3rd Durr brother accused of rape
Indigo Ace
3rd Durr brother accused of rape
By Carlos Sadovi
Tribune staff reporter
Published June 21, 2006
Eric Durr, the youngest brother in a family in which two siblings are
serving life sentences for multiple rapes, was charged recently with
sexually assaulting two women in 1997, authorities said.
Durr, 36, was arrested Friday after his DNA matched evidence taken
from the two women nine years ago, said Marcy Jenson, a spokeswoman
for the Cook County state's attorney's office.
Durr's brother Floyd, 37, was convicted this year of the 1998 rape and
murder of 11-year-old Ryan Harris. He already had been serving a
125-year prison term for four rapes. Their brother Eddie, 38, had been
convicted of raping more than eight women, attacks that began when he
was a teen.
Eric Durr, of the 6600 block of South Seeley Avenue, was ordered held
without bond Saturday by Criminal Court Judge Thomas Hennelly in the
two separate assaults on the South Side.
Prosecutors said at Durr's bond hearing that on Feb. 4, 1997, he
allegedly grabbed a 16-year-old girl from behind in the 6100 block of
South Hermitage Avenue about 6 p.m. Durr allegedly punched her in the
face, dragged her into the basement of an abandoned building, then
sexually assaulted and robbed her, prosecutors said.
He told her, "Don't look at me or I'll kill you," Jenson said.
Jenson said the second attack happened on Aug. 2, 1997. She said a
32-year-old woman was walking on the 6200 block of South Damen Avenue
at 11 p.m. She said Durr walked up to the woman and they started
talking before he allegedly grabbed her by the neck.
The woman struggled and was stabbed two times, Jenson said. Durr then
allegedly dragged her behind a church and sexually assaulted her
before stabbing her several more times, Jenson said. According to a
Chicago police report, the woman was stabbed 10 times.
"She was lying still and she began to pray. He sexually assaulted her
and told her to stop praying," Jenson said.
At one point the woman hit him on the head with a brick, authorities
said. Durr then threw the brick at her, striking the woman in the back
of the head, authorities said. She ran into the street naked and
collapsed, Jenson said.
In both cases, DNA samples were retrieved. Durr was serving a prison
sentence last year for robbery and, as is required by state law, had
to provide a DNA sample, Jenson said. That sample returned a match to
the 1997 assaults last week, according to a police report.
If convicted, Durr faces 30 years in prison, Jenson said.
Durr was convicted at age 17 of involuntary manslaughter in the
shooting death of a man he claimed owed him money, according to court
records. He has been in and out of prison on other charges.
Prosecutors had sought the death penalty for his brother Floyd for the
Harris rape and murder. A judge sentenced him to life without the
possibility of parole after medical exams revealed his IQ was below
the level required by the U.S. Supreme Court for such a sentence.
Prosecutors initially charged two boys, then 7 and 8, with Ryan's
murder before investigators recovered traces of semen that could not
have come from boys so young.
Eddie Durr was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of
parole after being convicted of committing eight sexual assaults. One
of the attacks on an 11-year-old girl involved both Eddie and Floyd,
court records state.
"His mother did the best she could with them to make them
respectable," said their father, Monroe Durr. "They caused it on
themselves; they are good-looking young men. They don't need to go
raping."
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scooter34
Indigo Ace wrote:
> Environment, heredity, or both? From the Chicago Tribune--
>
> 3rd Durr brother accused of rape
>
> By Carlos Sadovi
> Tribune staff reporter
> Published June 21, 2006
>
> Eric Durr, the youngest brother in a family in which two siblings are
> serving life sentences for multiple rapes, was charged recently with
> sexually assaulting two women in 1997, authorities said.
>
> Eddie Durr was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of
> parole after being convicted of committing eight sexual assaults. One
> of the attacks on an 11-year-old girl involved both Eddie and Floyd,
> court records state.
>
> "His mother did the best she could with them to make them
> respectable," said their father, Monroe Durr. "They caused it on
> themselves; they are good-looking young men. They don't need to go
> raping."
>
odds?
scooter34
JonesieCat
"scooter34" <momofpe...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Seriously, I wonder too what the odds are. For some reason I am under the
impression there are lots of sibs, and parents too, in prisons at the same
time, for similar crimes? With these brothers - I vote for both heredity and
environment - and environment mostly. Bet they witnessed assaults like this
their whole lives, beginning in infancy? Think they saw their mother
regularly being abused/raped? or a grandmother? Wonder if they have any
sisters. Hope to Gawd there are no more brothers. jc
E/C Annie
JonesieCat wrote:
> "scooter34" <momofpe...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:1150913283.3...@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Indigo Ace wrote:
> >> Environment, heredity, or both? From the Chicago Tribune--
> >>
> >> 3rd Durr brother accused of rape
> >> Published June 21, 2006
> >>
> >> Eric Durr, the youngest brother in a family in which two siblings are
> >> serving life sentences for multiple rapes, was charged recently with
> >> sexually assaulting two women in 1997, authorities said.
> >>
> > <snip>
> >> Eddie Durr was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of
> >> parole after being convicted of committing eight sexual assaults. One
> >> of the attacks on an 11-year-old girl involved both Eddie and Floyd,
> >> court records state.
> >>
> >> "His mother did the best she could with them to make them
> >> respectable," said their father, Monroe Durr. "They caused it on
> >> themselves; they are good-looking young men. They don't need to go
> >> raping."
> >>
> > Good Lord, three violent sexual offenders in one family? What are the
> > odds?
> >
> > scooter34
>
> Seriously, I wonder too what the odds are. For some reason I am under the
> impression there are lots of sibs, and parents too, in prisons at the same
> time, for similar crimes? With these brothers - I vote for both heredity and
> environment - and environment mostly. Bet they witnessed assaults like this
> their whole lives, beginning in infancy? Think they saw their mother
> regularly being abused/raped? or a grandmother? Wonder if they have any
> sisters. Hope to Gawd there are no more brothers. jc
This is horrible. Now, I wonder about the other two brothers, and any
other siblings. Are their IQs similar to Floyd's? Also, these men are
36, 37 and 38. What was going on with their mother? Of course, some
women don't mind stairsteps. annie
Jan 12, 2006 7:33 am US/Central
Attorneys: Harris Murder Suspect IQ Too Low
(AP) CHICAGO Attorneys for a man charged in the 1998 murder of an
11-year-old Chicago girl say doctors have determined their client's IQ
is below the state level required to impose the death penalty should he
be convicted.
Floyd Durr's trial in the slaying of Ryan Harris, whose death
originally was blamed on two young boys, is to begin February 17. Cook
County Circuit Judge Stanley Sacks ruled Tuesday that prosecutors can
evaluate Durr, who has been convicted of sexually assaulting other
girls.
Illinois law requires that a person must have an IQ of at least 75 to
be eligible for the death penalty. The U.S. Supreme Court in 2002 set
the benchmark at 70.
Durr's attorneys filed court papers last week saying doctors have
determined his IQ to be between 59 and 65.
E/C Annie
This article has some family history. These men started off very
young. annie
Killer of Ryan Harris left a trail of violence
By Carlos Sadovi
Tribune staff reporter
April 16, 2006
Before Ryan Harris' body was found in a weed-choked lot in 1998, the
man who murdered the 11-year-old girl already had left behind a trail
of broken young lives.
A 10-year-old girl, still clutching the dollar her mother gave her for
candy, found Floyd Durr lurking on her family's South Side porch.
A 15-year-old, walking home from her classes at Englewood Academy, saw
Durr at the other end of a gun he pressed to her head.
An 11-year-old, holding the snacks she had just bought for a school
field trip, crossed paths with Durr, accompanied by his older brother
Eddie.
Floyd Durr, 37, pleaded guilty last week to killing Harris, agreeing to
a life sentence plus an additional 30 years for committing one of
Chicago's most notorious crimes. Prosecutors said his IQ was so low he
was not eligible for the death penalty.
Originally two boys, 7 and 8--the youngest murder defendants in U.S.
history--were charged in the killing.
But over eight tortured years, evidence led to a brutal and hardened
criminal from a family of violent offenders. Interviews and court
records depict a band of brothers whose fury had simmered and boiled
over onto the lives of victims through the years.
Before his plea, Floyd Durr was serving 125 years for his previous
sexual assaults of girls. His brother Eddie, 38, has been convicted of
committing eight sexual assaults and is serving a life sentence without
the possibility of parole.
Their youngest brother, Eric, 36, was convicted at age 17 of
involuntary manslaughter in the death of a man and has been in and out
of prison on other charges since then.
Yet the list of crimes sheds little light on how a family came to be so
violent. In a previous court hearing, Floyd Durr blamed it on past
family abuse and an addiction to marijuana.
"When I'm sad, I get high and bad things happen. I rape and I run,"
Durr said in court documents.
The case that led to his first conviction set the tone.
Tasha was 18 when she first laid eyes on Floyd Durr in a South Side
park in the summer of 1992.
She remembers him as a non-threatening young man who seemed so nice and
showered her with so much attention that, even though they had just
met, she was willing to share a 40-ounce bottle of beer with him.
"He choked me with my belt, and when I woke up I didn't have no clothes
on. I was all beat[en] up and [my eyes were] bloodshot," she recalled.
"He raped me."
Tasha, whose last name is being withheld to protect her identity,
remembers waking up with her leather belt wrapped tightly around her
neck. The belt left scars for about a year, she said.
A police account notes that she was found running from the park,
"incoherent." She was taken to a nearby hospital. She told police Durr
ordered her to remove her pants, stating: "If you don't, I'll kill
you."
"I was angry. I ain't never had sex before," she said in an interview
at the home she shares with her parents. "At first I thought it was my
fault."
About two months after the attack, she ran into Floyd Durr and his
brother Eddie on the street near her home. She pointed out Floyd to her
aunt as the man who attacked her, according to the woman and court
records.
Chicago police wanted to charge Floyd Durr with criminal sexual
assault, a felony that at the time carried a maximum 15-year prison
sentence, according to court papers. But there wasn't enough evidence,
so prosecutors charged him with misdemeanor battery. A judge sentenced
him to 180 days in the Cook County Jail.
"He needs to be dead, he deserves to die," Tasha said recently as the
woman's infant daughter cried in the next room.
Floyd Durr's lawyers would not let him be interviewed for this story.
Defense lawyers said he has a brain abnormality and an IQ score of
between 59 and 65, which puts him below what the U.S. Supreme Court and
Illinois law say is the minimum required for someone facing the death
penalty. In court, Durr said he reached only the 8th grade.
Eddie Durr was among the only family members to defend Floyd Durr
publicly.
In a recent interview at Pontiac Correctional Center, Eddie Durr said
his brother has been wrongfully accused of the Ryan Harris killing. The
two are tied together by more than blood.
Floyd and Eddie Durr were convicted of raping an 11-year-old girl on
May 20, 1998. The South Side girl was walking back to her home after
buying snacks for a planned school field trip the next day when her
path crossed the brothers'.
In a sentencing hearing in 2000, the girl described being beaten and
dragged into a basement. There she was tied to a pole, and Eddie Durr
took her shoelaces, wrapped them around her neck and choked her. DNA
evidence tied Floyd Durr to the rape; the girl identified Eddie Durr.
The girl was too traumatized to be interviewed for this story, she said
through a friend.
"I thought I was going to die. I pretend[ed] to die because I thought
Eddie Durr would stop choking me. I was terrified but I really wanted
to live ... I wanted to see my family again. I prayed that someone
would come and save me," the girl wrote in the court statement.
Eddie Durr's run-ins with the law go back to 1981, when he was found
delinquent in Juvenile Court at age 14. His first rape charge came the
next year, and he was sentenced to 6 years in state prison. While on
parole for that conviction, he was charged again in 1986 with criminal
sexual assault, was convicted and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
"The sex cases never happened. They just wanted to put these cases on
someone, and I was just the person to do it," Eddie Durr said.
He struggles to prove his innocence to the other inmates. As a
convicted rapist, Eddie Durr is low in the hierarchy. Floyd Durr, as
the one fingered for the Ryan Harris murder and rape, is at the very
bottom.
"I have to stand up and defend him because he's not here to speak for
himself. By defending him, I'm also defending myself and my family," he
said, his soft voice taking on an edge. "I say you don't know nothing
about my family or my brother ... don't try to label him; don't try to
talk bad about him."
The two brothers were inseparable as children and became more
protective of each other as their family moved through various
neighborhoods on Chicago's South and West Sides.
"We weren't the richest people in the world, but we had the things we
wanted because my mother would make sure that we get it and she would
bust her butt to do that," Eddie Durr said. "I love my mother so much
it's a shame."
In court papers and in interviews the brothers portrayed their father
as an abusive man who continually beat them and their mother. Floyd was
about 10 when his mother packed up the children and moved to Belzoni,
Miss., to live with her family for about six years. Mattie Anderson,
the boys' mother, declined to comment.
In court records Floyd Durr said his father, Monroe Durr, was so
abusive he hit them with "extension cords, broomsticks and plungers."
Floyd Durr also said in the records that he was sexually abused in
Mississippi by "distant girl cousins."
Eddie Durr could not substantiate Floyd's claim of sexual abuse but
said their father's quick temper and drinking led to routine beatings.
He said he believes the brothers' history of violence can be blamed on
the violence they experienced growing up.
After their father left, the brothers often would roam the streets
together, looking for trouble.
"We used to go to the park and just look for people to start fights
with. It didn't matter who it was," Eddie Durr said. "We were raised in
a house where we saw our father abuse our mother. This is all we've
seen. ... We thought this is the way we were supposed to act growing
up. I guess it's just what took effect."
He said the last time he saw his father was about 10 years ago in
Indiana, where Monroe Durr has lived since his wife and his children
left him.
In a recent interview in Monroe Durr's apartment in a Gary senior
citizen complex, the gray-bearded man denied being physically abusive
or even being drunk in front of his sons.
Sitting in the kitchenette of his efficiency apartment, he angrily
thumped his thick, shirtless chest with his fingers to dramatize that
the allegations against him had no merit. If they were true he would
have collected scars or a prison record over the years, he said.
"I'm 73 years old and I've never been cut, I've never been shot, I've
never been in jail in my life," Monroe Durr said.
He only recently heard that Floyd had been charged with murder and had
faced a possible death sentence.
He said the person whom prosecutors have called a sexual predator is
not the same son he remembers.
"With Floyd, I never seen nothing but a beautiful baby out of him," he
said. "Where he come by getting this meanness and this animosity in his
heart, God knows."
JonesieCat
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This is way interesting stuff. The old guy says since there's no evidence
his wife or kids hit back, essentially, so he can't possibly be guilty of
regularly beating them to pulps. Rigggghhhht. Too bad his wife waited so
long to leave him. Too bad she wound up with him in the first place. (How
odd is it Eddie said, "I love my mother so much it's a shame." I don't mean
the colloqualism, but the sentiment, that he loves his mum soooo much, like,
more than other people so similarly.) So scary to see how this seems to go
on generation after generation. Thx for article. jc
Cyli
wrote:
(snipped)
>
>This is way interesting stuff. The old guy says since there's no evidence
>his wife or kids hit back, essentially, so he can't possibly be guilty of
>regularly beating them to pulps. Rigggghhhht.
I read it as him saying that he wasn't a continual bar room brawler.
They generally do get marked after years of it. Sometimes right away
when young. At least a much broken nose and a facial scar or two.
I got the impression that he denied or simply didn't acknowledge any
abuse of wife and kids stuff. And, unless mom chips in and says
something about it, I"m leery of believing inmates who've learned
that having had a bad childhood (whether real or not) makes for
occasional sympathy from the psych and soc types. Might be true,
might be partly true, might be rather more ordinary discipline really
exaggerated. Or they might have understated it.
>Too bad his wife waited so
>long to leave him. Too bad she wound up with him in the first place. (How
>odd is it Eddie said, "I love my mother so much it's a shame."
If I wanted to work at it, I could probably develop a nice Oedipus
theory on that one, but I don't think it's worth it, unless something
shows up that indicates mom is pretty creepy.
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"Cyli" <cyl...@com.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:57:17 +1000, "JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away>
> wrote:
>
> (snipped)
>
>>
>>This is way interesting stuff. The old guy says since there's no evidence
>>his wife or kids hit back, essentially, so he can't possibly be guilty of
>>regularly beating them to pulps. Rigggghhhht.
>
> I read it as him saying that he wasn't a continual bar room brawler.
> They generally do get marked after years of it. Sometimes right away
> when young. At least a much broken nose and a facial scar or two.
Yeah, but iirc he wasn't being asked about barroom brawling, he was asked
about beating his wife and children severely and regularly. People who do
that don't necessarily ever physically fight with others in public -
"barroom brawls" have nothing to do with anything here. Nah. Guy's
distancing himself from his own sordid history, imo.
> I got the impression that he denied or simply didn't acknowledge any
> abuse of wife and kids stuff. And, unless mom chips in and says
> something about it, I"m leery of believing inmates who've learned
> that having had a bad childhood (whether real or not) makes for
> occasional sympathy from the psych and soc types. Might be true,
> might be partly true, might be rather more ordinary discipline really
> exaggerated. Or they might have understated it.
>
>
>>Too bad his wife waited so
>>long to leave him. Too bad she wound up with him in the first place. (How
>>odd is it Eddie said, "I love my mother so much it's a shame."
>
> If I wanted to work at it, I could probably develop a nice Oedipus
> theory on that one, but I don't think it's worth it, unless something
> shows up that indicates mom is pretty creepy.
> --
I think mom indeed might be pretty creepy herself. IAC, 3 boys don't grow up
to be violent and to be rapists etc etc, in a vacuum... mom and pop were
both part of what produced them, genetically and most certainly
environmentally - that was some nurturing these 3 got in their early years,
yup.
jc
johns
If you take kids who just can't compete, and force
them to stay in school, they are going to become
hated by the teachers, their parents, and other
students. That level of rejection can make anyone
violent and defensive .. especially a gang of brothers.
I don't blame their father at all. He was just one of
the frustrated actors, and probably resentful of
the same thing. I imagine he and his wife had a
lot to say over the years about how "they" were
being treated. Good bet his wife blamed him for
being "slow", and she brought the rejection right
into the house .... so all the rapes. I have a
theory .. fix the schools, and you'll fix the prisons.
johns
JonesieCat
"johns" <john...@moscow.com> wrote in message
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Ah, and absolve everyone of personal responsibility? Nah.
I certainly agree schools need fixing in a fundamental way. However, it's
*families* who need fixing to solve the prison problem.
In Australia, children aren't coerced to stay in school beyond the 10th
grade, unlike the States. The ones who leave are encouraged to go into a
trade or something. This path is less encouraged in Aus than it once was. I
used to be quite critical of this choice (thought kids should stay in
school) - was horrified by it, er, sorta. But I have changed my view... I
can see the value of pursuing other means of fulfillment _for certain
people_, those who can and do find success by alternative means, outside the
traditional educ system. However, for those who are already killers and
rapists, as these Durr brothers were, educ is completely irrelevant imo.
Dear old Dad Durr and Mumsy Durr brought these boys into the world, and made
them what they are, espec Daddy Dearest. That is, I believe these 3 'boys'
told the truth once or twice in their lives, and that they were being
truthful about their father's violence. <shrug> I just do. In fact, I tend
to believe that the behaviour of these boys is the culmination/convergence
of generations of awful stuff from both sides.
jc
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