JBR: The New 'Profile'
MaryHedman
This 'partial profile' was recently posted by someone who claims that it came
from "a reliable source familiar with the investigation and is currently being
pursued by
investigators involved with this case." I'm currently trying to track down
the veracity of this 'profile' and I have concerns about the origin and
motivation behind this 'profile.'
I find it very interesting that, all of a sudden, Haddon's consultant, John
Douglas, gave interviews that broadly hinted Patsy was responsible, then this
'profile' appeared. This 'profile' ties in with the long-term rumors
concerning Patsy's lesbian lover. Furthermore, the Murderous Intruder Lesbian
defense was used successfully in a l980's first degree murder trial handled by
one of Haddon's partners, Brian Morgan.
Profile of JonBenét Ramsey's Killer
The killer may be:
*A white female
*Age: 35-45 years
*Single or divorced
*Average or slightly above average intellectually
*A loner and acted alone in murder
*Domineering
*Aggressive and controlling with masculine demeanor
*Sexually aggressive and willing to try anything
*Overconfident with an air of superiority
*Neatly groomed, slightly overweight with hair short
or frequently tied up
*High birth order with several siblings; highly
educated parents
*History of bi-polar disorder or other mental illness
*Works as a paralegal, in security field or as a
civil servant
*Drawn to excitement-oriented or thrill-seeker
hobbies, including books,
movies
*Appears cooperative with Ramsey family or
authorities investigating the
case
*Has experienced stress or crisis in job or
relationship, and may have been
seen expressing anger prior to murder
*Used alcohol and/or drugs before and during the
murder with increased use
after
*Stays in touch with investigation.
Lo52964
>: maryh...@aol.com (MaryHedman) writes
I've liked mumsy from jump street, but this isn't evidence it is hot air.
Someone got all this from one badly worked body and crime scene? Their
crystal ball is working overtime.
" Don't talk to me about justice, it is bad enough to be mixed up with the
law."
LO5 2964
Eric Saeger
MaryHedman wrote:
> I find it very interesting that, all of a sudden, Haddon's consultant, John
> Douglas, gave interviews that broadly hinted Patsy was responsible, then this
> 'profile' appeared.
Well, the following points:
> *Appears cooperative with Ramsey family or
> authorities investigating the
> case
> *Has experienced stress or crisis in job or
> relationship, and may have been
> seen expressing anger prior to murder
> *Used alcohol and/or drugs before and during the
> murder with increased use
> after
> *Stays in touch with investigation.
...are pretty generic Douglas profile points.
This:
> *Works as a paralegal, in security field or as a
> civil servant
Seems like a red herring.
> This 'profile' ties in with the long-term rumors
> concerning Patsy's lesbian lover.
What? When did this rumor first appear? Has this woman been named?
> Furthermore, the Murderous Intruder Lesbian
> defense was used successfully in a l980's first degree murder trial handled by
> one of Haddon's partners, Brian Morgan.
Do you honestly think, given the (apparently weak) prosecution's case,
that Haddon would open up this huge can of worms? Just asking.
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MaryHedman
John Douglas has made a practice of shoe horning his 'profiles' to match the
characteristics of known suspects. For example, in the Guy Paul Morin case,
the police told Douglas all about their No. 1 suspect, and then Douglas created
a 'profile' to match. This was a quickie profile--Douglas flew to Canada for
one day-- and then left. As a result, a completely innocent man spent a
considerable period of time in prison. Douglas later refused to honor the
Canadian subpoena to go back and explain his 'profile'.
Given Haddon's bent and long-term politicaly lying, I'm suspicious that this
new 'profile' may have come from somewhere near a particular Denver law office.
Mary
MaryHedman
Dear Eric,
About Haddon and the 'profile'...
This 'profile' could 'match' a number of Boulder women: Linda Arnt, former
mayor Leslie Durgin, Susan Stine, etc., etc.
Would Haddon ever actually name-names in court? I doubt it, but he could hint
all over the place. The Nest of Lesbians Defense has been used before--even by
Haddon's law partner.
You're right about the generic aspects of this 'profile'. It's really the
lesbian version of a male SK profile. Right now, I don't know exactly where
this thing came from, but I have my suspicions.
Last summer there was a lot of talk about a woman who had already talked to the
police, and the story was that Patsy and she had a relationship up to the time
of the murder. If this relationship did, indeed, occur, John was probably
aware of it, and perhaps even has 'tapes.' I wonder what that PI Palladino
has been doing lately? (He was Mr. Bimbo Eruption 1992 and his payments were
laundered through a Denver law firm.)
This whole think stinks to me. Nothing definite, just a certain reek. Think
about it: this 'defense' would cover all the bases.
Mary
Emma Chase
MaryHedman (maryh...@aol.com) wrote:
: This 'partial profile' was recently posted by someone who claims that it came
: from "a reliable source familiar with the investigation and is currently being
: pursued by
: investigators involved with this case." I'm currently trying to track down
: the veracity of this 'profile' and I have concerns about the origin and
: motivation behind this 'profile.'
Hmmm. Since kiddie porn was found on the hard drives of his
computer...i still think that the JBR's dad is a pedophile and that he did
it.
Anyone else who ignores this is an idiot.
em
:)
NCW
7e...@qlink.queensu.ca (Emma Chase) wrote:
Did I miss something? When was kiddie porn found on JR's computer?
PHyatt1962
Hmmm. Since kiddie porn was found on the hard drives of his
computer...i still think that the JBR's dad is a pedophile and that he did
it.
Anyone else who ignores this is an idiot.
>>>
Has this been verified? Can someone give more details? I thought it was just
another denied rumor???
Pete
Beth Meacham
Emma Chase <7e...@qlink.queensu.ca> wrote in message
<6cck8a$d...@knot.queensu.ca>...
> Hmmm. Since kiddie porn was found on the hard drives of his
>computer...i still think that the JBR's dad is a pedophile and that he did
>it.
Um, where does this come from? I don't recall any such thing being found.
Beth
JBrown6000
em says:
Hmmm. Since kiddie porn was found on the hard drives of his
computer...i still think that the JBR's dad is a pedophile and that he did
it.
Anyone else who ignores this is an idiot.
>>>
**You know something nobody else knows?
jb
Eric Saeger
JBrown6000 wrote:
>> Hmmm. Since kiddie porn was found on the hard drives of his
>> computer...i still think that the JBR's dad is a pedophile and that he
It's a crock.
Eric Saeger
MaryHedman wrote:
> This whole think stinks to me. Nothing definite, just a certain reek. Think
> about it: this 'defense' would cover all the bases.
But that would set the Ramseys up for slander charges from the lesbian,
no?
MaryHedman
Eric, about the 'kiddie porn' stories:
"It's a crock".
There's another Ramsey book coming out next week (oh, goody). The author
describes various incidents in which JR was caught snapping photos backstage at
pageants and had to be ordered to stop. That, too, is a crock. If those
stories were true, the tabs would have loved it, but there was nothing that
could be substantiated. Peter Boyles et al have basically called this new
Ramsey author a fraud.
Mary
PattyC4303
In article <34EB0D...@aol.com>, Eric Saeger <NOSPAM*ManO...@aol.com>
writes:
>MaryHedman wrote:
> This whole think stinks to me. Nothing definite, just a
>certain reek. Think
> about it: this 'defense' would cover all the
>bases.
But that would set the Ramseys up for slander charges from the
>lesbian,
no?
I think I am going to need a JBR "review course" or something... WHO is "the
lesbian?"
PattyC
guppy
Emma Chase wrote:
> Hmmm. Since kiddie porn was found on the hard drives of his
> computer...i still think that the JBR's dad is a pedophile and that he did
> it.
> Anyone else who ignores this is an idiot.
I recall it being reported that some of the computers at Ramsey's
company had been used to access a few of the internet sex sites,
but there was no record of which of the employees were responsible.
It sounded to me like they were looking at some kind of history list
on a proxy server. Anyway, the info wasn't deemed to be helpful to
the investigation, but it probably was helpful in selling a lot
of tabloids.
guppy
MaryHedman
PattyC wrote:
>But that would set the Ramseys up for slander charges from the<BR>
>>lesbian,<BR>
>no?<
This profile is pure 'genius' because it doesn't specifically say 'lesbian.'
Naturally, JR's defense would never mention anyone in particular, but it could
be a *lot* of women, even some very prominent Boulderites. I think there
would just be some hinting around to 'raise reasonable doubt.' Besides,
Haddon's partner, got a woman acquitted for killing her husband by claiming
Murderous Intruder Lesbians invaded their home, off'ed the husband and 'did
horrible things' to the defendant/wife.
Last summer, there was a rumor about a lesbian lover of Patsy's who had already
spoken to the police. The LL defense would neatly cover all the bases:
explain away the sexual abuse, the familiarity with the home, and provide a
motive: revenge by a jilted, disturbed lover. It's sick, but a law firm that
already did that *other* defense might try it again.
Mary
JBrown6000
Mary says:
<<This profile is pure 'genius' because it doesn't specifically say 'lesbian.'
Naturally, JR's defense would never mention anyone in particular, but it could
be a *lot* of women, even some very prominent Boulderites. I think there
would just be some hinting around to 'raise reasonable doubt.' Besides,
Haddon's partner, got a woman acquitted for killing her husband by claiming
Murderous Intruder Lesbians invaded their home, off'ed the husband and 'did
horrible things' to the defendant/wife.
Last summer, there was a rumor about a lesbian lover of Patsy's who had already
spoken to the police. The LL defense would neatly cover all the bases:
explain away the sexual abuse, the familiarity with the home, and provide a
motive: revenge by a jilted, disturbed lover. It's sick, but a law firm that
already did that *other* defense might try it again.
**LL just sounds like another tabloid headline hook. I don't think it's an
outrageous claim that a woman could have done it. There is certainly nothing
in the evidence that precludes it.
jb
MaryHedman
Dear jb,
The defense Brian Morgan used was arguably wilder than anything the tabs come
up with. The case involved the 1978 murder of the defendant's physician
hubby, 1980 trial, with Brian Morgan at the helm. Wife drugged hubby, then
polished him off. At the trial, she said she hid out in the basement, but the
murderous lesbian intruder molesters found her anyway, and did horrible things
to her...Just horrible...
Parts of two RMN stories about the Lindsley case are quoted below:
>From the RMN, May 19, 1997
(begin quote from article)
It's not the first time that's happened in cases handled by Haddon,
Morgan and Foreman, John Ramsey's law firm.
In 1980 that firm took on the defense of Lee Bibb Lindsley, who had been
accused of killing her husband, Warren, an Arapahoe County pediatrician, two
years earlier. The prosecutors said she had drugged his Irish coffee, then shot
him as he slept.
But Lindsley took the stand in her own defense, claiming that a couple had
invaded the house during the night and shot her husband. She said she hid in
the basement for several hours, but nevertheless had been molested by the
female intruder, a lesbian.
Most observers found this a very dubious alibi indeed, especially since the
police testified there had been no sign of a break-in and no footprints in the
fresh snow outside when they arrived. But at least 12 people in town believed
her story, or at least believed enough of it to have a reasonable doubt about
the widow's guilt. She walked.
(end quote)
Here's another quote from the RMN, January 1, 1997
begin quote)
Morgan, 59, was in the news in 1980 with his work in the defense of Lee Bobb
Lindsley.
He won the woman acquittal on a charge of first-degree murder for the 1978
shooting death of her pediatrician husband, Dr. Warren Felix B. Lindsley.
Prosecutors said Lindsley died when his wife drugged his Irish coffee, then
shot him in his sleep.
But Morgan and colleague Lee Foreman won over jurors at the 1980 trial with a
case claiming that Lindsley was murdered by two intruders, including a lesbian
who molested Lee Bobb Lindsley after her husband was shot.
Grady Bryan Morgan is a native of Bryan, Texas, who graduated from Stanford
University in 1960, and the University of Colorado School of Law in 1966.
(end quote)
Michael Newton
MaryHedman wrote:
>
> Last summer, there was a rumor about a lesbian lover of Patsy's who had already
> spoken to the police. The LL defense would neatly cover all the bases:
> explain away the sexual abuse, the familiarity with the home, and provide a
> motive: revenge by a jilted, disturbed lover. It's sick, but a law firm that
> already did that *other* defense might try it again.
>
It makes as much sense as OJ's "dream team" blaming Colombian drug lords
and/or wandering psycho Glenn Rogers.
mn
JBrown6000
Mary says:
<<The defense Brian Morgan used was arguably wilder than anything the tabs come
up with. The case involved the 1978 murder of the defendant's physician
hubby, 1980 trial, with Brian Morgan at the helm. Wife drugged hubby, then
polished him off. At the trial, she said she hid out in the basement, but the
murderous lesbian intruder molesters found her anyway, and did horrible things
to her...Just horrible...
**This sounds REALLY interesting. Is there a book about it?
jb
Tow...@aci.on.ca
In article <19980217155...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
convention. Another FBI profiler had been assigned but the Durham police
grabbed him and basically forced him into doing the profile. Also Douglas
spent more than one day on the case. About 2 months to be exact.
I am just trying to correct the errors made in your post.
Feel free to e-mail me for more info.
Ken
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MaryHedman
Ken,
Douglas spent VERY little time on the 'profile' of Guy Paul Morin. In fact, he
listened to what the investigators told him about their suspect, Morin, and
included that information in the 'profile.' Because Morin was a musician, the
investigators wanted to tie that to the murder of the young girl, who was found
with her band instrument by her side. She was killed on her way home from
school, and therefore had her instrument, a flute, as I recall, with her.
Douglas' profile said the killer 'liked music'. The investigators targeted
the musician neighbor early in the investigation and ignored the girl's brutal
family members, some of whom later admitted that they had systematically raped
her during her short, painful life.
Because Morin's rights were so severely trampled--he was first tried and
ACQUITTED (Canada has no double jeopardy clause), then tried again and found
guilty based on lies, manipulated and fabricated evidence, this became one of
the more infamous cases of injustice in Canadian history. Douglas refused to
honor the Canadian subpoena and refused to explain his 'profile' when Morin's
conviction was reopened. Douglas clearly wasn't 'forced' into doing that
profile, nor could he be 'forced' to return to Canada and defend it.
Mary Hedman