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Odista
May 26, 2012, 9:35:20 PM5/26/12
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I've been reading various news articles about an eleven-year-old girl who apparently murdered four children in Dayton, Ohio. All the articles I've found only go up to 1999 in which the child suspect was ordered to undergo psychiatric evaluation. I haven't seen anything more recent than that.
Does anyone know what the outcome of this case was? Was the child ever charged and/or convicted?
Does anyone know what the outcome of this case was? Was the child ever charged and/or convicted?
Poe
May 27, 2012, 10:54:00 AM5/27/12
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On 5/26/2012 9:35 PM, Odista wrote:
> I've been reading various news articles about an eleven-year-old girl who apparently murdered four children in Dayton, Ohio. All the articles I've found only go up to 1999 in which the child suspect was ordered to undergo psychiatric evaluation. I haven't seen anything more recent than that.
>
> Does anyone know what the outcome of this case was? Was the child ever charged and/or convicted?
Do you have a name or any details - name of the killer, victims, or
> I've been reading various news articles about an eleven-year-old girl who apparently murdered four children in Dayton, Ohio. All the articles I've found only go up to 1999 in which the child suspect was ordered to undergo psychiatric evaluation. I haven't seen anything more recent than that.
>
> Does anyone know what the outcome of this case was? Was the child ever charged and/or convicted?
year(s) the murders occurred, was it serial or mass, etc.? I know some
folks in the Ohio psychiatric community who might have some updates. No
promises, of course, but if I have some info to go on I will try.
Poe
May 27, 2012, 10:59:54 AM5/27/12
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On 5/26/2012 9:35 PM, Odista wrote:
> I've been reading various news articles about an eleven-year-old girl who apparently murdered four children in Dayton, Ohio. All the articles I've found only go up to 1999 in which the child suspect was ordered to undergo psychiatric evaluation. I haven't seen anything more recent than that.
>
> Does anyone know what the outcome of this case was? Was the child ever charged and/or convicted?
Nevermind - now that I re-read your subject line I've got it. I'll ask
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> Does anyone know what the outcome of this case was? Was the child ever charged and/or convicted?
around and post if I find anything fit to print!
Poe
May 27, 2012, 1:52:19 PM5/27/12
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On 5/26/2012 9:35 PM, Odista wrote:
> I've been reading various news articles about an eleven-year-old girl who apparently murdered four children in Dayton, Ohio. All the articles I've found only go up to 1999 in which the child suspect was ordered to undergo psychiatric evaluation. I haven't seen anything more recent than that.
>
> Does anyone know what the outcome of this case was? Was the child ever charged and/or convicted?
Did you see this?
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> Does anyone know what the outcome of this case was? Was the child ever charged and/or convicted?
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.true-crime/browse_thread/thread/54ec1c590617f195/a1febc24aabde339%3Fq%3D%2522Regina%2BMoreland%2522%23a1febc24aabde339&ei=iGwTS6eaOpW8Qpmqic0O&sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&source=groups&usg=AFQjCNGocgH-3j3c547tJOzqs2kPQPZ14g
Chocolic
May 28, 2012, 1:19:28 AM5/28/12
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"Poe" wrote in message news:a2f7u9...@mid.individual.net...
Wow, seeing the post from Joe1Orbit brought back some memories. Have to do
some research to get an opinion though on who did it.
Chocolic
Poe
May 28, 2012, 9:04:26 AM5/28/12
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cannot recall my nym back then and I used to change it with my mood back
in the day before I realized nymshifting was frowned upon.
From what I can gather it sounds like the 12 year old boy was a
suspect, but this case seems to have dropped off the earth after around
1998.
HellT
May 29, 2012, 12:41:02 PM5/29/12
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11/10/1997 death of Da'Jainae Phillips, 1
11/13/1997: death of Da'Jainae's cousin, Alexus Marshall, 2
12/24/1997: death of Danatta Moreland, 3
02/18/1998 County Coroner ruled the deaths of the three children
homicides.
03/06/1998 Phillip Moreland, 42, found dead; death ruled suicide by
prescription drugs.
03/15/1998: Jamila Moreland, 19, mother of Da'Jainae Phillips, dies in
car accident.
06/25/1998: death of Kelab Moreland, 2
07/15/1998: Kelab Moreland's death ruled homicide.
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Kenyatta Moreland, the father of two children who died in the Moreland
household, appeared Thursday in Dayton Municipal Court on charges he
choked his girlfriend until she nearly passed out.
(Dayton Daily News, March 26, 1999 - "Dad of Two Slain Children on
Trial for Assault")
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A police detective, a social worker and a coroner's investigator urged
a judge Thursday not to send home a child suspected of causing the
asphyxiation deaths of four Moreland children.
Their testimony came on the same day the court heard a mental health
worker testify that the girl admitted she sometimes held her hand over
babies' mouths to stop them from crying.
The girl was the only one who had the opportunity to kill all four
children, said Tom Lawson, an investigator with the Montgomery County
Coroner's Office.
"I think (she) is a danger to other children and possibly a danger to
herself," Lawson said.
Herrmann said the girl told her she was sometimes aggressive with the
babies placed in her care. The girl also said she was often forced to
care for the babies...The child told Herrmann she was angry at her
sister, Jamila Moreland, Da'Jainae's mother, who hit her for letting
Da'Jainae chew on an electrical cord.
(Dayton Daily News, March 26, 1999 - "Court Told Girl Suspect in Deaths")
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DAYTON - At least four people related to the Moreland family, in whose
household four children were killed, are among those indicted in what
prosecutors call Dayton's largest cocaine-trafficking operation.
The unsolved deaths, which occurred from November 1997 through June
1998, were ruled homicides by suffocation. The children were 1 to 3
years old.
Among the defendants in the drug and money-laundering case, which the
U.S. Attorney for the Southern District Of Ohio called Dayton's
largest trafficking operation, are Kenyatta Moreland, 29, father of
two victims, and Cecile Marshall, great-grandmother of all four.
...The indictment made public Friday states Earl Marshall, who had a
Ford Taurus specially equipped with an electronically controlled
secret panel, and Kenyatta Moreland were involved in cocaine
trafficking from at least 1995.
(Dayton Daily News Oct. 17, 2004 - "Family Again in Police Spotlight;
Drug charges come years after inquiry into kids' deaths")
Odista
May 29, 2012, 12:56:16 PM5/29/12
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HellT
May 29, 2012, 1:25:56 PM5/29/12
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girlfriend and three of her kids. Much of the family has a violent
criminal history. Plus, they had huge numbers of kids (three of the
women had 19 or 20 kids just between them) and the families mostly
lived within walking distance of each other's homes.
The problem the cops had with this case was that with a family like
this, they had too many suspects. Sure, the minor girl seemed to be
the most likely perp, but it would've been easy to create reasonable
doubt just by pointing out how many other people in that family
could've done it. Since it came out that they were running a big drug
operation, you could even hypothesize that somebody murdered the kids
to keep their parents in line, or to show everyone how ruthless the
kingpins would be about exacting retribution on _anybody_ in the
family who might snitch or try to shave off a piece of the action.
Poe
May 29, 2012, 5:14:00 PM5/29/12
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posting! Sounds like a horrible family for children to grow up in, and
if indeed it was the 11 year old, you have to wonder what happened to
her that caused her to do such things :-( Now I'm very curious whatever
became of her. If I had to guess, sadly, probably a drug addict if she's
not already in prison for other crimes.
Chocolic
May 30, 2012, 1:12:16 AM5/30/12
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"Poe" wrote in message news:a2ksga...@mid.individual.net...
Very interesting case. I don't remember reading about it back when it
happened. The girl could be a scape goat. If so, sad that she will always
be under scrutiny for the rest of her life. When the girl said she
sometimes put her hand over the mouth of a crying child is no big deal and
doesn't make her guilty. She was a child and that's how she dealt with it.
When she said she got aggressive with them sometimes, also pretty common
when forced to tend to younger kids when they are unruly, and you're also
young. Especially in that household. This would make a good book. Funny
some crime buff hasn't picked up on it.
Chocolic
HellT
May 30, 2012, 9:48:13 AM5/30/12
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On 5/30/2012 12:12 AM, Chocolic wrote:
> Very interesting case. I don't remember reading about it back when it
> happened. The girl could be a scape goat.
Supporting that possibility is the fact that she told investigators
> Very interesting case. I don't remember reading about it back when it
> happened. The girl could be a scape goat.
that she'd witnessed an adult male in the family hold his hand over
the children's mouths until they gagged, and beat them with a belt.
When this came out in the hearing, the family's attorney jumped all
over it in an attempt to discredit her testimony.
OTOH, the investigator asked her if Kelab would still be alive if she
hadn't been present while he was in the house, and she said Yes. She
broke down in tears when she was asked who had killed Kelab.
Large clan, busy buying/using drugs, committing crimes, violence as
their way of life. The kids were left to fend for themselves, with the
older kids made responsible for looking after the younger kids. Small
wonder toddlers died under those conditions.
The family insisted it was all accidents or natural deaths and that
the authorities were trying to scapegoat the girl (and, by extension,
the whole family) by maintaining there was something suspicious about
the deaths. Of course, the last thing they wanted was more attention
from the authorities.
Smokie Darling (Annie)
May 30, 2012, 12:32:37 PM5/30/12
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Whatsisface (Furman? Dunne?) got away with his book about Martha Moxley (wasn't it?), because there was a foreword that said this is how *he* sees the evidence, but that his PoI hadn't been charged.
Odista
May 30, 2012, 1:15:44 PM5/30/12
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The child suspect reminds me very much of Mary Bell in England who strangled two boys to death. She also attempted to strangle other children too, but they survived.
Mick
May 30, 2012, 3:53:17 PM5/30/12
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> On 5/26/2012 8:35 PM, Odista wrote:
> I've been reading various news articles about an eleven-year-old
> girl who apparently murdered four children in Dayton, Ohio. All
> the articles I've found only go up to 1999 in which the child
> suspect was ordered to undergo psychiatric evaluation.
I'm guessing you would not want to bring her home to meet mom.
Chocolic
May 30, 2012, 10:43:55 PM5/30/12
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"Odista" wrote in message
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I'd have to read more of the story on the Moreland girl, but Mary Bell kind
of sounded cold, like more of a bad seed? Also there were huge suspicions
on the other girl possibly being more cold and conniving and that Mary Bell
could have taken the rap for because the other girl came from a better
family? It's been a while since I read the story.
I don't know, the Moreland girl, for some reason strikes me different.
Again, I don't know much of the story, but it sounds like there could have
been a whole lot of people that could be blamed for the deaths, and because
of her youth and her upbringing and no proof they didn't go further with the
prosecution. Maybe I'm just looking thru my rose colored glasses because I
have such a hard time dealing with these child child killers.
Chocolic
Chocolic
May 30, 2012, 10:46:03 PM5/30/12
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"Mick" wrote in message
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That's the sad part of it. She may not have had anything to do with the
murders, but people will always wonder. Or, maybe she did, but because of
her youth and upbringing, maybe she turned her life around and grew up and
became a productive adult with a good family.
Chocolic
Odista
May 31, 2012, 8:59:03 AM5/31/12
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Smokie Darling (Annie)
May 31, 2012, 12:39:34 PM5/31/12
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HellT
May 31, 2012, 12:48:11 PM5/31/12
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had adopted her, along with three other children. The guardian ad
litem for the suspect (and the other three children temporarily
removed from the home) said that all four children were receiving
counseling to deal with the deaths and the upheaval to their family
situation, but that the suspect was also getting grilled by the same
social services people about her potential involvement. He felt there
was a clear conflict in that they were supposed to be counseling her
while at the same time they were questioning her. The counselor who'd
been working with her since before she became a suspect said she'd
never changed her story and she believed the girl was innocent.
Also, one child was found dead alongside its mother, who was asleep in
the living room, and another child was actually dressed in a coat and
taken outside before its parents allegedly realized it was
nonresponsive. Plus, the immediate family insisted the deaths were not
suspicious, said the number of deaths was simply coincidental, and
refused to cooperate with the authorities.
The cops contended that the suspect was present in the home at the
time each death occurred. Fine, but with the constant coming and going
of literally dozens of family members, and that family's refusal to
cooperate in the investigation, they had no way of ascertaining who
_else_ had opportunity. And really - how could a child sneak up on a
parent and infant, silently murder the infant, and sneak away, without
the parent awaking? For that matter, how could parents put a coat on a
dead child and not notice he was dead until they went outside with him?
Chocolic
May 31, 2012, 10:31:12 PM5/31/12
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"Odista" wrote in message
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What a messed up, screwed up bunch of people in that home. It's so sad that
the kids were a part of it and who knows what they went thru.
Didn't Mary Bell, after being released, marry and have one or two kids and
nothing was heard from or about her again? I also wonder about those two
kids that killed James Bulger, what they are now doing.
Chocolic
Chocolic
May 31, 2012, 10:36:19 PM5/31/12
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"HellT" wrote in message news:jq87cc$hej$1...@dont-email.me...
Well of course she was present in the home at the time of each death. She
was eleven years old, that was her home, where else would she be.
The immediate family saying the deaths were not suspicious is suspicious in
itself. Amazing there wasn't more investigating done on this. It's also
amazing there aren't more substantial updates on it also. You'd think the
family would want answers. Weird case all around.
Chocolic
Chocolic
May 31, 2012, 10:40:32 PM5/31/12
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"Smokie Darling (Annie)" wrote in message
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I don't know if I'd watch it or not. It's really hard to watch and read
stuff about children that kill. I'm actually more interested in the "why"
they are doing it, if they did. I think I might like to watch that series.
But I'd have to be in the right frame of mind for it too. :) I don't want
to hear the details of what they did, but would like to hear what their
backgrounds were, listen to them talk if they admit it, kind of story. And
if they are released, what they are doing now.
Chocolic
twanam...@gmail.com
Dec 27, 2012, 9:25:50 PM12/27/12
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On Saturday, May 26, 2012 9:35:20 PM UTC-4, Odista wrote:
> I've been reading various news articles about an eleven-year-old girl who apparently murdered four children in Dayton, Ohio. All the articles I've found only go up to 1999 in which the child suspect was ordered to undergo psychiatric evaluation. I haven't seen anything more recent than that. Does anyone know what the outcome of this case was? Was the child ever charged and/or convicted?
you know you should not say things you do not know. that Moreland that is on death is not related to this family. The young lady that was accuse of killing these kids may not have killed these babies. All afingers point at the Grandmother.the great grandmother is now dead,this family has tried to put this behinde them. My family have suffers behind this because we to are Moreland's and are aprt of this family. We would like to know what happen to everyone that includes Phipplip. he did not kill himself it was later founded that he was murder himself. so check your facts the next time you write something you do not know about.it has been 15 years since that happen so let it stay rested as it has been, the truth is bound to come out give it time. we have all moved onto better things. so please just let sleeping dogs lay as the saying goes.who ever did it they will have to answer to God because he knows who really did it.
> I've been reading various news articles about an eleven-year-old girl who apparently murdered four children in Dayton, Ohio. All the articles I've found only go up to 1999 in which the child suspect was ordered to undergo psychiatric evaluation. I haven't seen anything more recent than that. Does anyone know what the outcome of this case was? Was the child ever charged and/or convicted?
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