What went wrong? -- Saving Audrey Iacona
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Kris Baker
>cheerleader in a maximum security prison for 8 years.
And rightly so, imnsvho.
>See how the media sensationalized this case and caused jurors
>to vote by emotion rather than by fact! Read about all the facts
>and more at [self-promoting website URL snipped.]
Does your website contain these REAL facts?
1 - She knew she was pregnant, and hid it from everyone (which
is a prima-facie case of premeditation.) Girls who hide their
pregnancies do not suddenly "come clean" at the time of birth.
These are the very babies found dead and/or abandoned.
2 - How would parents miss the fact that Miss Cheerleader was
pregnant? I'm a Mom - and if my daughter were pregnant, she
may be able to hide it for awhile, but not for nine months.
3 - What about all the FRIENDS who knew this girl was pregnant?
She told them - how did the parents not know?
4 - This girl is guilty of willful actions, through refusing to
get medical assistance throughout the pregnancy. If it really
was stillborn (and obviously the defense found some "expert"
willing to say so), it's a result of that willful action.
Now, go away.
Kris
glas
I assume you watched the Dateline program about this case. Wasn't it
interesting how her family was able to find so many excuses for her
behavior? Motherly love is admirable but willful ignorance is not. The part
that really killed me was when her mother talked about how they saw a little
Christmas baby outfit while out shopping and Audrey remarked about how her
baby would have looked so cute in it, that gave me the creeps.
At the beginning of the program it seemed that perhaps this was another one
of those cases where the girl is in denial about her pregnancy and did
something drastic when the child was born but as they got further into the
story it was painfully obvious that Audrey knew exactly what was going on.
She had been pregnant once before and so she definitely knew what was going
to happen. She also told several friends about the pregnancy and said things
that made it clear she had no intention of being a mother.
There was a similar case in Ohio recently, the Rebecca Hopfer case, and she
was sentenced to a lot more time than Audrey was. I have to wonder if the
fact that Audrey was a pretty, popular teenager with wealthy parents made
the difference. Although Rebecca Hopfer's family is certainly not poor, they
definitely don't have the same resources that Audrey's family obviously does
and Rebecca is nowhere near as attractive.
glas
Kris Baker
>|Now, go away.
I saw part of the show, and was amazed by the parents'
total support of what their daughter did -- including absolution
for hiding the pregnancy. Since the girl did tell her friends,
I'm wondering if these were the type of parents who the girl
felt she could not reveal a pregnancy to - and now feel so
guilty that they've tipped the scales in the other direction.
>At the beginning of the program it seemed that perhaps this was
>another one of those cases where the girl is in denial about
>her pregnancy and did something drastic when the child was
>born but as they got further into the story it was painfully
>obvious that Audrey knew exactly what was going on.
>She had been pregnant once before
.....I didn't know about the previous pregnancy.
>and so she definitely knew what was going to happen. She also
>told several friends about the pregnancy and said things
>that made it clear she had no intention of being a mother.
Were her parents aware of the first pregnancy, as it
occurred?
>There was a similar case in Ohio recently, the Rebecca Hopfer case, and
she
>was sentenced to a lot more time than Audrey was. I have to wonder if
the
>fact that Audrey was a pretty, popular teenager with wealthy parents
made
>the difference. Although Rebecca Hopfer's family is certainly not poor,
they
>definitely don't have the same resources that Audrey's family obviously
does
>and Rebecca is nowhere near as attractive.
>glas
Most likely, wealth enabled the parents to fund a much
better defense (including calling in experts to say that the
baby was stillborn.)
To put it bluntly: the girl's a murdering slut. Pregnant once?
Stupidity. Pregnant twice and the baby ends up dead?
Criminality.
Kris
glas
|
|>I assume you watched the Dateline program about this case.
|>Wasn't it interesting how her family was able to find so many
|>excuses for her behavior? Motherly love is admirable but willful
|>ignorance is not. The part that really killed me was when her
|>mother talked about how they saw a little Christmas baby outfit
|>while out shopping and Audrey remarked about how her
|>baby would have looked so cute in it, that gave me the creeps.
|
| I saw part of the show, and was amazed by the parents'
| total support of what their daughter did -- including absolution
| for hiding the pregnancy. Since the girl did tell her friends,
| I'm wondering if these were the type of parents who the girl
| felt she could not reveal a pregnancy to - and now feel so
| guilty that they've tipped the scales in the other direction.
I think it's more a matter of the parents simply refusing to admit that
their perfect daughter is anything but. It's natural to stick up for your
children and to want to believe what they tell you but this is a bit
extreme. There was a dead baby in a bag in their basement.
|
|>At the beginning of the program it seemed that perhaps this was
|>another one of those cases where the girl is in denial about
|>her pregnancy and did something drastic when the child was
|>born but as they got further into the story it was painfully
|>obvious that Audrey knew exactly what was going on.
|>She had been pregnant once before
|
| .....I didn't know about the previous pregnancy.
She had been pregnant the previous year, told her parents about it and they
got her an abortion. No doubt she didn't want to face them and tell them
that it had happened again.
|
|>and so she definitely knew what was going to happen. She also
|>told several friends about the pregnancy and said things
|>that made it clear she had no intention of being a mother.
|
| Were her parents aware of the first pregnancy, as it
| occurred?
See above.
glas
Kris Baker
>Kris Baker posted in a.t-c ...
>>I saw part of the show, and was amazed by the parents'
>>total support of what their daughter did -- including absolution
>>for hiding the pregnancy. Since the girl did tell her friends,
>>I'm wondering if these were the type of parents who the girl
>>felt she could not reveal a pregnancy to - and now feel so
>>guilty that they've tipped the scales in the other direction.
>I think it's more a matter of the parents simply refusing to admit that
>their perfect daughter is anything but. It's natural to stick up for
your
>children and to want to believe what they tell you but this is a bit
>extreme. There was a dead baby in a bag in their basement.
>|>At the beginning of the program it seemed that perhaps this was
>|>another one of those cases where the girl is in denial about
>|>her pregnancy and did something drastic when the child was
>|>born but as they got further into the story it was painfully
>|>obvious that Audrey knew exactly what was going on.
>|>She had been pregnant once before
>| .....I didn't know about the previous pregnancy.
>She had been pregnant the previous year, told her parents about it
>and they got her an abortion. No doubt she didn't want to face them
>and tell them that it had happened again.
Then it fits together even more perfectly. It was easy to
dispose of the first unwanted child (hell, the parents helped!)
Second time? No problem.
Kris
Tammy P.
>What Went Wrong?--A simple stillborn case lands a 17 year old cheerleader in a
>maximum security prison for 8 years. See how the media sensationalized this
>case and caused jurors to vote by emotion rather than by fact! Read about all
>the facts and more at
>
><a
Sorry, but I don't see it as a "simple stillborn case".
Aside from the fact that the baby was found dead in a plastic garbage
bag in a cluttered basement room, the pathologist who performed the
autopsy stated that the infant's lungs had been at least partially
inflated...indicating that the child had breathed, probably for
several moments. I can understand the girl being scared, but this is
no standard stillborn case. That child could have survived, and he was
left to die.
Tammy
S. B. Wells
Kris Baker wrote:
> To put it bluntly: the girl's a murdering slut. Pregnant once?
> Stupidity. Pregnant twice and the baby ends up dead?
> Criminality.
>
> Kris
That's a load of crap. It isn't a crime to hide your pregnancy. It isn't
murder. Failure to get a "doctor's care" or medical assistance for yourself
during preganancy isn't criminal either.
Failure to get prenatal care of any kind isn't criminal.
If a woman delivers an infant by herself, that isn't a crime either.
You think of these things as criminal acts, but failing to get help isn't
criminal.
But if "there ought to be a law" there isn't.
This gril was convicted even though there was substantial oubt as to whether
this infant was born alive.
If the baby was born dead she could not have violated any law even if she
wanted to.
S. B. Wells
"Tammy P." wrote: Sorry, but I don't see it as a "simple stillborn case".
> Aside from the fact that the baby was found dead in a plastic garbage
> bag in a cluttered basement room, the pathologist who performed the
> autopsy stated that the infant's lungs had been at least partially
> inflated...indicating that the child had breathed, probably for
> several moments. I can understand the girl being scared, but this is
> no standard stillborn case. That child could have survived, and he was
> left to die.
>
> Tammy
Tammy, the pathologist who testified for the state admitted that the air in the
lungs might not be from breaths.
There was medical testimony from other wtinesses on this point - at best, it is
only POSSIBLE that the infant breathed, and even then there was testimony that the
infant would not have survived even if a partial breath had been taken.
Reasonable doubt as to whether that baby breathed requires aquittal.
Even if she wanted the infant to die.
EGlas35107
each of your points. However, each of your points were not the only factors
involved. She did put the baby in a plastic bag, nor did she summon any help.
As far as I am concerned, that conduct constitutes negligent homicide. She had
been pregnant before, she was quoted by many as saying that there was no way
she was going to have a baby, she concealed her pregnancy and then left her
baby to suffocate in a plastic bag in a basement.
I would expect a little more care and integrity from people than that. (this
is not a criticism of you, only miss thing, Audrey)
She's getting less than what she deserves.
Aviva
Kris Baker
>Kris Baker wrote:
>> To put it bluntly: the girl's a murdering slut. Pregnant once?
>> Stupidity. Pregnant twice and the baby ends up dead?
>> Criminality.
>> Kris
>That's a load of crap. It isn't a crime to hide your pregnancy. It
isn't
>murder. Failure to get a "doctor's care" or medical assistance for
yourself
>during preganancy isn't criminal either.
>Failure to get prenatal care of any kind isn't criminal.
>If a woman delivers an infant by herself, that isn't a crime either.
>You think of these things as criminal acts, but failing to get help
isn't
>criminal. But if "there ought to be a law" there isn't.
>This gril was convicted even though there was substantial oubt as to
>whether this infant was born alive.
>If the baby was born dead she could not have violated any law even
>if she wanted to.
then....why not immediately get medical help????
She didn't want the first baby (abortion.) Her friends confirm
she didn't want this one. It conveniently died.
Kris