit was in there or I had just put rocks in there to
make the box heavy.
Bottom line about Wal-Mart......You can love em or hate em for being
the big corporate machine that they are but they have everything and
their return policy is un-equaled .
Newbaum Turk
<kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote:
>
>I also detest WalMart for their predatory practices which have destroyed
>locally-owned businesses in many small towns, including abandoned
>stores that cannot be rented to anyone else selling anything that
>WalMart sells.
>
>Kris
It's called capitalism there Kris. The only working economic system in
the world.
Hope This Helps!!!
DedNdogYrs
the big corporate machine that they are but they have everything and
their return policy is un-equaled.>
Which means someone can buy a heater, use it for six months and take it back?
That's good for the slugs who would do such a thing but rotten for the next
buyer.
Dogs & children first.
DedNdogYrs
world. Hope This Helps!!!>
It doesn't. The people in those those towns WalMart helped destroy are hardly
better off than people living under communism. Yes, it's legal but there's
something people can do. They can refrain from buying from this livelihood
destroying mega-sweatshop.
Dogs & children first.
Newbaum Turk
I don't know about that. All I know is that they took the AC unit back
without question and handed me $325.00 in cash.
Newbaum Turk
You seem to think that Wal-Mart is some mega corporation that suddenly
decended from the sky one day. Wal-Mart started out about 40 years ago
with one store in Rogers,Ark and grew from there.
It's called capitalism. The person with the best selection and price
will always be the winner in the retail world. You can try and boycott
a corp like Wal-Mart all you want but it will have about as much
affect as attempting to bail out the ocean with a teacup.
Kris Baker
<Newbaum Turk (Newbaum Turk)> wrote in message
news:3e053eb2...@news.chartertn.net...
If you're happy with only one place to shop (and wear only jeans and
t-shirts),
so be it.
BTW, make sure you welcome those "Neighborhood Markets" to your
town. Don't shop anywhere else, because their prices may be a bit
lower right now. Once they've destroyed the competition in your area,
they'll be your only grocery source.
Hope This Helps!!!
Newbaum Turk
<kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote:
>
><Newbaum Turk (Newbaum Turk)> wrote in message
>news:3e053eb2...@news.chartertn.net...
>> On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:16:47 GMT, "Kris Baker"
>> <kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >I also detest WalMart for their predatory practices which have destroyed
>> >locally-owned businesses in many small towns, including abandoned
>> >stores that cannot be rented to anyone else selling anything that
>> >WalMart sells.
>> >
>> >Kris
>>
>> It's called capitalism there Kris. The only working economic system in
>> the world.
>>
>> Hope This Helps!!!
>
>If you're happy with only one place to shop (and wear only jeans and
>t-shirts),
>so be it.
>
>BTW, make sure you welcome those "Neighborhood Markets" to your
>town. Don't shop anywhere else, because their prices may be a bit
>lower right now. Once they've destroyed the competition in your area,
>they'll be your only grocery source.
>
>Hope This Helps!!!
>
>
Nahh......Wal-Marts "Neighborhood Market" test is not doing very well
from what I hear. They started it around 5 years ago and when it began
the plan was to have them in most small towns in the U.S. by now. So
far they are only in about 10 areas in the whole U.S.
One thing I did see that Wal-Mart is currently testing in several
markets that I think will go over well is selling appliances like
refrigerators and ovens.
tiny dancer
"Teresa" <ctfedor@at&tbi.com> wrote in message
news:qA9N9.298878$GR5....@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
Thank you Teresa,
td
>
>
DedNdogYrs
so be it.
BTW, make sure you welcome those "Neighborhood Markets" to your town. Don't
shop anywhere else, because their prices may be a bit lower right now.
Once they've destroyed the competition in your area,
they'll be your only grocery source.
Dogs & children first.
DedNdogYrs
your town. Don't shop anywhere else, because their prices may be a bit lower
right now. Once they've destroyed the competition in your area, they'll be
your only grocery source.>
And the only jobs, which $7.00 an hour with no benefits that you can collect,
no overtime pay unless you sue for it, bullied to work sick and injured, and no
time off for important events like family funerals and weddings (although I
suppose they could call in sick).
>>
Dogs & children first.
Kris Baker
<Newbaum Turk (Newbaum Turk)> wrote in message
> On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 05:12:23 GMT, "Kris Baker"
> <kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote:
> >
> >BTW, make sure you welcome those "Neighborhood Markets" to your
> >town. Don't shop anywhere else, because their prices may be a bit
> >lower right now. Once they've destroyed the competition in your area,
> >they'll be your only grocery source.
> >
> from what I hear. They started it around 5 years ago and when it began
> the plan was to have them in most small towns in the U.S. by now. So
> far they are only in about 10 areas in the whole U.S.
I've seen two under construction in the Salt Lake City area, in the
past month - and I understand that more are coming. If the
test was a failure, why are they building more?
> One thing I did see that Wal-Mart is currently testing in several
> markets that I think will go over well is selling appliances like
> refrigerators and ovens.
Think they'll sell Sub-Zero? ;)
kris
Trinia & Bambi
Thank you
The rest of at-c
news:QZwP9.90565$Y86....@news2.central.cox.net:
> What state did this happen in? You didn't seem to post it.
>
> Thank you
Dear Trina &/or Bambi,
If you don't quote some of the post you are replying to, then how do you
expect the person you are talking to to respond?
Yours truly,
The rest of at-c
Claquer's R. Nuts
Are you really this stupid?
>
> Yours truly,
>
> The rest of at-c
Speak for yourself. Look up at the subject line. See where it says
Walmart Rips off Toys for Tots? Duh! Grow a brain and then maybe you
wouldn't look so pathetically stupid next time.
Claquers R. Nuts
spo...@petitmorte.net
news:ca89b845.02122...@posting.google.com:
> "The rest of at-c" <spo...@petitmorte.net> wrote in message
> news:<Xns92F2ED01DD2...@petitmorte.net>...
>> "Trinia & Bambi" <wingsa...@cox.net> wrote in
>> news:QZwP9.90565$Y86....@news2.central.cox.net:
>>
>> > What state did this happen in? You didn't seem to post it.
>> >
>> > Thank you
>>
>> Dear Trina &/or Bambi,
>>
>> If you don't quote some of the post you are replying to, then how do
>> you expect the person you are talking to to respond?
>
> Are you really this stupid?
It's stupid to quote the material you're addressing? If so, why did you do
it here, Penny?
>> Yours truly,
>>
>> The rest of at-c
>
> Speak for yourself. Look up at the subject line. See where it says
> Walmart Rips off Toys for Tots? Duh! Grow a brain and then maybe you
> wouldn't look so pathetically stupid next time.
Penny, Penny, Penny. Did you not get enough chocolate for Christmas? Has
your hubby come to his senses and stopped touching you? You seem a little
irritable. It can't be "that time of the month", because your species only
experiences that every 30 months or so.
Victorhntr
stuff pulled all over the floor by toothless low-lifes, rooms for trying on
clothes with pee on the floor, too much walking necessary, and they destroy
surrounding business in small cities. The ones in Nevada are too cheap to buy
paper towels and people were using toilet paper to wipe their hands and
throwing them all over the floor. My daughter said it's even worse in the
women's restroom after her brother invited her to look at the mess in the men's
restroom.