Mark Chmura appears to be innocent
Charlie Jackson
2) the student athlete was threatened by police to change his story in
support of Mark.
3) Mrs. Chmura says their marriage is fine and that Mark never called
the girl "jailbait"
4) The young accuser has a negative view of "justice"
Here's hoping he "gets off"
David
--
"take my hands, my wings to the dawn
....
no longer will tomorrow caress my mind,
and if I return it will be MY doing" -
Celtic Frost - R.I.P. 1984 - 1992
"to mega therion!"
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just a matter of time before she has her face plastered all over the
net. I'm curious too, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't. Wonder who she
will go after next for letting her identity be known.
t.cruise
>Since "HER" name has come out a few times on live radio and TV, it's
>just a matter of time before she has her face plastered all over the
>net. I'm curious too, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't. Wonder who she
>will go after next for letting her identity be known.
While on Court TV chat, someone posted a link with Allison McCabe's
yearbook picture and the copy next to it. I found the quote: "Money
can't buy happiness, but it will certainly buy you a better class of
memories" very telling. Ms. McCabe and her attorney laid the
groundwork for three civil suits, before the start of this criminal
trial. It would seem that she's hoping to "buy a better class of
memories" with settlements from Mark Chmura, Sports Illustrated, et
al...
T.C.
WWWoLadyA
>While on Court TV chat, someone posted a link with Allison McCabe's
>yearbook picture and the copy next to it. I found the quote: "Money
>can't buy happiness, but it will certainly buy you a better class of
>memories" very telling. Ms. McCabe and her attorney laid the
>groundwork for three civil suits, before the start of this criminal trial. It
would seem that she's hoping to "buy a better class of
>memories" with settlements from Mark Chmura, Sports Illustrated, et
>al...
I'll bet Bob Guccione is just biding his time.
A.
Faye
get him.....at any cost!...Faye
jax...@my-deja.com
myself urinating next to some celebrity some day and decide that he
raped me in the bathroom stall. Maybe settle out of court for a few
bux.
Johnny Anonymous
anything she says can be taken with a bucket of salt. While Chmura might
not be (technically) guilty of sexual assault, the bastard certainly isn't
some poor trembling, wide-eyed sacrifical lamb manipulated by scheming
high school girls. No matter how you look at it, open drinking and
inappropriate, thinly veiled sexual behavior was going on between two
grown men and a bunch of kids. The creep-o-meter on these guys has been
pegged near the top the whole time. And I find it amusing so many posters
on this newsgroup seem to be attributing the same kind of criminal
mastermind abilities to a suburban 17 year old high school student as, say
, Professor Moriarty and Mata Hari. Sounds to me like there's more than a
few suffering flashbacks to high school trauma.
Johnny Anonymous
Lady Taker
>
>> 1) "Chaste" Allison Mccabe's story fell apart
You really don't understand what sexual assault means, do you?
Volfie -> if it had anything to do with the past conduct of the participants,
like you seem to think, Chmura would be guilty without the need for a trial
Tillie
devious plan to enrich herself when:
a) she did not know the guest of honor would be Mr. I'm-So-Awesome
Chmura, and
b) she only had a very short period of time to create such a grandiose
plan in her alcohol laced brain
c) if she really was set on "getting" Chmura - why would she actually
smile/smirk and Mr. Pro-Wanna-Be Kleber prior to her entering into a
bathroom with Chmura; and
d) why in the hell would Kleber be MORE concerned with Chmura's
integrity and career than a 17 y.o. girl's integrity/reputation [a
peer]?
I know when I was a teen - I cared more for my friend/peers than I did
for 'grown ups'.
Kleber is full of crap. Kleber -- here's a tip: It ain't gonna get
you nowhere. So make sure you study real hard, don't let anyone else
take your tests for you in college -- and please, whatever you do, DO
NOT go to frat parties and drink your silly head off and try to
squeeze your lard ass into ANY hottub. The girls ain't gonna be
turned on -- and we know you won't be a Prince Charming if you are
needed.
tillie
On 02 Feb 2001 22:45:44 GMT, Johnny Anonymous <john...@butterfly.net>
wrote:
Mametsuki
>Subject: Re: Mark Chmura appears to be innocent
>From: Johnny Anonymous john...@butterfly.net
>Date: 2/2/01 2:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <3A7B381B...@butterfly.net>
>
>Well, unless Chmura's wife was in the bathroom with him & the girl,
>anything she says can be taken with a bucket of salt. While Chmura might
>not be (technically) guilty of sexual assault, the bastard certainly isn't
>some poor trembling, wide-eyed sacrifical lamb manipulated by scheming
>high school girls. No matter how you look at it, open drinking and
>inappropriate, thinly veiled sexual behavior was going on between two
>grown men and a bunch of kids. The creep-o-meter on these guys has been
>pegged near the top the whole time. And I find it amusing so many posters
>on this newsgroup seem to be attributing the same kind of criminal
>mastermind abilities to a suburban 17 year old high school student as, say
>, Professor Moriarty and Mata Hari. Sounds to me like there's more than a
>few suffering flashbacks to high school trauma.
>Johnny Anonymous
Boy, am I with you on this one. Everyone seems to think that a barely 17 year
old girl is the one who was in charge of this lurid situation. Who's house was
it? Who were the adults at the party? Who were supposed to be thinking with
their brains instead of their penises? Please, she was his babysitter for
Godsake! Come on people get a clue! If that were your daughter what would be
your reaction then?
Mametsuki
Kathy
> Well, unless Chmura's wife was in the bathroom with him & the girl,
> anything she says can be taken with a bucket of salt. While Chmura might
> not be (technically) guilty of sexual assault, the bastard certainly isn't
> some poor trembling, wide-eyed sacrifical lamb manipulated by scheming
> high school girls. No matter how you look at it, open drinking and
> inappropriate, thinly veiled sexual behavior was going on between two
> grown men and a bunch of kids. The creep-o-meter on these guys has been
> pegged near the top the whole time. And I find it amusing so many posters
> on this newsgroup seem to be attributing the same kind of criminal
> mastermind abilities to a suburban 17 year old high school student as, say
> , Professor Moriarty and Mata Hari. Sounds to me like there's more than a
> few suffering flashbacks to high school trauma.
> Johnny Anonymous
I totally agree with this post. People seem very quick to disbelieve the
accuser
especially when it comes to athletes or other celebrities. Most rapes go
unreported,
and it's easy to see why. I tend to believe that Chmura took advantage of an
intoxicated teenager and is probably going to be exonerated. At least he
might think
twice before trying it again.
Kathy
Lady Taker
>accuser
>especially when it comes to athletes or other celebrities. Most rapes go
>unreported,
>and it's easy to see why. I tend to believe that Chmura took advantage of an
>intoxicated teenager and is probably going to be exonerated. At least he
>might think
>twice before trying it again.
>
>Kathy
Probably not. But, if anything, it'll teach a victim to keep her mouth shut or
be humiliated in public.
Volfie -> and that applies whether or not this case is an honest one or not
Maggie
***I hope it will teach a victim that it's important to make her feelings known
immediately and loudly, and that she better make sure her story is straight
before getting on the witness stand. I also hope that young women will learn
that it's really not a good idea to drink heavily around men they don't know
very well. Yes, yes. I know that the fact that a woman/girl is drunk doesn't
mean a man has license to rape her. But by the same token, I should be able to
walk naked at 2:00 a.m. through the worst section of my town waving hundred
dollar bills without being molested or having my money stolen. But if I do, it
shouldn't surprise me if something bad happens.
I'm really surprised that Allison (apparently) didn't re-read the statements
she had given to police before she testified in opposition to many of the
details. I read somewhere that this particular DA is well known for preparing
his witnesses exceptionally well and I can only assume that he did as much as
he could with Allison. Surely he told her that "uh-huh" and "yeah" were not
good ways to answer questions. OTOH, supposedly she did much worse at the
preliminary hearing.
Maggie
"When we got into office, the thing that surprised me the most was that things
were as bad as we'd been saying they were."--John F. Kennedy
Sweetkitty00000
>she had given to police before she testified in opposition to many of the
>details. I read somewhere that this particular DA is well known for
>preparing
>his witnesses exceptionally well and I can only assume that he did as much as
>he could with Allison. Surely he told her that "uh-huh" and "yeah" were not
>good ways to answer questions. OTOH, supposedly she did much worse at the
>preliminary hearing.
>
>Maggie
>
I felt the same way, Maggie, that the DA tried to help her with her testimony
and she, like a lot of young people sometimes do, thought she knew how to
handle it herself better.
Sure you can trust the government! Just ask an Indian
mothra
> ***I hope it will teach a victim that it's important to make her feelings known
> immediately and loudly, and that she better make sure her story is straight
> before getting on the witness stand.
Rape victims are usually so traumatized that it doesn't make much
difference who well they've been taught what they ought to do if such a
thing occurs to them. Sensible young women go home and take long
showers, destroying evidence, and refuse to talk to anyone, much less
the police, when they've been raped. To suggest that women and girls
who are victims of rape should "learn" how they should respond to this
crime is close to being obscene. IMHO.
This is one reason victim advocacy groups, such as NOVA, are so
important, offering an anonymous voice on the end of a hot-line who can
lead the victim through what she needs to do, who can send someone to
pick her up and take her to the hospital and to the police, if she
decides to report her rape, who can send someone to sit with her in
court and hold her hand. Women and especially girls who have been raped
don't do what we non-victims think should be so simple and obvious, they
just don't, most of the time.
Martha
Kathy
I like the analogy to being robbed, because it points up the double standard.
Very rarely if ever is a robbery victim blamed for the crime. There have been
cases of wealthy people being robbed of their expensive jewelry, cars, etc.
and there is no hint of blame for the victims for "enticing" the robber by
their display of wealth. You used the comparison of walking nude
in the "worst section" of town. That's not at all what happened here. There
are different standards for rape victims when compared with victims of
other crimes.
Kathy
Cliff or Linda Griffith
> I like the analogy to being robbed, because it points up the double standard.
> Very rarely if ever is a robbery victim blamed for the crime.
> Kathy
OTOH, many adults of all ages continue to fall for the "Pigeon Drop".
Every time I hear of another victim, I think, "He/She should've known
better, it's probably a case of someone wanting something for nothing,
'A fool and his money are soon parted,' etc." I don't think the person
"deserved" to be victimized, but I do think they deserve some of the
blame. Allison, although legally a minor, should've known better than
to go into that bathroom with the man. Even if she only intended to
[whatever], she knew he was older *and* married, and supposedly she
*hated* him.
Linda
Tillie
What gets me is how so many people are saying "If she was attacked,
why didn't she tell her parents right away....that's what I would have
done ---- or --- why did she go for coffee?"
Unless you have been a victim of a rape, molestation -- whatever crime
-- you simply do not know "how" you would react. Sure, most girls
might tell their parents right away -- some may not. Some might be
embarrassed -- some not sure how to act.
Look at all the men who come forward after 10, 20, 30 years later to
say they were molested?
Each individual would react differently
tillie
Cliff or Linda Griffith
> What gets me is how so many people are saying "If she was attacked,
> why didn't she tell her parents right away....that's what I would have
> done ---- or --- why did she go for coffee?"
>
> Unless you have been a victim of a rape, molestation -- whatever crime
> -- you simply do not know "how" you would react. Sure, most girls
> might tell their parents right away -- some may not. Some might be
> embarrassed -- some not sure how to act.
>
> Look at all the men who come forward after 10, 20, 30 years later to
> say they were molested?
>
> Each individual would react differently
>
> tillie
True. True. But why didn't she struggle? Why didn't she scream out?
If I had been raped at 17, I could see perhaps telling my "best friend"
before I told my parents, but I wouldn't tell a gaggle of friends. And
why do *you* think she went for coffee?
Linda
Merc
Because for some stupid reason, women tend to think that they deserved
such treatment, sometimes simply for showing interest towards the
opposite sex. Specially at that age - even when they are using their
sexuality/ flirtation in a perfectly normal healthy way, society still
judges if one is a victim based on what they were wearing or were they
displaying flirtatious behavior etc etc. Then the girls go on to
believe - Ooops perhaps theyll/society/parents/frineds, will think
that I led him on, thus I deserved to be raped!
Merc
mothra
>
> Tillie wrote:
> > What gets me is how so many people are saying "If she was attacked,
> > why didn't she tell her parents right away....that's what I would have
> > done ---- or --- why did she go for coffee?"
> >
> > Unless you have been a victim of a rape, molestation -- whatever crime
> > -- you simply do not know "how" you would react. Sure, most girls
> > might tell their parents right away -- some may not. Some might be
> > embarrassed -- some not sure how to act.
> >
> > Look at all the men who come forward after 10, 20, 30 years later to
> > say they were molested?
> >
> > Each individual would react differently
> >
> > tillie
>
> True. True. But why didn't she struggle?
Because she was drunk?
> Why didn't she scream out?
Because she was drunk?
> If I had been raped at 17, I could see perhaps telling my "best friend"
> before I told my parents, but I wouldn't tell a gaggle of friends. And
> why do *you* think she went for coffee?
Because she was drunk?
Martha