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Dutroux: Abrasax - unanswered questions

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John Stevens

Mar 24, 2004, 2:28:59 PM3/24/04
One of the most controversial aspects of the Dutroux investigation was
the the police raid on the premises of Abrasax on 21/12/1996. Abrasax,
as anyone searching Google using keywords 'Abrasax' and 'Dutroux' can
confirm, was a sort of witches coven which was suspected of carrying
out human sacrifices. The chiefs of this coven (for want of a better
word) were priestess Nahema-Nephthys (Dominique Kinderman) and priest
Anubis (Francis Desmet).

The circumstances that led the police to the door of Abrasax (the note
found at Weintein's house, for example) are documented elsewhere, so I
will not repeat them here. But all sides of the Dutroux controversy
seem to be agreed that the raid on Abrasax was way over the top, and
that if *one* lead had to be singled out as being completely
ridiculous and without merit, then Abrasax was it. The result of the
raid, of course, was that nothing significant was found on the
premises, 223 rue Vandervelde, Forchies-La-Marche. The priest and
priestess freely admitted their interest in black magic, but stressed
that no criminal acts took place.

The raid was regarded as a dreadful humiliation for the police, made
worse by the leaks which meant that there was a considerable, although
in theory hidden, media presence to witness the police raid when it
took place. After the raid, the police withdrew and licked their
wounds. The black magic/ritual murder hypotheses were suppressed soon
after, and never emerged again.

What I find surprising is that way that Abrasax-related enquiries were
never followed through. Because, even though the police may not have
found evidence of black magic, they definitely uncovered a can of

The first question to ask is, could the police really have expected to
find anything, given the lack of discretion while planning the raid? A
very interesting police statement gives us the answer.

Police Statement 112.039 21/12/1996 BDE CHARL JARON - INTERVIEW of
VERBRUCH Monique (07/06/1957) - Volunteered to give a statement. On
20/12/1996 a van containing 6 men and one woman moved, in two trips,
cartons and a piano from 223 rue Vandervelde. Written on the side of

Now I don't know anything about the witness, but it is very unlikely
that she was mistaken. She went to the police on the day of the raid,
to point out to them that she had seen a major removal operation
taking place the previous day! Proverbs containing horses bolting and
stable doors come to mind...

I would have been very interesting, of course, to know what was in the
cartons. I have never seen or read anything, however, that indicates
that the police followed this up.

And Abrasax itself? It seems to have had several interesting members,
but the most interesting one of all, by far, is Armand Van Ghyseghem.

The three police statements below reveal information about him

---- Police Statement 5.341 21/12/1996 CELL CHARL MORIAME - INTERVIEW
of Willy VASSAUX
Employed on 01/03/1994 by VAN GHYSEGHEM Armand for company SA
Dismissed in 06/1995
VAN GHYSEGHEM told him that regularly made love to little girls who
were locked up in iron cages
He spoke about 5 year old girls
VAN GHYSEGHEM goes regularly to THAILAND
He was physically threatened by VAN GHYSEGHEM, just as Milka LINGURSKI
- he mentioned the name of criminal of CHARLEROI: Jean RENSON
VAN GHYSEGHEM is linked to ABRASAX and hangs out with ANUBIS and
Maurice JOSTEN explained to him that during a black mass at ABRASAX a
man died
VAN GHYSEGHEM was protected by Charles PICQUE (Ed: a notable Belgian
Jacques LEJEUNE and VAN CAUWENBERGHE (Ed: Mayor of Charleroi) are
involved in paedophilia (learnt from Jacquelin JUIN - RTBF)
They were also involved in drug trafficking coming form Turkey via the
airport of GOSSELIES (Ed: Charleroi airport)
VAN GHYSEGHEM had been seen in BANGKOK discussing with pimps
VAN GHYSEGHEM was at the centre of trafficking young girls from
The cleaning lady of VAN GHYSEGHEM is scared to talk
VAN GHYSEGHEM is sometimes called ABA VANGH
VAN GHYSEGHEM attended orgies with DESSY who inherited the Forges de
Clabecq (Ed: a large Belgian company which went bankrupt after being
sold to the Belgian state for an enormous sum of money), and minors in
his office.

---- Police Statement 5.205 09/01/1997 PJ ARLON DAVIN - INTERVIEW of
LINGURSKI Milka (18/02/1961)
She had been employed by VAN GHYSEGHEM from 04/1994 to 05/1995
She had stopped because of she was physically assaulted by VAN
He had a lot of money but was incompetent as a book publisher
He was very interested in young children
He boasted of his 'exploits' in ASIA
Someone named CHARLIER said that he had met VAN GHYSEGHEM in THAILAND
He said he was protected and that no criminal charges were ever laid
against him
VAN GHYSEGHEM had proposed to go with her to ABRASAX but she had
DESSY was probably the mistress of VAN GHYSEGHEM, she gave him a lot
of money
She had heard vague rumeurs of a black mass at ABRASAX at which a man
had died

---- Police Statement 5.053 14/01/1997 PJ ARLON DAVIN - INTERVIEW of
SCRAUWEN Lilian (03/12/1946)
Teacher at St Peter's College in UCCLE
Since 1988 she copywriter for VAN GHYSEGHEM
She refused to contribute to the PRINCE OF THIS WORLD project (ed: a
book on black magic) because the text and illustrations were too
She participated in a black mass at Abrasax.
Very young children were brought by their parents and took communion
in the name of Satan.
KINDERMAN Dominique = Very intelligent and very dishonest.
VAN GHYSEGHEM gave her videos containing an account of his life, in
order to produce a book
He spoke of his sex life and acts of paedophilia in ASIA
No crimes in BELGIUM
Does not have a copy of the videos; had an argument with VAN GHYSEGHEM

Now the 3 statements do need to be read, while bearing in mind that
none of the three interviewees liked Van Ghyseghem. And the first two
interviewees, if not the third, knew each other. Nevertheless, I
consider their accounts of Van Ghyseghem to be credible. In the
absence of proof, the rumours about the mans's death should probably
be treated with a pinch of salt, however.

An interesting note, incidentally, was made on 16/01/1997 by PJ
based on a claim, by an anonymous witness, that VAN GHYSEGHEM was a
friend of John STAMFORD.

This note was never followed up but is of interest because Stamford (a
defrocked English priest) died while awaiting trial in Belgium for
organising paedophile trips to foreign countries (he was
unquestionably guilty), and Thailand was one of the most important

Apart from the paedophilia, the claims of Van Ghyseghem to be
protected must be given some credence. There was a police raid on the
company were Van Ghyseghem worked (but no-one was there, the business
was locked up), and as far as I am aware Van Ghyseghem has never been
questioned by the police.

On a side note, there is a link between the priestess of Abrasax,
Dominique Kindermans, and Nihoul. Probably not significant, given the
'everyone knows everyone' nature of Belgium, but interesting
nevertheless. The Belgian police seem to have stumbled upon the link
almost by chance, and did not follow it up.

It came about through a police interview with Pierre Willems who had
attracted their attention because of his drunk and disorderly
behaviour in the past, while in the company of Nihoul. In police
statement 5.058 23/01/1997 PJ ARLON DAVIN Willems says that he met
Dominique Kindermans via Marie-Rose Alsteens who lived in the same
house as Kindermans, and had been employeed by Nihoul in the 80's, in
his bar Le Clin D'Oeil. This was confirmed by the police's own records
which shows that Alsteens had lodged a formal complaint against
Nihoul, for unfair dismissal, after she worked there.

I would have expected either Nihoul or Kindermans to be asked by the
police, at this point, if they knew each other, but as far as I am
aware this never took place.

Finally, Van Ghyseghem pops up in another, not entirely unexpected,
place. This is the Belgian Parliamentary Enquiry of 1997 into
religious cults in Belgium. This followed the catastophe of the Order
of The Solar Temple, which led to mass suicides in (mainly)
Switzerland, but also France and Canada. Because the Belgian
connections were strong, and indeed one of the two leaders, Luc
Jouris, was Belgian, there was considerable concern there. Hence the
Belgian Parliamentary Enquiry.

Now there are a *lot* of unanswered questions about the Order of The
Solar Temple (just search on Google to find some of them). And Luc
Jouris was (he committed suicide too during the mass-suicides) a very
strange figure. But one thing that came out of the enquiry is that Van
Ghyseghem knew quite a lot about him, and so did Willy Vassaux
(interviewed in one the three police statements above). Van Ghyseghem
was questioned by the board of the Parliamentary Enquiry, and he made
the following claim. Willy Vassaux and Luc Jouris has worked together
in the Belgian army and attempted to inflitrated 'esoteric groups' on
behalf of the PIO (Public Information Office) when it was run by Major
Bougerol. The Public Information Office, despite its innocuous
sounding name was an extreme right organisation that existed in the
1980's, and although technically part of the army, essentially served
to gather information for the Prime Minister who set it up, Paul
Vandenboeynants. Bougerol himself never attempted to hid his
sympathies for the extreme right.

Alan Hope

Mar 24, 2004, 3:16:57 PM3/24/04
John Stevens goes:

Just a side note on one aspect of your post:

>---- Police Statement 5.053 14/01/1997 PJ ARLON DAVIN - INTERVIEW of
>SCRAUWEN Lilian (03/12/1946)
>Teacher at St Peter's College in UCCLE
>Since 1988 she copywriter for VAN GHYSEGHEM
>She refused to contribute to the PRINCE OF THIS WORLD project (ed: a
>book on black magic) because the text and illustrations were too
>She participated in a black mass at Abrasax.
>Very young children were brought by their parents and took communion
>in the name of Satan.
>KINDERMAN Dominique = Very intelligent and very dishonest.
>VAN GHYSEGHEM gave her videos containing an account of his life, in
>order to produce a book
>He spoke of his sex life and acts of paedophilia in ASIA
>No crimes in BELGIUM
>Does not have a copy of the videos; had an argument with VAN GHYSEGHEM

This story published by me in May 2002:


A Brussels court will return its verdict next week (May 15) in the
case against four teachers and two former directors of the Collège
St-Pierre in Uccle, accused of sexual abuse of children. But before
the bench had even retired to consider its verdict, the result had
been sabotaged by the prosecutors who brought the charges in the first

The trial began in March, with six members of staff accused of
offences from rape with violence to sexual assault to failure to
assist a person in danger. A lower court had previously refused to
indict a further eight members of staff. The offences concern nine
children from five familieswho were allegedly assaulted between 1992
and 1996.

The court heard testimony from child-psychology experts that
"something had happened" at the college, including one who swore that
one child had been abused anally, and presented evidence of anal
lesions consistent with rape. Other children showed signs of anorexia,
insomnia and nightmares, learning difficulties and personality
disorder, all alleged to be a result of abuse.

But the advocate for the prosecution, senior magistrate Chantal
Pensis, shocked the court when in her closing arguments she withdrew
her demand for convictions on most of the charges. Rejecting the
majority of the allegations brought against the men by her own office,
she finally called for sanction on only three charges: one count of
failure to assist a person in danger against the school's former
director-general, and two counts of sexual assault against one
teacher. Four of the defendants saw their charges thrown out by the
prosecution, before the defence had even had a chance to sum up.
During the statement, parents of alleged victims left the court in
disgust. Counsel for the victims described the move as "partisan and

The chances of a widespread acquital next week have to be great. The
bench is not obliged to follow the recommendations of the prosecution,
but it is unusual to retain charges the state has already rejected. If
it were to do so, the likelihood is any subsequent appeal would be
greatly strengthened.

The reasons the prosecution dropped its own charges are mysterious,
and the prosecutor's office last week refused to comment other than to
refer to Mme. Pensis' own summing-up in court. Then, she claimed "the
allegations had failed to solidify into proofs". One of the two
charges of rape, she said, had proved impossible to verify because
details in the victim's statement could not be substantiated. She went
along with the expert in accepting that the other alleged rape had
taken place. But, she told the court, it had been impossible to
determine when, or who was responsible.

Lawyers for the families, and their supporters, saw the prosecution's
abdication as evidence of pressure from outside, allegations of which
have formed a constant part of this case. The counsel for one family,
Jean-Paul Tieleman, claimed he had been threatened by senior
magistrates whose names he was forbidden by the official Brussels bar
to reveal. He had also, he said, been forbidden from revealing the
contents of a letter from a highly-placed magistrate to the
authorities of the school.

Then La Dernière Heure published a letter from Brussels
prosecutor-general Andre Van Oudenhove to the chairman of the board of
governors of the school, Canon Pierre Houssiau, who had sought
guidance on the suspension of an accused teacher. In the letter, Van
Oudenhove writes: "The investigation is not over. I will look into the
progress of the procedure and keep you up to date on any new element
concerning the accused teacher." According to another family lawyer,
Michel Graindorge, this demonstrates not only Van Oudenhove's breach
of the confidentiality of an ongoing investigation, but also a
"subjective and partial" attitude on the part of the prosecutor's

Both Claude Lelièvre, the state's delegate for children's rights, and
investigating magistrate Damien Vandermeersch testified that the
school had obstructed enquiries. Lelièvre, brought in to mediate in
1996, said: "There was never a mention of the children. What was
important to them was to stress that the whole thing was impossible.
They could not admit that something had happened within the

And Vandermeersch told how he had arrived with a search warrant only
to be kept waiting by the director because he "had not made an
appointment". The director also threatened to order his staff to
prevent the search.

A motion to have Canon Houssiau and Cardinal Godfried Danneels, the
head of the Catholic Church in Belgium, charged with non-assistance,
will be ruled on by the court on May 27 - two weeks after it hands
down its verdict. Tieleman described the decision as "without logic.
They knew what was going on, and did nothing to stop this abuse," he


The case ended in acquittals across the board, and no proceedings
against the Canon and the Cardinal.



Mar 25, 2004, 8:39:29 AM3/25/04
Alan Hope <> wrote in message news:<>...

My Belgian pal said that Belgium justice is not blind - it has no head, no brains.

from Nan

Alan Hope

Mar 25, 2004, 11:57:09 AM3/25/04
nan goes:

>My Belgian pal said that Belgium justice is not blind - it has no head, no brains.

Bring your Belgian pal out to speak for him/herself. Only an idiot
would have their words filtered through you.



Mar 25, 2004, 4:06:21 PM3/25/04

"Alan Hope" <> wrote in message

Oh Alan, you silly fool-don't you get it? When someone's "Belgian" "pal"
says something it speaks for "Belgium justice".
Who are you to disagree?
C'mon give up, nan knows so much more about this than you. Why don't you
just concede? :)


Mar 25, 2004, 5:27:47 PM3/25/04

"CBZ" <> wrote in message

Ooops-forgot :)


Apr 11, 2004, 9:10:02 PM4/11/04
Alan Hope <> wrote in message news:<>...

Mephisto Mond,
You are usual...! No "filtered words" - just expressing
the sincere, emphasis SINCERE, opinions from a couple of Belgian
citizens. The case/trial is fading, fading, fading from the public
eye. The international TV media picked-up and left. The lid on
Pandora's Box is shut tight.
Regina is "mad" and a "fanateuse" (sp), and all is well in Belgium.

A government which bows to aristocractic privilege is never just.
Afterall, only a society's decadent elite can afford the luxury of
paying for child sex-slaves...and afford to cover-up their debauchery.
(Old world upper class elitist stuff...orgy dungeons and castles.)

As the good book* says, "Orgy-Porgy" and "2+2=5."
(*1984* - for Linda Griffith's reference)

It is appropriate to your effete character that you, Alan Hope, bemoan
and protest to propagandistic hyperbole our America's "lost freedoms"
while you dismiss and deny Belgium (& Holland)is Europe's center for
child sex-slavery and child pornography, "orgy cafes", etc.

As ever, in contempt for what you reveal of yourself, from Nan

P.S. There is still an on-going private investigation of the case,
the broader "network" (Nihoul, Vervoordt, Bouty, et al), and the child
sex-slave market by those who care about the "freedom" of children.
Even the U.N. will contemplate this outrage, the evil destruction of
innocent children's lives, within the next fifty years or so - at a
more >studious< pace than that of Belgium's investigation of the
Dutroux case. Can you imagine? Ten years later, after the horrendous
fact, the United Nations has just discover a genocide in Africa!
Genocide and child sex-slavery are worth a study.

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