Four teens arrested Monday for criminal mischief, trespass
December 6, 2005
JOEL DAVIDSON\Frontiersman reporter
MAT-SU - Alaska State Troopers arrested four teenage boys at their Mat-Su
homes Monday after they were charged in last week's vandalism of 44 Mat-Su
school buses - an incident that forced the Mat-Su Borough School District to
close schools for a day on Nov. 29.
Trooper spokesman Greg Wilkinson said the boys were in the custody of their
parents over the weekend while troopers continued their investigation. The
arrests Monday were pre-arranged so parents could be present when the boys
were taken away to Mat-Su Youth Facility in Palmer.
Deryck Harris, 18, and the other three boys - ages 16, 17 and 17 - were each
charged with third-degree criminal mischief, first-degree criminal trespass
and conspiracy to commit criminal mischief, troopers said. The 16-year-old
was also charged with fourth-degree theft and furnishing alcohol to a minor,
for allegedly stealing a bottle of vodka from the liquor store at Tesoro
2-Go in Wasilla.
"They stopped at a liquor store where he went in and stole a bottle of vodka
and provided it to the others in the group," Wilkinson said. "Three of the
four boys consumed alcohol."
Troopers did not release names of the juvenile suspects, but David Coon's
mother confirmed her son was one of two Burchell High School students
involved in the incident. The other two boys are Wasilla High School
students.
Mat-Su Youth Facility Superintendent Bruce Collins said youths in this
situation must see a judge within 48 hours of their detention at the
facility.
"The clock is ticking," he said. "These guys will probably go to court today
or tomorrow."
Depending on the situation, Collins said the youths could face a number of
different scenarios when they go before a judge.
"It can go a whole bunch of directions," he said. "If they can't go back
home, we don't have a whole lot of foster homes in the Valley. In that case
they might stay with us. If they order psychological evaluations, they will
stay with us until that can be completed."
The boys are suspected of deflating tires in 44 First Student buses,
breaking mirrors and unplugging 110 buses from their engine-block heaters,
which caused the buses not to start in subzero weather on Nov. 29.
Contact Joel Davidson at 352-2266 or joel.d...@frontiersman.com.
http://frontiersman.com/articles/2005/12/06/news/news2.txt
Track Palin Involved in Vandalism Rampage - Real Reason for Army Enlistment?
audio and video at link below:
Sarah Palin has not been afraid to emphasize that her oldest son Track has
joined the Army and will soon be sent to Iraq. While commentators have
questioned her ethics for trying to use her son's military service for
political advantage, there are now concerns Gov. Palin may have also
concealed the true reason behind her son's hasty enlistment, something which
would put him in a less than flattering light.
There are now allegations that her son Track was involved in a vandalism
rampage a couple of years earlier and that his run-in with the law
contributed to his decision to enlist in the Army.
On December 5, 2005, the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman reported that Alaska
State Troopers had arrested four teenage boys for the previous week's
vandalism of school buses. The boys deflated the tires of 44 buses, broke
mirrors and unplugged 110 buses from their engine-block heaters, which
caused the buses not to start in subzero weather. The incident was serious
enough to force the school district to close schools for a day on November
29.
One of the boys was identified as 18-year-old Deryck Harris. State troopers
refused to release the names of the 3 other boys, ages 16, 17, and 17,
because they were juveniles. However, the mother of one of the juvenile
suspects confirmed her son David Coon was involved in the incident. Two of
the boys, including Coon, attended Burchell High School. The other two were
students at Wasilla High School.
The boys were each charged with third-degree criminal mischief, first-degree
criminal trespass and conspiracy to commit criminal mischief. In addition,
the 16-year-old was also charged with fourth-degree theft and furnishing
alcohol to a minor. He was alleged to have stolen a bottle of vodka from a
local liquor store.
A progressive Alaska radio station (Newstalk 1080 Kudo) reported on
September 2, 2008 that the 16-year-old boy in the story was actually Track
Palin. The station cited an unnamed judicial source. A recording of the
radio broadcast is not yet available.
However, the story has been picked up by a local Anchorage public television
station.
Nellie Moore and Steve MacDonald on KAKM Channel 7, Anchorage Edition
(September 5, 2008):
MacDonald is quick to note that the local radio station may be biased given
its liberal stance; however, he was not previously familiar with the story
and could not comment on its authenticity. The host Nellie Moore, who is
familiar with the report, did seem very much convinced.
Curiously, Track Palin spent six months of his senior year with a host
family in Portage, Michigan. His mother took him out of Wasilla High School
and sent him to Michigan for the 2006/2007 school year. The Kalamazoo
Gazette is reporting that Track came to the Midwest hoping he would be
picked up by college hockey recruiters in the area, this despite the fact
that he was already a star hockey player for the competitive Alaska
All-Stars team.
One has to wonder whether Sarah Palin had any hand in her son's decision to
leave Wasilla. After all, it would not be the first time that Sarah Palin
took one of her troubled kids out of school. She did the same thing when she
learned of her teenage daughter Bristol's pregnancy.
Track Palin's involvement in the vandalism incident could no doubt have
influenced his later decision to enlist in the Army. There have been
allegations in the past that Sarah Palin and her husband Todd push their son
to enlist in the military. The latest news appear to lend more credence to
those allegations.
http://sarahpalinexposed.com/?p=517
Boy, I remember that. What a pain in the ass it was.
Hadn't ever heard any rumours that Track was one of the kids, but I wasn't
paying attention at the time. Wouldn't be surprised. Hell, I wouldn't have
been surprised if it had been one of my own kids. A bunch of them were
certainly in their share of juvie trouble. Thank all the gods that most
kids grow up and out of that sort of shit.
Davi
--
People are like diamonds. They have many facets.
I am glad my parents never ran for a big office. Man, they'd be CREAMED
based on the actions of us kids!
Ditto!! In fact, it's a good thing I didn't want to run for some office
after I finally shaped up. I'd have been doomed from the start.
Chocolic
Gawd I love your posts. They make me feel smart just reading them. :)
Chocolic
comadrejo wrote:
> In article <6irh30...@mid.individual.net>,
> Poe <hau...@terrible-thought.com> wrote:
>
> Sometimes, Politics is about what beautiful ribbons can be used to
> divert attention from a pile of road apples, (ie Manure to non
> equestrians) We all have skeletons or embarrassing moments in our
> lives, but it is how one's spins them, is what is so important in
> Politics and PR.
>
> If your parents, hypothetically ran for office, the standard answer
> would be "youthful indiscretions" for your endeavors..
>
> To tie in road apples and politics.. Machiavelli used the example of
> Chiron, the head of the Centaurs as the ideal leader... (Centaurs were
> kind of Greek Myths version of today's motorcycle gangs)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiron
If you weren't talking politics here, one might wonder about teens,
kids,
and goals. And parenting.
When I was a kid (about 4 or 5), I once slammed the front door of a
friend's
house and some of their knick·knacks fall off a window onto the rug.
I went
running home and their father came running after me. He was pretty
mad
and he spanked his kids. My parents did not believe in spanking,,
they
said you could reason with a child and they started reasoning with us
at
an early age. My mom said most of the time people hit their kids out
of
anger and it's the anger the kid remembers, not the problem.
So the neighbor wanted my mother to spank me and she refused and said
she'll take care of it in her own way. I was under my bed, she pulled
me out.
Told me I needed to respect other people's property, that I mustn't
ever do
something like that again. How would I like people to come into our
house
and slam a door. Or break things. I was mad at my friend because I
found
something of mine at her house and she wouldn't give it back to me.
My
mom said that's not the issue, and there aren't any excuse for
rudeness,
for doing something to someone else's property.
When I was in high school, the kids would take blocks of ice and go
out a
night to a golf course. I knew it was not good for the grass. I said
I couldn't
go because it wasn't right, it was destructive to a business. It
sounded fun,
but in good conscience I couldn't do it because I always remembered
what
my parents had said about not doing to others, even businesses what
you
didn't want done to yourself.
And what about kids having goals for the future. Going to college.
An ex-coworker
lived in a predominately Asian neighborhood and was complaining that
his kids
friends are always studying, planning for college. Better than
getting in trouble.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Your parents sounded very wise. And it appears their methods worked as
intended.
When I was a kid, I never did anything destructive to anyone but myself.
didn't vandalize, didn't get a charge from that sort of thing, destroying
the property of anyone. I did my share of drinking, hanging out in
dangerous places, walking the streets at night, smoked a lot, but I never
got into drugs. Always figured I had enough problems in my life, I didn't
need to add any more.
-----------------------
Kids are born with different temperaments on how they deal with different
punishments and peer pressure and life in general. Parents are also born
with different temperaments or backgrounds, on how they deal with their own
kids. Most of the time the combination works out. Sometimes you have one
temperament fighting with a different temperament in their child and all
hell breaks loose.
You're parents sound like smart and caring parents and they got lucky that
you took on their genes. :) It's too bad everybody can't be like that.
But alas, no.
Some smart and caring parents have a child that no matter what they do, the
child is a rebel..or worse. Some kids need a swat on the butt to know you
mean business, other kids it only takes a shake of the head and a point of
the finger, or a time out, and that works too. Smacks anywhere else on the
body should be off limits. And smacks with an object such as a spatula (or
some such spanking weapon) are off limits. Mainly because a parent can get
pretty pissed off and putting a weapon in their hand isn't good.
Chocolic
It's a rumor at this point. But you did illegal things like deface
property when
you were young? Doing things like that is not "Kids will be kids."
What about kids having some sort of goal? Don't you think a teen's
less likely to
get pregnant or in trouble if they have a goal for the future. And
can't the parent
help in that goal. My sister said once she and and her husband shared
the same
values, family, and that meant their children became responsible
adults and that
process started when they were children.
Same here, and added bonus, I learned something in this one!
I acted out in every way possible. Most of my bad acts, though, were
more to do with substances or obtaining money. Looking back, I have no
idea where the rage came from, my parents (from what I can remember)
were pretty good, I guess, but I didn't live with them as a teen, can't
blame them for the things I did as a teen.
Still, you turned out to be a perfect mother raising perfect
kids. No one can swift-boat you the way you are swift-boating
Gov. Palin.
Nancy
--
E = F-flat
Musician's Theory of Relativity
nru...@att.net
That wasn't very nice, Nancy. :(
Nobody is perfect at parenting, and nobody has perfect kids either.
I will say this, when my kids screwed up, I didn't whisk them away or
attempt to cover up their mistakes. When they did something wrong, they
were made to go to whom ever it *effected* and apologize and make ammends in
what ever way they could. If they ruined or broke something belonging to a
neighbor, it was up to that neighbor as to what they wanted done about it,
and I supported that. I recall one of my kids marking on a neighbors
bricks. The neighbor made a bleach solution for my daughter to scrub the
bricks until they came clean. I didn't argue, 'hey, it probably wasn't *my*
kid who did it', 'could have been one of the other neighborhood kids'
yadda yadda yaddda. I asked my kid 'were you involved?' She said 'yes',
so she was there until it was cleaned up.
I'm not 'swift-boating' Palin. I'm asking for the same from her that I
asked for from my own kids, HONESTY. Far mor important IMHO, in this
situation. We've had a liar and a fraud running this country for the last
eight years. You want to continue that tradition? Cause I certainly don't.
td
I must have missed something. What cover-up?
Re: being "whisked away"... sometimes it is good for a kid to be moved
out of a situation in which they're getting into trouble. In fact, in my
case, I think they meant well - my parents were planning to have me
"whisked away", if you will, which is why I hit the road at 13. However,
looking back, what they had in mind would have been safer, I was just
too bull headed at the time to see it. So I, getting into trouble all
the time, might have benefited from being whisked off.
It is so hard for me to criticize how people parent, when they mean well
(as opposed to the freaks we read about on a.t-c). It depends so much
on the details, none of which we are privy to.
And finally, it seems the boy decided as an adult to enlist in the military.
I get the impression the woman was/is a reasonable parent, with kids who
do stupid shit sometimes. I've seen no evidence of bad parenting.
Okies, so I asked Baby Spawn, who is Track's age and knew two of the kids
involved in the Bus Vandalism fiasco, if Track was one of the kids in that
group. She said absolutely not. She didn't know Track, but did know the
first names of all four kids back when it happened, and is positive Track
wasn't one of them.
So gee. Sarah tells us all that war with Russia is an option, but that's
apparently not newsy enough to make it into my most political newsgroups.
Another baseless rumour about one of her kids though...
*sigh*
All this Sarah-bashing is so wrong on more than one level. First, the
rumors are often untrue. Then, even if they are, who are we to pass
judgment? Nothing I've heard, rumor or true, has been that bad. I'm
shocked at the response to this woman. I would have expected a
supportive response, then let her rise or fall on the facts, but not
this witch-hunt.
Forgot to say what I meant to lead with DUH - thanks for the follow-up
and clarification!!
TD has screwed up with her kids. She won't admit it on here but she has.
Nobody is perfect. And even if there were such a thing as a perfect parent,
nobody has perfect kids. They are all different.
I think one of the things I hate most in people are the ones that climb up
on a soap box and state "well I never", or "my kids would never". Gawd it
makes me want to spit.
Chocolic
You are so full of shit. Yes you are "swift-boating" Palin.
Chocolic
>I get the impression the woman was/is a reasonable parent, with kids who
>do stupid shit sometimes. I've seen no evidence of bad parenting.
I have deep, deep concerns about Palin, but her parenting choices are
not among them.
--
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>
>> Still, you turned out to be a perfect mother raising perfect
>> kids. No one can swift-boat you the way you are swift-boating
>> Gov. Palin.
>>
>> Nancy
>
>
> That wasn't very nice, Nancy. :(
>
It's not as ugly as the lies and rumors you persist in
spreading about Gov. Palin.
> Nobody is perfect at parenting, and nobody has perfect kids either.
>
Really? Then why do you demand perfect parenthood from her but
you don't from Obama?
> I will say this, when my kids screwed up, I didn't whisk them away or
> attempt to cover up their mistakes. When they did something wrong, they
> were made to go to whom ever it *effected* and apologize and make ammends in
> what ever way they could. If they ruined or broke something belonging to a
> neighbor, it was up to that neighbor as to what they wanted done about it,
> and I supported that. I recall one of my kids marking on a neighbors
> bricks. The neighbor made a bleach solution for my daughter to scrub the
> bricks until they came clean. I didn't argue, 'hey, it probably wasn't *my*
> kid who did it', 'could have been one of the other neighborhood kids'
> yadda yadda yaddda. I asked my kid 'were you involved?' She said 'yes',
> so she was there until it was cleaned up.
>
Yes, I already know you're a perfect mother raising perfect kids.
Sorry everyone doesn't live to those standards.
> I'm not 'swift-boating' Palin. I'm asking for the same from her that I
> asked for from my own kids, HONESTY. Far mor important IMHO, in this
> situation. We've had a liar and a fraud running this country for the last
> eight years. You want to continue that tradition? Cause I certainly don't.
>
>
Yes, you are "swift-boating" Palin. First, she's not your kid.
Second, she has not attempted to cover up whatever her son did;
you lied and said she did. I never said for whom I will vote or
why. This isn't about partisan politics; it's about defending
someone when someone else is spreading lies and false rumors
about her.
"Indigo Ace" <indi...@a01.com> wrote in message
news:48d3cf2c...@news.prodigy.net...
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:18:31 -0400, Poe <hau...@terrible-thought.com>
> wrote:
>
>>I get the impression the woman was/is a reasonable parent, with kids who
>>do stupid shit sometimes. I've seen no evidence of bad parenting.
>
> I have deep, deep concerns about Palin, but her parenting choices are
> not among them.
>
I know I'm not American so really the choice of President/VP etc will have
only a small effect on Australia. However I too have concerns re Palin.
Parenting would be one of them but not for the reasons in this post.
My concerns are based on such things as censorship - Palin wanting certain
books removed from a library, cost cutting and getting rape victims to pay
for their own rape exam kits.
Parenting from the point of view that being VP will be a very time consuming
role and she has young children including a baby with special needs. I
imagine that the role of VP is one that does NOT involve a simple 9 - 5 job
and taking work home sometimes from the office. Don't get me wrong I FULLY
support and applaud all women who work and have children BUT surely the role
of VP entails so much more???I'm thinking of all the travel to and from DC,
attending events etc etc. Actually to be honest I'm ambiguous about her
running for VP, on one hand I think HURRAY a woman VP how wonderful and then
on the other hand I think WOW how will she do it with kids and a baby.
Aus Wendy
>
> I'm not 'swift-boating' Palin. �I'm asking for the same from her that I
> asked for from my own kids, HONESTY. �Far mor important IMHO, in this
> situation. �We've had a liar and a fraud running this country for the last
> eight years. �You want to continue that tradition? �Cause I certainly don't.
>
Maybe you're asking the wrong people for honesty...............
"Despite snowballing reports and rumors, Sarah Palin's eldest son,
Track, was not part of the gang of four teenagers who criminally
vandalized
44 Alaska school buses in 2005, a key culprit told The News.
"Track wasn't with me. Track had nothing to do with it," participant
Deryck Harris, 20, said Wednesday in an exclusive interview."
"The daughter of Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) was arrested on a
misdemeanor charge of obstructing a police officer outside a Chicago
bar.
Ashley Blazer Biden, 21, of Wilmington, Del., was with a group of
people on a North Side street where several bars are located when
someone else threw a bottle at an officer, police said.
When police tried to arrest another person, Biden blocked the
officer’s path and made intimidating statements, officer JoAnn Taylor
said.
Biden was later released and is scheduled to appear in court Sept. 20.
Sen. Biden’s spokeswoman, Margaret Aitken, declined to comment,
calling it a private, family matter."
http://articles.latimes.com/2002/aug/04/nation/na-briefs4.1
But... but... <foaming at the mouth> she MUST have done SOMETHING
wrong!?!?! If we keep making things up, surely eventually we'll luck out
and hit a nail on the head!!
I should have clung to my guns and stayed out of these Palin threads.
They're so incredibly frustrating on a number of levels - they're
usually false, they're usually personal, they're often a criticism of
her parenting skills, which we know nothing about, and they're usually
just an attempt to take her out.
Thanks for this, btw.
And what about Biden's son and brother's fraud charges?
A son and a brother of Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) are accused in
two lawsuits of defrauding a former business partner and an investor of
millions of dollars in a hedge fund deal that went sour, court records
show.....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/23/AR2008082302200.html
And speaking of Biden, what about his plagiarism scandal:
http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2008/08/26/the-biden-plagiarism-scandal/
> I have deep, deep concerns about Palin, but her parenting choices are
> not among them.
> Anne
The candidates' kids should be off limits whether they are adults or
children. Even if the rumors- and that's ~all~ they are at this
writing- about Track's alleged drug use are true, then it's fair game
to question Al Gore's competency based on Al Jr.'s *documented* drug
follies, to say nothing of Jeb Bush's kids' issues. And no one did
such a thing when they were running for or holding office, IIRC.
Enough is enough. Leave the kids out of it- regardless of which party
their parents are in. End of discussion.
Marianna
Al Gore didn't use 'hockey dad' as a part of his platform. Sarah Palin
*uses* her kids when it's to her advantage IMO. She 'uses' the fact that
she's a *mom* every chance she gets. Walking the stage with her disabled
babe in arms. That's the difference IMO.
td
They all bring their kids on stage, and Obama allowed his kids to be
interviewed on one of the news shows.
That would be all well and good, except the republicans haven't allowed the
press access to her. Other than Charlie Gibson, she's been off limits.
TD can't answer right now, she's frantically looking for something else to
blame on the Palin kids.
Chocolic
All candidates trot their families out. Obama did at the
DNC.
And your cite for this is?
She won't have one.
Chocolic
Did I tell you I love your posts? Oh yea, I already did. Never mind.
Chocolic <never too old to keep learnin>
He's one of the best posters here, Choc, I agree big time.
jc
[tiny:]
>> That would be all well and good, except the republicans haven't allowed the
>> press access to her. Other than Charlie Gibson, she's been off limits.
>>
>>
>
>And your cite for this is?
I googled Palin first interview & found a bunch.
Here's one:
<<
In her most significant media test since her shock selection as the
Republican vice-presidential nominee three weeks ago, Mrs Palin gave a
three-hour interview to ABC News.
Until then Mrs Palin, who has only 20 months' experience as governor
of Alaska, had given only modified versions of a single speech on the
campaign trail and refused to take questions from reporters.
>>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080913/ap_on_el_pr/palin;_ylt=Aoho3SNa3qpRlzKO9wPmETys0NUE
Palin had no other public appearances, chances to mingle with hometown
crowds or interaction with the dozens of reporters and photographers
accompanying her, except for a series of televised interviews with ABC News.
Palin did move out into the crowd a bit during her early Saturday
appearance, shaking hands with supporters for about 15 minutes after her
speech and signing campaign signs that read, "Welcome home Sarah."
She stayed for two days at her Wasilla home on Lake Lucille, missing a
hastily planned rally of about 100 supporters gathered at a hotel near her
home Friday evening. Organizers had hoped she'd stop by or say a few words
through a special video conference connection they had set up.
Palin has been sheltered by McCain staff who have huddled with her over the
last few days. She moves on to Nevada for a rally and is expected as early
as next week to rejoin McCain on the campaign trail.
Choc has some personal grudge that causes her to jab incessantly. Perhaps
someday she'll get help for that affliction.