Nat'l Enquirer - Laci caught Scott cheating
Patty
LACI CAUGHT SCOTT CHEATING
His girlfriend walked in and found him in bed with Laci! Scott bought Viagra pills on-line
with 11 refills!
by Don Gentile, David Wright and Charlie Montgomery
National Enquirer January 12 2004 issue
synopsis
Scott Peterson was caught cheating by his wife Laci in a shocking and bizarre bedroom
scene, The NE has learned exclusively. That stunning revelation was uncovered by police
and could play a key role in Scott's murder trial.
But in a twist worthy of Hollywood, it was not Laci who walked in on Scott with his lover-
it was Scott's lover who walked in on the married couple in bed.
Although Scott has admitted to an affair with Amber Frey, the lover at the center of this
controversy is someone else- Janet Ilse, now 25, who may also be called as a witness by
prosecutors!
The NE has obtained this never before revealed information from deep inside the
investigation into Scott. LE have amassed a wealth of information showing that Scott
cheated on Laci from the moment they wed- launching into sex-crazed rampages fueled by
Viagra and piling lie upon lie to seduce a string of unsuspecting women.
The NE has learned from sources close to the investigation all the details of Scott's
secret sex life- and crucial evidence in the murder case against him. In the months
before his pregnant wife disappeared, Scott purchased Viagra and got a prescription for 11
refills.
"Everyone knows about Scott's girlfriend Amber Frey, but police interviewed many other
women he cheated with and lied to- women who are willing to testify against him, "
revealed a source. And the most shocking testimony may come from Janet Ilse, the lover
who walked in on Scott and Laci in bed!
Janet was a sophomore at Cal Poly in San Luis Obispo at the time. She met Scott, a senior
at the school, in early 1998, only a few months after he married Laci, who also attended
Cal Poly.
Scott had a strange living arrangement. He had three other male students as roommates in
a home off-campus. Laci didn't live their full time and incredibly, even his roommates
weren't immediately aware Scott had a wife.
"Janet dated Scott for five months. Their relationship was intimate. He never mentioned
he was married," divulged a source. Scheming Scott told Janet he wanted to move in with
her. They talked about marriage and meeting her parents. But in a startling statement
that's piqued the interest of investigators, Scott divulged to Janet he didn't want kids
because "they would get in the way of his lifestyle," the insider said.
One morning both Laci and Janet got an extremely rude awakening. Janet dropped in on
Scott- a surprise visit that should have been a warning to Laci about her husband's
infidelity.
"One of Scott's roommates let Janet in, and she went into Scott's room unannounced. She
found him in bed with Laci and exploded, yelling at both of them, screaming that Scott was
cheating on her," revealed the insider. "Scott's roommate got her out of there and drove
her home. He explained Laci was Scott's wife and he'd been cheating on her with Janet."
Janet's relationship with Scott ended then and there.
Incredibly, a week later, Scott showed up at Janet's home, apologizing but still not
admitting Laci was his wife, according to the insider. Janet turned over pictures to
police to support her story, one of Scott at her college home, a photo of Scott's dog
McKenzie(a gift from Laci), and one of her holding 12 dozen roses Scott gave her.
Janet did not return NE phone calls.
After Scott's bizarre relationship with Janet ended, Scott quickly replaced her with
another curvy coed- Katy Hansen, now 28, according to the insider. Contacted by the NE,
Katy did not wish to be interviewed, but the NE learned that she told police she met Scott
when they were in the same class during the last semester before graduation at Cal Poly in
1998.
Peterson filled Katy with wild stories of future hopes, explaining he wanted to be mayor
of Fillmore, Calif. Katy was cautious. She asked Scott, who never wore a wedding ring, if
he'd ever been married or engaged. He said no.
The next day, however, in a scene reminiscent of one he later played out with Amber Frey,
Scott met with Katy to "confess he'd been married but was divorced or separated, as she
recalled," said the insider.
Katy told police she was never intimate with Scott- but they'd stayed overnight at each
other's homes and the relationship was getting serious. Then came graduation day. "Katy
and Scott sat together and suddenly a woman walked up, gave Scott a passionate kiss and
put a Hawaiian lei around his neck. Scott introduced the woman to Katy. It was Laci.
"Laci then walked away leaving Katy confused as she sat through graduation ceremonies.
Scott never said a word to her and she didn't ask any questions. But it was clear to her
this was his wife, and she immediately stopped seeing Scott.
A week later Katy got a dozen pink roses from her never say die suitor. The card took a
pleading tone. It read "no job, no home," revealed the insider. Katy never again
contacted the philanderer.
During the investigation into Laci's murder, LE also interviewed Lauren Putnat, 28, who
dated Scott for a year and a half. Their romance blossomed in 1994 and 1995 in Morro Bay,
where Scott's parents lived at the time. Lauren was romantically involved with Scott just
before he met Laci- and provided police with important insight into their prime suspect.
Lauren told the NE she met Scott when she was a waitress and he was a waiter at Abba's
Pacific Cafe. When Scott pushed for a long-lasting relationship, she backed off, and when
she broke up with him, he showed signs of extreme jealousy.
"Scott didn't want to take no for an answer, said Lauren. Until then he had held his
emotions inside, but Scott exploded in a crying jag- begging Lauren not to break off the
relationship.
Lauren suspects Scott dated Laci to make her jealous, since he brought Laci into the
Pacific Cafe four times after Lauren ended their relationship. "The first time, Laci's mom
Sharon was with them," she recalled. "Laci had brought a single rose for Scott and it was
the first time Sharon had met Scott," said Lauren.
"It was just two weeks after I broke up with Scott. It's clear he was seeing Laci before
we ended our relationship." Astonishingly, Scott showed up a few more times at Lauren's
home trying to get her into bed, but she refused.
AS LE built a character study of Scott, they learned that his cheating ways began during
high school. A girl called Stefanie, who requested the NE not use her last name, dated
Scott for four months when he was a senior at Univ. San Diego High School and she was a
sophomore. Scott gave Stefanie a ring for Valentine's Day. But unknown to her, he began
dating another girl. When she found out, she confronted Scott. He denied having any
other relationship. Stefanie dumped Scott and learned he began dating the other girl
exclusively. "His cheating is a bad character trait," Stefanie told the NE. "And his later
life shows the same pattern."
That's what detectives learned as Amber Frey surfaced in the days after Laci's
disappearance, revealing how Scott told her his wife had died the previous year. Amber's
friend Shawn Sibley, who works for a company that does agriculture research, met the
fertilizer salesman at a conference in Oct 2002.
As usual, Scott said he was single. He told Shawn he was looking to get involved in a
serious relationship. "What should he write on his name tag that would attract a woman,"
he asked? Shawn suggested, "I'm rich." Scott suggested, H.B. for "Horny Bastard." At
dinner in Anaheim, Scott made obvious passes at Shawn, even though he knew she was
engaged. He asked Shawn what her favorite sex positions were and other suggestive
questions," said the insider. "He lied to her about where he lived, telling Shawn he had
homes in Sacramento and San Diego.
Shawn wanted nothing to do with him, but she made a fateful mistake by giving him Amber's
phone number and the two would soon hook up.
As police stepped up their investigation of Scott, they learned from Laci's married friend
Renee Tomlinson that he once made a serious pass at her- by cupping his hand over her butt
at a party. She never mentioned it to Laci, says the insider.
During searches of Scott's home and business, LE found further proof of Scott's secret sex
life. 5 computers he and Laci owned were seized and examined. Four that Scott used
exclusively, showed he made frequent visits to porno Web sites.
A pill bottle recovered at Scott's home contained Viagra, which he ordered on the Internet
from Online Pharmacy in January 2002. It was a prescription for five 100-milligram pills.
The script could be filled 11 times.
Not even Laci's disappearance could take Scott's mind off sex, police discovered.
On Jan.18, 2003, less than a month after Laci disappeared, Scott took time out from the
Laci saga to address his sexual desires.
"An official at Dish Network reported to police that Scott called up that day to order
several triple X-rated channels added to his service," the insider said. Then on Feb.18,
Scott canceled his entire TV service, with good reason. Armed with a search warrant,
police entered his home that day to look for further evidence in the case. Said the
insider,"It was clear he didn't want police to see his choice of home entertainment."
OK TO COPY TO OTHER FORUMS!
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
"Patty" <eartha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/display.asp?webtag=PurgatoryII&msg=1644.1
> LACI CAUGHT SCOTT CHEATING
>
> His girlfriend walked in and found him in bed with Laci! Scott bought Viagra
pills on-line
> with 11 refills!
> by Don Gentile, David Wright and Charlie Montgomery
> National Enquirer January 12 2004 issue
>
> synopsis
>
> Scott Peterson was caught cheating by his wife Laci in a shocking and bizarre
bedroom
> scene, The NE has learned exclusively. That stunning revelation was uncovered
by police
> and could play a key role in Scott's murder trial.
Affairs from 4yrs ago? Not sure how this would have much bearing, unless the G
figures he can make hay out of it. I think I owe somebody something on a bet,
tho, as Scott's playthings finally have names and faces.
<...>
> Lauren told the NE she met Scott when she was a waitress and he was a waiter at
Abba's
> Pacific Cafe. When Scott pushed for a long-lasting relationship, she backed
off, and when
> she broke up with him, he showed signs of extreme jealousy.
>
> "Scott didn't want to take no for an answer, said Lauren. Until then he had
held his
> emotions inside, but Scott exploded in a crying jag- begging Lauren not to break
off the
> relationship.
The first two affairs are just weird, but this one sounds pretty familiar.
Strictly speaking,
this one isn't an affair since he wasn't married, and apparently wasn't even
dating Laci
at the time.
>
> Lauren suspects Scott dated Laci to make her jealous, since he brought Laci into
the
> Pacific Cafe four times after Lauren ended their relationship. "The first time,
Laci's mom
> Sharon was with them," she recalled. "Laci had brought a single rose for Scott
and it was
> the first time Sharon had met Scott," said Lauren.
>
> "It was just two weeks after I broke up with Scott. It's clear he was seeing
Laci before
> we ended our relationship." Astonishingly, Scott showed up a few more times at
Lauren's
> home trying to get her into bed, but she refused.
Not sure how he knows he was boinking Laci before they broke up. Interesting that
Scott's still going for the double play afterwards.
>
> AS LE built a character study of Scott, they learned that his cheating ways
began during
> high school. A girl called Stefanie, who requested the NE not use her last
name, dated
> Scott for four months when he was a senior at Univ. San Diego High School and
she was a
> sophomore. Scott gave Stefanie a ring for Valentine's Day. But unknown to her,
he began
> dating another girl. When she found out, she confronted Scott. He denied
having any
> other relationship. Stefanie dumped Scott and learned he began dating the other
girl
> exclusively. "His cheating is a bad character trait," Stefanie told the NE. "And
his later
> life shows the same pattern."
Wonder who's going to bring this one up in court. Sounds like a Geragos' ploy:
"My client is a sex addict, your honor! He cheated on his high school
girlfriends!"
>
> That's what detectives learned as Amber Frey surfaced in the days after Laci's
> disappearance, revealing how Scott told her his wife had died the previous year.
Amber's
> friend Shawn Sibley, who works for a company that does agriculture research, met
the
> fertilizer salesman at a conference in Oct 2002.
>
> As usual, Scott said he was single. He told Shawn he was looking to get
involved in a
> serious relationship. "What should he write on his name tag that would attract
a woman,"
> he asked? Shawn suggested, "I'm rich." Scott suggested, H.B. for "Horny
Bastard." At
> dinner in Anaheim, Scott made obvious passes at Shawn, even though he knew she
was
> engaged. He asked Shawn what her favorite sex positions were and other
suggestive
> questions," said the insider. "He lied to her about where he lived, telling
Shawn he had
> homes in Sacramento and San Diego.
Yep. I had a feeling he wasn't going to give up his Modesto address. So if by Dec
6,
Sibley figured out he was based out of Modesto, that puts Amber one step closer
to finding out who he really is. I wonder if we're going to find out at some point
(like around Dec 20) Scott was finally forced to admit that he lived in Modesto.
I think if Amber didn't figure out he was married already, she was getting very
close indeed, and that was the stressor that finally pushed Scott into action.
>
> Shawn wanted nothing to do with him, but she made a fateful mistake by giving
him Amber's
> phone number and the two would soon hook up.
>
> As police stepped up their investigation of Scott, they learned from Laci's
married friend
> Renee Tomlinson that he once made a serious pass at her- by cupping his hand
over her butt
> at a party. She never mentioned it to Laci, says the insider.
Hence the rumors about Scott and one of Laci's friends. Sex Addict Scotty, loaded
on Viagra and Wine of the Month, goes ass-fishing. And look, he caught one!
Not quite the same as cheating, however. Wonder if the move to Modesto had
something to do with Scott's activities in San Luis Obispo. And why no affairs
while in Modesto? Maybe Scott was out of his element. At least until the
conference
in Anaheim, and even there he flops, taking another month to finally get hooked
up.
So Mr. Clingy Philanderer meets Ms. I Wanna Have Your Baby and true loooove
flows directly into a murder plot.
The article underscores the point I was making way back when: Scott's been a liar
for a long time. But I was totally wrong about his affairs--I really didn't think
he
had any. Guess I should have figured that he was just repeating a pattern. Sure
took the tabs a while to dig these women up.
RstJ
Pigeon Hohl
"Robert St. James \(el corazon del demonio\)"
<robert...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sex Addict Scotty, loaded on Viagra and Wine of the Month,
> goes ass-fishing. And look, he caught one!
LOL
Pigeon
Jills®
demonio\)" <robert...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> But I was totally wrong about his affairs--I really didn't think
>he
>had any. Guess I should have figured that he was just repeating a pattern. Sure
>took the tabs a while to dig these women up.
..........as the prosecution's motive for murder fades into
irrelevance just as rapidly as their heretofore number one witness.
Maggie
>demonio\)" <robert...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>> But I was totally wrong about his affairs--I really didn't think
>>he
>>had any. Guess I should have figured that he was just repeating a pattern.
>Sure
>>took the tabs a while to dig these women up.
>
>..........as the prosecution's motive for murder fades into
>irrelevance just as rapidly as their heretofore number one witness.
***That's sort of what I thought, too, and why, like Robert, I've never really
believed these stories about girlfriends--because they were obviously being
promoted by the defense. But now that we have names and dates, I have to agree
that they must be true. Which, of course, pretty much destroys Laci's family's
story that she told them everything.
I've always thought that Laci knew about Amber and I'm even more sure that she
did after reading this.
Maggie
"Here’s a quick note from the estate of the late Senator Strom Thurmond –
Happy Kwanzaa!" -- Jay Leno
Patty
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: "Patty" <eartha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
I think this one demonstrates that Scott could be jealous and possesive. What if
Laci found out about his affair and decided she wanted out of the marriage, Scott
could go into an uncontrollable rage.
:
:
: >
: > Lauren suspects Scott dated Laci to make her jealous, since he brought Laci into
Some friend Shawn is to set up Amber with Scott. Scott sounds like a creep right
off the bat, someone with whom you wouldn't want to set up your good friend. Sounded
like he wasn't even interested in a relationship, just sex. Horny Bastard.
: >
: > As police stepped up their investigation of Scott, they learned from Laci's
: married friend
: > Renee Tomlinson that he once made a serious pass at her- by cupping his hand
: over her butt
: > at a party. She never mentioned it to Laci, says the insider.
:
: Hence the rumors about Scott and one of Laci's friends. Sex Addict Scotty, loaded
: on Viagra and Wine of the Month, goes ass-fishing. And look, he caught one!
I wonder about this one since it was her father who first mentioned that Scott had
made plays or had an affair with one of her friends. Did her father hear this information
later? I think he first mentions it to Globe or Star in January 2003.
:
: Not quite the same as cheating, however. Wonder if the move to Modesto had
: something to do with Scott's activities in San Luis Obispo. And why no affairs
: while in Modesto? Maybe Scott was out of his element. At least until the
: conference
: in Anaheim, and even there he flops, taking another month to finally get hooked
: up.
:
: So Mr. Clingy Philanderer meets Ms. I Wanna Have Your Baby and true loooove
: flows directly into a murder plot.
:
: The article underscores the point I was making way back when: Scott's been a liar
: for a long time. But I was totally wrong about his affairs--I really didn't think
: he
: had any. Guess I should have figured that he was just repeating a pattern. Sure
: took the tabs a while to dig these women up.
I always thought he had previous affairs, figured he had to learn how to polish up
his lies somewhere. Not that he polished up his lies but he lied so easily, without
any guilt. They came too quickly out of his mouth.
:
:
: RstJ
:
:
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
"Maggie" <maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC> wrote in message
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> >On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 18:59:46 GMT, "Robert St. James \(el corazon del
> >demonio\)" <robert...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> But I was totally wrong about his affairs--I really didn't think
> >>he
> >>had any. Guess I should have figured that he was just repeating a pattern.
> >Sure
> >>took the tabs a while to dig these women up.
> >
> jills said:
> >..........as the prosecution's motive for murder fades into
> >irrelevance just as rapidly as their heretofore number one witness.
>
> ***That's sort of what I thought, too, and why, like Robert, I've never really
> believed these stories about girlfriends--because they were obviously being
> promoted by the defense. But now that we have names and dates, I have to agree
> that they must be true. Which, of course, pretty much destroys Laci's family's
> story that she told them everything.
Except when you look closely, it paints a different picture. One of the "affairs"
took place even before Scott was dating Laci. Another one was never consumated
apparently. And one, Janet, Scott might very well have been able to lie his
way out of ("oh, I used to go out with her a long time ago and she's never gotten
over it, yadda"). So Laci might not have been aware of any of them, or at least,
not aware of them as in knowing her husband was an adulterer. So she might
not have told her family anything because she didn't know there was anything
to tell.
Another curious point is that there's nothing from late 1998 to 2003 except Amber.
Why the long break? Dry spell?
> I've always thought that Laci knew about Amber and I'm even more sure that she
> did after reading this.
>
> Maggie
I don't think so, although it certainly can't be ruled out. The article made me
think that there's a good chance Amber knew about Laci, and that appears
to have been far more of a threat to Scott than t'other way 'round.
RstJ
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
"Patty" <...>
> : > "Scott didn't want to take no for an answer, said Lauren. Until then he had
> : held his
> : > emotions inside, but Scott exploded in a crying jag- begging Lauren not to
break
> : off the
> : > relationship.
> I think this one demonstrates that Scott could be jealous and possesive. What
if
> Laci found out about his affair and decided she wanted out of the marriage,
Scott
> could go into an uncontrollable rage.
More likely an uncontrollable fit of tears. It's curious that at no point in the
article do we see Scott worrying about his marriage. He seems to save his
emotions for his outside gfs. I see a pattern, but not one of a guy afraid
of losing his wife so much as a guy trying to get out of his marriage by
making sure he escapes into another relationship. I'm hesitant to extrapolate
from just two affairs (I don't count the pre-marriage one, or the unconsumated
one), but this combined with Scott and Laci's getting married, but not living
together, makes me wonder if Scott felt he was "trapped" into a marriage that
he didn't want, and was too weak to just get a divorce. I'd be curious to find out
how often he went to Prunedale vs. how often Laci came to San Luis Obispo.
Geragos will undoubtably try to use this as evidence of Free-Wheeling Scotty
who had lotsa girlfriends and didn't consider Amber to be anything more than
Miss Nov-Dec. But that's not the pattern I'm seeing. It looks more like someone
looking to the "other woman" to save him from his stifling marriage.
Laci forced herself on a shallow dork who didn't want to be married, but was too
chickenshit to do anything about it.
That make sense?
<...>
> Some friend Shawn is to set up Amber with Scott. Scott sounds like a creep
right
> off the bat, someone with whom you wouldn't want to set up your good friend.
Sounded
> like he wasn't even interested in a relationship, just sex. Horny Bastard.
I see it more as a guy interested in a relationship, but for seriously unhealthy
reasons.
I just don't see all those phone calls as being anything less than a major
obsession
with Amber. I think she was his escape route, but when she began to suspect just
how much of a liar he was, he saw that route closing. The boat purchase is pretty
key--
right after Shawn finds out he's married, and the very same day he finally tells
Amber
about his "lost wife."
But yeah, I'm sure Shawn is carrying some serious guilt over introducing her
friend
to this guy. Amber's lucky she didn't end up with him, because in a few years, LE
would have been looking for *her*.
>
> : >
> : > As police stepped up their investigation of Scott, they learned from Laci's
> : married friend
> : > Renee Tomlinson that he once made a serious pass at her- by cupping his hand
> : over her butt
> : > at a party. She never mentioned it to Laci, says the insider.
> :
> : Hence the rumors about Scott and one of Laci's friends. Sex Addict Scotty,
loaded
> : on Viagra and Wine of the Month, goes ass-fishing. And look, he caught one!
>
> I wonder about this one since it was her father who first mentioned that Scott
had
> made plays or had an affair with one of her friends. Did her father hear this
information
> later? I think he first mentions it to Globe or Star in January 2003.
Maybe her father knows about someone else, someone NE didn't find out about.
<...>
> I always thought he had previous affairs, figured he had to learn how to polish
up
> his lies somewhere. Not that he polished up his lies but he lied so easily,
without
> any guilt. They came too quickly out of his mouth.
And probably used to work just fine, especially with a wife that wasn't going to
let go of him regardless of what he did. LE, of course, had no vested reason to
believe him, and they didn't. But I can see how Laci and her family would have
bought into his lies--if they didn't, then they (and she) would be stuck in the
embarrassing position of having a son-in-law and husband who was a known
cheater, but who was allowed to nevertheless continue. Much easier simply to
deny, and pretend like everything was "perfect." And during the Modesto years,
maybe it was. Until Laci got pregnant and Scott's search for Ms. Escape Route
became desparate, witness his badgering of Shawn to get Amber's phone #.
Anyway, a portrait is starting to emerge of a guy with a lifelong habit of
double-dipping. Except, unlike the typical serial adulterer who's in it just
for the strange pussy, Scott appears to have had deeper, far more disturbing
reasons for looking outside his marriage for fulfillment.
It sounds like one of those horrible marriages where the wife drifts along
in beautific denial while the husband builds up an enormous amount of
rage. Then along comes Amber, another clingy personality, and suddenly
Laci goes from being unwanted wife to major obstacle.
And then he goes and buys a boat...
RstJ
Frosty
>
>Not even Laci's disappearance could take Scott's mind off sex, police
>>discovered.
>
>On Jan.18, 2003, less than a month after Laci disappeared, Scott took time out
>>from the Laci saga to address his sexual desires.
>
>"An official at Dish Network reported to police that Scott called up that day
>>to order several triple X-rated channels added to his service," the insider
>>said. Then on Feb.18, Scott canceled his entire TV service, with good >reason.
>Armed with a search warrant, police entered his home that day to look >for
>further evidence in the case. Said the insider,"It was clear he didn't >want
>police to see his choice of home entertainment."
If this is true, that is REALLY, REALLY scummy. "Several" XXX channels?
20-some days after his wife went missing? I'm surprised he didn't throw a
kegger, too. I'm as horny as the next guy, but I couldn't imagine doing
anything close to that, and so soon. Just use your imagination, fool!
Plus, Showtime and Skinemax are loaded with "blue" programming at night; that
wasn't, erm, stimulating enough for him? Hell, E! and MTV are loaded with
booty, too. And even THAT would be scummy, obviously, but nobody would have to
know, at least.
Frosty
CBZ
"Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)" <robert...@yahoo.com> wrote
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I get inconsistent posts on NGs from my ip, just caught the tail of this
thread.
And, um, sex addiction-who *doesn't* have it? Only hope is your drug of
choice is appropriate.
CBZ
tinydancer
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< td bowing > I told you guys he was a cheater and a player! No matter
how many times you told me I was wrong I stuck to my feeling. Now all we
need is to find out what kind of recreational drugs snotty boy preferred.
td
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> > LACI CAUGHT SCOTT CHEATING
> >
> > His girlfriend walked in and found him in bed with Laci! Scott bought
Viagra
> pills on-line
> > with 11 refills!
> > by Don Gentile, David Wright and Charlie Montgomery
> > National Enquirer January 12 2004 issue
> >
> > synopsis
> >
> > Scott Peterson was caught cheating by his wife Laci in a shocking and
bizarre
> bedroom
> > scene, The NE has learned exclusively. That stunning revelation was
uncovered
> by police
> > and could play a key role in Scott's murder trial.
>
> Affairs from 4yrs ago? Not sure how this would have much bearing, unless
the G
> figures he can make hay out of it. I think I owe somebody something on a
bet,
> tho, as Scott's playthings finally have names and faces.
That would be me. ;-)
td
tinydancer
"Jills®" <jill...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Nope, snotty boy did not want to have a child, that's evident. I remember
early on, when 'his' couple friends were still talking, they said 'scott had
always told them he didn't want children.'
td
>
>
tinydancer
Maybe we just don't know their names yet Robert. Don't you remember it came
out that snotty was seeing some woman who lived in their neighborhood? I'll
bet ya there are more of 'em.
td
Nitamargarita
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I vote for x
Nita
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Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
<bows>I am not worthy...</bows>
So what'cha figure, X and coke? Or, being a man of modern
habits, GHB and vicodin?
And why no squeeze after 1998?
RstJ
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
I tend to agree with Maggie that these are leaks from Team P designed
to downplay the Amber angle. But why not some more recent examples
of that was their aim?
Well, anyway, I'm not sure I understand the strategy. What advantage does
the G gain by making his client look like even *more* of lying shitbag?
RstJ
tinydancer
Personally, snotty looks like an X and coke kinda guy to me. That's what I
thought from the start. Since I'm not a drug expert myself, not having
'used', I am told that when one does X and coke a lot, a bit of viagra might
become necessary.
I still thinks he's had more recent squeezes. After all, he hangs out in
strip clubs ;-)) But seriously, I think snotty's had some all along,
maybe we don't know their names yet, but they are there.
td
>
>
tinydancer
"Nitamargarita" <aadd...@blahblahcox.net> wrote in message
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I agree, but I think he also used a bit of coke too.
td
Patty
:
: More likely an uncontrollable fit of tears. It's curious that at no point in the
: article do we see Scott worrying about his marriage. He seems to save his
: emotions for his outside gfs. I see a pattern, but not one of a guy afraid
: of losing his wife so much as a guy trying to get out of his marriage by
: making sure he escapes into another relationship. I'm hesitant to extrapolate
: from just two affairs (I don't count the pre-marriage one, or the unconsumated
: one), but this combined with Scott and Laci's getting married, but not living
: together, makes me wonder if Scott felt he was "trapped" into a marriage that
: he didn't want, and was too weak to just get a divorce. I'd be curious to find out
: how often he went to Prunedale vs. how often Laci came to San Luis Obispo.
:
I didn't realize Laci was living in Prunedale when they first married. Prundale is
about a two hour drive north from SLO. I'm guessing she was working as a
wine rep at that time since a co-worker's brother knew her and he worked at
a grocery store in Salinas. Had she already graduated when they got married?
Mjkenoyer
point to the mental state and personality of the victim, who unluckily
must have had her own issues to deal with to hook up with a complete
and obvious asshole like Scott.
"Robert St. James \(el corazon del demonio\)" <robert...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<7K1Kb.125999$VB2.394073@attbi_s51>...
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
As far as I can tell, yes. This stuff isn't sourced, so I'm not sure how accurate
it is. But it sounds real enough:
"Laci Peterson graduates from California Polytechnic State University-San Luis
Obispo in 1997 with a degree in ornamental horticulture. On August 9, 1997, Scott
Peterson and Laci Rocha marry at Sycamore Mineral Springs Resort in San Luis
Obispo County's Avila Valley, then honeymoon in Tahiti. According to a report by
KOVR's Gloria Gomez and later enhanced by the National Enquirer, Laci Peterson
discovers Scott Peterson's infidelity shortly after they are married. She is
living in Prunedale, working as a wine distributor, and he is staying with three
male roommates in San Luis Obispo, finishing up college. When she makes a surprise
visit, she is discovered in bed with Scott Peterson by Janet Ilse, who had been
dating him for five months. "
(http://www.crimenews2000.com/lacipeterson/when/when0000.htm)
The affairs in the NE article are from 1998, the year Scott was in school. If
there
are others from late '98-2002, nobody's reporting them. Maybe they stopped when
they started living together, who knows.
"Asked by Hansen if he had ever been engaged or married, he initially replies he
had not, then meets her the next day to confess he had been"
Well, well--that sounds familar, no?
RstJ
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
"Mjkenoyer" <mandjk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> All of these observations are insightful and intelligent. They also
> point to the mental state and personality of the victim, who unluckily
> must have had her own issues to deal with to hook up with a complete
> and obvious asshole like Scott.
It's a touchy area, and I'm hestitant to ascribe any mental issues to
someone just because their husband turns out to be a homicidal asshole.
In fact, perversely, I think that her *not* having any problems made it
easier for Scott to get rid of her. I doubt she had any idea what he was
turning into.
Amber, on the other hand, appears to be every bit as much of disaster
as Scott, and once the two of them linked up, things exploded. Laci
was unfortunate enough to still be married to the guy when that happened.
RstJ
Bo Raxo
Er, you mean the theory that he didn't want to be a father, didn't want
kids? The theory that he'd rather be a player than tied down with family
responsibilities?
Sounds more solid than ever, to me.
Bo Raxo
>
>
>
> Personally, snotty looks like an X and coke kinda guy to me. That's what
I
> thought from the start. Since I'm not a drug expert myself, not having
> 'used', I am told that when one does X and coke a lot, a bit of viagra
might
> become necessary.
>
> I still thinks he's had more recent squeezes. After all, he hangs out in
> strip clubs ;-)) But seriously, I think snotty's had some all along,
> maybe we don't know their names yet, but they are there.
>
> td
Er, strip clubs are for guys who aren't getting laid. He sounds like a guy
who needs constant reassurance that he's attractive, and gets it by
constantly getting notches in his belt. I've known the type, they're
pathetic: as soon as they get one in to bed they're cultivating the next
one.
Often, they don't have the balls to break it off with one when they've
gotten all the ego feeding they can, so they let the previous woman catch
them with the next one (or find out they're married) as a handy way to shed
her. They'll still be sweet-talking a woman who they want rid of.
That's why I'm not certain that Scott was all that concerned if/when Amber
found out he was married. It may have been a regular part of his m.o.,
along with continuing to call her and coo sweet nothings.
Patty
:
: The affairs in the NE article are from 1998, the year Scott was in school. If
: there
: are others from late '98-2002, nobody's reporting them. Maybe they stopped when
: they started living together, who knows.
:
: "Asked by Hansen if he had ever been engaged or married, he initially replies he
: had not, then meets her the next day to confess he had been"
:
: Well, well--that sounds familar, no?
:
:
: RstJ
I guess he couldn't pick up students when he and Laci opened up that restaurant
in SLO, since Laci was right there.
It was reported last year that he had seven affairs during his marriage. Ok we've
got three, and that's including the one without sex, so we've got four more.
It sounds like Scott liked the taboo of having affairs, the getting away with it, pulling
the wool over Laci's eyes. It sounds like he liked the chase, and he liked the drama
of two at once.
Patty
"Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)" <robert...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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:
: "Mjkenoyer" <mandjk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: news:676b15de.04010...@posting.google.com...
: > All of these observations are insightful and intelligent. They also
: > point to the mental state and personality of the victim, who unluckily
: > must have had her own issues to deal with to hook up with a complete
: > and obvious asshole like Scott.
:
: It's a touchy area, and I'm hestitant to ascribe any mental issues to
: someone just because their husband turns out to be a homicidal asshole.
: In fact, perversely, I think that her *not* having any problems made it
: easier for Scott to get rid of her. I doubt she had any idea what he was
: turning into.
:
: Amber, on the other hand, appears to be every bit as much of disaster
: as Scott, and once the two of them linked up, things exploded. Laci
: was unfortunate enough to still be married to the guy when that happened.
:
: RstJ
I think Mjkenoyer makes a good point about Laci and why she chose to
stay with Scott. It certainly makes you wonder how much of a facade her
marriage was to her friends and family. She and Scott no longer come
off as "the perfect couple" and now we wonder if this is why she didn't
talk about Scott when she and her girlfriends had their slumber parties.
Going back to Scott's lying, early on wasn't it said that he made the furniture
in the baby's room but later it turned out that it was bought. I think he told
that lie to People Magazine. He just lied too easily.
tinydancer
"Bo Raxo" <invasio...@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message
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>
> "tinydancer" <tinyd...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:m14Kb.997$zr3...@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> >
> >
> >
> > Personally, snotty looks like an X and coke kinda guy to me. That's
what
> I
> > thought from the start. Since I'm not a drug expert myself, not having
> > 'used', I am told that when one does X and coke a lot, a bit of viagra
> might
> > become necessary.
> >
> > I still thinks he's had more recent squeezes. After all, he hangs out
in
> > strip clubs ;-)) But seriously, I think snotty's had some all
along,
> > maybe we don't know their names yet, but they are there.
> >
> > td
>
> Er, strip clubs are for guys who aren't getting laid.
Not necessarily so. Snotty looks like the kinda guy who might like the
action and danger of the strip club life. The high of the drugs and
sneaking around 'getting some' right there at the club or hooking up with a
stripper after.
He sounds like a guy
> who needs constant reassurance that he's attractive, and gets it by
> constantly getting notches in his belt. I've known the type, they're
> pathetic: as soon as they get one in to bed they're cultivating the next
> one.
>
> Often, they don't have the balls to break it off with one when they've
> gotten all the ego feeding they can, so they let the previous woman catch
> them with the next one (or find out they're married) as a handy way to
shed
> her. They'll still be sweet-talking a woman who they want rid of.
I don't know, could be, but snotty seems more into the danger of discovery,
the drama, the sneaking around, than the actual breaking off. I don't
think we heard of a single woman *he* broke it off with, except for Laci
that is. I think he'd like to swing as many of them along as he can at the
same time.
td
Frosty
>
>And why no squeeze after 1998?
Well, maybe the NE's source was a college friend/roommate of Scott's, who didn't
have any/much contact with him after '98.
Or, maybe Scotty's m.o. for "side dishes" went from more relationship-based
squeezes early on, to one-night-stands later on, which would be harder to find
out about, I would think, and Amber was just a reverting back to his old ways.
Either way, I highly doubt he was a faithful husband from 1999-meeting Amber.
Frosty
Maggie
>news:jd2hvv4r4bf944eb7...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 18:59:46 GMT, "Robert St. James \(el corazon del
>> demonio\)" <robert...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > But I was totally wrong about his affairs--I really didn't think
>> >he
>> >had any. Guess I should have figured that he was just repeating a
>pattern. Sure
>> >took the tabs a while to dig these women up.
>>
>> ..........as the prosecution's motive for murder fades into
>> irrelevance just as rapidly as their heretofore number one witness.
>>
>Er, you mean the theory that he didn't want to be a father, didn't want
>kids? The theory that he'd rather be a player than tied down with family
>responsibilities?
**Nope. The motive that is fading is the one that said that he was obsessed
with Amber and got rid of his wife to be with her.
>
>Sounds more solid than ever, to me.
***Er, who do you think is putting out these stories about his girlfriends?
Hint: it ain't the prosecutor.
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
>
> :
> : The affairs in the NE article are from 1998, the year Scott was in school. If
> : there
> : are others from late '98-2002, nobody's reporting them. Maybe they stopped
when
> : they started living together, who knows.
> :
> : "Asked by Hansen if he had ever been engaged or married, he initially replies
he
> : had not, then meets her the next day to confess he had been"
> :
> : Well, well--that sounds familar, no?
> :
> :
> : RstJ
>
> I guess he couldn't pick up students when he and Laci opened up that restaurant
> in SLO, since Laci was right there.
And he couldn't play the "I'm not married" game very easily, nor does owning
a restaurant open up opportunities for solo travel.
>
> It was reported last year that he had seven affairs during his marriage. Ok
we've
> got three, and that's including the one without sex, so we've got four more.
>
> It sounds like Scott liked the taboo of having affairs, the getting away with
it, pulling
> the wool over Laci's eyes. It sounds like he liked the chase, and he liked the
drama
> of two at once.
Still want to hear more about 1999-2002.
RstJ
Jills®
<tinyd...@nospam.com> wrote:
>< td bowing > I told you guys he was a cheater and a player! No matter
>how many times you told me I was wrong I stuck to my feeling.
>td
And well deserved bows they be!
Jills <applauding>
Jills®
<tinyd...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>"JillsŽ" <jill...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
That may be true....but then that's a different motive from the one
that's been promoted...the one about his all consuming desire to be
free of his wife to be with Amber.
The "no children" motive does not need Amber as a star witness, let
alone as a witness.
Yes?
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
I think that might have been Darth Jackie, but I'm not sure. Supposedly
he decorated the room too, but of course that was Laci. He was supposed
to have done work on the pool, but apparently that was done by workmen.
I think he built a barbeque. Probably practicing his cement work.
I don't get why they had to get married in 1997. Laci wasn't pregnant,
they didn't live together, and Scott obviously wasn't done with the whole
college groping scene. I suppose we could advance a scenario of Laci just
being desparate to "land" a husband. But again, I'm hestitant to suggest
any character flaws in Laci's personality as some kind of explanation. Whatever
her psychological makeup, she didn't deserve to be put down like a family
pet and dumped in SF Bay.
RstJ
tinydancer
"Jills®" <jill...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:m7thvv4qfu79ek5le...@4ax.com...> >"Jills®" <jill...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Sure, but I don't think he did it for Amber. I've said that before, I think
he did it for the lifestyle 'he thought he could live with Amber' maybe.
But the underlying thing was he didn't want to be tied down to a
baby/fatherhood. Laci's fixing up this nursery, going to lammaze classes,
probably telling him all the things they were going to do with that new
baby, and scott saw his whole way of life ahead changing. Gone would be his
easy excuses to be away from the house regularly, his travelling job. Plus
he'd have another mouth to feed, and Laci didn't want to have to go to work
full time, she wanted to be a 'mom.' So not only would there be another
mouth to feed, she wouldn't be helping him feed 'em either.
td
>
tinydancer
;-)) Sorry, couldn't help that. All the 'guff' I took here about the
'player'. ;)
td <still bowing>
tinydancer
I've yet to see a man hog-tied and dragged down the aisle. Scott must have
proposed to Laci.
Not to get off topic, but who the heck is playing Darth Jackie in the
upcoming movie??? I'm dying to know?
td
>
>
Jills®
<invasio...@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote:
>
>"Jills®" <jill...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:jd2hvv4r4bf944eb7...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 18:59:46 GMT, "Robert St. James \(el corazon del
>> demonio\)" <robert...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > But I was totally wrong about his affairs--I really didn't think
>> >he
>> >had any. Guess I should have figured that he was just repeating a
>pattern. Sure
>> >took the tabs a while to dig these women up.
>>
>> ..........as the prosecution's motive for murder fades into
>> irrelevance just as rapidly as their heretofore number one witness.
>>
>
>Er, you mean the theory that he didn't want to be a father, didn't want
>kids?
Er...no. I meant exactly what I referred to above.
> The theory that he'd rather be a player than tied down with family
>responsibilities?
Nope.....wasn't talking about that theory.
>Sounds more solid than ever, to me.
Strange interpretation, IMO.
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
"Frosty" <Frosty...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> In article <%F3Kb.221145$8y1.881381@attbi_s52>, el corazon del demonio\ says...
> >
> >And why no squeeze after 1998?
>
> Well, maybe the NE's source was a college friend/roommate of Scott's, who didn't
> have any/much contact with him after '98.
That would make sense. Surprised NE took so damn long to find this source.
But it certainly sounds like the information might be coming from one of the
guys he was living with.
> Or, maybe Scotty's m.o. for "side dishes" went from more relationship-based
> squeezes early on, to one-night-stands later on, which would be harder to find
> out about, I would think, and Amber was just a reverting back to his old ways.
I don't see him switching back and forth like that, unless the NE stories are
way off base, and they've been surprisingly accurate when it comes to facts.
Their theories, on the other hand, are a bit out there, but the solid factual
basis
has proven to be relatively sound.
I'm still wondering why the tape goes black from 1999-2002. Really hard
to get many details in that timeframe. Maybe Scott just didn't have many
friends. Or something was cramping his adulterous style. Seeing as how
he's a lousy liar, you'd think he would be getting caught fairly often and
at least rumors would be circulating. Maybe there's two, three Amber-style
messes during that period that never saw the light of day because they
took place somewhere other than Modesto.
> Either way, I highly doubt he was a faithful husband from 1999-meeting Amber.
>
> Frosty
Not by choice anyway. Maybe out of inability to get the hook-up. Weird that
an experienced player would have to basically beg to get a girl's number,
then settle for a skanky blond massage therapist with a kid. Kinda sounds
like his golf game--in his mind he was Mickelson's teammate at ASU. In
reality, he was public course hack. Until he got that CC membership, of course.
Wonder if that was to impess Amber at some point, since he never seems
to have actually taken his wife out there.
RstJ
ImNot911
<snip>
>Weird that
>an experienced player would have to basically beg to get a girl's number,
>then settle for a skanky blond massage therapist with a kid.
Maybe Amber and Scott have an illegal addiction in common. She certainly has
the look of a coke addict.
JoAnn
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
I'm sure he did. But people can be talked into things that they really shouldn't
be doing, and Scott's personality seems weak.
> Not to get off topic, but who the heck is playing Darth Jackie in the
> upcoming movie??? I'm dying to know?
>
> td
Don't know. I'm dying to hear how they're going to play the movie, seeing
as how the DA has been silent on how Laci died, motive, and even when
Scott moved the body.
RstJ
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
"ImNot911" <imno...@aol.commotion> wrote in message
news:20040105005338...@mb-m29.aol.com...
It was proposed at one time that her trip to Vero Beach was to go to a drug
rehab. And there's a big HealthSouth rehab center there. All speculation,
but I could definitely see how the DA would want their star witness cleaned
up if she had some kind of drug problem, and her newfound religious faith
is certainly a surprise given what we know of her life.
RstJ
Frosty
>
>: > Amber's friend Shawn Sibley, who works for a company that does agriculture
>>: > research, met the fertilizer salesman at a conference in Oct 2002.
>: >
>: > As usual, Scott said he was single. He told Shawn he was looking to get
>: > involved in a serious relationship. "What should he write on his name tag
>>: > that would attract a woman," he asked? Shawn suggested, "I'm rich." Scott
>>: > suggested, H.B. for "Horny Bastard." At dinner in Anaheim, Scott made
>: > obvious passes at Shawn, even though he knew she was engaged. He asked ?>:
>> Shawn what her favorite sex positions were and other suggestive
>: > questions," said the insider. "He lied to her about where he lived, telling
>: > Shawn he had homes in Sacramento and San Diego.
>:
>: > Shawn wanted nothing to do with him, but she made a fateful mistake by
>: > giving him Amber's phone number and the two would soon hook up.
>
>Some friend Shawn is to set up Amber with Scott. Scott sounds like a creep
>>right off the bat, someone with whom you wouldn't want to set up your good
>friend. Sounded like he wasn't even interested in a relationship, just sex.
>>Horny Bastard.
Yeah, he was a real prince. And, in case anybody didn't notice the date that
this went down, Laci was about 5 months pregnant when he did this "Horny
Bastard"/"what's your favorite sex position?" routine. What a gem of a human
being he is.
And maybe Shawn knew that Amber was a pro, and was just looking to kick her
another "client". Shawn giving Scott Amber's phone number could say as much
about Amber as it does Shawn, and it doesn't reflect well on either of them.
Frosty
Mjkenoyer
> I tend to agree with Maggie that these are leaks from Team P designed
> to downplay the Amber angle. But why not some more recent examples
> of that was their aim?
My guess is that Scotty got better at hiding the fact that he was
philandering after being caught in bed "cheating" on his mistress with
his wife. (Ulg--now there's a 10-foot pole I don't want to touch.)
TD has a later point in that he probably has been a busy rabbit these
past five years, but has just kept it under better wraps--from Laci,
her family, and probably even the NE. Maybe it hasn't clued in to
dozens of women between San Luis Obispo and San Fran that the stud
they bedded a few years back was none other than the Wife-Killer
Himself--or maybe said women don't want to admit it to anyone, even to
LE or themselves.
> Well, anyway, I'm not sure I understand the strategy. What advantage does
> the G gain by making his client look like even *more* of lying shitbag?
>
> RstJ
I've heard it argued that the P team is going to paint a different
picture of Scott than the "loving husband" image that he and Mama and
Daddy Darth been trying to pimp to the public recently. The defense's
picture is supposed to be less-than-flattering, but is supposed to
discount the obsession-over-Amber scenario by depicting Snott as an
indescriminate, spoiled-brat womanizer who basically thought he could
sleep with any woman whenever and wherever he pleased, so Amber is
supposedly just another notch in the belt in a series of whores--so
why, the defense wants to argue, is Amber so special to Scott that he
wants to murder over her?
They (and TD) could have a point that Scott is a serial womanizer, but
the defense's premise doesn't make me doubt Scott's guilt. If
anything, I concur with TD that Amber is much more the straw that
broke the camel's back in addition to being another notch in the belt.
tinydancer
snipped> >
> > I've yet to see a man hog-tied and dragged down the aisle. Scott must
have
> > proposed to Laci.
>
> I'm sure he did. But people can be talked into things that they really
shouldn't
> be doing, and Scott's personality seems weak.
I suppose that's true, but he seems so selfish to me, like it would be hard
to get him to do anything he really didn't want to, say like 'becoming a
father'. ;) He certainly figured a way out of that one.
>
> > Not to get off topic, but who the heck is playing Darth Jackie in the
> > upcoming movie??? I'm dying to know?
> >
> > td
>
> Don't know. I'm dying to hear how they're going to play the movie, seeing
> as how the DA has been silent on how Laci died, motive, and even when
> Scott moved the body.
Me too, I think it's in a little over a month when the movie is shown. Wish
we had a cast list, wonder who will play Laci? It should be very
interesting to see their spin on things.
td
>
>
> RstJ
>
>
>
ImNot911
>And maybe Shawn knew that Amber was a pro, and was just looking to kick her
>another "client". Shawn giving Scott Amber's phone number could say as much
>about Amber as it does Shawn, and it doesn't reflect well on either of them.
>
>Frosty
>
Good point, Frosty. I was thinking all around that concept but hadn't
solidified the thought yet.
JoAnn
tinydancer
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>
snipped> >
> >
> > < td bowing > I told you guys he was a cheater and a player! No
> matter
> we
> > need is to find out what kind of recreational drugs snotty boy
> preferred.
> >
> > td
> >
>
> Well, I believed you, tiny. I am guessing viagra and ecstacy. And lots
of
> beer.
> Betsy
Yeah, but I'm still thinking a bit of coke too. He certainly did lose that
bloated look he had once he got jailed, didn't he?
td
> >
> >
> >
>
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Mjkenoyer
> "Mjkenoyer" <mandjk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:676b15de.04010...@posting.google.com...
> > All of these observations are insightful and intelligent. They also
> > point to the mental state and personality of the victim, who unluckily
> > must have had her own issues to deal with to hook up with a complete
> > and obvious asshole like Scott.
>
> It's a touchy area, and I'm hestitant to ascribe any mental issues to
> someone just because their husband turns out to be a homicidal asshole.
> In fact, perversely, I think that her *not* having any problems made it
> easier for Scott to get rid of her. I doubt she had any idea what he was
> turning into.
>
> Amber, on the other hand, appears to be every bit as much of disaster
> as Scott, and once the two of them linked up, things exploded. Laci
> was unfortunate enough to still be married to the guy when that happened.
>
> RstJ
Hrm. I am hoping that is the case, that Laci was otherwise a
well-adjusted young woman who ended up making a grievous mistake in a
life partner. Without knowing Laci personally, I risk making horribly
erroneous character judgments (especially since Laci isn't around to
defend herself against such judgments).
However, I need to wax psychopop for a moment in that I have
personally known otherwise sweet and good-hearted women who fall into
"project" relationships in which they feel the need to play constant
caregiver and repairwoman of a "broken" man. The marriage of Scott and
Laci would have to be a vapid relationship indeed if Laci wasn't clued
in to Scott's vulnerabilities behind that veneer to constantly
schmooze his way out of shit.
We've seen examples of his constant sweet-talking (witness the "hey,
Beautiful" phone message and also the Amber telephone transcript); was
Laci really that dull-headed to fall for such obvious bullshit in a
five-year marriage? I would venture a guess to say she was probably
pitifully naive at best; at worst, she had a need (and neediness) to
take care of some bad boy whom she wouldn't have a prayer in hell of
ever fixing...but like you said, it's a touchy subject, and shame on
me for treading on a dead woman's grave...I'm just saying that, in a
relationship with someone as clearly a psychopathical liar as Scott,
it takes two to participate. And perpetual denial isn't a healthy
trait of a person supposedly without problems--it's just a subversive
way for a person not to deal with said problems.
tinydancer
"ImNot911" <imno...@aol.commotion> wrote in message
Yeah but, you don't pick up your 'pro's' kid from daycare, do ya? I
wouldn't know for sure, but it just doesn't seem so to me.
td
Patty
"Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)" <robert...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7K1Kb.125999$VB2.394073@attbi_s51...
:
: I see it more as a guy interested in a relationship, but for seriously unhealthy
: reasons.
: I just don't see all those phone calls as being anything less than a major
: obsession
: with Amber. I think she was his escape route, but when she began to suspect just
: how much of a liar he was, he saw that route closing. The boat purchase is pretty
: key--
: right after Shawn finds out he's married, and the very same day he finally tells
: Amber
: about his "lost wife."
:
After the way he talked to Shawn, I'm thinking many of those phone calls
were phone sex. If he talked to Shawn liked that, chances are he also
talked to Amber like that.
ImNot911
>Wish
>we had a cast list, wonder who will play Laci? It should be very
>interesting to see their spin on things.
>
>td
Some of the "Perfect Husband" cast
found at imdb.
Louise Gallagher plays Jackie Peterson
Joe Howard...Lee Peterson
Tracy Middendorf...Amber Frey
Meredith Lieber...Laci
Dee Wallace-Stone....Sharon Rocha
katy...@sbcglobal.net
upcoming movie??? I'm dying to know?
td>>
This is all I could find so far. No word on who will play Amber or Darth
Jackie.
Katie
Dee Wallace-Stone, best known for her role in Steven Spielberg's "E.T. The
Extra-Terrestrial," will play Laci's mother, Sharon Rocha. Tim Quill, who
was featured in Steven Bochco's pilot for Fox's "NYPD 2069," will play
Laci's brother Brent. David Denman, who will next be seen in the features
"The Big Fish" and "The Singing Detective," will play Tommy Vignatti, a
close friend of both Laci and Scott.
Emmy-winning director Roger Young ("Murder in Mississippi") is on board to
direct from a script by Dave Erickson (USA's "Murder in Greenwich").
katy...@sbcglobal.net
found at imdb.
Louise Gallagher plays Jackie Peterson
Joe Howard...Lee Peterson
Tracy Middendorf...Amber Frey
Meredith Lieber...Laci
Dee Wallace-Stone....Sharon Rocha
Damn... Imnot911
Good job. You scooped me by 2 min and you had better info. Geez
Katie< going to bed now
tinydancer
"ImNot911" <imno...@aol.commotion> wrote in message
Thanks, I don't seem to know any of them except for Dee Wallace-Stone.
td
>
Jills®
>
>"JillsŽ" wrote .
>> On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 20:45:45 -0500, "tinydancer" wrote:
>> >"JillsŽ" wrote
>> >> On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 "Robert St. James wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > But I was totally wrong about his affairs--I really didn't think he
>> >> >had any. Guess I should have figured that he was just repeating a
>> >> > pattern. Sure took the tabs a while to dig these women up.
>> >> ..........as the prosecution's motive for murder fades into
>> >> irrelevance just as rapidly as their heretofore number one witness.
>> >
>> >Nope, snotty boy did not want to have a child, that's evident. I remember
>> >early on, when 'his' couple friends were still talking, they said 'scott had
>> >always told them he didn't want children.'
>>
>> That may be true....but then that's a different motive from the one
>> that's been promoted...the one about his all consuming desire to be
>> free of his wife to be with Amber.
>> The "no children" motive does not need Amber as a star witness, let
>> alone as a witness.
>> Yes?
>
>
>Sure, but I don't think he did it for Amber.
Exactly! And that's precisely what I was referring to.
>I've said that before, I think
>he did it for the lifestyle 'he thought he could live with Amber' maybe.
>But the underlying thing was he didn't want to be tied down to a
>baby/fatherhood.
Methinks that you have more common sense than the Stanislaus Co.
DA........at least this theory is more plausible. But seems they're
kinda stuck for the past year or so with a certain Ms. Frey as their
motive and star witness.
tinydancer
<katy...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:FI7Kb.5727$f92....@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
Thanks Katy, now I'm getting anxious to see it, what they do, and how the
characters play the people we've watched on TV.
td
>
>
>
tinydancer
> >
> > "Glenn and Betsy" <b.fe...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:eg7Kb.128622$VB2.429397@attbi_s51...
> > >
> > snipped> >
> > > >
> > > > < td bowing > I told you guys he was a cheater and a player!
No
> > > matter
> > > > how many times you told me I was wrong I stuck to my feeling.
Now
> all
> > > we
> > > > need is to find out what kind of recreational drugs snotty boy
> > > preferred.
> > > >
> > > > td
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, I believed you, tiny. I am guessing viagra and ecstacy. And
> lots
> > of
> > > beer.
> > > Betsy
> >
> >
> > Yeah, but I'm still thinking a bit of coke too. He certainly did lose
> that
> > bloated look he had once he got jailed, didn't he?
> >
> > td
> >
> don't know anything about drugs. Coke makes you bloated?
I don't know, I was thinking more all that beer, but I'm not even a beer
drinker, so I wouldn't know for sure. ;) He did have a druggy look to me
though.
td
>
> Betsy <what about *diet * coke? ;-)
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----
>
>
>
>
>
ImNot911
>> >Wish
>> >we had a cast list, wonder who will play Laci? It should be very
>> >interesting to see their spin on things.
>> >
>> >td
>>
>> Some of the "Perfect Husband" cast
>> found at imdb.
>>
>> Louise Gallagher plays Jackie Peterson
>> Joe Howard...Lee Peterson
>> Tracy Middendorf...Amber Frey
>> Meredith Lieber...Laci
>> Dee Wallace-Stone....Sharon Rocha
>
>
>Thanks, I don't seem to know any of them except for Dee Wallace-Stone.
>
>td
>
Louise Gallagher photo at http://www.louise-gallagher.com/
Bo Raxo
"Maggie" <maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC> wrote in message
news:20040104235001...@mb-m18.aol.com...
> >> demonio\)" <robert...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> > But I was totally wrong about his affairs--I really didn't think
> >> >he
> >> >had any. Guess I should have figured that he was just repeating a
> >pattern. Sure
> >> >took the tabs a while to dig these women up.
> >>
> >> ..........as the prosecution's motive for murder fades into
> >> irrelevance just as rapidly as their heretofore number one witness.
> >>
> >Er, you mean the theory that he didn't want to be a father, didn't want
> >responsibilities?
>
> **Nope. The motive that is fading is the one that said that he was
obsessed
> with Amber and got rid of his wife to be with her.
> >
> >Sounds more solid than ever, to me.
>
girlfriends?
> Hint: it ain't the prosecutor.
>
>
>
> Maggie
>
Okay, I can see my sarcasm was too subtle for some. Let me spell it out:
The prosecution has EVIDENCE. From which it builds a THEORY of the crime.
The EVIDENCE above are the affairs. The THEORY of the crime is where you
try to explain, apart from how he killed his wife, why he did it. Motive
isn't legally required to convict, but I would think juries like to hear
one.
The THEORY of the crime that you were postulating - that he killed her
because he wanted to be a single guy hopping from chick to chick - is not
the THEORY of the crime I think the prosecution will get from the same
EVIDENCE.
I think the theory of the crime will be that he was just fine being married
and cheating on her, the problem would be having a child. He didn't want to
be tied down in that respect. It's a theory of the crime that not only fits
the crime but also it's timing, as she got closer to her due date.
I thought that this difference in interpretation was obvious from my earlier
post, but clearly I have to spell it out in v-e-r-y s-i-m-p-l-e
t-e-r-m-s .
Bo Raxo
Bo Raxo
>
> "Frosty" <Frosty...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> news:btapc...@drn.newsguy.com...
> > In article <%F3Kb.221145$8y1.881381@attbi_s52>, el corazon del demonio\
says...
> > >
> > >And why no squeeze after 1998?
> >
> > Well, maybe the NE's source was a college friend/roommate of Scott's,
who didn't
> > have any/much contact with him after '98.
>
> That would make sense. Surprised NE took so damn long to find this source.
> But it certainly sounds like the information might be coming from one of
the
> guys he was living with.
>
Pick at random a hundred men who went to college and graduate five, six
years ago.
Go and talk to the college roommated of every one.
What percentage do you think would have at least one ex-roommate who would
say something nasty about them? Add in the fact that the tabloids pay for
these stories, thousands of dollars for a good tale.
I'd bet you would get dirt on 80-90% of the men in the sample population.
Bo Raxo
Bo Raxo
"ImNot911" <imno...@aol.commotion> wrote in message
> >>
> >> Louise Gallagher plays Jackie Peterson
> >> Joe Howard...Lee Peterson
> >> Tracy Middendorf...Amber Frey
> >> Meredith Lieber...Laci
http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0509345/photogallery
http://timstvshowcase.com/bickford.html
She's the brunette in the group shot.
> >> Dee Wallace-Stone....Sharon Rocha
ImNot911
>I think the theory of the crime will be that he was just fine being married
>and cheating on her, the problem would be having a child. He didn't want to
>be tied down in that respect. It's a theory of the crime that not only fits
>the crime but also it's timing, as she got closer to her due date.
>
>I thought that this difference in interpretation was obvious from my earlier
>post, but clearly I have to spell it out in v-e-r-y s-i-m-p-l-e
>t-e-r-m-s .
>
>
>Bo Raxo
>
I a-g-r-e-e.
Michael Snyder
>
> "Bo Raxo" <invasio...@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message
> news:En5Kb.37781$Pg1....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > Er, strip clubs are for guys who aren't getting laid.
>
> Not necessarily so.
Indeed not -- I've taken lots of women-I-was-getting-laid-by
to strip clubs. Tiny will now say something insulting about these women...
Sherman
"Bo Raxo" <invasio...@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message
news:En5Kb.37781$Pg1....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Personally, snotty looks like an X and coke kinda guy to me. That's
what
> I
> > thought from the start. Since I'm not a drug expert myself, not having
> > 'used', I am told that when one does X and coke a lot, a bit of viagra
> might
> > become necessary.
> >
> > I still thinks he's had more recent squeezes. After all, he hangs out
in
> > strip clubs ;-)) But seriously, I think snotty's had some all
along,
> > maybe we don't know their names yet, but they are there.
> >
> > td
>
> Er, strip clubs are for guys who aren't getting laid. He sounds like a
guy
> who needs constant reassurance that he's attractive, and gets it by
> constantly getting notches in his belt. I've known the type, they're
> pathetic: as soon as they get one in to bed they're cultivating the next
> one.
>
> Often, they don't have the balls to break it off with one when they've
> gotten all the ego feeding they can, so they let the previous woman catch
> them with the next one (or find out they're married) as a handy way to
shed
> her. They'll still be sweet-talking a woman who they want rid of.
>
> That's why I'm not certain that Scott was all that concerned if/when Amber
> found out he was married. It may have been a regular part of his m.o.,
> along with continuing to call her and coo sweet nothings.
>
>
Er, strip clubs / tittie bars are for guys who like to go to them!
Has nothing to do with any other women, including wives and sixteen
concurrent girlfriends. It has to do with who and what the Catmouth is.
To a sociopathetic narcissist, the women and, for that matter, any living
creatures, are simply living "fodder" for their character defects.
Sherman.
tinydancer
"Sherman" <Sher...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:0SgKb.5547$uF6.1...@news1.news.adelphia.net...
Thanks Sherm, I didn't think bo had it right on that one either, but since
I'm not an expert I couldn't say for sure.
td
Maggie
><snip>
>>Weird that
>>an experienced player would have to basically beg to get a girl's number,
>>then settle for a skanky blond massage therapist with a kid.
>
>has
>the look of a coke addict.
>JoAnn
***But Scott doesn't look like a coke addict. More like a beer addict.
Maggie
"Here’s a quick note from the estate of the late Senator Strom Thurmond –
Happy Kwanzaa!" -- Jay Leno
Maggie
****...and that is inspired casting, IMO.
Maggie
>> >> demonio\)" <robert...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > But I was totally wrong about his affairs--I really didn't think
>> >> >he
>> >> >had any. Guess I should have figured that he was just repeating a
>> >pattern. Sure
>> >> >took the tabs a while to dig these women up.
>> >>
>> >> ..........as the prosecution's motive for murder fades into
>> >> irrelevance just as rapidly as their heretofore number one witness.
>> >>
>> bo said:
>> >Er, you mean the theory that he didn't want to be a father, didn't want
>> >kids? The theory that he'd rather be a player than tied down with family
>> >responsibilities?
>>
>> **Nope. The motive that is fading is the one that said that he was
>obsessed
>> with Amber and got rid of his wife to be with her.
>> >
bo said:
>> >Sounds more solid than ever, to me.
>>
>> ***Er, who do you think is putting out these stories about his
>girlfriends?
>> Hint: it ain't the prosecutor.
bo said:
>Okay, I can see my sarcasm was too subtle for some. Let me spell it out:
>
>The prosecution has EVIDENCE. From which it builds a THEORY of the crime.
>
>The EVIDENCE above are the affairs. The THEORY of the crime is where you
>try to explain, apart from how he killed his wife, why he did it. Motive
>isn't legally required to convict, but I would think juries like to hear
>one.
***Oh, dear. You're going waaaaaaaay to fast for slow, little ol' me, Bo,
honey. I'm just not as smart as you are, I guess. Let me read it again.
>
>The THEORY of the crime that you were postulating - that he killed her
>because he wanted to be a single guy hopping from chick to chick - is not
>the THEORY of the crime I think the prosecution will get from the same
>EVIDENCE.
***Uh-oh. I think you are a little bit confused here. I've certainly never
proposed the above as my THEORY of the crime (is that the same thing as
"theory," BTW? Just curious).
>
>I think the theory of the crime will be that he was just fine being married
>and cheating on her, the problem would be having a child. He didn't want
>to
>be tied down in that respect. It's a theory of the crime that not only
>fits
>the crime but also it's timing, as she got closer to her due date.
***Could be. But the fact that Amber has a child will make that one a little
harder for the jury to swallow.
>
>I thought that this difference in interpretation was obvious from my earlier
>post, but clearly I have to spell it out in v-e-r-y s-i-m-p-l-e
>t-e-r-m-s .
***Whoa!! Not so fast, Einstein.
FWIW, I think the whole thing was probably an accident, or at least not
premeditated for any significant period of time--perhaps rage out of control
As such, I doubt there was any real identifiable motive that will ever make any
sense. IMO the prosecution would be better advised to postulate a rage killing
than anything premeditated. There are way too many problems with all the
premeditation theories.
Patty
> >> >> On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 18:59:46 GMT, "Robert St. James \(el corazon del
> >> >> demonio\)" <robert...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > But I was totally wrong about his affairs--I really didn't think
> >> >> >he
> >> >> >had any. Guess I should have figured that he was just repeating a
> >> >pattern. Sure
> >> >> >took the tabs a while to dig these women up.
> >> >>
> >> >> ..........as the prosecution's motive for murder fades into
> >> >> irrelevance just as rapidly as their heretofore number one witness.
> >> >>
> >> bo said:
> >> >Er, you mean the theory that he didn't want to be a father, didn't want
> >> >kids? The theory that he'd rather be a player than tied down with family
> >> >responsibilities?
> >>
> >> **Nope. The motive that is fading is the one that said that he was
> >obsessed
> >> with Amber and got rid of his wife to be with her.
> >> >
> bo said:
> >> >Sounds more solid than ever, to me.
> >>
> maggie said:
> >> ***Er, who do you think is putting out these stories about his
> >girlfriends?
> >> Hint: it ain't the prosecutor.
>
> >Okay, I can see my sarcasm was too subtle for some. Let me spell it out:
> >
> >The prosecution has EVIDENCE. From which it builds a THEORY of the crime.
> >
> >The EVIDENCE above are the affairs. The THEORY of the crime is where you
> >try to explain, apart from how he killed his wife, why he did it. Motive
> >isn't legally required to convict, but I would think juries like to hear
> >one.
>
> honey. I'm just not as smart as you are, I guess. Let me read it again.
> >
> >because he wanted to be a single guy hopping from chick to chick - is not
> >the THEORY of the crime I think the prosecution will get from the same
> >EVIDENCE.
>
> proposed the above as my THEORY of the crime (is that the same thing as
> "theory," BTW? Just curious).
> >
> >and cheating on her, the problem would be having a child. He didn't want
> >to
> >be tied down in that respect. It's a theory of the crime that not only
> >fits
> >the crime but also it's timing, as she got closer to her due date.
>
> harder for the jury to swallow.
> >
> >post, but clearly I have to spell it out in v-e-r-y s-i-m-p-l-e
> >t-e-r-m-s .
>
>
> FWIW, I think the whole thing was probably an accident, or at least not
> premeditated for any significant period of time--perhaps rage out of control
> As such, I doubt there was any real identifiable motive that will ever make any
> sense. IMO the prosecution would be better advised to postulate a rage killing
> than anything premeditated. There are way too many problems with all the
> premeditation theories.
>
>
> Maggie
I've always thought it was an accident, with some hesitation when
during the prelim we found out he had bought a fishing license for Dec
23-24 and also said he was going golfing the day before. I think that
can even be explained away even with an accidental killing. I've
never bought Tiny's theory about the throwaway boat. He probably did
buy that license to go fishing after he bought his little boat, but
then we got all that rain and bad weather he changed his plans. But
then Laci was killed and he changed them back except he didn't fish.
And fishing in the bay in that boat, well TD always says Scott has
champagne tastes therefore wouldn't buy a cheap small boat like that.
I've never thought that but Scott seems like he's a risktaker so I can
see him thinking he can go out into the bay with a little boat, but
his plans were probably during better weather.
And I think I said it long before TD did that Scott was a cheater. I
figured early on that he must have cheated before because of his ease
with lying.
Frosty
>
>It sounds like Scott liked the taboo of having affairs, the getting away with
>>it, pulling the wool over Laci's eyes. It sounds like he liked the chase, and
>>he liked the drama of two at once.
He probably liked the sex, too.
:b
Frosty
Sherman
"ImNot911" <imno...@aol.commotion> wrote in message
> >From: "Robert St. James
> <snip>
> >Weird that
> >an experienced player would have to basically beg to get a girl's number,
> >then settle for a skanky blond massage therapist with a kid.
>
> Maybe Amber and Scott have an illegal addiction in common. She certainly
has
> the look of a coke addict.
> JoAnn
>
I vote for "ice".
Sherm.
Jills®
......not to mention C-O-N-D-E-S-C-E-N-D-I-N-G
IMO, your problem is that you don't bother to listen nor minimally
attempt to understand what others are saying. Because you are so full
of yourself (complete with your oh-so-lofty air of superiority), you
take the words and thoughts of others and dis ingenuously rearrange
the meaning at will, all to promote your agenda. You mutilate the
original subject of a thread, demean the author and then stomp around
in a hiss, condescending fit of unending self aggrandizement.
Grow up.
Jilts
Jills®
wrote:
By golly, I gotta agree with ya here, Frosty.
Liked it ALOT!!
(Hmmmmm.....guess he's not ALL bad, eh? ;)
Jills
Jills®
>Bo Raxo wrote:
>>I thought that this difference in interpretation was obvious from my earlier
>>post, but clearly I have to spell it out in v-e-r-y s-i-m-p-l-e
>>t-e-r-m-s .
>
>......not to mention C-O-N-D-E-S-C-E-N-D-I-N-G
>
>IMO, your problem is that you don't bother to listen nor minimally
>attempt to understand what others are saying. Because you are so full
>of yourself (complete with your oh-so-lofty air of superiority), you
>take the words and thoughts of others and dis ingenuously rearrange
>the meaning at will, all to promote your agenda. You mutilate the
>original subject of a thread, demean the author and then stomp around
>in a hiss, condescending fit of unending self aggrandizement.
>
>Grow up.
>
>Jilts
>
LOL...make that HISSY
and
*Jills*
:))))
Hmmm.....on second thought...........
Frosty
>
>Yeah but, you don't pick up your 'pro's' kid from daycare, do ya? I
>wouldn't know for sure, but it just doesn't seem so to me.
Picking up a "pro"'s kid from daycare is the LEAST of what some guys would do,
td. You've read the stories: successful business owner goes totally ga-ga for
some stripper, winds up paying her rent, buying her groceries, paying the
hospital bills for her sick mother, and, should she have one, picking up her kid
from daycare (and probably paying for it, too). 6-8 months later, the guy's
declaring bankruptcy, someone's dead, and someone's arrested.
And I'm not even saying for sure that Amber was a hooker, although it's
certainly a possibility that she gave her share of "happy endings". What I am
saying is that something made Shawn think "I'll hook him up with Amber", and
whatever that something was, wasn't flattering. Scott's coming off like a total
horn-dog asshole, and Shawn gives him Amber's number, anyway? Either Shawn's a
total idiot, Shawn knew Amber was easy/desperate/a pro, or both.
Frosty
Bo Raxo
"Michael Snyder" <msn...@redhat.com> wrote in message
news:J7dKb.6674$XF6.1...@typhoon.sonic.net...
Good point, some women dig 'em. There's a place in Reno called (not
curprisingly) The Men's Club. They serve dinner there, a woman I was
dating in San Francisco raved about the food. We had some delicious steaks
there, with her mother.
Bonus points: her ex-boyfriend's ex-wife worked there as a "dancer". He was
a nice fellow, I kinda felt sorry for him that I was not only was I sleeping
with the woman that dumped him, but I also got a lap dance from his ex-wife.
Eventually, she dumped me and went back to him, so I s'pose it all evened
out, kinda sorta.
Jills®
wrote:
>And I'm not even saying for sure that Amber was a hooker, although it's
>certainly a possibility that she gave her share of "happy endings". What I am
>saying is that something made Shawn think "I'll hook him up with Amber", and
>whatever that something was, wasn't flattering. Scott's coming off like a total
>horn-dog asshole, and Shawn gives him Amber's number, anyway? Either Shawn's a
>total idiot, Shawn knew Amber was easy/desperate/a pro, or both.
>
>Frosty
Careful, Frosty.... you're gonna bring ol' Caddie out from whatever
rock he's been hiding himself under.
You do recall he doesn't take kindly to any derogative remark about
his epitome of feminine virtuosity, Ms. Frey
Bo Raxo
> On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 19:44:58 GMT, Jills® <jill...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Bo Raxo wrote:
>
> >>I thought that this difference in interpretation was obvious from my
earlier
> >>post, but clearly I have to spell it out in v-e-r-y s-i-m-p-l-e
> >>t-e-r-m-s .
> >
> >......not to mention C-O-N-D-E-S-C-E-N-D-I-N-G
> >
> >IMO, your problem is that you don't bother to listen nor minimally
> >attempt to understand what others are saying.
Example?
>>Because you are so full
> >of yourself (complete with your oh-so-lofty air of superiority), you
> >take the words and thoughts of others and dis ingenuously rearrange
> >the meaning at will, all to promote your agenda.
Feel free to point out specific examples. If any.
>>You mutilate the
> >original subject of a thread, demean the author and then stomp around
> >in a hiss, condescending fit of unending self aggrandizement.
I mutilate the subject of the thread? Quite an imagination you have there.
I do sometimes use a thread to expand in to other ideas that relate to law,
justice, and crime. Sorry if this makes you dizzy.
And I am condescening, but I try to limit it to responding to something
really, really stupid. Usually when someone is arguing with something that
I didn't say: often someone has some pet peeve or point they are obsessed
on, and they respond to a post of mine to make their pet argument, except it
doesn't apply to what I said. For example, today somebody was whining on
the Auman thread that she didn't know they were skinheads, in response to a
post of mine where I never said she did know such a thing.
Hard to not be condescending when you're responding to something idiotic.
Well, hard for me, anyway.
> >
> >Grow up.
I'll let you set the example of maturity, and stay my lovable self, thanks.
> >
> >Jilts
> >
> LOL...make that HISSY
> and
>
> *Jills*
>
Yeah, you are pretty hissy today, I agree.
Uh oh, there I go with my disingenuous mutilation. I'm a weapon of mass
disengenuousness!
> :))))
>
> Hmmm.....on second thought...........
You? Second thoughts? Never!
Frosty
>
>I don't see him switching back and forth like that, unless the NE stories are
>way off base, and they've been surprisingly accurate when it comes to facts.
>Their theories, on the other hand, are a bit out there, but the solid factual
>basis has proven to be relatively sound.
>
>I'm still wondering why the tape goes black from 1999-2002. Really hard
>to get many details in that timeframe. Maybe Scott just didn't have many
>friends. Or something was cramping his adulterous style. Seeing as how
>he's a lousy liar, you'd think he would be getting caught fairly often and
>at least rumors would be circulating. Maybe there's two, three Amber-style
>messes during that period that never saw the light of day because they
>took place somewhere other than Modesto.
>
>> Either way, I highly doubt he was a faithful husband from 1999-meeting Amber.
>>
>> Frosty
>
>Not by choice anyway. Maybe out of inability to get the hook-up.
Nah. I know it bothers you to think that Scott could pull chicks, but by all
accounts, it looks like he could. And there was no 3-year dry spell. He either
straightened up (unlikely), or the NE/LE just hasn't gotten around to revealing
the details of his sex life from 1999-2002 yet.
>Weird that an experienced player would have to basically beg to get a girl's
>>number, then settle for a skanky blond massage therapist with a kid.
Yeah, but who knows how long he was planning to settle with her. My guess (if
he'd gotten away with it, obviously): 6 months, tops. Also, think about whos
number he was begging for: he probably heard "skinny" (which Laci wasn't at the
time), "blonde", and "massage therapist", and was like "hubba-hubba!".
>Kinda sounds
>like his golf game--in his mind he was Mickelson's teammate at ASU. In
>reality, he was public course hack. Until he got that CC membership, of course.
>Wonder if that was to impess Amber at some point, since he never seems
>to have actually taken his wife out there.
Speaking of the CC membership, it almost seems like an argument against
premeditation. Is that like the numero uno CC in Cali or something? If not,
why would he join a CC so close to the scene of his dirty deed? Why would he
want that constant reminder (had he gotten away with it, of course), every time
he went out to play golf? Do you think he was planning on staying at the murder
house? Whoops, forgot: of course he wasn't. He tried to sell it.
My point is: why would he buy something as long-term as a CC membership if he
might not've planned on being in the area much longer? Well, I guess his
territory for his job was in that area, so he'd've been around either way.
Don't mind me, I'm just typing as I'm thinking.
Frosty
Bo Raxo
> In article <sT6Kb.128366$VB2.428033@attbi_s51>, el corazon del demonio\
says...
> >
> >
>
> Nah. I know it bothers you to think that Scott could pull chicks, but by
all
> accounts, it looks like he could. And there was no 3-year dry spell. He
either
> straightened up (unlikely), or the NE/LE just hasn't gotten around to
revealing
> the details of his sex life from 1999-2002 yet.
I think you are 100% right on here.
>
> >Weird that an experienced player would have to basically beg to get a
girl's
> >>number, then settle for a skanky blond massage therapist with a kid.
>
> Yeah, but who knows how long he was planning to settle with her. My guess
(if
> he'd gotten away with it, obviously): 6 months, tops. Also, think about
whos
> number he was begging for: he probably heard "skinny" (which Laci wasn't
at the
> time), "blonde", and "massage therapist", and was like "hubba-hubba!".
EXACTLY!!!
>
> >Kinda sounds
> >like his golf game--in his mind he was Mickelson's teammate at ASU. In
> >reality, he was public course hack. Until he got that CC membership, of
course.
> >Wonder if that was to impess Amber at some point, since he never seems
> >to have actually taken his wife out there.
>
> Speaking of the CC membership, it almost seems like an argument against
> premeditation. Is that like the numero uno CC in Cali or something? If
not,
> why would he join a CC so close to the scene of his dirty deed? Why would
he
> want that constant reminder (had he gotten away with it, of course), every
time
> he went out to play golf? Do you think he was planning on staying at the
murder
> house? Whoops, forgot: of course he wasn't. He tried to sell it.
>
> My point is: why would he buy something as long-term as a CC membership if
he
> might not've planned on being in the area much longer? Well, I guess his
> territory for his job was in that area, so he'd've been around either way.
I'm betting the CC membership was a gift from either his parents or the
in-laws.
>
> Don't mind me, I'm just typing as I'm thinking.
>
> Frosty
We're thinking along the same lines.
Scorpi...@attnospam.net
>On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 00:33:22 -0500, "tinydancer" wrote:
>>
>>"Jills®" wrote .
>
>>> On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 20:45:45 -0500, "tinydancer" wrote:
>
>>> >"Jills®" wrote
>
>>> >> On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 "Robert St. James wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > But I was totally wrong about his affairs--I really didn't
think he
>>> >> >had any. Guess I should have figured that he was just
repeating a
>>> >> > pattern. Sure took the tabs a while to dig these women up.
>
>>> >> ..........as the prosecution's motive for murder fades into
>>> >> irrelevance just as rapidly as their heretofore number one
witness.
>>> >
>
>>> >Nope, snotty boy did not want to have a child, that's evident. I
remember
>>> >early on, when 'his' couple friends were still talking, they said
'scott had
>>> >always told them he didn't want children.'
>>>
>>> That may be true....but then that's a different motive from the
one
>>> that's been promoted...the one about his all consuming desire to
be
>>> free of his wife to be with Amber.
>>> The "no children" motive does not need Amber as a star witness,
let
>>> alone as a witness.
>>> Yes?
>>
>>
>>Sure, but I don't think he did it for Amber.
>
>Exactly! And that's precisely what I was referring to.
>
>>I've said that before, I think
>>he did it for the lifestyle 'he thought he could live with Amber'
maybe.
>>But the underlying thing was he didn't want to be tied down to a
>>baby/fatherhood.
>
>Methinks that you have more common sense than the Stanislaus Co.
>DA........at least this theory is more plausible. But seems they're
>kinda stuck for the past year or so with a certain Ms. Frey as their
>motive and star witness.
Has anyone from the D.A.'s office actually gone on record as saying
that "being with" Amber was the motive?
--
Like a game of pick up stick played by fucking lunatics
Scorpi...@attnospam.net
Who are you talking to? Snyder?
Jills®
I rest my case.
tinydancer
<Scorpi...@attNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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Not that I'm aware of. Simply because snotty was 'ape-shit' over Amber and
they have all those recorded phone calls and such, doesn't necessarily mean
to me that they have to use the 'snotty did it for Amber' route. I'd use
those phone calls and such simply to show snotty was not upset about,
worried about, nor cared two shits about Laci and his baby.' He was ready
to move on with his life, minus the wife and baby.
td
tinydancer
>
> "Frosty" <Frosty...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> news:btcg6...@drn.newsguy.com...
> > In article <sT6Kb.128366$VB2.428033@attbi_s51>, el corazon del demonio\
> says...
> > >
> > >
> > >Not by choice anyway. Maybe out of inability to get the hook-up.
> >
> > Nah. I know it bothers you to think that Scott could pull chicks, but
by
> all
> > accounts, it looks like he could. And there was no 3-year dry spell.
He
> either
> > straightened up (unlikely), or the NE/LE just hasn't gotten around to
> revealing
> > the details of his sex life from 1999-2002 yet.
>
> I think you are 100% right on here.
I've been saying that for months now bo, and all you did was ride me about
it. I'm thinking up a good penance for you as I type. Player, strip clubs,
recreational drugs, sound familiar? ;)
td
Bo Raxo
>
> "Bo Raxo" <invasio...@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message
> news:d2kKb.21826$lo3....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >
> > "Frosty" <Frosty...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> > news:btcg6...@drn.newsguy.com...
> > > In article <sT6Kb.128366$VB2.428033@attbi_s51>, el corazon del
demonio\
> > says...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Not by choice anyway. Maybe out of inability to get the hook-up.
> > >
> > > Nah. I know it bothers you to think that Scott could pull chicks, but
> by
> > all
> > > accounts, it looks like he could. And there was no 3-year dry spell.
> He
> > either
> > > straightened up (unlikely), or the NE/LE just hasn't gotten around to
> > revealing
> > > the details of his sex life from 1999-2002 yet.
> >
> > I think you are 100% right on here.
>
>
> I've been saying that for months now bo, and all you did was ride me about
> it. I'm thinking up a good penance for you as I type. Player, strip
clubs,
> recreational drugs, sound familiar? ;)
>
> td
>
I'm agreeing that he was cheating on his wife. I'm not buying your whole
elaborate strip club n' drugs scenario.
So hold up on your "penance" fantasies (I thought it was only ex-Catholic
girls who had those).
tinydancer
I am an ex-Catholic girl. ;) Went to catholic elementary school. The
strip club isn't in doubt anymore. People have come forward to say they saw
snotty at a strip club in Fresno.
td
>
>
>
>
Frosty
>
><Scorpi...@attNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
>news:0gljvvkb8ohda00o6...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 06:57:25 GMT, Jills® <jill...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 00:33:22 -0500, "tinydancer" wrote:
>> >>
>> >>"Jills®" wrote .
>> >
>> >DA........at least this theory is more plausible. But seems they're
>> >kinda stuck for the past year or so with a certain Ms. Frey as their
>> >motive and star witness.
>>
>> Has anyone from the D.A.'s office actually gone on record as saying
>> that "being with" Amber was the motive?
>
>Not that I'm aware of. Simply because snotty was 'ape-shit' over Amber and
>they have all those recorded phone calls and such, doesn't necessarily mean
>to me that they have to use the 'snotty did it for Amber' route. I'd use
>those phone calls and such simply to show snotty was not upset about,
>worried about, nor cared two shits about Laci and his baby.' He was ready
>to move on with his life, minus the wife and baby.
And he just so happened to be ready to move on before she actually disappeared.
$ was always the motive. $, and not wanting the responsibility of raising a
child.
Frosty
Frosty
says...
>
>I'm betting the CC membership was a gift from either his parents or the
>in-laws.
Oh, you mean without his knowledge? Maybe. But haven't reports clearly stated
that he paid, and paid cash?
On the other hand, I'm thinking if he could've picked a place, it wouldn't've
been there . . . unless it was THE CC in California. If the murder was
premeditated, which I believe it was, he knew he was gonna be on the move, and
on the prowl soon, and he'd've probably preferred a CC in Southern Cali.
>> Don't mind me, I'm just typing as I'm thinking.
>>
>> Frosty
>
>We're thinking along the same lines.
I take that as a real compliment, Bo, because you're aces in my book.
Frosty
Frosty
>
>Careful, Frosty.... you're gonna bring ol' Caddie out from whatever
>rock he's been hiding himself under. You do recall he doesn't take kindly to
>>any derogative remark about his epitome of feminine virtuosity, Ms. Frey
Hahaha, yes . . . yes I do remember that. He just wouldn't even consider the
idea that she might be providing some, erm, other services.
Oh, well.
Conversatin' with Jills, and criticizing Caddy? What have I become?
Frosty
Bo Raxo
>
>
>
> I am an ex-Catholic girl. ;) Went to catholic elementary school.
That explains the dirty mind. Good for you.
>The
> strip club isn't in doubt anymore. People have come forward to say they
saw
> snotty at a strip club in Fresno.
One visit does not a lifestyle make.
Believe me, here in San Francisco we hear that sentiment from tourists every
day.
Bo Raxo
tinydancer
>
> "tinydancer" <tinyd...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:LPlKb.11060$vO5....@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> >
> >
> >
> > I am an ex-Catholic girl. ;) Went to catholic elementary school.
>
> That explains the dirty mind. Good for you.
;-) BINGO
>
> >The
> > strip club isn't in doubt anymore. People have come forward to say they
> saw
> > snotty at a strip club in Fresno.
>
> One visit does not a lifestyle make.
>
> Believe me, here in San Francisco we hear that sentiment from tourists
every
> day.
>
>
> Bo Raxo
Just wait and see, I've been right so far. I have a feeling this will pan
out in the end. Strip clubs and drugs will have their day. ;) Besides,
it's more than one visit. IIRC, he was out celebrating at a strip club the
night before he was arrested, wasn't he?
td
>
>
tinydancer
Maybe he knew it would be a bit of time before he could make the big move.
After all, his job, office/warehouse was in Modesto. I figure selling the
house, changing jobs, relocating, etc. might take just about a years time to
tie up all the loose ends.
td
>
Cricket
>
> "Glenn and Betsy" <b.fe...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:eg7Kb.128622$VB2.429397@attbi_s51...
> >
> snipped> >
> > >
> > > < td bowing > I told you guys he was a cheater and a player! No
> > matter
> > > how many times you told me I was wrong I stuck to my feeling. Now
all
> > we
> > > need is to find out what kind of recreational drugs snotty boy
> > preferred.
> > >
> > > td
> > >
> >
> > Well, I believed you, tiny. I am guessing viagra and ecstacy. And
lots
> of
> > beer.
> > Betsy
>
>
> Yeah, but I'm still thinking a bit of coke too. He certainly did lose
that
> bloated look he had once he got jailed, didn't he?
I won't be surprised if his main thing was just alchohol - I know a fair
number of guys who have that bloated, sweaty, nasty squishy look on nothing
but beer - three meals and a midnight snack a day of beer...but I won't be
surprised, either, if he chased it with other things.
>
> td
>
>
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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> > ----
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Cricket
> > >
> > Well, I leave it to you. You called it in the first place and I really
> > don't know anything about drugs. Coke makes you bloated?
>
>
> I don't know, I was thinking more all that beer, but I'm not even a beer
> drinker, so I wouldn't know for sure. ;) He did have a druggy look to
me
> though.
Beer definitely will - coke usually makes a person look kind of drawn after
a while - recreational use doesn't have any regular signs that I'm aware of,
but I always avoided the real coke freaks. Alchohol is what came first to my
mind, and maybe some newer stuff I missed when I became old and
virtuous...;>)
>
> td
>
>
>
> >
> > Betsy <what about *diet * coke? ;-)
> >
> >
>
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> >
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> >
> >
>
>
Cricket
"Patty" <eartha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)" <robert...@yahoo.com>
wrote in message
> news:7K1Kb.125999$VB2.394073@attbi_s51...
> :
>
> : I see it more as a guy interested in a relationship, but for seriously
unhealthy
> : reasons.
> : I just don't see all those phone calls as being anything less than a
major
> : obsession
> : with Amber. I think she was his escape route, but when she began to
suspect just
> : how much of a liar he was, he saw that route closing. The boat purchase
is pretty
> : key--
> : right after Shawn finds out he's married, and the very same day he
finally tells
> : Amber
> : about his "lost wife."
> :
> After the way he talked to Shawn, I'm thinking many of those phone calls
> were phone sex. If he talked to Shawn liked that, chances are he also
> talked to Amber like that.
Gag!! (I'm sorry, the guy grosses me out anyway...)
>
>
Cricket
>
> "Michael Snyder" <msn...@redhat.com> wrote in message
> news:J7dKb.6674$XF6.1...@typhoon.sonic.net...
> >
> > "tinydancer" <tinyd...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:sJ5Kb.10695$Pn5....@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> > >
> > > "Bo Raxo" <invasio...@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message
> > > news:En5Kb.37781$Pg1....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >
> > > > Er, strip clubs are for guys who aren't getting laid.
> > >
> > > Not necessarily so.
> >
> > Indeed not -- I've taken lots of women-I-was-getting-laid-by
> > to strip clubs. Tiny will now say something insulting about these
> women...
> >
>
> Good point, some women dig 'em. There's a place in Reno called (not
> curprisingly) The Men's Club. They serve dinner there, a woman I was
> dating in San Francisco raved about the food. We had some delicious steaks
> there, with her mother.
Maybe she just liked the steaks...we used to have a strip club near here
that had really good food, I think they did it on purpose, so once a woman
had been there, her man could say "Honey, you know how good the food is,
that's the only reason I go there."
;>)
tinydancer
"Cricket" <cc...@quixnet.net> wrote in message
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Man I wish this trial would be carried live. ;>
td
>
>
> >
> >
>
>
tinydancer
That viagra was what tipped me off and made me wonder. He's a young guy,
shouldn't need viagra even for lots of sex. But if he was on drugs, he just
might need it a bit.
td
>
>
> >
> > td
> >
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> > > >
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katy...@sbcglobal.net
Bonus points: her ex-boyfriend's ex-wife worked there as a "dancer". He
was
> a nice fellow, I kinda felt sorry for him that I was not only was I
sleeping
> with the woman that dumped him, but I also got a lap dance from his
ex-wife.
>
> Eventually, she dumped me and went back to him, so I s'pose it all evened
> out, kinda sorta.
>
Ah Bo did you ever get the feeling that maybe she brought you there so
the ex-wife would tell him that she was with somebody new. Some women will
play these games to make a guy jealous you know. You did say that they
ended up getting back together. Uh huh. I rest my case.
Katie