Okay, maybe it's just me (Amber Frey)
Wee Bit Strange
out Scott was married. She may be low-income, she may be
less-than-aesthetically-pleasant, she may make bad choices--but that
girl has never seemed dumb (we hard-scrabble girls usually aren't).
I'm going to out myself as a wily stalker. If I started dating a "hot"
(cough, cough... for Fresno!) guy, I'd do my homework. I'd sure as
shit look him up in the phone book (or internet) and try to find his
address. Scott hadn't invited Amber to his place in their month of
bliss. I mean, she's his girlfriend, right? so what gives?
He was there, too. There were two Scott Petersons listed. One by
himself (our boy) and a Scott and Penny (bet life's been fun for him).
Scott's address and phone number were listed. I can't believe that
Amber (knowing Scott owned his own home, a home she must've hoped
she'd get to live in) wouldn't grab her best friend, their kids, pile
into the Volare and go drive by the house to "check it out". I
would've!
Or called his number. To say "one last goodnight" (gag), that she's
thinking of him, or just to hear what his outgoing message is. That
she never suspected and never figured it out is RIDICULOUS.
--Amy
rant off
okerry
news:29db2d75.03111...@posting.google.com...
ITA. On one of the talking heads shows last night -- mighta been Greta --
they were talking about Amber's history.
She was involved at least once before with a married guy who had a pregnant
wife. I can't remember the details (and they were good) but Amber made
their life hell. The couple nearly divorced and Amber charged the husband
with "battery" because apparently he ended up slugging her one. (I've gotta
find that transcript!) Anyway, it sounded like Amber did a great job of
ruining this guy's life, to say nothing of how his wife must have felt.
Amber sounds like the Other Woman From Hell.
They said that Amber will not name the father of her child and that there is
no father's name on the birth certificate. I'll bet money it's because the
father is a married guy who is still trying to hide his little luvchild from
his wife.
Then, of course, there was Scotty P., and poor innocent little Amber just
had *no* idea he was married -- *sniff* he fooled me, I'm a victim too just
like Laci!
okerry>Amber sounds like every wife's perfect nightmare. Hope she's proud
of herself.
Mhw61
>less-than-aesthetically-pleasant,
Am I the only one who thinks Amber is actually kind of attractive?
I mean sure, she's no Uma Thurman but she passes the cracker test.
Max
"And you know what they said? Well some of it was true"
--The Clash
Alan Street
<mh...@aol.com> wrote:
#>She may be low-income, she may be
#>less-than-aesthetically-pleasant,
#
#Am I the only one who thinks Amber is actually kind of attractive?
#
#I mean sure, she's no Uma Thurman but she passes the cracker test.
#Max
#
#
I suppose. Although I would point out that her recent makeover has her
looking similar to Paula Jones after *her* makeover. I'm guessing this
is the standard, "get trailer trash ready for court" look.
tinydancer
"Mhw61" <mh...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >She may be low-income, she may be
> >less-than-aesthetically-pleasant,
>
> Am I the only one who thinks Amber is actually kind of attractive?
>
> I mean sure, she's no Uma Thurman but she passes the cracker test.
> Max
I don't know Max, he face is kind of long for my tastes. ;)
td
Mhw61
My ex-wife always said I had a thing for "horsey" women.
I of course, once followed this to it's logical conclusion (i.e. if I think
horsey women are attractive, and I think she's attractive, then . . .)
She was not amused.
And then I wonder why I'm single.
Max
tinydancer
> >I don't know Max, he face is kind of long for my tastes. ;)
>
> My ex-wife always said I had a thing for "horsey" women.
>
> I of course, once followed this to it's logical conclusion (i.e. if I
think
> horsey women are attractive, and I think she's attractive, then . . .)
>
> She was not amused.
You should have issued a 'spew alert' Max! Damned coffee all over my
keyboard. ;-))
>
> And then I wonder why I'm single.
Ah, so that explains it! <g> horsey women, that's hysterical.
td
Alan Street
<tinyd...@nospam.com> wrote:
#"Mhw61" <mh...@aol.com> wrote in message
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#> And then I wonder why I'm single.
#
#
#Ah, so that explains it! <g> horsey women, that's hysterical.
It may also explain why Max finds Amber attractive. Long periods of
abstinence have been known to affect judgement the same way as "beer
goggles" :-)
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
"okerry" <oke...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Kind of a radical change in approach, wouldn't you say? You'd think she'd
be trumpeting it at every opportunity, even naming it after the wife or some
bizarro thing. The first time she was hardly shy about it. Why would she engage
in a conspiracy of silence with the second?
Weird to see that the NE was essentially correct about the Harts.
> Then, of course, there was Scotty P., and poor innocent little Amber just
> had *no* idea he was married -- *sniff* he fooled me, I'm a victim too just
> like Laci!
>
> okerry>Amber sounds like every wife's perfect nightmare. Hope she's proud
> of herself.
I doubt it. I'm pretty sick of this "Amber is a victim" bullshit myself. She's
still
*alive*. But whatever. I don't expect moderation from someone like Allred.
Like a lot of other people, I really can't believe, given Amber's history, that
she didn't
find out Scott was married. From the testimony that Patty posted, it's clear Scott
was lying not only about his marital state, but also about where he lived. Once
Amber
knew where he lived, it was a short hop to finding his home #. Scott got that
mailbox
on Dec 23. He would have had to use a Modesto address.
RstJ
Maggie
***You're right--of course Amber knew. I think Laci did too.
Maggie < really, really liking that "Volare" thing
tinydancer
"Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)" <robert...@yahoo.com> wrote
in message news:WV8tb.150443$9E1.755933@attbi_s52...
>
snipped>
> I doubt it. I'm pretty sick of this "Amber is a victim" bullshit myself.
She's
> still
> *alive*. But whatever. I don't expect moderation from someone like Allred.
>
> Like a lot of other people, I really can't believe, given Amber's history,
that
> she didn't
> find out Scott was married. From the testimony that Patty posted, it's
clear Scott
> was lying not only about his marital state, but also about where he lived.
Once
> Amber
> knew where he lived, it was a short hop to finding his home #. Scott got
that
> mailbox
> on Dec 23. He would have had to use a Modesto address.
I'm not sure how soon amber might have found out scotty was married, though.
If you think about it, scott asked that mutual friend to introduce him to
some available women. The mutual friend was of the impression scotty was
'unmarried', so I'm guessing that's how she would've introduced him to
amber, as she said 'unmarried'. The mutual friend certainly appeared to
believe it, cause when she did hear something, she confronted scott with it
on December 6th, at which time scott begged her not to tell amber, told her
'his wife was missing' story, and pleaded that she allow him to be the one
to tell amber himself. So by all these facts, I'd suspect amber assumed
scott to be unmarried at least up until that point.
It would be my guess, and that's all it is, is a guess, that scott told
amber he was from San Diego, perhaps even having some form of ID that was
still from San Diego, where his parents live?
I'm not saying amber didn't find out at some point in time, but my guess
would be it wasn't prior to December 9th at the earliest.
td
>
>
> RstJ
>
>
>
IBegg2Differ
>Am I the only one who thinks Amber is actually kind of attractive?
>
>I mean sure, she's no Uma Thurman but she passes the cracker test.
>Max
FWIW (which isn't much), I agree with you. She's not beautiful, and she's not
particularly classy, but she's certainly not ugly or truly unattractive. IMO,
she's just average looking. If I saw her in the grocery store and I didn't
know anything at all about her, I certainly wouldn't think to myself, "Sheesh,
what a dawg!", nor would I necessarily perceive her as trashy. In all reality,
I wouldn't perceive her as anything at all, as I wouldn't even notice her.
Average.
I don't find her likeable nor do I sympathize with her very much, but I do know
that *I* wouldn't want to be the one subjected to the whole world's criticism
of the outfit, hair, or makeup I selected for any given public appearance. I
am not used to such appearances, nor was Amber when this whole thing started
(she probably still isn't). I think too many people criticize her appearance
based on their (possibly unconscious) comparison of her to other people they
see on TV, most of whom are public figures or celebrities. That's not really
fair.
I'm not fond of Amber, but IMO her appearance isn't that of the horse-faced,
skanky, trailer-park troll everyone seems to describe.
Cliff and Linda Griffith
> >She may be low-income, she may be
> >less-than-aesthetically-pleasant,
>
> Am I the only one who thinks Amber is actually kind of attractive?
>
> I mean sure, she's no Uma Thurman but she passes the cracker test.
> Max
I thought she looked awful at that first press conference, but maybe LE just
woke her up from a deep sleep and pushed her in front of the cameras. She
"cleaned up purdy good" for the second appearance and for the Christmas
parties; but at her best, she ranks way below Laci IMO. But then, I'm not
crazy about Uma Thurman's looks: I told my dil that Uma's eyes are so far
apart that she looks like a chicken, getting ready to say,
"Squuawkk!"[chicken noise] Dil says she can no longer see Uma Thurman
without thinking, "Squuawkk!"
Linda
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
"tinydancer" <tinyd...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Well, whatever it was, Amber appears to have been able to accept it as
Patty posted testimony to the effect that Scott and Amber went to Shawn's
fiance's birthday part on Dec 11. And of course we have the famous picture
party on Dec 14. So, whatever Amber knew or didn't know, it wasn't enough
of a deal-breaker to kill the relationship.
After Dec 14 things get hazy. And it looks like the prelim ain't going to de-haze
things.
RstJ
JillsŽ
Strange) wrote:
Great "rant", Amy! I do believe that you have hit the BULLSEYE here!
Jills
Alison MacIntyre
I'll tell you what... after what I witnessed in a similar situation,
I'd be a son-of-a-bitch if I'd ever put down the father's name either.
It just throws the door wide open for for ALL flavors of
political/religious terrorism if (God forbid) you ever find yourself
in dire need of medical/public assistance... SERIOUSLY!!!
> Then, of course, there was Scotty P., and poor innocent little Amber just
> had *no* idea he was married -- *sniff* he fooled me, I'm a victim too just
> like Laci!
>
If Scott's family didn't know he was leading a double life, what makes
you think Amber would? If Laci hadn't disappeared, Scott could have
carried on with his little charade indefinitely and had the best of
both worlds... which is just another reason why I think he may have
been framed.
limegreen
How do you feel about Sarah Jessica Parker, the 'Sex and the City' babe?
tinydancer
"ronniecat" <ronn...@mycollar.ronniecat.com> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> "tinydancer" <tinyd...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:wd9tb.9620$oo....@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>
> > 'unmarried', so I'm guessing that's how she would've introduced him to
> > amber, as she said 'unmarried'. The mutual friend certainly appeared to
> > believe it, cause when she did hear something, she confronted scott with
> it
> > on December 6th, at which time scott begged her not to tell amber, told
> her
> > 'his wife was missing' story, and pleaded that she allow him to be the
one
> > to tell amber himself.
>
> "lost his wife" I assumed he told her he'd "lost her" to death - that
she'd
> died sometime in the past and he was a widower. Are you saying that he
told
> Amber his wife was *missing* on December 6, a full 18 days before she went
> missing? Or was this a slip of the fingers?
>
> If the former it sounds even more damning than saying he was a widower.
>
> ronnie
He told the friend on December 6 that 'he'd lost his wife', and begged her
not to tell Amber. Said 'he wanted to be the one to tell Amber that 'he'd
lost his wife'. On December 8th, he went to look at the boat, on December
9th, he went back with the cash to purchase said boat, and on December 9th,
he also told Amber he had been married but 'he'd lost his wife'.
td
>
>
Wee Bit Strange
> crazy about Uma Thurman's looks: I told my dil that Uma's eyes are so far
> apart that she looks like a chicken, getting ready to say,
> "Squuawkk!"[chicken noise] Dil says she can no longer see Uma Thurman
> without thinking, "Squuawkk!"
My pet name for Uma Thurman is "Gorak, the Fish Woman". It frightens
me that, with eyes on the sides of her head, she's been given a
license to drive... and how does she find sunglasses?
Ahhh, truly a mystery for the ages.
--Amy
Mjkenoyer
Y'know, here I have to play Devil's Advocate for a moment and give
Amber the benefit of the doubt. I'm a little annoyed by the whole
Amber-is-a-victim notion Gloria Allred puts out there as well, but I
do think it's possible that Amber (like Laci, Laci's family, and hell,
even Scott's own family) might have gotten the wool pulled over her
eyes. I've read several accounts of Scott being described as a
"player" and "smooth talker" who knew just the right things to say in
attracting women, so who knows, Amber could've fallen for Scott's
little schtick (and forgive the obvious pun) hook, line, and sinker.
It might be true that Amber has no conniptions when it comes to dating
married men, which is usually (if I can indulge in a healthy dose of
psychobabble bullshit) a sign of low self-esteem and self-worth on the
part of the "other" woman. Why get into this constant mode of seeking
the second-best status (IOW a married man's afterthought or wet dream,
which is generally what an "other woman" would amount to in said cad's
realm)? With her strip-club exes and nude modelling with braces on,
Amber dangerously seems to fall into the Dr. Drew and Adam category of
callers to radio psychotherapy shows.
This being said, Amber might have immersed herself in a world of
denial the closer she got to knowing the truth about Scottie. So she
had a PI check him out; she might have even confronted Scott on the
spot re: whether he was married or not, only to get the "I lost my
wife last Christmas" tale of his. Maybe she bought it. I don't think
she's dumb either, but maybe she didn't _want_ to believe that the guy
whom she idealized (and obsessed over?) as being "the find", whose
picture she enclosed in Christmas cards after only a month of dating,
could have been a creep like all the other dolts she'd experienced in
earlier years (or months).
I have known other women like this in my younger years--women who get
shit on my total scumbags, and who still insist that there's nothing
wrong with them, and that they love them so much, that somehow love
(or their definition of it, anyway) will save not only their crappy
excuses for men, but also themselves, from a horrible and monotonous
existence. Maybe Amber knew in her heart that Scott was a creep and a
lying cheater, but didn't let this subconscious reality surface until
she had to be confronted with it head-on (Scott's being in the news
due to his wife's recent "kidnapping".) Yeah, I could see that
happening to Amber, even from what little I know of her.
I really hope, for Amber's sake, that she stops this destructive
behavior before she allows it to influence her young daughter's life
and her daughter's own future perception of relationships. Maybe the
situation she's in now has been a huge-ass wake-up call to her to get
her shit together and start taking better care of herself, her
daughter, her relationships with men, and her life in general...
m
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
"Mjkenoyer" <mandjk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> <...>
>
> Y'know, here I have to play Devil's Advocate for a moment and give
> Amber the benefit of the doubt. I'm a little annoyed by the whole
> Amber-is-a-victim notion Gloria Allred puts out there as well, but I
> do think it's possible that Amber (like Laci, Laci's family, and hell,
> even Scott's own family) might have gotten the wool pulled over her
> eyes. I've read several accounts of Scott being described as a
> "player" and "smooth talker" who knew just the right things to say in
> attracting women, so who knows, Amber could've fallen for Scott's
> little schtick (and forgive the obvious pun) hook, line, and sinker.
Amber's just not that stupid. And practically every other lie Scott's told
has blown up in his face. Why should this one have been any different?
Scott's a lousy liar.
At first I didn't really credit the NE story, now, I'm pretty sure some of it is
true. McAllister wasn't just guessing about the Dec 16 taping. I think he had a
good reason to suspect Amber was trying to do the same thing she'd done
to the Harts...
From the NE story (and a Fresno Bee story):
Michelle Hart met with Frey, and the two women talked. Michelle Hart made
negative comments about her husband, and Frey reportedly agreed. Michelle Hart
told The Fresno Bee that Frey secretly tape-recorded their conversation and
then played the tape for Joshua Hart, which he confirmed.
I'm really beginning to believe Amber was running game on Scott, and
it had disastrous consequences.
RstJ
Alan Street
<robert...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#"Mjkenoyer" <mandjk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
#news:676b15de.03111...@posting.google.com...
#
#From the NE story (and a Fresno Bee story):
#
#Michelle Hart met with Frey, and the two women talked. Michelle Hart made
#negative comments about her husband, and Frey reportedly agreed. Michelle Hart
#told The Fresno Bee that Frey secretly tape-recorded their conversation and
#then played the tape for Joshua Hart, which he confirmed.
#
#
#
#I'm really beginning to believe Amber was running game on Scott, and
#it had disastrous consequences.
#
#
It would appear. I also still have a suspicion that both Scott and
Amber were involved with selling anhydrous ammonia to meth producers,
that they were both under investigation prior to Laci's death, and that
LE (used generically here) used the threat of prosecution against Amber
to coerce her to try and get something on Scott.
Alan
Patty
:
: "Mjkenoyer" <mandjk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Since Brocchini denied knowing anything about a Dec. 16 taping, maybe
the only way to get to it is the source, and that's one reason Geragos wants
to call Amber as a witness. According to Amber's phone records Scott and
she talked three times on Dec. 16.
Mon 12/16/2002 Amber and Scott talk at least three times by phone. (Amber's phone
records)
Tues 12/17/2002 Amber and Scott talk at least twice by phone. (Amber phone records)
Wed 12/18/2002 Amber and Scott talk at least once by phone. (Amber's phone records)
Thurs 12/19/2002 Amber and Scott talk at least five times by phone. (Amber's phone
records)
Fri 12/20/2002 Amber and Scott talk at least twice by phone. (Amber phone records)
Sat 12/21/2002 Amber and Scott talk at least twice by phone. (Amber phone records)
Sun 12/22/2002 Amber and Scott talk at least twice by phone. (Amber phone records)
Mon 12/23/2002 Amber and Scott talk at least once by phone. (Amber's phone records)
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
> : I'm really beginning to believe Amber was running game on Scott, and
> : it had disastrous consequences.
> :
> : RstJ
>
> Since Brocchini denied knowing anything about a Dec. 16 taping, maybe
> the only way to get to it is the source, and that's one reason Geragos wants
> to call Amber as a witness. According to Amber's phone records Scott and
> she talked three times on Dec. 16.
I was reading (and now I can't find where) that the defense doesn't want
to subpoena Amber so much as certain documents, possibly tapes.
Ah, there it is:
http://www.modbee.com/reports/peterson/updates/story/7736438p-8638229c.html
Maybe Amber's "PI friend" was on the job a little sooner than we've
been lead to believe. Since a PI is going to take about 5mins to find
out Scott's married and where he lives, plus his home phone, maybe
the defense wants to show that Amber was perfectly aware of Scott's
marital status, and kept on seeing him anyway. Therefore, Scott had
nothing to hide. Except the body (ok, cheap shot).
Anyway, constant contact. Probably means something. Don't know what.
RstJ
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
"Alan Street" <alan@nonono_irsi.com> wrote in message
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Oh, I'm sure they leaned on her a bit. But until the meth lab angle
has some collateral, it's just a theory. More likely they appealed to
her sense of civic duty.
RstJ
Alan Street
<robert...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#"Alan Street" <alan@nonono_irsi.com> wrote in message
#news:141120032028397678%alan@nonono_irsi.com...
#> #
#> #
#> #
#> #I'm really beginning to believe Amber was running game on Scott, and
#> #it had disastrous consequences.
#> #
#> #
#>
#> It would appear. I also still have a suspicion that both Scott and
#> Amber were involved with selling anhydrous ammonia to meth producers,
#> that they were both under investigation prior to Laci's death, and that
#> LE (used generically here) used the threat of prosecution against Amber
#> to coerce her to try and get something on Scott.
#>
#> Alan
#
#Oh, I'm sure they leaned on her a bit. But until the meth lab angle
#has some collateral, it's just a theory.
Absolutely. It's a theory that makes sense, but at this point it's
nothing but a theory.
peter dostal
Alan Street wrote:
I totally agree to both of the above posts. It makes lotta sense to me.
peter dostal
Alan Street wrote:
Remembering that the DEA made a connection (by sending it as a pack to
the MPD) between the tapes of a meth lab and the Covena Ave tapes, I
want to present another theory:
What if all those phonecalls and stories about not being available until
Jan 25 were not so much about love, but about delivery of chemicals? In
the end holidays like New Years Eve are high season for selling
meth...... The whole affair might just have been a side effect to a
business connection.
peter dostal
>
>
> Alan wrote:
>
>>
>> #> #I'm really beginning to believe Amber was running game on Scott, and
>> #> #it had disastrous consequences.
>> #> #
>> #> #
>> #>
>> #> It would appear. I also still have a suspicion that both Scott and
>> #> Amber were involved with selling anhydrous ammonia to meth producers,
>> #> that they were both under investigation prior to Laci's death, and
>> that
>> #> LE (used generically here) used the threat of prosecution against
>> Amber
>> #> to coerce her to try and get something on Scott.
>> #>
>> #> Alan
>> #
>
>>
>> #Oh, I'm sure they leaned on her a bit. But until the meth lab angle
>> #has some collateral, it's just a theory.
>
Alan wrote:
>>
>> Absolutely. It's a theory that makes sense, but at this point it's
>> nothing but a theory.
>
I wrote:
> Remembering that the DEA made a connection (by sending it as a pack to
> the MPD) between the tapes of a meth lab and the Covena Ave tapes, I
> want to present another theory:
> What if all those phonecalls and stories about not being available
> until Jan 25 were not so much about love, but about delivery of
> chemicals? In the end holidays like New Years Eve are high season for
> selling meth...... The whole affair might just have been a side effect
> to a business connection.
The more I think about it, the more sense it makes. Maybe it was
delivery day on Dec 24, and the delivery meeting was at the warehouse of
Scott. All sightings of suspicious persons talking to a pregnant woman
with a Golden Retriever on the leash at the park that morning also make
perfect sense then. Maybe the talk of the Nazi Low Riders to Scott
(about kidnapping) were some threats to Scott if he won't deliver?
Just spinning.... However, if I were a member of the MPD I'd follow
those spins.
Patty
"peter dostal" <peter....@chello.at> wrote in message
news:3FB5EC1E...@chello.at...
:
: >
: >
All the sightings of the pregnant woman with a dog were after 10:18 which
is the time the neighbor Karen Servas put the dog back in the yard. Plus
they were of a woman in black pants and white top while Laci was found
with tan pants.
:
peter dostal
Patty wrote:
Karen Servas testified that she did not take a further look at the
Peterson home, and does not know if Laci was at home at that time or
not; nobody knows for sure when exactly Laci disappeared. She might have
walked the dog, then returned home to change clothes etc etc
Why was Laci's cell phone in her car? Was she off to leave by car when
she disappeared? Did anybody ever question why there was no X-mas
present by Laci for Scott found in the house? Was she going to pick up
the present on the 24th?
So it really is the leash that's the hook. BUT: Everybody here already
said that the leash was part of "the scheme"; I only question the author
of that scheme.
>
Patty
:
:
So you're saying with the story as it is, Scott would have been better off
saying he found the dog in the backyard without the leash around his
neck. With the muddy leash still on, its unlikely that Laci would have
taken the dog for a walk after 10:17.
As far as presents, that's never bothered me. Lots of people today
don't buy presents or buy just one gift or pick names in the family
and only exchange with one relative. Or people hide the presents
until Christmas Day because if burglars were to eyeball a tree laden
with gifts, they'll break into the house. After all its been said she kept
the blinds open during the day. And never heard where the normal
resting place was for her cell phone.
peter dostal
Patty wrote:
>
>So you're saying with the story as it is, Scott would have been better off
>saying he found the dog in the backyard without the leash around his
>neck. With the muddy leash still on, its unlikely that Laci would have
>taken the dog for a walk after 10:17.
>
*****
No, I only say that the leash is what makes people think that Laci was
gone by 10:18 a.m., the time Servas testified to as the time she put the
dog in the yard and closed the gate.
Laci might have just been preparing for walking the dog, and there
wasn't too much mud on the leash according to Servas, so maybe the mud
she mentioned was from a previous walk or from the yard, since Servas
did not say the mud was still wet.
I also say that the detectives might have been more open minded without
Servas telling about the muddy leash.
Scott surely would be better off with Laci and Conner alive.
*****
>
>
>As far as presents, that's never bothered me. Lots of people today
>don't buy presents or buy just one gift or pick names in the family
>and only exchange with one relative. Or people hide the presents
>until Christmas Day because if burglars were to eyeball a tree laden
>with gifts, they'll break into the house. After all its been said she kept
>the blinds open during the day. And never heard where the normal
>resting place was for her cell phone.
>
*****
Hey - didn't lots of voices raise hell here because Scott only had a
wallet for Laci; but it would be okay if Laci had no present for him? I
never heard that the search at the house produced any gift from Laci to
Scott.
And about the resting place for cell phones - how about charging the
battery from time to time at home? How about giving Scott the chance to
reach her from whereever he went?
And for the burglars - when I lived in Southern California I was told
never leave anything of value in the car, not even in the trunk. So the
car would really be a bad choice as resting place for cell phones.
*****
>
Sarah Monroe
>>less-than-aesthetically-pleasant,
>
>
>I mean sure, she's no Uma Thurman but she passes the cracker test.
>
>"And you know what they said? Well some of it was true"
> --The Clash
>
>
>
>
>
>
I posted this article on another thread but looks like it needs to go here too.
Amber is not low income, she is a Licensed Physical Therapist. Do you have
any idea what those people make? I know 2 of them, definitely no low income.
Amber is also a high school graduate and has had some college, so she is not
some dumb broad that certain people try to make her out to be.
Scott is the alleged killer, why all the attacks on Amber? He's the scumbag,
why blame the woman?
Renown unavoidable for Amber Frey
Her silence leads friends, relatives to fill in blanks about Fresnan.
By Doug Hoagland
The Fresno Bee
(Published Monday, August 4, 2003, 5:19 AM)
Six months ago, on a cold Friday night in January, a disheveled Amber Frey
stepped before a phalanx of reporters to make a plea that today sounds rather
absurd.
"I would appreciate my friends and acquaintances to refrain from talking about
me to the media for profit or recognition," the Fresno woman said at a news
conference where she announced she had been Scott Peterson's mystery
girlfriend.
Despite her plea for privacy, Frey's father would soon be dallying with
reporters and making himself available for interviews. A girlfriend would sell
People magazine photos of Frey and Peterson together. And an angry woman who
didn't buy Frey as a victim would tell The National Enquirer that Frey had an
affair with her husband while the woman was pregnant.
Today, Frey's voice remains a distant echo from January's news conference. She
has stayed mostly silent since then, providing few clues or comments about
herself, even as the tabloids have poked into her private life and one
published nude and semi-nude photos she posed for as an aspiring model.
Frey declined to be interviewed for this story. She shook her head and
delivered a firm "No" during an encounter two weeks ago at an office near
Bulldog Stadium. She works there as a certified massage therapist.
Friends and former friends have chosen to fill in the details of her life. The
Amber Frey of their stories is a complex woman.
One of her confidantes today is a 77-year-old pillar of her church whose
husband and son are pastors in a conservative, evangelical denomination. The
same Amber Frey once lived with a boyfriend who worked as a stripper.
Despite her reticence, Frey may be drawn back into the spotlight of the
Peterson case before summer's end.
A Stanislaus County Superior Court judge has scheduled a preliminary hearing
for Sept. 9 to determine whether there is enough evidence to put Scott Peterson
on trial on charges of murdering Laci Peterson and their unborn son, Conner.
The charges could land him on death row.
Peterson has pleaded innocent.
Frey may be the prosecution's star witness at the preliminary hearing.
"She is the most valuable person in terms of the prosecution's case, as far as
we know," says Maureen Orth, a Washington, D.C., writer who dissected media
coverage of the Peterson case in a summer edition of Vanity Fair magazine. "She
gives motive, and in this bizarre media circus in which these people become
commodities, she is one of the most important commodities."
If that is a difficult position for the 28-year-old Frey, she does not say so
publicly. She is barred from speaking about the case by a judge's gag order on
witnesses, lawyers and police officers.
But even if she does not speak, she does go out -- to a Journey, REO Speedwagon
and Styx concert at Selland Arena, to a family birthday party at Chuck E.
Cheese's party restaurant -- and her face often catches people's eyes. Some
recognize her immediately. Others wonder aloud: "Where do I know you from?"
Frey's reply suggests she has not lost her sense of humor. "Oh, it will
probably come to you," she says.
The official line on Frey comes from her Los Angeles attorney, Gloria Allred,
who represented the family of Nicole Brown Simpson in the criminal trial
against O.J. Simpson and won a settlement for a photographer who was assaulted
by rocker Tommy Lee.
Allred describes Frey as a person of strong faith and family values. She adds:
"People ask, 'Does Amber think Scott did it?' She has indicated she believes
the decision is for the jury and that the final judgment will be made by God."
Frey attends Fresno's Northpark Community Church with her 2-year-old daughter,
and has since last September or October. "From my estimation, she is a
delightful young woman who really has a deep desire to know God and do what's
right," says the church pastor, the Rev. Bob Willis.
Dean Hoffinger, a Fresno events promoter who met Frey in the mid-1990s, says:
"Let's not make her into this girl who wanted to be an angel. She would do --
we did crazy things. Everyone has different sides."
Allred says Frey would make no comment on Hoffinger's statement.
Amber Dawn Frey was born Feb. 10, 1975, in Los Angeles.
Her parents, Ron and Brenda, divorced when she was 5. Her older sister, Ava,
was 8. The family was living in the Fresno area at the time. Amber Frey also
has an older half-brother, Jason Frey, a 32-year-old San Bernardino County
deputy sheriff now serving as a captain with the U.S. Army Reserve in Baghdad.
Court records indicate that Amber Frey lived with each parent as she was
growing up. When she was 13, and her parents were fighting about custody, Frey
wrote a judge that she wanted to be with her mother. In a hand-written letter
bearing the fat, rounded script of a little girl, she added: "I sill [sic] want
to see my dad and I don't want him to think I don't love him because I do."
She ended the letter: "Yours truely [sic]" and then signed her full name.
Amber spent at least part of her elementary school years in Coarsegold. She
spent her freshman and sophomore years at Sierra High School in eastern Fresno
County and her junior year at Fresno's Hoover High School. She graduated from
Clovis High School in 1993.
Ron Frey, a gregarious general contractor, said he was out of town a lot when
Amber lived with him during her high school years. He had a friend -- a woman
body builder -- stay with his daughter while he was away. That's when Amber
developed an interest in body building, he says, and she has kept her interest
in staying in shape.
"She's tough as nails," Ron Frey says.
He had Amber handling bricks and a wheelbarrow on his job sites as a girl. Now
he tries to defend her by giving interviews to the media even though she would
prefer he be quiet and not attract attention. "I'm the dad. What is she going
to say?" he says.
Frey collects reporters' and producers' phone numbers in spiral notebooks.
Sometimes, they call him. Sometimes, he calls them, as he did in June when he
wrote a letter-to-the-editor praising his son and daughter and wanted some TV
coverage. Appearances followed on MSNBC, CBS and ABC.
"I have a mission," Ron Frey says. "My mission is to get Amber through this
without a scrambled mind."
He also confides: "I'm close enough people will believe anything I say one way
or the other."
Brenda McGehee, Frey's ex-wife, shuns the media attention.
A man answers the door at her middle-class house in northwest Fresno. "She's
trying to protect her daughter," he says.
"She's one of the few people in the family who hasn't been exposed to this,"
the man continues, rubbing his eyes in the June sunlight and politely ending
the conversation: "I appreciate you coming by."
Key people in Amber Frey's life have had to decide what, if anything, to tell
an obsessed media with an appetite for anyone connected to the Laci Peterson
murder case.
Joshua Hart, a former boyfriend, says he has no hard feelings even though court
records indicate a troubled end to their relationship.
A blunt-spoken man who once showed off his buff physique as a stripper, Hart
met Frey in 1998 at George Brown's fitness club. Hart and Frey eventually moved
in together. He was married at the time and his wife, Michelle, says she was
six or seven months pregnant.
Michelle Hart told her story to The National Enquirer, and the tabloid ran its
article under the headline: "His mistress stole ANOTHER mom-to-be's hubby!"
Michelle Hart met with Frey, and the two women talked. Michelle Hart made
negative comments about her husband, and Frey reportedly agreed.
Michelle Hart told The Bee that Frey secretly tape recorded their conversation
and then played the tape for Joshua Hart, which he confirms.
"It was part of her plot to keep him," Michelle Hart says. "Josh told me [about
the tape] on the phone, and he replayed it."
The Harts had other problems. In a letter in court files, he wrote to her:
"I've tried my best, but I'm not what you need. I'm going to Vegas to strip
(pray for me)."
Hart, 28, says he ended up not working in Las Vegas.
According to a police report, Joshua Hart and Amber Frey dated for six months
and lived together for four months. A police report exists because their
relationship ended badly.
Frey was the complaining party when misdemeanor charges, including battery,
were brought against Hart in March 1999.
In an October 1998 police report, she charged that Hart grabbed her by the
face. When police investigated four days after the alleged incident, an officer
could not see any marks on Frey's face. She said she waited four days to call
authorities because she felt "Hart was going to get in her way" if she tried to
report the incident earlier, according to police.
Hart told police that Frey got upset and slapped him because he was going out
with friends. He said he never assaulted her.
Hart pleaded no contest to a battery charge and attended the Marjaree Mason
Center Batterers Treatment Program for one year. No contest is viewed the same
as a guilty plea for sentencing purposes. Hart says he did so to avoid the risk
of going to trial, being found guilty by a jury filled with battered women and
getting a prison sentence.
Hart says Frey leveled the "hideous" charges against him because he chose to
return to his wife and newborn son. The Harts reconciled for a few months and
then split up for good, divorcing in January 2000.
While the criminal allegations caused tremendous stress, Joshua Hart chose to
forgive Frey.
They had their good times. Camping trips. Trips to the beach. Time in Mexico.
Sundays at Millerton Lake and nights out dancing. Hart is philosophical about
the relationship: "I take it as a life experience and write it off to that."
Hart works today in the motorsports industry in Southern California. He quit
stripping, or dancing as he calls it, and makes one final observation about
Frey: "There's something about women who would find a male dancer attractive as
a committed, monogamous partner. There's something that isn't right there, but
there's something about a male dancer that isn't right, too."
Attorney Allred responds: "He told her he was a man of God but that he was a
performer. She believed him."
Did he specify what kind of performer? "We don't have further comment," Allred
says.
Dean Hoffinger says he and Frey dated for three months in 1999 after being
friends for several years. Through her father, Amber Frey says Hoffinger wasn't
a boyfriend. Hoffinger disputes this, and three of his friends say they did
date.
Hoffinger has only good things to say about Amber. Romance ruined their
friendship, Hoffinger says, though they are now speaking again.
A 38-year-old events promoter who bleaches his hair a white blond and is fond
of puka shell necklaces and Hawaiian prints, Hoffinger puts on events where he
says Fresno's young professionals can meet and socialize.
His words paint Frey as an adventuresome woman who rode his personal water
craft at Millerton Lake -- sometimes sitting backwards behind him, sometimes
sitting on his handlebars. He says she has eclectic tastes and interests. She
fancied mellow reggae music but also the pulsing dance house sound. She
sketched landscapes in pencil and decorated a small, upstairs apartment in the
Tower District with her drawings. She shopped at thrift stores and favored hats
and sunglasses that set her apart.
"People didn't understand her," Hoffinger says. "She was different, but
different in a good way. She was more cultured. It was like she didn't belong
in this town. She was more an earthy, hippie type."
Someone, Hoffinger says, who enjoyed "profound movies" such as "The Sixth
Sense," a film about a little boy who sees dead people.
In what he calls conventional, staid Fresno, she liked ethnic restaurants and
had no problem popping into a Fresno nightclub that was popular among gays. In
quieter moments, she could cry easily over hurt feelings.
Hoffinger tenderly remembers Frey picking up a children's storybook and reading
him to sleep with a calm, soothing voice. She also read him letters from old
boyfriends: "It didn't bother me," he says.
Others didn't always feel that way. Some found her too quiet, not realizing
that she was self-conscious about the braces she wore in her early 20s. Others
judged the way she dressed, Hoffinger says: "She didn't fit the pattern of
Fresno. People never understood her, and she just felt alone."
After their relationship ended, Frey became involved with another man who
fathered her now 2-year-old daughter. His name is not listed on the child's
birth certificate. Frey has never been married.
She possesses an ambition that has taken her from one job to another.
She worked at Crescent Jewelers on West Shaw Avenue.
She took care of other people's children at The Learning Tree, a child care
center in northeast Fresno. Frey worked there after studying child development
and graduating from Fresno City College in 1997.
"She was a great teacher. She interacted well with the students," says a
Learning Tree staff member who asked not to be named.
Then Frey turned to massage as a profession. She completed 540 hours of
training at Golden State College, a vocational school with campuses in Fresno
and other Valley cities. She passed a standard criminal background check done
by the Fresno Police Department on massage therapists in the city. She rented
space at American Bodyworks, a therapeutic massage office where many of the
customers are athletes or people suffering from injuries.
Damien Berg, who owns American Bodyworks, crossed paths with Frey at massage
school. Berg calls her a good person but can say little else because he signed
a confidentiality pact, agreeing not to talk about her.
Berg says the agreement protects both him and Frey, and that he did not receive
any money to sign the document.
"It made her more comfortable working here," he adds. "I'm not going to spread
lies and rumors or anything I don't know anything about."
The confidentiality agreement keeps him from saying whether Frey ever talked at
work about Scott Peterson. She reportedly was introduced to Peterson last
November at World Sports Cafe in northeast Fresno.
A month later, on Dec. 14, they returned to the sports cafe for a Christmas
formal put on by ex-boyfriend Hoffinger and his Belaza Productions.
Frey wore a strapless, straight-cut, red evening gown, while Peterson chose a
dark suit, a white shirt and a shiny gray tie. They appear to be a couple in a
photo taken that night in front of a friend's Christmas tree. His arms are
wrapped around her waist; her left hand resting on his forearm, the other hand
clasped in his.
Frey enclosed a photo of them together in her 2002 Christmas cards, and her
father still has one in his wallet.
Ron Frey says his daughter was quickly smitten and saw a future with Peterson:
"This was the real deal in her mind." Peterson had the package. Athletic. Good
looks. Dressed up nicely and liked to go clubbing. "He appeared to have the
right stuff."
Amber Frey has said Peterson told her he was single. He wasn't. He was living
in a green house on Covena Avenue in Modesto where his wife had decorated a
nursery. Laci Peterson was eight months pregnant.
Scott Peterson told Frey he wouldn't be around for the holidays because he was
going to Paris. Authorities believe he killed his wife in their home on Dec. 23
or 24.
In late December, Frey began having questions about Peterson and she asked a
private detective she knew to make some checks. The detective identified
Peterson from news coverage of Laci Peterson's disappearance, which was
reported on Dec. 24.
Frey contacted Modesto police on Dec. 30 and police did not immediately
disclose her identity to an inquisitive media.
Speculation soon began, however, about Peterson having a girlfriend who lived
in the Fresno area.
On Jan. 24, Fresno television reporter Sontaya Rose, then working for
KGPE-Channel 47, learned Frey's identity and hustled over to American Bodyworks
with a camera crew.
Frey hid out there all day, refusing to go on camera for an interview.
Modesto police whisked her away late in the afternoon. They took her to the
Modesto Police Department where she had little time to freshen up before facing
dozens of reporters and television cameras.
As a result, she appeared with "messy, dirty-blond hair," according to a
description in Vanity Fair magazine.
When Frey appeared before cameras in May to announce she had hired
celebrity-attorney Allred, she sported light blond hair cascading to her
shoulders and noticeable eye makeup. Cable television pundits suggested her new
look might compromise her credibility as a witness in the Peterson case.
Ron Frey maintains his daughter had no makeover, and says of the two images:
"It wasn't that she was more blond [the second time]. It's that she was more
brown the first time."
Photos of Frey have become an issue all their own.
The National Enquirer published nude and semi-nude photos of Frey taken in the
1990s when she was considering a modeling career.
Allred says the photos did not appear with Frey's permission.
Did the photographer supply them?
"You'd have to ask the photographer," Allred says.
The Bee was unable to locate the photographer.
People magazine published two photos of Frey and Peterson taken on the night of
the Christmas formal. Sherina Vincent, a girlfriend of Frey, sold the photos
and two more to People for $15,000. But in court documents, Vincent claimed she
was paid only $5,000 and that People said it would not pay the other $10,000.
She sued the magazine, charging it agreed to, but failed to remove from one of
the photos a small photograph of her that is hanging on a wall in the
background. Court documents include a copy of a letter signed by Vincent and
People's photo editor that specifies removal of background photographs of the
photographer.
Vincent and the magazine settled the lawsuit in July, according to her
attorney, Michele Engnath of Fresno. It's not known how much money, if any,
Vincent got from the lawsuit, as the terms of the settlement are confidential,
Engnath says.
Vincent declined to comment for this article. She and Frey no longer are
friends, Ron Frey says.
As that friendship was ending, Frey was forging an unlikely bond with Betty
Willis, 77, the mother of the pastor at Northpark Community Church, an
Assemblies of God congregation. Willis' husband is a retired Assemblies'
pastor.
The two women could not be more different. Frey, fodder for the tabloids, and
Willis, the septuagenarian who did not marry until 30 because she was waiting
for "the right man to come along." She adds with a knowing chuckle: "And we
lived happily ever after."
She went to Frey at church and offered to be her friend.
After nearly 50 years of observing the human condition in congregations in
California and Texas, Willis says: "I have great admiration for Amber. She is a
wonderful person who may have made mistakes in the past that have nothing to do
with this case."
Willis adds: "It sounds strange for me to talk about her, but I just believed
in her from the first. Sometimes you can't explain why, but you see the spirit
or the essence of the person. You look beyond the eyes and see something deep
down inside that is very worthwhile."
Other church members also have shown support. "We have no reason not to support
her," Willis says.
"She stands tall and straight, and she's bent on being a good mother. I see her
talking about the child with the utmost love that a mother ought to have."
Frey's past relationships do not faze this grandmother who tries to remember
human nature for what it is and not be too disappointed with anyone. She also
remembers what the Bible says: "Let the person who has never done anything
wrong cast the first stone."
Willis gets angry when she reclines in her blue arm chair to read tabloid
newspaper stories or watch cable TV shows that in her estimation treat Frey
unfairly. "Slime," Willis calls such reports. "I want to get my dander up and
go take care of those people. I've learned to love the girl. She's like a
granddaughter."
It seems longer than six months ago that the same young woman stepped in front
of the cameras at the Modesto Police Department and told reporters, "I am very
sorry for Laci's family and the pain this has caused them." Frey said she
prayed for Laci Peterson's safe return, and she then pleaded for her privacy.
Instead she found the heat of a very public murder case.
Now she will have opportunities to trade her celebrity for cash. Movie deals
may come. Book proposals, too.
"The longer she holds out the more valuable she becomes," says Vanity Fair's
Maureen Orth.
Ex-boyfriend Hoffinger says it's the hard-boiled truth that all the exposure
will be good for Frey.
"Her name is out there. It's not the best way to put it out there, but it's out
there. She's going through hell, but something good has to come out of it."
Hoffinger wants to believe that, and something else, too: "She will pull
through it. She's strong. She'll pull through anything."
The reporter can be reached at dhoa...@fresnobee.com or 441-6354.
For all those spouting jingoes about the need to go to war with Iraq now,
go down on the capital mall and look at the Vietnam Memorial."
--Senator Robert Byrd (True Patriot - West Virginia)
Bradley K. Sherman
Sarah Monroe <gmsp...@aol.com> wrote:
> Amber is not low income, she is a Licensed Physical Therapist. Do you have
Cite please.
--bks
tinydancer
"Sarah Monroe" <gmsp...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031115084008...@mb-m12.aol.com...
> >>She may be low-income, she may be
> >>less-than-aesthetically-pleasant,
> >
> >Am I the only one who thinks Amber is actually kind of attractive?
> >
> >I mean sure, she's no Uma Thurman but she passes the cracker test.
> >Max
> >
> >"And you know what they said? Well some of it was true"
> > --The Clash
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> I posted this article on another thread but looks like it needs to go here
too.
> Amber is not low income, she is a Licensed Physical Therapist. Do you
have
> any idea what those people make? I know 2 of them, definitely no low
income.
>
> Amber is also a high school graduate and has had some college, so she is
not
> some dumb broad that certain people try to make her out to be.
>
> Scott is the alleged killer, why all the attacks on Amber? He's the
scumbag,
> why blame the woman?
Thanks for the article Sarah, it was very enlightening.
td
Kris Baker
>
>
> Alan Street wrote:
>
> >
> >It would appear. I also still have a suspicion that both Scott and
> >Amber were involved with selling anhydrous ammonia to meth producers,
> >that they were both under investigation prior to Laci's death, and that
> >LE (used generically here) used the threat of prosecution against Amber
> >to coerce her to try and get something on Scott.
> >
> >Alan
> >
> I totally agree to both of the above posts. It makes lotta sense to me.
I don't.
IF there were any drug connection, it'd have been huge
news early on, leaked by the MPD in another effort to
trap Scott Peterson .... OR leaked by the defense in
an effort to bolster their Donnie and the Meth Gang
theory.
Kris
peter dostal
Kris Baker wrote:
I doesn't fit to the theory of the leaking prosecution. And the defense
didn't leak very much, and they might also have avoided to paint a
darker side of Scott by naming him supplier for drug labs.
However, I believe the defense will follow it up once they have received
the video tapes.
Mike Walton
> >>She may be low-income, she may be
> >>less-than-aesthetically-pleasant,
> >
> >Am I the only one who thinks Amber is actually kind of attractive?
> >
> >I mean sure, she's no Uma Thurman but she passes the cracker test.
> >Max
You and Scott, before his wife was murdered and before he tried to dump her:
Amber must be very lonely.
Sarah Monroe
Not my quote. Please be more careful with your attributes.
Gms
Mjkenoyer
> "Mjkenoyer" <mandjk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:676b15de.03111...@posting.google.com...
> > <...>
> >
> > Y'know, here I have to play Devil's Advocate for a moment and give
> > Amber the benefit of the doubt. I'm a little annoyed by the whole
> > Amber-is-a-victim notion Gloria Allred puts out there as well, but I
> > do think it's possible that Amber (like Laci, Laci's family, and hell,
> > even Scott's own family) might have gotten the wool pulled over her
> > eyes. I've read several accounts of Scott being described as a
> > "player" and "smooth talker" who knew just the right things to say in
> > attracting women, so who knows, Amber could've fallen for Scott's
> > little schtick (and forgive the obvious pun) hook, line, and sinker.
> <....>
>
> Amber's just not that stupid. And practically every other lie Scott's told
> has blown up in his face. Why should this one have been any different?
> Scott's a lousy liar.
He _is_ a pretty pathetic liar, but then again, he has that charm
factor quality that has (up till now) allowed him to get away with
alot of his bullshit. Why does his family stick by him in the public?
I'm sure they realize that their public image is currently less than
positive being that they're defending a probable murderer. And how did
_Laci_ live with said bullshit for more than five years (and conceive
a child with this asshole)? I don't know Laci personally, but it's
hard for me to believe she'd put up with his constant scam artistry
without him having some kind of charm-factor influence over her to
make the "little things" like the constant lying fall to the wayside.
I can concur with the notion that--her PI not withstanding--Amber
might have subconsciously realized he wasn't as quite "available" to
her as he'd led on, but still kept holding onto her Prince Charming
image of him--and I'm sure a healthy dose of Denial Mode kicked in at
some point.
> At first I didn't really credit the NE story, now, I'm pretty sure some of it is
> true. McAllister wasn't just guessing about the Dec 16 taping. I think he had a
> good reason to suspect Amber was trying to do the same thing she'd done
> to the Harts...
>
> From the NE story (and a Fresno Bee story):
>
> Michelle Hart met with Frey, and the two women talked. Michelle Hart made
> negative comments about her husband, and Frey reportedly agreed. Michelle Hart
> told The Fresno Bee that Frey secretly tape-recorded their conversation and
> then played the tape for Joshua Hart, which he confirmed.
Geez, her and Linda Tripp. Now I KNOW Amber needs some therapy. She
had good reason to distrust both Scott and this Joshua Hart guy, but
why go through the bother of tape-recording someone's conversations
while still dating the guys? She should have just dumped them both on
their asses the moment she knew the truth about them. That is probably
not her way though--she'd rather take the manipulative way out and get
some "evidence" of their infidelity on tape behind their backs. Maybe
she has a little bit of the Scott in her too, which is why she was so
attracted to him..
> I'm really beginning to believe Amber was running game on Scott, and
> it had disastrous consequences.
Disastrous consequences for Scott, that's for sure...as People mag
claims on its new cover story, she might very well be the one to seal
Scott's fate (if her independent tape recordings are ruled to be
admissible as evidence).
Mjkenoyer
> In article <jritb.154939$9E1.780376@attbi_s52>, el corazon del demonio\
> <robert...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> #"Alan Street" <alan@nonono_irsi.com> wrote in message
> #news:141120032028397678%alan@nonono_irsi.com...
>
> #> #it had disastrous consequences.
> #>
> #> Amber were involved with selling anhydrous ammonia to meth producers,
> #> that they were both under investigation prior to Laci's death, and that
> #> LE (used generically here) used the threat of prosecution against Amber
> #> to coerce her to try and get something on Scott.
> #>
> #> Alan
> #
> #Oh, I'm sure they leaned on her a bit. But until the meth lab angle
> #has some collateral, it's just a theory.
>
> Absolutely. It's a theory that makes sense, but at this point it's
> nothing but a theory.
Hrm, I could see where Scott and Amber might have "partnered" in the
anyhdrous ammonia business to supply meth producers (using TradeCorp
and the Fresno business trips as cover). This scenario might also
explain Scott's dealings and different paraphernalia in that warehouse
of his. (Although I still am curious to see if any blood or forensic
evidence related to Laci was found in that warehouse--we all have
heard that "not a drop" of blood or forensics related to a violent
crime were found in the _house_ but what about the warehouse? I've
read precious little info about the warehouse...)
However, something bothers me about this "meth" scenario overall, and
Scott's and Amber's sudden fling so close to Laci's disappearance on
top of that. It seems to be too much of a coincidence to me that Scott
would engage himself in a month-long tryst with one of his drug
partners (with whom I'm presuming he at least would have made had an
acquaintance long before November and his meth
business-slash-successful-TradeCorp-career was getting off the
ground)--only to have his pregnant wife go missing while still in the
throes of passion over Amber.
This chain of events would make sense if a jealous Amber, upon
realizing Scott's marital status, were to threaten to sic "Donnie and
the Meth Gang" or some other drug-business partners of hers on Laci.
She might have even freaked and threatened to leave Scott (or expose
him for his drug philanderings) if he didn't kill Laci himself. But
then she'd be far worse than a would-be witness in this murder case,
and even cooperating with the police to doing something relatively
innocuous as admitting an affair with Scott wouldn't save her ass on
convictions of being an accessory/developing a conspiracy to commit
murder. I don't think LE would have let her off the hook so
easily--she would so have been in jail right along with Scott if that
were the case.
So, although the drug-involvement scenario has some merit and valid
backing, I'm leaning towards the more basic notion that Scott alone
committed the murder, and Amber was one of Scott's unfortunate
by-products (cold as that might sound) who was unlucky enough to
choose Mr. Wrong in the first place.
m
tinydancer
I'm with you on this one, I don't think Amber had any involvement in scott's
'drug business' if he had one. I think, if there is a drug connection, it
was scotty's alone. Don't find it hard to believe scott was supplying
chemicals to low lifes for drug production, but Amber was polygraphed about
her involvement or lack there of. What ever came from those polygraph
results, I doubt she was involved in any overt way to Laci's disappearance,
or the cops would've simply arrested her and leaned on her, got her to flip
on scott.
td
Robert St. James (el corazon del demonio)
"Mjkenoyer"
> "Robert St. James \(el corazon del demonio\)" <...>
> > I'm really beginning to believe Amber was running game on Scott, and
> > it had disastrous consequences.
>
> Disastrous consequences for Scott, that's for sure...as People mag
> claims on its new cover story, she might very well be the one to seal
> Scott's fate (if her independent tape recordings are ruled to be
> admissible as evidence).
I was more thinking disastrous for Laci. I don't think the tape recordings
are going to be all that much unless they have Scott talking about getting
rid of her, and I don't see Scott talking about getting rid of a wife that
supposedly
was "lost" a year earlier. Unless by Dec 16 Amber had solid proof he was married.
Hmm. Say proof in the form of tape recordings of calls to *Laci*. That would
get the "bombshell" rating all right. It's interesting to note that Amber taped
Michelle Hart, not her husband.
So what do you think? Is the G onto something with these mysterious Dec 16 tapes?
RstJ
Jack Nichols
Give it up, the WHORE is not a victim !
tinydancer
"Jack Nichols" <jacknic...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Darth Jackie returns, so suck an egg............ I mean your airtank.
Mjkenoyer
Hmmm, verdict isn't in on that one yet. I would be interested if I
were on the prosecution team, however--what's on those mysterious
tapes might end up hurting the defense rather than helping them,
whether or not Amber called/taped Laci rather than Scott...
Mjkenoyer
> "Jack Nichols" <jacknic...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:2de1f58e.03111...@posting.google.com...
> >
>
> Darth Jackie returns, so suck an egg............ I mean your airtank.