Laci Peterson's pregnancy
Janatrude
condoms aren't foolproof. Did he consider a vasectomy?
Finally, did he try to pressure Laci into getting an abortion?
EnEss
The pregnancy was NOT accidental. Supposedly, they were trying to conceive.
But someone posted here a few days ago about reading a story that said it
seems like it was more Laci's idea than Scott's, and there's some evidence
he went along w/ it relutantly. The person who posted said the story
reported that Laci told a friend at the time she was hoping to conceive that
Scott always seemed to "go out of town on business" whenver she was in the
fertile time of her cycle, and there was something about him going on
viagra, sort of suggesting he couldn't get into the mood under the pressure
of conceiving. Whatever, they eventually conceived and he put on a show of
being happy about it. Clearly, that wasn't the real story.
I bet that as soon as Laci's belly got big, he got really turned off and
that's when he started looking for something on the outside. I wonder if
meeting Amber and getting charged up about her really pushed him to the
point of rebelling inside against the pressure of impending fatherhood and a
marriage that no longer held his interest, and that that's when he concluded
that murder was better than being an unhappily married father or divorced
dad.
NS
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theresa
I wrote the post you mentioned where I outlined several
incidents where it seemed clear he wasn't too enthused about
becoming a Dad, but for whatever reason, couldn't say no
(Under "Peterson Breaks Down"). Here's data from the
crime2000 site that leads me to believe Amber was far
towards the end of his path to murder rather than at the
beginning. I repeat some data from another post where I
theorized that maybe facing his upcoming 30th birthday sent
him on a more agressive search for another bed partner:
May 6 According to her records at Hera Medical Group, Laci
Peterson's has her last menstrual period.
June 9 After taking a home pregnancy test, Laci Peterson
begins at 7:00 a.m. calling friends and family, announcing
that she is pregnant with her first child. According to
Renee Garza, Laci Peterson also begins wearing maternity
clothes after her first trimester because of her excitement
over her first pregnancy. The following month, she begins
taking prenatal yoga classes at a studio in McHenry Village,
although she misses the first few classes because she is
suffering from dizzy spells.
July 4 According to the February 10, 2004, issue of the
National Enquirer, Scott Peterson asks a friend who recently
became a father about his sex life after the arrival of the
child, and is told to expect that sex "wouldn't be the same
afterwards." Harvey Kemple gives Scott Peterson advice on
cooking chicken on his outdoor grill. Scott Peterson burns
the chicken and expresses anger.
July 11 At a prenatal visit to her obstetrician, Laci
Peterson weight is recorded as being 119 pounds.
July 16 Laci Peterson visits her obstetrician at Hera
Medical Group. Conner Peterson's gestational age is
estimated to be 10 weeks and 1 day.
July 17 Lisa Martin calls from Hera Medical Group, speaking
to Laci Peterson and informing her of a positive test for a
urinary tract infection.
July 24 The body of Evelyn Hernández is found along the
Embarcadero in San Francisco. The lower part of her torso
and her legs are found floating in the water about 16 feet
from the sea wall.
August 9 Scott and Laci Peterson celebrate their 5th wedding
anniversary.
August 30 Scott Peterson has a valid 2-day fishing license.
Laci Peterson goes to Motherhood Maternity and purchases six
items of clothing for $198.55.
August 31 Scott Peterson has a valid 2-day fishing license.
September 24 Laci Peterson has a sonogram performed at the
office of James Yip. Laci Peterson's weight is recorded as
being 137 pounds.
September 28 Laci Peterson goes to Motherhood Maternity and
purchases a bra for $17.18.
October 20 Scott Peterson attends the California Association
of Pest Control Advisers (CAPCA) convention at the
Disneyland Hotel in Anaheim (by some erroneous accounts,
this convention occurs October 23–24, 2002; by erroneous
statements by attorneys during Scott Peterson's trial, this
convention begins a week earlier, on October 13, 2002).
October 21 Scott Peterson attends the second day of the
CAPCA convention. He meets Shawn Sibley and has dinner with
her, Eric Olsen and David Fernandez. Scott Peterson asks her
what he should he write on his name tag to attract a woman.
She suggests, "I'm rich." Scott suggests, "H.B." for "Horny
Bastard." They have dinner, drinks and visit until
approximately 3:00 a.m. (according to an article in the
Modesto Bee, 8:30 a.m.), during which time, according to the
National Enquier, he makes "obvious passes" at her, even
though she has told him she is engaged. He asks her what her
favorite sex positions are and makes other suggestive
comments. He tells her he has homes in Sacramento and San
Diego. This convention is the beginning of a personal and
business relationship that includes him "begging" her to
"set him up" with one of her friends, who turns out to be
Amber Frey. Apparently convinced that Scott Peterson is
interesting in finding someone for a "serious relationship,"
Shawn Sibley will eventually provide both of them with each
others' phone numbers.
October 22 Scott Peterson attends the third and final day of
the CAPCA convention.
October 24 Scott Peterson celebrates his 30th birthday.
October 29 Laci Peterson visits Hera Medical Group for a
routine prenatal checkup.
November 6 Laci Peterson calls the Hera Medical Group and
talks to Cheryl Smith. Laci Peterson states that, while she
was taking a walk, she became dizzy. She speaks to Tina
Edraki, who tells her to quit walking or to walk later in
the day.
November 8 Laci Peterson again calls the Hera Medical Group
and talks to Cheryl Smith. Laci Peterson complains of
shortness of breath.
November 11 Margarita Nava cleans Scott and Laci Peterson's
home.
November 14 Stacey Boyers and Laci Peterson attend a
birthday party at Chili's. She tells Boyers about plans to
quit walking because of nausea.
November 19 Scott Peterson and Amber Frey speak by phone.
November 20 Scott Peterson and Amber Frey speak by phone.
Scott Peterson meets Amber Frey for the first time in
person, at the Elephant Bar Restaurant (according to some
earlier accounts, at the World Sports Cafe; according to
Det. Jon Buehler's preliminary hearing testimony, this
meeting happens on November 19; according to Ron Frey, the
couple's first date is a picnic). According to the February
10, 2004, National Enquirer, and confirmed by Amber Frey's
trial testimony, Scott Peterson tells her he has been
working all day and would like to check into his hotel room
to take a shower before dinner. The couple then goes to the
Radisson Hotel in downtown Fresno, where he showers and
changes. He then brings out a bottle of champagne from his
overnight bag and also produces fresh strawberries. He puts
some of the strawberries in flute glasses and pours
champagne over them. The two toast their affair, then go to
dinner at Edo-ya. During dinner, they are seated at a
private booth. Scott Peterson tells Amer Frey about his
various travels, both past and planned, including his plans
to spend Christmas in Kennebunkport, Maine, after a one-week
trip to Alaska with his uncle, father and brother. He also
tells her he has plans to go to Europe after Christmas. He
claims that he lives in Sacramento, but also has a
condominium in San Diego. They stay at the restaurant until
it is closing, then walk next door to BB's Lounge. They sing
a Karaoke duet, slow dance and kiss. They return to Scott
Peterson's hotel room and spend the night together.
========================
Notice Scott becomes concerned about his sex life with Laci
soon after she concieves and just as she starts gaining
weight. As she gets fatter and sicker, and the big 3-0
looms, Scott's panic increases. Perhaps Amber's upcoming
book will say whether or not Scott needed Viagra for their
trysts, but she might not know since he could taken the pill
without her knowledge. We do know he had several packs of
Viagra tabs in his car when arrested for the murders, so it
could be that he no longer could function with *anyone* by
that time without help.
EnEss
> I wrote the post you mentioned where I outlined several
> incidents where it seemed clear he wasn't too enthused about
> becoming a Dad, but for whatever reason, couldn't say no
> (Under "Peterson Breaks Down").
I remember.
> Here's data from the
> crime2000 site that leads me to believe Amber was far
> towards the end of his path to murder rather than at the
> beginning. I repeat some data from another post where I
> theorized that maybe facing his upcoming 30th birthday sent
> him on a more agressive search for another bed partner:
<snip>
Wow! This is really thorough!! Thanks for this detailed account. Not sure
though what the point is about Evelyn Hernandez' body turning up in the
ocean July 24.
> ========================
>
> Notice Scott becomes concerned about his sex life with Laci
> soon after she concieves and just as she starts gaining
> weight. As she gets fatter and sicker, and the big 3-0
> looms, Scott's panic increases.
I can really see that, going by this chronology. Interesting about him
freaking out over the grilled chicken getting burned at the July 4 barbecue
w/ friends right after talking to his friend about sex changing after a baby
(which is BS...or maybe temporarily it changes, but can be great again if it
was great before). I don't think it takes Sigmund Freud to theorize that his
building rage and resentment over what he saw coming explodes over the
burned chicken, which is the surface frustration at hand.
Years ago, I volunteered to work at a domestic violence hotline. The job was
to take phone calls from anyone calling in for help or support (usually
battered women) and assess if they have an emergency, and then direct them
to whatever resources seem appropriate and needed. Volunteers went through a
training period, conducted by professionals working in the area of domestic
violence. One thing we learned is that studies have shown that a large
number of women get battered for the first time in marriage or domestic
partnership in a first pregnancy, most often after the woman begins to
"show". The reasoning behind this is tied to the known fact that a great
many men are heavily oriented psychologically to the female form as the
centerpoint of sexual fantasy and eroticism, and many are rigidly locked
into the notion of the female body needing to be very slender in order to
arouse them, and that a woman's body becoming large is a major sexual
turn-off. For some of these men, even though they intellectually know the
largeness is temporary and not a product of something bad the woman is
doing, they become resentful that their partner has strayed from the
attractive feminine ideal in form, and the resentment may boil over into
uncontrolled rage that expresses itself in lashing out physically.
Now it's true that the first act of physical violent against the woman is
almost never murder. Murder in domestic violence cases almost always comes
at the end of a long, escalating cycle of battery that may have gone on for
years. Still, the principle is the same, though highly atypical in form. A
fatal episode of violence that explodes, seemingly out of nowhere, in the
late stage of the wife's pregnancy w/ no history or cause to suspect of past
abuse. But in Scott Peterson, the violence builds as a slow-burning
resentment that mounts as the pregnancy advances, finding temporary solace
in sexual liaisons with a new partner, much closer to his ideal of
attractiveness. But instead of the abuse or violence beginning w/ shoving,
shaking, hitting and screaming insults, it begins covertly, w/ lying, sexual
betrayal and, as the situation progresses, a plot to kill, eventually
carried out.
Not the typical domestic violence scenario by any means, but the essence is
the same in principle. A first pregnancy and the woman's changing shape,
viewed as undesireable by the resentful partner, incites the first act of
physical force or violence. In this case, it's deliberately fatal.
Supporting the theory that Scott Peterson is the kind of man whose sexuality
is very tied in to an ideal physical female form is the fact that he asked
Shawn Sibley to introduce him to a friend of hers who is tall, thin and
blonde, and the ordering of the porno channel days after Laci disappears.
I think you may be on to something here, Theresa.
> Perhaps Amber's upcoming
> book will say whether or not Scott needed Viagra for their
> trysts, but she might not know since he could taken the pill
> without her knowledge. We do know he had several packs of
> Viagra tabs in his car when arrested for the murders, so it
> could be that he no longer could function with *anyone* by
> that time without help.
Who knows? Whether he required viagra or not to perform at that point hardly
seems important or relevant. One thing for sure...that matter is the least
of his concerns now.
Robert St. James (la ira de Dios)
"EnEss" <star...@global.net> wrote in message
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Maybe. And the part about the big belly I very definitely believe. I think the
viagra was later, though, when Scott was out on the prowl. Wonder what
Laci would have thought of all those little blue pills Scott was buying *after*
she was pregnant....
Anyway, as I've often stated, I don't see anything in the murder plot lining
up with any significant Laci dates. We don't have any idea when the idea
of murder came into Scott's head, but we have a pretty good idea when he
started taking action--Dec 9-10. That is, right after Sibley called him out on
being married and Scott had to lie his way out of it w/Amber. That's when he
got his boat.
I'm not discounting the idea Scott had a lot of other reasons to consider
murder, just that those were secondary justifications, not primary motive.
I argue this all the time w/td. While I can see how Scott, as shallow as he is,
would very much have liked the thought of not having a wife and kid to support,
his more immediate problem was that his new girlfriend was getting way too
close to discovering his "secret" -- that he was not a wealthy international
businessman with houses in SF and Sacto, expensive cars, and an exotic
lifestyle. He was a married guy from Modesto with a kid on the way, big bills
he was having trouble paying, and a dull career selling fertilizer to
farm supply retailers. Scott misrepresented himself to Amber and probably
lived in fear that she'd discover the truth. Despite what some case observers
say, how can you read those phone calls as anything other than a creepy
all-consuming obsession with Amber Frey? If he was that obsessed, he'd
be absolutely terrified of being found out, and I truly believe it was that fear
which drove him to murder.
RstJ
yaffaDina
>
> Don't forget that Scott knew Laci may have trouble conceiving because
> she had lost one ovary to surgery when she was younger. I think Scott
> was going along with "trying" but crossing his fingers that the
> remaining ovary wouldn't do the job.
>
> Karen
Yes, that's what I think too!
yD
Karen
EnEss
> I'm not discounting the idea Scott had a lot of other reasons to consider
> murder, just that those were secondary justifications, not primary motive.
> I argue this all the time w/td. While I can see how Scott, as shallow as
> he is,
> would very much have liked the thought of not having a wife and kid to
> support,
> his more immediate problem was that his new girlfriend was getting way too
> close to discovering his "secret" -- that he was not a wealthy
> international
> businessman with houses in SF and Sacto, expensive cars, and an exotic
> lifestyle. He was a married guy from Modesto with a kid on the way, big
> bills
> he was having trouble paying, and a dull career selling fertilizer to
> farm supply retailers. Scott misrepresented himself to Amber and probably
> lived in fear that she'd discover the truth. Despite what some case
> observers
> say, how can you read those phone calls as anything other than a creepy
> all-consuming obsession with Amber Frey? If he was that obsessed, he'd
> be absolutely terrified of being found out, and I truly believe it was
> that fear
> which drove him to murder.
Oh, I think you definitely have something there. He bought the boat right
after the conversation where he told Amber "he lost his wife" and this was
his "first Christmas w/o her"; it really does seem as though he had this
hair-brained idea he could pull it together to hurriedly make the lie almost
true. I think he really believed he could get rid of Laci and a month later
the dust would settle and things would quiet down...the police and Laci's
family would be none-the-wiser and he could start messing around openly w/
Amber and it was actually possible she might not hear the real truth (that
the "lost wife" went missing 15 days after he made that claim to Amber). The
fact that he didn't anticipate there would be heavy publicity (just locally,
if he didn't think nationally) that Amber would catch wind of underscores to
me how far from reality he was at that point, mentally. His fantasy life
seems to have taken over completely, and just kept getting bigger and bigger
(the trip to Europe, the phone call from "Paris", etc.). In his fantasy, he
could have it any way he wanted, and how much more appealing than reality is
that?? It seems to me he got so carried away with his fantasizing, he really
fooled himself into believing he could pull off the whole thing seamlessly
and retain total control. He was too far beyond the point of rational
thinking and sitting down to play Devil's Advocate. Had he been able to,
surely he would've realized how completely full of holes the entire plan
was.
How tragic for everyone (including himself) he didn't and couldn't do that.
Robert St. James (la ira de Dios)
"EnEss" <...>
> Oh, I think you definitely have something there. He bought the boat right
> after the conversation where he told Amber "he lost his wife" and this was
> his "first Christmas w/o her";
Bingo. Whatever else we might speculate, this is cold hard fact. It's an action.
It's directly related to an event on the Amber timeline and it is unquestionably
part of a murder plot.
And just as importantly, it's four days after being confronted by Sibley on Dec 6.
So just what was Scotty doing those four days before he finally "confessed" to
Amber?
Taking measurements, most likely.
it really does seem as though he had this
> hair-brained idea he could pull it together to hurriedly make the lie almost
> true. I think he really believed he could get rid of Laci and a month later
> the dust would settle and things would quiet down...the police and Laci's
> family would be none-the-wiser and he could start messing around openly w/
> Amber and it was actually possible she might not hear the real truth (that
> the "lost wife" went missing 15 days after he made that claim to Amber).
No question. And it might have worked, too. A less diligent police force,
a less experienced detective, and this case might have skewed a totally
different direction. Scott sells the boat, closes his business, sells his house,
moves to Sacto where nobody really knows him, and he's set. He just has
to tell the occasional whopper, but hey, *that's* not a problem.
Some people have argued that he simply told Amber he'd be out of town
for a month just to get rid of her. That he wasn't really interested in her.
She was just a lay, nothing more. That the murder has nothing to do with
her and it's all about "freedom."
But those 6hrs of phone taps tell a very, very different story.
The
> fact that he didn't anticipate there would be heavy publicity (just locally,
> if he didn't think nationally) that Amber would catch wind of underscores to
> me how far from reality he was at that point, mentally. His fantasy life
> seems to have taken over completely, and just kept getting bigger and bigger
> (the trip to Europe, the phone call from "Paris", etc.). In his fantasy, he
> could have it any way he wanted, and how much more appealing than reality is
> that?? It seems to me he got so carried away with his fantasizing, he really
> fooled himself into believing he could pull off the whole thing seamlessly
> and retain total control. He was too far beyond the point of rational
> thinking and sitting down to play Devil's Advocate. Had he been able to,
> surely he would've realized how completely full of holes the entire plan
> was.
I doubt he was capable of that, and of course, this wasn't an idea he
could bounce off friends and family. And it was a logical extension of
the fantasy he'd been living up to that point anyway. The whole "two
houses, nice car" thing he sold to Amber. His "golf scholarship" to ASU.
His "lost wife" story to Sibley. The lies he must have told Laci to cover
the Nov. date, the 3-day thing in early Dec, the Dec 10-11, Dec 14-15
Fresno trips. Who ever called him on his bullshit? Nobody. So why would
anyone question his golfishing story for Dec 24?
>
> How tragic for everyone (including himself) he didn't and couldn't do that.
>
> NS
Tragic? No. Tragedy is the gods, unalterable fate, destiny. There was nothing
tragic here. This was just evil. Pure and simple, arrogant, evil.
RstJ