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edi...@netpath.net

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Aug 5, 2006, 2:39:25 PM8/5/06
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Yesterday, the head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms
due to a scandal he's been disgraced in. It centers around the Marie
Antoinette-like plans for his new office suite in the
under-construction new headquarters for the agency - in which he had
specified a $65,000 conference table for the director's office suite!
(Do the CARS in your driveway have a total book value of $65,000?)
Notice how the elites of Washington's nomenklatura just can't live
like the peasantry forced to fund them - but must have conference
tables costing more than all the furniture combined in a typical
middle-class American family's house. And notice how attorney general
Alberto Gonzales defends the Marie Antoinette subordinate he had.
From today's Washington Post, below:
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The director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
announced his resignation yesterday, six months after the launch of an
internal investigation into questionable spending on a new headquarters
and other items during his tenure.
Carl J. Truscott, a 22-year veteran of the Secret Service who took over
as ATF chief in 2004, was under fire for his spending and management
practices at a time when the agency was considering sharp cuts in the
number of new cars, bulletproof vests and other basics it provides
agents.
Officials declined to say yesterday whether the allegations played a
role in Truscott's departure.
In announcing his resignation, effective Tuesday, Truscott struck a
positive note, calling his time at ATF "fulfilling" and praising agency
employees for their "professionalism and proficiency."
"While there is always more to achieve, of course, I am confident that
we have laid the groundwork for ATF to continue to realize great
progress," Truscott wrote. "Therefore, I have decided now is the time
for me to pursue other challenges and opportunities."
A report on ATF is expected soon from Justice Department Inspector
General Glenn A. Fine. His office has been investigating allegations
that Truscott put through or proposed hundreds of thousands of dollars
of unnecessary plan changes and upgrades to ATF's new
438,000-square-foot headquarters.
The building, under construction in Northeast Washington, is at least
$19 million over budget.
Sources familiar with the project told The Washington Post earlier this
year that Truscott planned to buy, among other things, nearly $300,000
in extras for the new director's suite, including a $65,000 conference
table and more than $100,000 worth of hardwood floors, custom trim and
other items.
These sources described Truscott as overly focused on the building's
details, from soap dishes to tile colors, and said he wasted valuable
time with innumerable project meetings and field trips to the site.
ATF has spent an additional $75 million for site acquisition, design,
furniture and other costs, and officials are debating whether they can
move into the building on time this year, sources have said.
Justice investigators have also questioned ATF employees about a costly
trip that Truscott and others took to London last year and about
allegations that ATF staff members helped assemble a school video
report for a young relative of Truscott's, according to officials
interviewed in the probe who declined to be identified for fear of
retaliation.
Truscott has declined to comment on the allegations.
Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales said in a statement last night
that Truscott is a "leader in the area of law enforcement, with a long
and distinguished career in government service."
===================================================================
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Mitchell Holman

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Aug 5, 2006, 2:51:01 PM8/5/06
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"edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in
news:1154803165.1...@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:

> Yesterday, the head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms
> due to a scandal he's been disgraced in. It centers around the Marie
> Antoinette-like plans for his new office suite in the
> under-construction new headquarters for the agency - in which he had
> specified a $65,000 conference table for the director's office suite!
> (Do the CARS in your driveway have a total book value of $65,000?)
> Notice how the elites of Washington's nomenklatura just can't live
> like the peasantry forced to fund them - but must have conference
> tables costing more than all the furniture combined in a typical
> middle-class American family's house. And notice how attorney general
> Alberto Gonzales defends the Marie Antoinette subordinate he had.


Where does Bush FIND these greedheads?

edi...@netpath.net

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Aug 5, 2006, 3:04:25 PM8/5/06
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Mitchell Holman quoted me:

> > Yesterday, the head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms
> > due to a scandal he's been disgraced in. It centers around the Marie
> > Antoinette-like plans for his new office suite in the
> > under-construction new headquarters for the agency - in which he had
> > specified a $65,000 conference table for the director's office suite!
> > (Do the CARS in your driveway have a total book value of $65,000?)
> > Notice how the elites of Washington's nomenklatura just can't live
> > like the peasantry forced to fund them - but must have conference
> > tables costing more than all the furniture combined in a typical
> > middle-class American family's house. And notice how attorney general
> > Alberto Gonzales defends the Marie Antoinette subordinate he had.

and replied:


> Where does Bush FIND these greedheads?

Better question: isn't this scandal undeniable proof that ATF has a
bloated budget, much going for crap totally unrelated to law
enforcement - and that Congress really should cut its budget?

No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com

Mitchell Holman

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Aug 5, 2006, 3:10:24 PM8/5/06
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"edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in
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It is to laugh. The GOP Congress is all about INCREASING
bureaucracy. And borrowing money to pay for it........

Mitchell Holman

"Our children are ultimately going to have to pay for it"
- GOP Senator Bill Frist, responding to a question about the
massive debts being run up by Congress and President Bush,
9/23/05


edi...@netpath.net

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Aug 5, 2006, 4:01:51 PM8/5/06
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Mitchell Holman quoted me:
> >> > Yesterday, the head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms
> >> > due to a scandal he's been disgraced in. It centers around the Marie
> >> > Antoinette-like plans for his new office suite in the
> >> > under-construction new headquarters for the agency - in which he had
> >> > specified a $65,000 conference table for the director's office suite!
> >> > (Do the CARS in your driveway have a total book value of $65,000?)
> >> > Notice how the elites of Washington's nomenklatura just can't live
> >> > like the peasantry forced to fund them - but must have conference
> >> > tables costing more than all the furniture combined in a typical
> >> > middle-class American family's house. And notice how attorney general
> >> > Alberto Gonzales defends the Marie Antoinette subordinate he had.

and replied:


> It is to laugh. The GOP Congress is all about INCREASING
> bureaucracy. And borrowing money to pay for it........

All it proves is that Gov. Wallace was correct when he said in his
independent presidential campaigns that there wasn't "a dime's worth of
difference" between the Democrat and Republican parties. Whichever is
in office, the Marie Antoinette ways of the nomenklatura in Washington
just keep rolling along - like this latest example of an agency
director spending more on a conference desk for his office than it
would cost you to buy two Toyota Camrys plus one Toyota Corolla.

liber...@yahoo.com

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Aug 5, 2006, 5:49:34 PM8/5/06
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What diploma-mill issued you a law degree? When Wallace said that he
was referring to both (moderate) republicans and (liberal) democrats
who supported civil rights legislation. But, I will say, there's not a
dime's worth of difference among gun nuts, fascists, mental midgets,
sexually inadequate males, and republicans. Of course not, that is what
they call in math,,,an identity.

robw

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Aug 5, 2006, 7:31:01 PM8/5/06
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edi...@netpath.net

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Aug 6, 2006, 2:32:29 PM8/6/06
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liber...@yahoo.com quoted me:

> > All it proves is that Gov. Wallace was correct when he said in his
> > independent presidential campaigns that there wasn't "a dime's worth of
> > difference" between the Democrat and Republican parties. Whichever is
> > in office, the Marie Antoinette ways of the nomenklatura in Washington
> > just keep rolling along - like this latest example of an agency
> > director spending more on a conference desk for his office than it
> > would cost you to buy two Toyota Camrys plus one Toyota Corolla.

and replied:


> What diploma-mill issued you a law degree?

University of North Carolina - and, unlike fellow alumnus former
governor Jim Hunt, I passed the bar exam the first try!

> When Wallace said that he was referring to both (moderate) republicans and (liberal) >democrats who supported civil rights legislation.

Bullshit. Everything he said in his famous "dime's worth of
difference" remark can equally be applied to the steady expansion of
the federal budget under presidents and Congresses of both parties from
1980 on, to Bush's failure to roll back any of the Hillary Agenda on
social issues even though he's had a Republican House and a Republican
Senate for five years to do that, to endless "peacekeeping" missions in
YugoNam that have dragged on under Republican Bush just as started
under Democrat Klintons, etc.

John Graeme

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Aug 6, 2006, 6:10:44 PM8/6/06
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You Republocrats are so mired in your simple-minded, one-dimensional
viewpoint that you can't imagine anyone could actually have an original
point of view.
Things haven't changed much since Mencken remarked:
"Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying
to prove that the other party is unfit to rule--and both commonly
succeed, and are right...The United States...history is simply a record
of vacillations between two gangs of frauds."
--H. L. Mencken

SaPeIsMa

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Aug 7, 2006, 11:41:19 AM8/7/06
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"Mitchell Holman" <NoEmai...@comcast.com> wrote in message
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One has to wonder why you need to change your Nym and munged e-mail address
so often ?

2005/07/28 "Mitchell Holman" <ta2eene...@comcast.com>
2006/01/13 "Mitchell Holman" <ta2een...@comcast.com>
2006//4/26 "Mitchell Holman" <NoE...@comcast.com>
2006/08/07 "Mitchell Holman" <NoEmai...@comcast.com>


Are you on the run ?
Or is it only that you KNOW that you're being kill-filed by people on a
regular basis ?


mr_antone

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Aug 7, 2006, 12:44:10 PM8/7/06
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:41:19 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

How would anyone know they're being kill filed ?

Are you related to Bush?

mr_antone

Mitchell Holman

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Aug 7, 2006, 4:44:10 PM8/7/06
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"SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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That is a common reaction to people who are
consistently proven wrong.


Mitchell Holman

"Amazing that all the people who think that GWB is a
"moronic fuckwit" all seemed to think that Kerry was
not. And yet, Kerry did almost as well as GWB at Yale.
But he wasn't good enough to get into HBS and graduate
from it as well."
"SaPeIsMa" Aug. 7, 2006. In fact Bush was rejected from
law school because of his low grades at Yale while Kerry
was accepted and graduated.



Mitchell Holman

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Aug 7, 2006, 5:08:37 PM8/7/06
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mr_antone <mr_antone@> wrote in
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Or just a run-of-the-mill paranoid..........;)

edi...@netpath.net

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Aug 7, 2006, 9:39:29 PM8/7/06
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Mitchell Holman wrote (or quoted?):

> "Amazing that all the people who think that GWB is a
> "moronic fuckwit" all seemed to think that Kerry was
> not. And yet, Kerry did almost as well as GWB at Yale.
> But he wasn't good enough to get into HBS and graduate
> from it as well."

So what? My experience in law school was that law school is full of
students - and professors - who don't have a bit of common sense, no
understanding of science or engineering matters that would apply to the
cases and issues in the courses they take or teach, etc.

Mitchell Holman

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Aug 7, 2006, 10:38:51 PM8/7/06
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"edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in
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You are a lawyer?

You don't say.

Proof?


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edi...@netpath.net

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Aug 8, 2006, 12:13:45 AM8/8/06
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Mitchell Holman quoted me:

> > So what? My experience in law school was that law school is full of
> > students - and professors - who don't have a bit of common sense, no
> > understanding of science or engineering matters that would apply to the
> > cases and issues in the courses they take or teach, etc.

and replied:
> You are a lawyer?

Graduated Univ. of North Carolina law school, 1985. Passed bar exam
first try - which is more than can be said for fellow alumnus and
former governor Jim Hunt. Practiced from 1986 through end of the
1990s; currently voluntary inactive status with state bar - due to
having taken care of my late mother at home for a couple years and not
wanting annual expenses of active license for what never had been
profitable for me (solo practice).

cally...@gmail.com

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Aug 8, 2006, 12:21:12 AM8/8/06
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> currently voluntary inactive status with state bar - due to
> having taken care of my late mother at home for a couple years and not
> wanting annual expenses of active license for what never had been
> profitable for me (solo practice).
>

Oh, please. That's embarrassing.

Mitchell Holman

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Aug 8, 2006, 12:25:30 AM8/8/06
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"edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in
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That's touching.

Unproven, but touching.


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SaPeIsMa

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Aug 8, 2006, 2:22:31 PM8/8/06
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"Mitchell Holman" <NoEmai...@comcast.com> wrote in message
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> "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:12denr2...@corp.supernews.com:
>
>>
>> "Mitchell Holman" <NoEmai...@comcast.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9816902DB...@216.196.97.131...
>>
>>
>> One has to wonder why you need to change your Nym and munged e-mail
>> address so often ?
>>
>> 2005/07/28 "Mitchell Holman" <ta2eene...@comcast.com>
>> 2006/01/13 "Mitchell Holman" <ta2een...@comcast.com>
>> 2006//4/26 "Mitchell Holman" <NoE...@comcast.com>
>> 2006/08/07 "Mitchell Holman" <NoEmai...@comcast.com>
>>
>>
>> Are you on the run ?
>> Or is it only that you KNOW that you're being kill-filed by people on a
>> regular basis ?
>>
>>
>
>
> That is a common reaction to people who are
> consistently proven wrong.
>
>
> Mitchell Holman

Yup
That does explain it about you....


So back to the kill-file with you..


Mitchell Holman

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Aug 8, 2006, 5:23:54 PM8/8/06
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"SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Yep - the usual retreat when you are proven wrong.

How does that crow taste?


edi...@netpath.net

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Aug 9, 2006, 6:43:43 AM8/9/06
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Carl Nisarel quoted me:

> > not wanting annual expenses of active license for what never had been
> > profitable for me (solo practice).

and replied:
> If you were a lawyer, you just demonstrated that you were a really
> bad lawyer.

All I demonstrated is that it's virtually impossible for a solo
practitioner lawyer licensed after 1980 to make substantial - if any -
net profit, unless the lawyer is doing something seriously illegal.
Just WAY too many lawyers competing for WAY too little *paying*
business - to the point that fees on common legal services have fallen,
often below the break-even point. (Why do you think so many lawyers
are now doing work like selling insurance and working in the
bureaucracy?)
Solo practitioner lacks partners to carry him during months when he
himself has little business - but office and personal bills must be
paid anyhow. That's why three of the four solo practitioners I was
really familiar with could only practice due to outside income (spouse,
parent, pension from prior work, Social Security) - and the fourth only
was profitable because she was doing green-card fraud on behalf of
clients in her immigration-law practice, eventually resulting in her
recent federal prison stay.
People wanting basic legal services like having wills drafted,
incorporating small businesses, powers of attorney, etc. used to be the
bread and butter of newer lawyers - but such business has now gone to
do-it-yourself online kits. People facing low-level misdemeanor
charges similarly don't hire lawyers anymore - but just go into court
themselves and plead guilty, as they know they'll get the same
suspended sentence but without a lawyer fee to pay!
Other real drains on the solo practitioner include slow-paying
government contracts - while your own expenses continue - and
uncollectable judgments you won for major clients.

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