Re: Author blames Peterson mother
cro...@earthlink.net
write a book about someone they have never met and make accusations against
that person's mother...murderer or not...I'd sue him for libel...
"Mardy" <M...@gte.net> wrote in message
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> Forensic psychiatrist says parenting created a man who could commit
> murder
>
> Scott Peterson's mother is much to blame for the murder of his
> pregnant wife, a forensic psychiatrist asserts in the case's latest
> true-crime book.
>
> Without ever examining Peterson, Dr. Keith Ablow concluded that the
> Modesto man is innocent by reason of insanity - brought on by his
> mother, Jackie Peterson.
>
> "He was not only insane, he was not really a person," Ablow wrote in
> "Inside the Mind of Scott Peterson." The book was set for release
> Monday, a publicist said, though some stores stocked it several days
> earlier.
>
> Ablow, a Massachusetts novelist who spouted theories on Peterson's
> psyche for Court TV during last year's dramatic trial, said the
> Modesto man's lawyers blundered by arguing that he was innocent. If
> they had called Ablow to the stand, he said in the book, he would have
> explained how Peterson's upbringing left him "embalmed, a vampire, the
> living dead, seducing (Laci Peterson) in order to feast on her
> alertness, her energy, her blood."
>
> Why? Because his mother, damaged by her own childhood, wrecked his,
> Ablow said.
>
> Jackie Peterson's father was murdered when she was 2. Her mother,
> unable to care for her children, put them in an abusive parochial
> orphanage, Ablow said. Later, Jackie Peterson was abandoned by two
> lovers and gave up two illegitimate children for adoption, and
> considered giving up a third fathered by yet another man, he said.
>
> When Lee Peterson married her, Jackie Peterson was desperate to keep
> him at any cost - including psychologically smothering the only child
> they parented together, Ablow said. Scott Peterson, described by many
> trial witnesses as the "Golden Child," learned how to please everyone,
> but didn't know how to love anyone, the author wrote.
>
> Facing his own fatherhood with a wife he didn't love while working a
> job he didn't like in "a dead-end, dusty town called Modesto," the
> fertilizer salesman killed her with no emotion and no remorse, Ablow
> envisioned.
>
> "In his mind, he had not only killed Laci, he had killed his mother,"
> Ablow wrote. "He had erased the past."
>
> Ablow addressed Peterson's accountability on the last page of the
> 242-page book: "The more you look for the truth, the further back you
> search for it, the more you realize that there is no original evil
> left in the world. Everyone is just recycling pain."
>
> The author repeatedly suggests what Peterson was thinking at critical
> points.
>
> Ablow placed newspaper ads and posted a Web site "seeking anyone with
> knowledge of (Peterson's) childhood," and interviewed some of his
> family members and friends. He then diagnosed Peterson as having no
> individual identity and suffering from antisocial personality
> disorder.
>
> Of course, jurors didn't buy the defense contention that Peterson is
> as normal as the day is long, Ablow wrote. They sentenced him to death
> in December.
>
> Katherine Ramsland, a forensic psychologist and author, said Ablow's
> secondhand diagnosis - without interviewing Peterson or reviewing any
> psychiatric history - is suspect at best. Those most likely to respond
> to his requests would be "a self-selected population" whose memories
> are tainted by the well-publicized case, Ramsland said.
>
> Also, statistics show that insanity pleas rarely work with jurors, she
> said.
>
> The case has spawned at least six books, two e-books and two
> made-for-TV movies. Two more books are expected to be published,
> including one by Laci Peterson's mother, Sharon Rocha.
>
> Ablow said he interviewed Rocha and revealed that she suspected her
> son-in-law tried to poison Laci Peterson, who had abdominal cramps
> before she vanished Christmas Eve 2002.
>
> Among Ablow's mistakes:
>
> He referred to "Sharon and Ron Rocha." Ron Grantski is Rocha's
> longtime companion.
>
> Listing some famous clients of Peterson attorney Mark Geragos, he
> mentioned "Congressman Gary Condit, whose intern Chandra Levy
> disappeared and was found murdered." Levy had interned for the U.S.
> Bureau of Prisons.
>
> AT A GLANCE
>
> An excerpt from "Inside the Mind of Scott Peterson," by Dr. Keith
> Ablow:
>
> Scott Peterson was in the middle of the perfect psychological storm.
>
> He had been raised by a mother who had rid herself of two children and
> who had considered giving away a third. For her, becoming pregnant had
> always triggered abandonment by a lover she craved, the end of
> romance, the end of love.
>
> Scott himself had been removed from his mother immediately after
> birth, placed in a plastic oxygen tank where he had had to fight for
> every breath. There was no warmth associated with coming into the
> world, only quiet desperation.
>
> He had gone home with a mother who had proceeded to suffocate him
> psychologically, to strangle everything that was uniquely him, to
> gold-plate her trophy son and entomb him in her vision of him as the
> perfect child.
>
> For Scott Peterson, birth equaled death.
>
> He had for many years used the adoration of women.to remind himself
> that he existed at all. And he knew that with a child, it would be
> harder to make the moves he was used to making -- harder to travel,
> harder to disappear and cheat..
>
> Scott would be going home every night to a house with a mother and a
> baby inside it, the very sort of place where he was spiritually
> murdered.
>
> Back to the scene of the crime.
>
> Birth equals death.
>
> http://www.modbee.com/local/story/11094306p-11850629c.html
Carmen
Hi,
On 16-Aug-2005, Mardy <M...@gte.net> wrote:
> Forensic psychiatrist says parenting created a man who could commit
> murder
>
> Scott Peterson's mother is much to blame for the murder of his
> pregnant wife, a forensic psychiatrist asserts in the case's latest
> true-crime book.
>
> Without ever examining Peterson, Dr. Keith Ablow concluded that the
> Modesto man is innocent by reason of insanity — brought on by his
> mother, Jackie Peterson.
Snip
Wow, what a load of crap. Wonder how many people will be stupid
enough to pay him for it?
--
Lab Law 6: Carbon monoxide doesn't smell like anything. Be careful.
Carmen
RetzQ
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-16-2005/0004089440&EDATE=
Preposterous doesn't even quite cover it.
RetzQ
Ablow's interview on the Early Show.
DLL
just as preposterous. Apparently, and you are living proof of this and
in fact go on and on about your 'right' to self publish your 'book'
about the case, everyone gets to have an opinion on any crime. You
aren't the be all and end all of the public's perceptions. So save
your slander until such time as you aren't trying to cash in on a
crime. Like you are now. The tip jar aka paypal link on your site
wasn't good enough?
Any comments you make on any crime site are coloured dark by your
trying to peddle your vanity press paperback.
EnEss
"comadreja-t" wrote:
>> Without ever examining Peterson, Dr. Keith Ablow concluded that the
>> mother, Jackie Peterson.
<snip>
Yeah, you summed it just about perfect, comadre.
What a crock Ablow's theory is, and how *insane* of him to suggest this
could've been the basis of an insanity defense. How could he be that
ill-informed? He's a disgrace to his profession.
There are literally millions and millions of people who grow up under
conditions thousands of times worse than those of Scott Peterson's childhood
and the majority don't tun out to be wife and baby murdering sociopaths, or
murderers or criminals of any kind. That's just about the most stupid theory
put forth yet in this case, and I'm including the Satanic cult and murdering
homeless people in that equation. Unbelievable.
NS
(add sbc before global to email)
cro...@earthlink.net
to be taken literally and/or is from some bogus "university..."
"EnEss" <star...@global.net> wrote in message
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RetzQ
Here is a review I wrote on Ablow's book. You can decide if his premise
is adequate on which to base his conclusions.
There are other reviews on Amazon that concur with my opinion.
Alex
analysis to date.
Alex
"Mardy" <M...@gte.net> schreef in bericht
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> Forensic psychiatrist says parenting created a man who could commit
> murder
>
> Scott Peterson's mother is much to blame for the murder of his
> pregnant wife, a forensic psychiatrist asserts in the case's latest
> true-crime book.
>
> Without ever examining Peterson, Dr. Keith Ablow concluded that the
> Modesto man is innocent by reason of insanity - brought on by his
> mother, Jackie Peterson.
>
> http://www.modbee.com/local/story/11094306p-11850629c.html
ronniecat
the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth but instead
wrote:
>Ablow, a Massachusetts novelist who spouted theories on Peterson's
>psyche for Court TV during last year's dramatic trial, said the
>Modesto man's lawyers blundered by arguing that he was innocent. If
>they had called Ablow to the stand, he said in the book, he would have
>explained how Peterson's upbringing left him "embalmed, a vampire, the
>living dead, seducing (Laci Peterson) in order to feast on her
>alertness, her energy, her blood."
Whew :) Sounds like somebody needs a psychiatrist, all right.
It sounds like a hysterical exercise in yellow journalism, dripping
with schadenfreude, a steaming pile of unethical pseudo-psychiatric
bullshit not scientifically worth the paper it's written on.
God help me, I want to buy it.
What? The winters are long in Canada. Gotta read something.
ronnie
"People say that it can't work, black and white. Yeah? well here
we make it work, everyday." 'Sheryl Yoast', "Remember the Titans"
Kris Baker
> Modesto man is innocent by reason of insanity - brought on by his
> mother, Jackie Peterson.
Oooooohhhh....I wonder if we'll get to see her really PO'd
on Court TV. I'd PAY to watch that.
> "He was not only insane, he was not really a person,"
> Ablow wrote in "Inside the Mind of Scott Peterson."
That doesn't qualify as a deep subject. Must be a
pamphlet.
Kris
RetzQ
DLL wrote:
>
>
> Any comments you make on any crime site are coloured dark by your
> trying to peddle your vanity press paperback.
Obsessive troll strikes again.
Read Ablow's book and then opine, Moon Pie.
JonesieCat
"RetzQ" <lore...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/16/earlyshow/leisure/books/main781016.shtml
>
> Ablow's interview on the Early Show.
Guy gives me the willies.
Kris Baker
"JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
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He looks like Hacking.
Kris
RetzQ
johns wrote:
> Hmm .. pretty clear that none of you are familiar with nature of ..
> and onset of pathological narcissism. That is all he is doing.
> Read Kernberg .. "Mask Of Sanity". It is all right there. And
> regards Peterson .. probably very true.
>
> johns
I wouldn't have a problem with Ablow if he had called it pathological
narcissism. He diagnoses Peterson as an anti-social personality
disorder with dissosciative disorder. A cookie-cutter diagnosis he used
time and again while testifying for the defense in murder trials in the
Commonwealth of Mass.
Peterson, I believe, has a lot of behavior and symptoms of a malignant
narcissist.
RetzQ
ronniecat wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:52:38 GMT, Mardy <M...@gte.net> promised to tell
> the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth but instead
> wrote:
>
> >Ablow, a Massachusetts novelist who spouted theories on Peterson's
> >psyche for Court TV during last year's dramatic trial, said the
> >Modesto man's lawyers blundered by arguing that he was innocent. If
> >they had called Ablow to the stand, he said in the book, he would have
> >explained how Peterson's upbringing left him "embalmed, a vampire, the
> >living dead, seducing (Laci Peterson) in order to feast on her
> >alertness, her energy, her blood."
>
> Whew :) Sounds like somebody needs a psychiatrist, all right.
>
> It sounds like a hysterical exercise in yellow journalism, dripping
> with schadenfreude, a steaming pile of unethical pseudo-psychiatric
> bullshit not scientifically worth the paper it's written on.
>
> God help me, I want to buy it.
>
> What? The winters are long in Canada. Gotta read something.
>
> ronnie
You can get it from the library, maybe!
ronniecat
tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth but instead
wrote:
>
>ronniecat wrote:
>> God help me, I want to buy it.
>>
>> What? The winters are long in Canada. Gotta read something.
>>
>> ronnie
>
>
>You can get it from the library, maybe!
Aah. A win-win solution :)
Kris Baker
"ronniecat" <ronn...@mycollar.ronniecat.com> wrote in message
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> On 16 Aug 2005 16:56:41 -0700, "RetzQ" <lore...@cox.net> promised to
> tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth but instead
> wrote:
>
>>
>>ronniecat wrote:
>
>>> God help me, I want to buy it.
>>>
>>> What? The winters are long in Canada. Gotta read something.
>>>
>>> ronnie
>>
>>
>>You can get it from the library, maybe!
>
> Aah. A win-win solution :)
>
> ronnie
Like most books published recently, we've probably already
read the "good stuff". I didn't read anything in Ann Bird's or
Catherine Cryer's books that hadn't already been leaked.
Have some pie.
Kris
ronniecat
<kris....@prodigyyy.net> promised to tell the truth, the whole truth
and nothing but the truth but instead wrote:
>
>"ronniecat" <ronn...@mycollar.ronniecat.com> wrote in message
>news:tk05g1lvea0730efu...@4ax.com...
>> On 16 Aug 2005 16:56:41 -0700, "RetzQ" <lore...@cox.net> promised to
>> tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth but instead
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>ronniecat wrote:
>>
>>>> God help me, I want to buy it.
>>>>
>>>> What? The winters are long in Canada. Gotta read something.
>>>>
>>>> ronnie
>>>
>>>
>>>You can get it from the library, maybe!
>>
>> Aah. A win-win solution :)
>>
>> ronnie
>
>Like most books published recently, we've probably already
>read the "good stuff". I didn't read anything in Ann Bird's or
>Catherine Cryer's books that hadn't already been leaked.
>
>Have some pie.
>
>Kris
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Pie.
{gurgle gurgle gurgle gurgle gurgle...]
Cliff and Linda Griffith
> Here's the press release about the book:
>
>
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-16-2005/0004089440&EDATE=
>
> Preposterous doesn't even quite cover it.
From the press release:
These
include his mother Jackie's childhood in a notorious orphanage; her
subsequent
emotional and spiritual "murder" of Scott; his desperate need to be a
perfect
child, which led him to become a pathological liar when reality failed to
live
up to his fantasies; his craving for sexual excitement -- and hence his
multiple infidelities while married to Laci -- which, Ablow argues, was the
sole way he felt that he was alive at all; and the enormous psychological
threat that the prospect of having a child posed to Scott.Oops! "And
hence"! Isn't that one of the phrases that "did Patsy Ramsey in?"Linda
Kris Baker
"Cliff and Linda Griffith" <grif...@charter.net> wrote in message
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>
> Oops! "And hence"! Isn't that one of the phrases that "did Patsy
> Ramsey in?"Linda
>
Kris
JonesieCat
"Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyyy.net> wrote in message
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lol! he does!
JC
samvaknin
These may be of furyher interest in the context of this discussion:
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq64.html
http://samvak.tripod.com/journal42.html
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq5.html
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq22.html
http://www.mentalhelp.net/poc/view_doc.php/type/doc/id/419
NPD and AsPD (psychopathy)
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq82.html
http://open-site.org/Health/Conditions_and_Diseases/Psychiatric_Disorders/Personality/Antisocial/
http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/serialkillers.html
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq45.html
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq57.html
Take care.
Sam
comadreja-t wrote:
> In article <1124232833.8...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "johns" <john...@moscow.com> wrote:
>
> > Hmm .. pretty clear that none of you are familiar with nature of ..
> > and onset of pathological narcissism. That is all he is doing.
> > Read Kernberg .. "Mask Of Sanity". It is all right there. And
> > regards Peterson .. probably very true.
> >
> > johns
> >
>
> To me, this isn't about the most likely diagnosis for Scott Peterson,
> whether it is a narcissistic personality disorder to sociopathy. It is
> obvious that Scott Peterson has some sort of serious behavioral problems
> to kill his 8 month pregnant wife, and also thought he was smart enough
> that he could get away with it.
>
> I find it very disturbing that this Dr. Ablow would try to pass off
> his insight as a bona fide assessment. Obviously his first calling is
> writing, not medicine; his manuscript was probably bouncing from one
> book publisher to another. I sincerely doubt he has a medical
> practice, or any State Medical board would be pleased with a
> psychiatrist licensed by them writing something like this.
>
> When Dr. Ablow is labelled as "America's most well known forensic
> psychiatrist", I think that is more of an insult than a compliment in
> the field of psychiatry, ie meaning he gets his income from testifying
> as a hired gun in court cases, than actually practicing his discipline.
> It is sort of like writing, "America's most renown casino greeter".
>
> When Dr. Ablow writes that Scott Peterson was in amidst of "a perfect
> psychological storm"?!?!?!?!?, that may sound like a nice literary
> catchphrase, but it is complete gibberish in a mental health
> perspective. He also wrote that he could show that Scott Peterson was
> mentally ill enough to get labelled as insane by a court of law. He
> also has written that Scott Peterson was a sociopath, which is kind of
> polar opposite in showing that Scott didn't have a grasp on reality when
> he killed his wife.
>
> Finally, Dr. Albow's thesis is wrapped in a Freudian Perspective,
> which may give some sort of insight if a psychiatrist is working on his
> case study, but as his final assessment?!?!?! I mean one could write
> that Scott Peterson's collective unconscious was not connected to his
> central archetype, (ie Pop psychology Jungian), and it would be just as
> valid as Dr. Ablow balderdash, because it is just spouting out theories,
> without a clinical assessment.
>
> It all comes down to selling books, not even trying to get the right
> medical diagnosis of Scott Peterson, and certainly not by this Doctor
> and his technique or lack of it.
>
> -c