In a nutshell: In 1998, a pretty young American girl disappears from a
cruise ship near Arruba. The boat is near shore and she's a trained
life guard ruling out drowning and she had her whole life planned out
and it was unlikely she voluntarily disappeared. There were possible
sightings of Amy in Curaçao in 1998 and 1999. Two Canadian tourists
reported seeing a woman resembling Amy on a beach in Curaçao in 1998.
The woman's tattoos were identical to Amy's. In 1999 an American
sailor reported that he went to a brothel on Curaçao and was
approached by a young woman. She told him her name was Amy Bradley and
asked for his help. At this point, two men in the bar escorted her
upstairs. Unfortunately, by the time the witness reported this to
police several months later, the brothel had burned down.
Then in 2005, a man e-mailed pictures he was certain were Amy to her
family that he found on a South American Prostitution website. They
agreed. Police and FBI forensics experts conceeded it could well be
her. There seems to be nothing since this development.
Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Lynn_Bradley
The site detailing the pictures found on the web:
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/11/strikehysciencestrike_dr_phil_on_amy_bradley.php
The prostitution Website:
http://www.affordable-adult-vacations.com/guest_escorts_entertainers.htm
I find this case frustrating as well as baffling and intriguing. Her
family must feel terrible knowing there may well be proof she's still
alive. I have several questions:
This case has all the markings of one that should demand attention
from the national media as well as this board. Why wasn't it? It has
all the dynamics of a Ramsey or Halloway case, but I can find little
about it here or all over the net.
The pictures are the worst part. The look on her face is one of
defeat. The prostitution site is still up and running. Can't anything
be done about this? Can't the IP adress of the people whoe coded it be
traced? Shouldn't we assume that all those girls may be in trouble?
Might it be as simple as an undercover agent searching Arruban
brothels? Some of those girls look as though they are not there of
their own free will. We should assume that they all have a limited
shelf life. I wonder if they have been examined by her docotor or even
a boyfriend who may know her more intimately.
It just seems so sad that this case appears to be extremely solvable.
Very sad. Can anyone provide any further info?
Thanks
Carl in CT
I do take Wiki with a grain of salt, but the entire case can be
collaborated elsewhere.
There have been three 'sightings'. It could well be that the second
one (sailor in a brothel) only came forward BECAUSE of the reward
fully expecting it to lead to her return.
All I'm saying is it's very intriguing. She could well have fallen
overboard. Those pictures may not be her, but can you prove they
aren't her?
Why would you think that?
Isn't she the one who was drunk, and smoking cigarettes
on the veranda of the cabin (where she was last seen
by her brother)?
Ah....yes. No mystery here.
And don't forget: all attractive young mission girls are not
dead. They either "ran away from Daddy" or "were sold
into sexual slavery".
Kris
The more I see and hear of this case, the more convinced I am that she
DIDN'T fall overboard. I think that foul play was involved or that she
left on her own. And while I think she was alive for some time after
her disappearance, I'm not convinced she still is. It's been nearly
three years since the last possible sightings of her. (In Barbados, in
person, and on the internet.) I would guess that if she was being held
against her will, her captors knew of the 'sightings' and did away
with her since then.
You're right, it's a sad case. I wonder why it's not getting the type
of coverage as someone like Natalie Holloways.
There is also a picture by an FBI sketch artist of a woman observed in
Barbados in 05 that looks remarkable like her and like the prostitute.
I wish we knew more about the Barbados sighting, but I can't find any
info on it.
I could be grasping at straws, but something about those pictures just
creep me out.
It's damn hard to "fall" overboard on a cruise ship. The rails
are at about chest high on a woman and a little lower for a man.
A person would have to climb onto the railing to fall over.
robbielynn wrote:
Men and women come in standardized heights?
WM
In Europe it's different.
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This is the kind of swill we hear from this case, that gets
the parents excited:
" In 1999 an American sailor reported that he went to a
brothel on Curaçao and was approached by a young
woman. She told him her name was Amy Bradley and
asked for his help. At this point, two men in the bar
escorted her upstairs. Unfortunately, by the time the
witness reported this to police several months later,
the brothel had burned down."
Kris
> In article
> <c2f4fdba-6373-44db...@d5g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> sven...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> I recently stumbled accross this case on Wikipedia. Does anyone have
>> any more info or updates about this case?
>>
>>
>> It just seems so sad that this case appears to be extremely solvable.
>> Very sad. Can anyone provide any further info?
>
> She most likely fell overboard... I don't think any of the sightings
> panned out...
>
> Always take any Wikipedia entry with a large grain of salt or from any
> open editing source.<<
You're not kidding. In the Wikipedia entry on this case, I read this: "Amy's
brother, Bradley, left his sister sitting on the outdoor balcony and entered
his cabin." That would make her brother's name "Bradley Bradley." Now, that
_can't_ be right. No parents would be that cruel. And if they can't get a
simple fact such as the brother's name right, why should the rest of the
information be considered reliable?
Amy
--
"In my line of work you gotta keep repeating things over and over and over
again for the truth to sink in, to kinda catapult the propaganda." - George
W. Bush, May 24, 2005
Apparently, his name IS Bradley (or, at least, Brad).
But hey....I just learned something else: she was a basketball player!
At 5'7", she was a bit shorter than I am .... and sometimes I've
been woozy looking over balcony railings that stop others from
leaning over. I can't imagine someone like her being
overpowered for very long, nor even sold for "sex slavery".
When her father visited her cabin, the door to the balcony was
partially open and her shoes were on the balcony.
There's lots of versions of her disappearance, but this one
seems the most accurate:
http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=24282
I think she went overboard (accidentally). Her shoes were
on the balcony -- maybe she'd put her "ever-present lighter
and cigarettes" there, and tried to stop them from falling
over, and fell herself? If she was drunk after an evening
of partying to 3:30am, it's not illogical.
They need some sort of ID scanners on ships, that confirm
(automatically) when someone has left a ship (or not). These
little RFID chips cost very little -- and are inside nearly every
product that's shipped anymore. A card can be used by
someone else. It has to be attractive enough that people
will wear it, and keep it as a souvenir when de-activated
when they disembark at the end of the cruise. But it
could track *all* of their movements....and even send an
alert if it were removed.
Kris
You know...that's just perverse! Seriously, what parent would look down at
their infant and think it was a good idea to name him "Bradley Bradley," or
even "Bradford Bradley" (I notice they're only referring to him as "Brad" in
all of the family's website materials and press I've found)? That's a great
way to ensure his school years are absolutely _miserable_.
>> But hey....I just learned something else: she was a basketball player!
>
> http://www.amybradley.net/
>
> At 5'7", she was a bit shorter than I am .... and sometimes I've
> been woozy looking over balcony railings that stop others from
> leaning over. I can't imagine someone like her being
> overpowered for very long, nor even sold for "sex slavery".<<
That is bizarre. I wonder what ever happened with those frowsy old hooker
pictures someone turned up, and the family agreed was her. How could they
keep her doing their bidding? By threatening her family? Some small-time
island prostitution ring would have a hard time convincing me that my family
was in danger if I didn't cooperate. I realize that some people are more
gullible than others, but I still find it hard to believe she'd go along with
something like that without a gun constantly to her head -- and that's a
little too effortful for small time hoods.
This one's really bizarre.
>> When her father visited her cabin, the door to the balcony was
> partially open and her shoes were on the balcony.
>
> There's lots of versions of her disappearance, but this one
> seems the most accurate:
>
> http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=24282
>
> I think she went overboard (accidentally). Her shoes were
> on the balcony -- maybe she'd put her "ever-present lighter
> and cigarettes" there, and tried to stop them from falling
> over, and fell herself? If she was drunk after an evening
> of partying to 3:30am, it's not illogical. <<
I agree it's more likely than anything else that she fell overboard,
especially given the circumstances (I thought it was more like 5:30 AM when
she was last seen?). But did they ever verify the sighting of her with one
of the ship's crew on an elevator? What was _his_ story?
>> They need some sort of ID scanners on ships, that confirm
> (automatically) when someone has left a ship (or not). These
> little RFID chips cost very little -- and are inside nearly every
> product that's shipped anymore. A card can be used by
> someone else. It has to be attractive enough that people
> will wear it, and keep it as a souvenir when de-activated
> when they disembark at the end of the cruise. But it
> could track *all* of their movements....and even send an
> alert if it were removed. <<
That's a great idea. Me, I'll just pass on cruises. I'm not afraid of being
abducted or falling overboard; I'm more concerned with that horrendous
Norovirus, having contracted it last winter while nowhere _near_ a cruise
ship! It was quite disgusting...
You know, the more pictures I see of her, even in girly clothes,
the more "butch" she looks. (Not that there's anything wrong
with that!) She even wore a man's watch.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bradley_amy.html
She just doesn't look like a girl who'd be taken as a sex
slave in a brothel. She *does* look like someone who may
try to overpower someone trying to rape her, though....who
could get his friends to help him take care of the "problem".
It just doesn't make sense that some guy would be alarmed
enough to remember her name in a brothel, but NOT
report it to police months later. Even if he'd never heard
of her before. Did she even refer to herself as "Amy Lynn
Bradley"...or is that just the standard usage of the middle
name, as in all crime reports?
I feel sorry for the family.
Kris
I have this vision of several vicious drug runners with automatic
weapons in the next room carrying about their drug trade and being on
constant alert.
> W. Bush, May 24, 2005- Hide quoted text -
See? This is what I want to know. There must be some way to track this
woman down and go "Are you Amy Bradley and are you being held against
your will?" It's probably NOT her, but I just get creeped out enough
when I see it to think "Why can't these parent get some verifiaction
this person is or isn't their daughter?"
Also, the sightings were made by different sets of people. One of
which had never heard of her until she gave them her name. AND the
picture they had drawn up depicted a girl who looks EXACTLY like the
girl in the picture from the sex site that the guy found much later.
Also, please note that the pictures DO stratigically cover her tattoo
placement, and that even the ear rings are correct.
I however doubt she is alive now, it's been a very long time since
anyone heard or saw anything, I'm sure they got rid of her. :(
That would be the assumption wouldn't it. If the picture was her, she
was looking weary three years ago. These girls can't have a very long
shelf life. One of the things I don't get is that you can go to the
prostitutions web site and see the girls that are available for a
particular travel season. They appear to have stopped using any white
women after 2005. The current girls available are all Asian (probably
Phillipino), and all seem to be enjoying themselves. Some of the girls
listed for 04 and 05 did not look like they wanted to be there and
they were multi-national.
Thanks for posting aand I would be very interested to see any info you
came up with.
Carl in CT
She could have fallen but how do you just fall off a ship without some help.
Authorities don't believe she did because the ship was extremely close to
shore and she was a lifeguard and a strong swimmer. She was also physically
fit.
She was also last seen at on the balcony in a lounge chair at around 5:30
a.m. by her father and brother, and at 6:00 a.m. by two other passengers
taking the elevator to the top deck, not at 3:30 a.m.
Chocolic
Chocolic
Lots of people have fallen (or jumped) off ships in recent years.
Just yesterday, whle looking at this case, I found a web page with
an unbelievable number of names (all adults) who'd gone missing
the same way she did.
Kris
This sentence here? It's from Wiki. The words "ruling out" are so
far from true that, to me, it frames the rest of it as serious BS.
If the cruise ship wasn't moving and was much closer to shore than a
moving ship would be and the tide was coming in and she was an
experienced open-water swimmer and there was light on shore and she
was sober and well-rested, it STILL wouldn't rule out drowning.
You might notice there were a lot of "ands" in that sentence.
If you go off the side of a moving cruise ship, you are in danger. A
little life-savers badge doesn't change that.
Didn't one of those Peterson guys get away with killing his first wife
for a few years because his wife drowned in a bathtub? It happens.
(both "murder" and "bathtub drowning")
Mick
I hadn't heard of this case other than the mentions lately on here. I read
some of the links posted. Even if she would have fallen, it sounds likely
that she could have saved herself, or screamed and drawn some attention
since it was probably 6 or later in the morning when it could have happened
and they were close to shore.
This one sounds a fishy to me :)
Chocolic
I'm thinking that $250 K in reward money will turn even the most
hardened South American pimp into a hero eager to return a girl to her
family. Even if she went to a bordello by choice (unlikely) she would
have been returned.
Mick
> I'm thinking that $250 K in reward money will turn even the most
> hardened South American pimp into a hero eager to return a girl to her
> family.
Replying to myself (Bad form, I know. What can I say? All this crime
isa getting to me.)
Here's an interesting site
<http://www.amybradley.net/story.htm>
AND
Note this:
<http://sec-global.com/services/ctp/vsg/news/030626.html>
So those pimps I mentioned aren't the only ones who would go for
$250,000.
Mick
<http://www.amybradley.net/story.htm>
AND
Note this:
<http://sec-global.com/services/ctp/vsg/news/030626.html>
Mick
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"They" say talking to yourself is healthy. And you always win the
arguments.
It's sad that her parents were taken advantage of like that. It makes me
sick. I'm usually a cynic about everything, but if my daughter were missing
I honestly don't know if I could allow myself to be duped, especially that
amount of money.
Chocolic
Just yesterday, whle looking at this case, I fell off a ship.
This would have been a funny response.
Sorry about effin' with your post.
More likely outcome of response of a South American pimp and possible
drug/gun runner who just found out there's a 250K reward on someone
you have held against their will for several years and may have been
involved with their abduction:
A) Try to collect reward
B) Kill her
More likely response of American authorites when said South America
Drug Runner/Pimp tries to collect reward:
A) "Thank you sir or madam, you are a true hero, here's you satchel of
cash, have a nice day!"
B) "You have the right to remain silent........."
I suppose they could kill her, then provide details leading
authorities to her body and try to collect a portion of the reward for
solving the mystery.
I've never been on a cruise. Is it common to go out of your suite with
no shoes? Say to grab a cup of coffee or a morning paper? (They
probably don't have morning papers on cruises do they?). I think every
report I've seen reads like they had adjoining rooms.
Now THIS is strange:
(I don't think this person know's anything, it's just strange)
This picture:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/bradley_a.htm
It's a long-recognized Usenet f'loon. Didn't you check their
posting history first?
How about this little gem:
http://snurl.com/20kcj [groups_google_com]
Or this one, posted in this group to our great amusement:
http://snurl.com/20kcn [groups_google_com]
This picture:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/bradley_a.htm
Actually.....if you look down at the drawings, the one of the MAN
looks like Amy Bradley, who was quite (IMO) masculine.
Kris
Yeah, I know what you mean. Photos make things seem very personal. She
has different facial features, but that could be from weight loss.
It's a tough call.
I remember years and years ago, there was a missing children case on
Phil Donahue (I think). Two kids, a brother and sister, where
kidnapped. After maybe a year, a photo somehow surfaced of them. It
showed them in the back of a car, with tape around their mouth, and
their hands tied with rope. It was definitely them. The photo was
found in a parking lot. I still remember that photo after all these
years even though I think I was just a kid when I saw it. It was very
chilling. I always wonder if they ever found the kids.
So are you suggesting Osama Bin Laden abducted Amy Lynn Bradley?
Or the Gosch case. (I think that was his name). A kid delivering
papers disappears. His mother finds pictures of him years later but no
one else thinks it's him. She then claims to have gotten a mysterious
visit from him 20 years later in the middle of the night, but no one
else believes her.
It wasn't "definitely" them.....and the two missing people were
not brother and sister.
One was Tara Lee Calico (abducted during a daily 36-mile
bike ride south of Belen NM).
http://www.crimeandjustice.us/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t614.html
Kris
So are you suggesting Osama Bin Laden abducted Amy Lynn Bradley?
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OK, someone else can take your bait for awhle.
buh-bye.
Kris