Joan Diver-jogging murder case...hmmmm
bstern
in Clarence NY, gleaned from this mornings Buffalo News..
The husband reports his wife "missing" only a couple of hours after
leaving the house in the morning? The child wasn't picked up from day
care before noon as planned?
I wonder did day care call him or did he call them with some lame
excuse. e.g. "she was supposed to be here, didn't show up"? and find out
that the boy wasn't picked up? Would day care call him after such a
short time? If so, why? Couldn't she have gone shopping on the spur of
the moment? Why did he say his wife was "missing"?
From the Buffalo News:
She left the boy at day care at 9AM, went back home and changed into
jogging clothes. (I figure she left for jogging maybe about a half hour
after that. So, the woman is gone from her house for about 2 1/2 hours
and she is reported "missing"?)
The police started an immediate search. I have to wonder why, when it
was so short a time?
The SUV she was driving was found in one spot, while a witness stated
that he/she had seen it parked in a different location, same area,
earlier that same morning. They call off the search after finding
nothing the first day. The body is found the next day by friends and
volunteers, in the same area that had already been searched by LE.
Her body was found partially clothed, but there was no rape. She was
bludgeoned, and strangled with a ligature. Was it staged to look like a
sexual attack?
The husband, according to the morning paper, is not cooperating "as
much" with LE right now.
The police have been unable to locate her car keys. She had a key pad on
the car door apparently, but was not able to use it adeptly. The husband
has refused to let LE search the vehicle at this point. They will have
to get a warrant to do so, it is impounded. He is lawyered up, and has
been since a couple of days after the murder.
LE is looking for anyone who may has seen a white ford ranger in the
area that morning. My bet is the husband drives a white ford ranger.
dancer...@aol.com
can't be posted because we don't know the husband or write naughty
words
that would upset his children."
Post it baby. post away.waste your day posting. but what r u gonna do
about it other than talk talk talk. tell me what good you are doing,
how you are helping the situation, how your google group messages are
helping solve a murder case? enlighten me please. true crime.... is
that the name of your group? tell me about your truth. tell me the
facts. i am all for evidence, but i refuse to accuse a man based on a
newspaper article, like the guy above tried to do. All I was saying is,
keep an open mind. Maybe the evidence does not point to a spouse this
time if you'd shut it and wait. I don't know and you don't either.
clearly.
oneofthesearchers
Diver asked for privacy during the wake and funeral. I think we should
focus on why the police called off the search. They claim they were
scaling back the search. There was not one law enforcement person from
any agency on the path that day. Erie County Sheriff's said they did
not have Mr. Divers permission to search the vehicle. The vehicle was
at their impound lot, why did they need his permission? Whose
permission did they get to search the bike path? Why are searching the
vehicle one week after she disappeared? Couldn't this have been
critical to the investigation? Shouldn't they have looked at it the
day she disappeared?
Mrs. Diver was to pick up her son at 11:30. When she was late anyone
who knew her knew something was wrong. Her children were the focus of
her life. She had never been late picking her son up, in fact she was
always early. She was labeled missing because it was outside her
character.
The focus needs to shift from how Mr. Diver is handling his grief to
why haven't the police done this poor woman justice.
tiny dancer
Police beginning to rule out "bike path rapist'
By MAKI BECKER
News Staff Reporter
10/7/2006
Whoever killed Joan Diver didn't leave any DNA evidence, according to
forensic tests conducted over the last five days.
And that finding is steering investigators away from the theory that
the "bike path rapist" killed the Clarence mother of four.
"We have not gotten any confirmation of any foreign DNA," Erie County
District Attorney Frank J. Clark told The Buffalo News on Friday, adding
that more tests are being done.
Clark's announcement came as family and friends gathered Friday
morning at the Zion Lutheran Church in Clarence Center for Diver's funeral.
The day also marked a full week since she dropped off her youngest son
at day care before heading to the Clarence bike path - and vanishing. A
volunteer searcher found her body Sunday in thick brush off the bike path
near the Clarence-Newstead border.
Late Thursday, sheriff's investigators secured a warrant to search
Diver's Ford Explorer, which was found parked on Shisler Road in Clarence,
where the road intersects with the bike path.
The vehicle could provide clues to Diver's death: authorities received
a tip that it was seen at another spot along the bike path last Friday
morning.
Sheriff's officials said Thursday the lawyer for Diver's husband,
Steven T. Diver, a chemistry professor at the University at Buffalo, had
been stalling on giving permission to search the vehicle. But the search
warrant negated that issue.
The husband is not considered a suspect or a person of interest in the
case, sheriff's officials have said.
Authorities initially suspected that Diver may have been the victim of
the elusive "bike path rapist" linked to nine sexual attacks on women in
Amherst, Buffalo and Hamburg in the 1980s and 1990s. Two of his victims were
killed during the assaults.
An autopsy revealed no signs of sexual assault but other similarities
between Diver's death and the bike path rapist cases were indeed striking:
First, she was a woman attacked on a bike path. The bike path rapist
approached his victims on bike paths, a park and near railroad tracks.
Diver went missing 16 years to the day that University at Buffalo
student Linda Yalem, the victim of the bike path rapist, was killed on an
Amherst bike path. On Sept. 24, a memorial run was held for Yalem on the
North Campus. The autopsy showed Diver had been strangled with some sort of
ligature. She also suffered some form of "blunt force trauma." The ligature
was the bike path rapist's trademark. He used a device that didn't leave any
fiber or other trace evidence behind when wrapped around his victims' necks.
He usually used the ligature to render this victims unconscious, before
raping them.
Diver's body was found partially clothed. The bike path rapist always
raped or tried to rape his victims.
Investigators in the Diver case were waiting for results of forensic
tests from her body that could have been compared with the bike path rapist
samples.
Police have matching DNA evidence in seven of the confirmed "bike path
rapist" cases - including both homicides. Over the years, Erie County's
crime lab workers have compared the bike path rapist's DNA profile against
tens of thousands of others in law enforcement databases across the country.
They have yet to get a hit.
They began to doubt that the bike path rapist had attacked Diver after
the initial autopsy results on her failed to find any signs of a sexual
assault.
Now, with no trace of foreign DNA on Diver's body, investigators have
no leads. "When you have a woman killed on a deserted country path, normally
there's a rape or robbery involved," Clark said. "Neither appears to be a
viable motive. So you have to start looking at other areas."
Investigators knew the chances were slim that a serial killer had
murdered Diver.
Studies have shown that most homicide victims usually aren't killed by
strangers.
Last year, only a quarter of the nation's murder victims didn't know
their assailants, according to FBI figures. An analysis by Washington-based
Violence Policy Center of girls and women murdered by males in 2004 showed
that 92 percent were killed by a boy or man they knew. In New York State, 88
percent of female victims knew their male killers, the study found.
Investigators in Diver's murder are now hoping for tips from the
public to help them solve the case.
They are also canvassing the neighborhoods and talking to family and
acquaintances in search of any possible hints as to who may have killed
her - and why.
Anyone with information pertaining to the case or who may have seen
Joan Diver, or her car, on the morning of Friday, Sept. 29, is asked to call
the Sheriff's Office at 667-5201.
Clarence business owners are offering more than $100,000 as a reward
to anyone with information that leads to the arrest and conviction of
Diver's killer.
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20061007/1022695.asp
JonesieCat
"tiny dancer" <tinyda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I still believe the husb is not a person of interest in some way, despite
the LE denial. Unless he has a good alibi, I can't recall if he does or not?
IAC, I still think it was a stranger, for now, and not the husb. As for 'no
foreign DNA' - could it mean the bike path rapist has better perfected his
MO? Like, eg now shaving his body hair, and eg switching to a full-length
lycra bike suit? And if it IS the bike path rapist - or whoever it is - it
could very well be that he got interrupted during his attack on her. That
would explain her partial state of undress, and rape averted. Could explain
her car moved too, maybe.
The car being moved is the most curious aspect of this crime imo. It does
tend to make me suspect the husb, I admit. He would be comfortable in his
wife's car, either driving her (alive and talking) from one part of the park
to another, or driving her body from one place to another to avoid detection
if someone came along during the attack. I wish the husb wouldn't have
lawyered up so fast. But I still tend to think it wasn't him, but was indeed
the bike past rapist.
I also think the report of her car being seen at two diff locations in the
park may be mistaken. (I mean, in cases like this, they pro'bly also got
reports of her being seen in 7-11s too, long after she was dead. Those
'sightings' seem to be so common.) I also don't believe that once dead, her
body was taken away and then returned & dumped the next day. (Someone
speculated about that in another post.)
I just think LE was extra-overzealous in investigating her husb which made
him retreat to some lawyer's office. Maybe LE folks were rushing to
judgement, since we do know that most often the spouse is the guilty party,
a la Hacking. Of course, Hacking's wife never made it to the jogging trail.
I don't think Diver killed his wife, that is, =so far= I don't. jc
Kris Baker
"JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
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I agree with td's "hmmmmm". "No foreign DNA" (to me) means
that there's no unexpected DNA.
What they'll find in the vehicle isn't so much something foreign,
as the seat in the wrong position (a common mistake that even
Genius Hacking couldn't help but commit).
If her car was seen in two places, that's one place for a body
dump and then another to park it.
Unless something else comes along, I'll go with Mr. Diver for
$500, Alex.
Kris
JonesieCat
"Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyyyy.net> wrote in message
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Awww, I know it's usually the Mr. But dang it, they have 4 kids. I don't
want it to be him, see? I want it to be the bike path rapist - and for him
to be caught. Naturally, because there is no "foreign DNA", it means that
there was indeed NON-foreign DNA there: hers and hubby's. And the
children's. I'd have expected they'd have also found DNA from the kids'
friends, who could not ruled be out this quickly as non-foreign DNA? DNA
testing takes time. Makes me skeptical of their collection & testing
process. The only reason LE's saying the husb isn't a POI is because husb's
hired a lawyer, so LE is backpedaling to explain why they did not read him
his rights, most likely. But I doan care. Mr. Diver didn't do it. no no no.
dang it. Good point about car position at the body dump + at parking lot = 2
locations, okay. Yep, it's the car movement that's telling. But I'll wait to
see how reliable that reported sighting is. Or if there is more than one
witness to that. Dang it. jc
Kris Baker
"JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
>
>
> Awww, I know it's usually the Mr. But dang it, they have 4 kids. I don't
> want it to be him, see? I want it to be the bike path rapist - and for him
> to be caught. Naturally, because there is no "foreign DNA", it means that
> there was indeed NON-foreign DNA there: hers and hubby's. And the
> children's. I'd have expected they'd have also found DNA from the kids'
> friends, who could not ruled be out this quickly as non-foreign DNA? DNA
> testing takes time. Makes me skeptical of their collection & testing
> process. The only reason LE's saying the husb isn't a POI is because
> husb's hired a lawyer, so LE is backpedaling to explain why they did not
> read him his rights, most likely. But I doan care. Mr. Diver didn't do it.
> no no no. dang it. Good point about car position at the body dump + at
> parking lot = 2 locations, okay. Yep, it's the car movement that's
> telling. But I'll wait to see how reliable that reported sighting is. Or
> if there is more than one witness to that. Dang it. jc
I know, I know....but the bikepath rapist hasn't struck since when?
1812?
This story says that no DNA but her own was found, and that she
wasn't sexually assaulted. So someone decided to bludgeon her
on the head and kill her while she jogged, just because......?
There's a HUGE clue in this story, I think. Can anyone else spot it?
http://www.wivb.com/Global/story.asp?S=5508134
Authorities Release Some Results from Diver Murder Investigation
Oct 6, 2006 03:37 PM MDT
(Buffalo, NY, October 6, 2006) - - While her family mourns her loss,
investigators are intensifying their search for Joan Diver's killer. But,
DNA tests results from the crime scene don't appear to be helping them. News
4's Jodi Hovenden has the very latest on the investigation.
Authorities are releasing some results from DNA found in the Joan Diver
murder investigation and they are not linking her murder to any other crimes
including the bike path rapist.
At this point, authorities tell us tests results indicate they have not
found any DNA other than Joan Diver's.
They have also not found any forensic evidence that Mrs. Diver was sexually
assaulted, leaving them without a possible motive in this crime.
In the meantime, investigators are searching Joan Diver's vehicle. They want
to know if Mrs. Diver was the last person to drive the SUV.
They'll be searching for fingerprints and other forensic evidence and Mrs.
Diver's keys that are still missing.
Investigators applied for a search warrant when Mr. Diver failed to give
them permission to search the SUV. They say he also did not readily give a
DNA swab.
At this point, police do not have any suspects in the case.
earthage
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20061002/1026468.asp
Joan Diver, the youngest of seven children, was raised in Salt Lake
City, said her father, William Barney.
In the 1990s, she attended classes at the University of Utah, where she
met and fell in love with fellow student Steven Diver, and the couple
married during school, her father said. She graduated with degrees in
community health and nursing, while he earned an undergraduate degree.
The couple moved to Wisconsin, where her husband earned his doctorate,
and then to Boston, where Steven Diver did postdoctoral work at Harvard
University, her father said.
They have four children, 4 to 13 years old, and, for about five years,
the family has lived on Salt Road in Clarence.
In a phone interview from Salt Lake City before the body was found,
Barney, a retired physician, said he understood his daughter's fate was
uncertain at best.
earthage
>
> Diver went missing 16 years to the day that University at Buffalo
> student Linda Yalem, the victim of the bike path rapist, was killed on an
> Amherst bike path. On Sept. 24, a memorial run was held for Yalem on the
> North Campus. The autopsy showed Diver had been strangled with some sort of
> ligature. She also suffered some form of "blunt force trauma." The ligature
> was the bike path rapist's trademark. He used a device that didn't leave any
> fiber or other trace evidence behind when wrapped around his victims' necks.
> He usually used the ligature to render this victims unconscious, before
> raping them.
>
Authorities know that Joan Diver died from blunt-force trauma and from
being strangled with some kind of wire, cord or rope.
snip
"I would have to say she [Diver] was on the path when she was
accosted," Donovan said of the secluded path in Newstead.
Almost all the bike-path attacks occurred between 7:30 a.m. and 12:15
p.m., usually on weekdays.
Investigators say they believe Diver was attacked Friday, between 8:55
a.m., when she dropped off her child at day care, and roughly 12:30
p.m., when she was supposed to pick up that child.
earthage
Kris Baker wrote:
> "JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
> news:45285ba6$0$3249$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >
> >
> > Awww, I know it's usually the Mr. But dang it, they have 4 kids. I don't
> > want it to be him, see? I want it to be the bike path rapist - and for him
> > to be caught. Naturally, because there is no "foreign DNA", it means that
> > there was indeed NON-foreign DNA there: hers and hubby's. And the
> > children's. I'd have expected they'd have also found DNA from the kids'
> > friends, who could not ruled be out this quickly as non-foreign DNA? DNA
> > testing takes time. Makes me skeptical of their collection & testing
> > process. The only reason LE's saying the husb isn't a POI is because
> > husb's hired a lawyer, so LE is backpedaling to explain why they did not
> > read him his rights, most likely. But I doan care. Mr. Diver didn't do it.
> > no no no. dang it. Good point about car position at the body dump + at
> > parking lot = 2 locations, okay. Yep, it's the car movement that's
> > telling. But I'll wait to see how reliable that reported sighting is. Or
> > if there is more than one witness to that. Dang it. jc
>
> I know, I know....but the bikepath rapist hasn't struck since when?
> 1812?
>
> This story says that no DNA but her own was found, and that she
> wasn't sexually assaulted. So someone decided to bludgeon her
> on the head and kill her while she jogged, just because......?
Someone said they saw the car parked in two different places. Police
said she was probably killed on the path. If it's someone she knew,
were they with her in the car and she was dropped off at the path?
Only reason for moving the vehicle seems like it would be for the
killer to leave from a more inconspicuous location. Or they followed
her, parked their car further away, drove her car to their car. What
reasons for the car being moved? BTK often drove the victim's car,
but some distance.
Chocolic
Mr Diver's not letting authorities search the car (until they got the
warrant) has me hugely suspicious.
Chocolic
earthage
Kris Baker wrote:
> "JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
> news:45285ba6$0$3249$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >
> >
> > Awww, I know it's usually the Mr. But dang it, they have 4 kids. I don't
> > want it to be him, see? I want it to be the bike path rapist - and for him
> > to be caught. Naturally, because there is no "foreign DNA", it means that
> > there was indeed NON-foreign DNA there: hers and hubby's. And the
> > children's. I'd have expected they'd have also found DNA from the kids'
> > friends, who could not ruled be out this quickly as non-foreign DNA? DNA
> > testing takes time. Makes me skeptical of their collection & testing
> > process. The only reason LE's saying the husb isn't a POI is because
> > husb's hired a lawyer, so LE is backpedaling to explain why they did not
> > read him his rights, most likely. But I doan care. Mr. Diver didn't do it.
> > no no no. dang it. Good point about car position at the body dump + at
> > parking lot = 2 locations, okay. Yep, it's the car movement that's
> > telling. But I'll wait to see how reliable that reported sighting is. Or
> > if there is more than one witness to that. Dang it. jc
>
> I know, I know....but the bikepath rapist hasn't struck since when?
> 1812?
>
Excerpt from the Buffalo News:
Two elements of the Diver crime seemingly could argue against the
involvement of the bike-path rapist, but investigators and profilers
say those still could be explained.
The first involves the long gap - almost 12 years - between the last
known attack, in 1994, and Friday's killing.
The key here, investigators say, is "last known attack." The same
perpetrator might have committed other such crimes that never were
linked to the bike-path attacks. The attacker also could have been in
prison or living out of the area, investigators have said for years.
While serial killers and rapists usually do not go long periods before
resurfacing, McCrary, a profiler and co-author of "The Unknown
Darkness: Profiling the Predators Among Us," noted exceptions.
He cited Dennis Rader, "the BTK killer - he was dormant for a long
period of time."
Rader pleaded guilty last year to killing 10 people between 1974 and
1991 in the Wichita, Kan., area. He had seemed to vanish until 2004,
when he began sending letters and mementos from his killings to media
outlets.
The second question involves the attacker's age. At least two surviving
victims of attacks in the 1980s described their assailant as in his
30s. That would mean the man now is in his 50s.
But McCrary said getting older does not cure a psychopathic rapist or
killer.
"This is such an extreme pathology that it isn't going to change
whatever drives someone to rape or murder," he said.
JonesieCat
>
> "JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
> news:45285ba6$0$3249$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>>
>> Awww, I know it's usually the Mr. But dang it, they have 4 kids. I don't
>> want it to be him, see? I want it to be the bike path rapist - and for
>> him to be caught. Naturally, because there is no "foreign DNA", it means
>> that there was indeed NON-foreign DNA there: hers and hubby's. And the
>> children's. I'd have expected they'd have also found DNA from the kids'
>> friends, who could not ruled be out this quickly as non-foreign DNA? DNA
>> testing takes time. Makes me skeptical of their collection & testing
>> process. The only reason LE's saying the husb isn't a POI is because
>> husb's hired a lawyer, so LE is backpedaling to explain why they did not
>> read him his rights, most likely. But I doan care. Mr. Diver didn't do
>> it. no no no. dang it. Good point about car position at the body dump +
>> at parking lot = 2 locations, okay. Yep, it's the car movement that's
>> telling. But I'll wait to see how reliable that reported sighting is. Or
>> if there is more than one witness to that. Dang it. jc
>
> I know, I know....but the bikepath rapist hasn't struck since when?
> 1812?
LOL! no! Surely not that long! The 16 yr anniversary of one victim was the
same day as Joan Diver's death, but aren't there 5-7 victims? 2 of them
murdered? I don't recall how recent tho.
> This story says that no DNA but her own was found, and that she
> wasn't sexually assaulted. So someone decided to bludgeon her
> on the head and kill her while she jogged, just because......?
Because they intended to rape/rob her but were interrupted somehow? And
forensic people don't always find helpful DNA - they just don't, for
whatever reason. Stories have described Joan Diver's clothes as being
partially off. I would like to know more about that.
> There's a HUGE clue in this story, I think. Can anyone else spot it?
>
> http://www.wivb.com/Global/story.asp?S=5508134
>
> Authorities Release Some Results from Diver Murder Investigation
>
> Oct 6, 2006 03:37 PM MDT
>
>
> (Buffalo, NY, October 6, 2006) - - While her family mourns her loss,
> investigators are intensifying their search for Joan Diver's killer. But,
> DNA tests results from the crime scene don't appear to be helping them.
> News 4's Jodi Hovenden has the very latest on the investigation.
>
> Authorities are releasing some results from DNA found in the Joan Diver
> murder investigation and they are not linking her murder to any other
> crimes including the bike path rapist.
LE's trying to apply pressure to the husb with this statement.
> At this point, authorities tell us tests results indicate they have not
> found any DNA other than Joan Diver's.
>
> They have also not found any forensic evidence that Mrs. Diver was
> sexually assaulted, leaving them without a possible motive in this crime.
>
> In the meantime, investigators are searching Joan Diver's vehicle. They
> want to know if Mrs. Diver was the last person to drive the SUV.
>
> They'll be searching for fingerprints and other forensic evidence and Mrs.
> Diver's keys that are still missing.
>
> Investigators applied for a search warrant when Mr. Diver failed to give
> them permission to search the SUV. They say he also did not readily give a
> DNA swab.
>
> At this point, police do not have any suspects in the case.
A huge clue here? What are you thinking of?
One thing I did find of interest is that authorities think they will be able
to tell if someone drove her car after she last did. The position of the
seat is all I can think of, as you mentioned too about Hacking. Her car was
one that also operated with a keypad iirc, in add'n to a conventional key.
Maybe they think finding the keys inside the car will indicate someone other
than she drove it last. One of the articles said she did not like/use the
keypad. Maybe her husb did use the keypad, and he just forgot her keys
inside her car, if he killed her, forgetting to leave them with her body
when dumped her on the bike path. But it wasn't him. ;-/ jc
JonesieCat
"earthage" <eartha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Yep, yep, yep. (and thx) Espec that she was actually accosted on the path,
and not dumped there. That helps to rule out the husb imo.
I think this LE outfit just has no idea, and are going by stats that say
husbs are the perps. Which means they're 'going by the book'. Not their
fault if the perp was not the husb and once again was able to get away. If
husb did it, he sure did well to make the crime so consistent with the known
rapist. I wonder just how similar Joan Diver's ligature was to the
rapist-murderer's other victims?
Her poor, poor children. Thx for that other article too, her bio.
jc
Chocolic
"JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
Or he used a condom? Once when I watched one of those CSI kind of
shows, they were able to find residue of a condom, but I don't know if
that's true or if it's showdom. I'm not savy about forensics in that
way but I think Kris (thru her daughter) knows more.
Chocolic
JonesieCat
"Chocolic" <chatter448@nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I think you're thinking of Linda's daughter in this instance. She's the
forensic professional who has even testified! Maybe Linda will ask her for
us. I do think they'd have looked for condom residue, like you say, and
found it if it was there. I hope they are savvy enough for that. But I think
it isn't just lack of semen or condom residue that rules out sex attack - no
"foreign" hairs is the biggest arguement against the bike rapist imo. LE is
trying to say that NO ONE got close to her who's DNA came from outside her
family (or any benign source). (Some article say NO DNA was found. How could
that be?) jc
JonesieCat
If the bike path rapist really is a bike rider, he'd blend right in. As
would the lycra suits they wear, which would conceal body hair. Maybe with
age he's lost head hair, as a matter of fact, and shaves his arms, if
they're uncovered when he rides. And by this time, maybe age has caught up
with him, and that's why he didn't completely accomplish all he set out to
do? Rader was conscious of that in the months before he was caught. 12 years
does seem like a long time between attacks. Maybe he swore off that
behaviour, but while out riding, a seemingly perfect opp presented it self
in the form of poor Joan Diver?
Or maybe it's neither the bike path rapist/murderer nor her husband.
How can there be NO dna? Troubling.
jc
Chocolic
"JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
Gary Ridgeway had a long span between murders, though not that long.
Maybe the bikepath rapist was in jail serving a sentence for something
else?
The red flag for me on the husband is his reluctance to give
permission for authorities to search her car. Why would he do that if
he didn't do anything.
His lawyering up is understandable even if he is innocent. Heck, if
my husband fell down the ravine in back of our house, the authorities
would fer sure think I pushed him after reading my hard drive. I'd
lawyer up before the body was found.
Chocolic
Kris Baker
I'm thinking she was dumped on the path, with the car initially
parked near where the body was found. Then, the car is
moved to a more normal parking spot.....maybe one that the
perp knows she used.
But no one's caught the big clue yet ;)
Kris
Kris Baker
Me, too. But that's not the clue I'm seeing.
Kris
Kris Baker
"JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
> >
> How can there be NO dna? Troubling.
>
> jc
She was bludgeoned to death, and there's no evidence of a
sexual assault. This wasn't a rapist. She was targeted
for some reason.
Kris
Kris Baker
"JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
You're getting warm on the huge clue.
Kris
vassargirl
within spitting distance of the bike path....
I see that several people have commented on the oddity of the SUV
being allegedly moved, which undoubtedly is odd. However, to my
thinking, the situation is even MORE puzzling if the SUV was not moved
at all, given the layout of the "Peanut Line" bike path and its
proximity to Mrs Diver's home.
Here's a bike path map link:
http://www.asaransom.com/images/bikemap.jpg ( Unfortunately, not all
street names are visible on this map ).
Now, Mrs Diver lived near the intersection of Salt Rd + Howe. The body
was found east of the Salt Rd bike trail entrance- about 1/2 mile east
of Davison Rd, on the stretch just past Kreher's Eggs and the Garden
in the Hollow Nursery. This would be consistant with Mrs Diver starting
her jog at the entrance nearest her house. But what reason could she
have for parking all the way down at Shisler Road ( past the Clarence
Town Park, a 10 minute drive from Salt + Howe ), only to jog back in
the same direction, pass her street, and keep on going? It would only
make sense for her to park at the Shisler Rd. entrance if she intended
to jog WEST, in the direction of the high school. Or, if she wished to
jog in the direction of the Town Park, she could have started at Salt
and headed east. It's completely illogical for her to drive 10 minutes
out of her way, only to head back in the same direction. This is only
the opinion of an avid biker, mind you, but I definitely think it
should be considered.
Also, I'm surprised that nobody has brought up the possibility of the
murderer having an accomplice....
vassargirl
Ooops! Correction on my previous post: I should have said West Shore
bike trail, NOT "Peanut Line". Sorry!
vassargirl
vassargirl
Kris Baker
"vassargirl" <moti...@aol.com> wrote in message
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This seems like a crime of passion to me. IF she parked the
car herself, in the location you see as odd, I'm wondering if she
was meeting someone else there.......and got caught.
The big clue I've been mentioning is the missing car keys. She
didn't have them on her, and they weren't in the car. One mistake
that a killer makes is not moving the seats/armrests to the position
that the victim would have them in. Another is taking the keys
with them, when they leave. I don't think Joan Diver parked the
car where it was found.
Since you're local, how about driving past the Diver home and
seeing if her husband has a white pickup truck ;)
Kris
Kris Baker
>
> Ooops! Correction on my previous post: I should have said West Shore
> bike trail, NOT "Peanut Line". Sorry!
I got out my trusty mapping software, but didn't have addresses. :(
Kris
earthage2002
Here's a few other maps:
http://www.classicbuffalo.com/images/outdoors/PeanutLine.gif
http://www.classicbuffalo.com/images/outdoors/ClarencePathwaysMap.jpg
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earthage2002
dumped. There's also this.
http://news.pajamasmedia.com/politics/2006/10/06/11247417_100000_raised_as.shtml
Investigators have determined that Steven Diver was at work at UB's North
Campus in Amherst between the time his wife dropped off their youngest son
at day care at about 9 a.m. on Sept. 29 and when she failed to pick up the
child at about 12:30 p.m., Kenyon said.
Kris Baker
"earthage2002" <eartha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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But LE really wants him to talk to them, and it sounds like he won't.
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20061006/1003543.asp
I really think she was dumped....or the body significantly moved.
Her body was found 30 yards off the path, in heavy brush. The
cops didn't find her; the volunteers found her, a day later.
Whoever killed her, didn't find her while she was jogging in
the heavy brush......and if she was killed IN that brush, there'd
be signs. Car keys missing, body three miles from the car.
There's no DNA, no sign of rape or robbery. They're back
to friends and family for clues. Either the reporter is making
stuff up here, or got clues from the investigators:
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20061007/1022695.asp
She fought her attacker; whoever talks, wants to heal.
I dunno.....I'm just getting "closest person" vibes on this
one.
Kris
earthage2002
>
> "earthage2002" <eartha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyyyy.net> wrote in message
>> news:bV8Wg.9913$vJ2....@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
>>>
>>
I find his reluctance to cooperate strange, too. Plus her family was told
by
the sheriff's office about her disappearance.
http://www.wgrz.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=41557&provider=top
Erie County District Attorney Frank Clark also tells Channel 2 News Diver's
husband, Steve, would not submit to a DNA swab. 2 on Your Side spoke with
the Diver family attorney. He explained they just buried their wife and
mother, are grieving, and not talking to the media.
Investigators have also confirmed that they have obtained a search warrant
for Joan Diver's SUV. The blue vehicle was found at the entrance to the
Clarence bike path where Diver was found murdered. A Sheriff's department
spokesperson says the search of the vehicle was to begin sometime Friday.
Investigators say they have not spoken to Joan Diver's husband in several
days, allowing him time to grieve with his family. The funeral was held
Friday. Investigators say they would expect to talk to him again after the
funeral.
snip
Meanwhile, Joan Diver's family is arrived from Utah for the funeral. They
say they first learned of her disappearance late Friday night in a phone
call from the Erie County Sheriff's department.
=======================================
But when did it happen and why the vehicle move. If he was at the
university, he would have driven over in his own car and why move
her car. And apparently someone saw her jogging on the trail.
http://www.wgrz.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=41557&provider=top
During a Tuesday morning news conference, Donovan also said they believe
Diver's murder took place at that location, and that her body wasn't moved
from a different location. Donovan did say it appeared Diver struggled with
her attacker before she died.
Volunteers made up of family and friends, discovered Joan Diver's body
Sunday afternoon just 20 feet from the bike path where she was last seen
jogging. A source tells 2 On Your Side, her body was found partially clothed
in thick, wooded brush.
Cliff and Linda Griffith
> I think you're thinking of Linda's daughter in this instance. She's the
> forensic professional who has even testified! Maybe Linda will ask her for
> us.
I've sent y'all's exchange to her and asked her about condom residue. I'll
let you know what she says, but it may be awhile. She, her husband, and
some friends just returned yesterday from a cruise (lucky stiffs!); so she
may be catching up on her sleep before she has to go back to work.
Linda
Kris Baker
I think you move the car, so it's *far* from the body. That way, the
search
will focus on areas near the car, and when the body's eventually found,
the perp hopes LE figures she actually jogged that far. The car was
3 miles from the body.
I think the husband's actions show a bit of uh, healing, is needed
before he talks to LE face-to-face....and *why* couldn't he call
her family, personally?
At that point, she was just "missing". Wouldn't he call to see if
her family had heard from her? Certainly he wouldn't say she's
"misssssssssssssssing".
Kris
Kris Baker
"Cliff and Linda Griffith" <grif...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Aren't lLubricant and/or powder normally associated with condom
usage?
We know she was partially clothed...but not which parts were off,
or if the clothing was missing.
Kris
earthage2002
http://www.legacy.com/buffalonews/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=19459609
earthage2002
It sounds like she could have walked to an entrance so why would
she have driven to one?
oneofthesearchers
pick up her child at 11:30, not 12:30 (the news is wrong). The person
who saw her car at 2 different spots is very reliable. He is a college
professor and was at the college at the time of her disappearance.
Kris Baker
She could have started jogging at her house ;)
I've been going back and reading the coverage.
Why does a stay-at-home mother need day care for a four-year-
old son, for what.....four? 8:55am to 1pm.
Why would the husband immediately call the police, when she didn't
pick the boy up at 1pm....and pretty much send them right to
the jogging path? (Why wouldn't he go pick up the boy, and
then drive over to the jogging path himself?????)
Why not put on the jogging clothes, drop off the boy, and then
start jogging? She dropped the boy off while wearing street
clothes, then went home to change. The clothes not on the
body, were found nearby (also missed by the first search)
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20061005/1035866.asp.
Kris
Kris Baker
"oneofthesearchers" <LAdam...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Now they're saying it's a white Ford Ranger.
If the professor was at the college at the time she disappeared, how
did he see her car in two different places? (Or did I misunderstand?)
Kris
E/C Annie
Kris Baker wrote:
> Why does a stay-at-home mother need day care for a four-year-
> old son, for what.....four? 8:55am to 1pm.
>
My daughter is an only child and I was a stay-at-home mom. When she
turned 3, I put her in day care 3 mornings a week for the sole purpose
of interacting with other young children. I babysat during this time,
but all the kids were several years older than her...school-age kids.
We lived in a rural area with very few children in our neighborhood -
not sure you could call it a neighborhood as we were planted on one
acre in the middle of a huge farm.
annie
JonesieCat
True. From the article you posted, in which it was said the autopsy found no
evidence of rape, "Diver's body was found partially clothed. The bike path
rapist always raped or tried to rape his victims." So it's unlikely any
condom debris was found, because if it was a rapist with a condom, he
pro'bly didn't get around to using it. Still, I sure hope those forensic
folks knew not just to collect fibres, hairs etc, but to collect swabs from
all over her and her clothes. I'm not sure they did. jc
oneofthesearchers
when his wife disappeared. Their son went to pre-school, not day care.
The day care contacted him when his wife did not show up.
JonesieCat
Now hang on, don't forget this quote from the article you posted: "... body
was found partially clothed. The bike path rapist always raped or tried to
rape his victims." The reporter thought there might be an attempted sexual
assault. The way it's written, it looks like maybe the bike path rapist did
not always succeed in raping his vics? jc
JonesieCat
>
> "JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
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>>
>> news:1160278212.0...@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> Kris Baker wrote:
>>>> "JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
>>>
>>> Excerpt from the Buffalo News:
>>>
>>> Two elements of the Diver crime seemingly could argue against the
>>> involvement of the bike-path rapist, but investigators and profilers
>>> say those still could be explained.
>>>
>>> The first involves the long gap - almost 12 years - between the last
>>> known attack, in 1994, and Friday's killing.
>>>
>>> The key here, investigators say, is "last known attack." The same
>>> perpetrator might have committed other such crimes that never were
>>> linked to the bike-path attacks. The attacker also could have been in
>>> prison or living out of the area, investigators have said for years.
>>>
>>> While serial killers and rapists usually do not go long periods before
>>> resurfacing, McCrary, a profiler and co-author of "The Unknown
>>> Darkness: Profiling the Predators Among Us," noted exceptions.
>>>
>>> He cited Dennis Rader, "the BTK killer - he was dormant for a long
>>> period of time."
>>>
>>> Rader pleaded guilty last year to killing 10 people between 1974 and
>>> 1991 in the Wichita, Kan., area. He had seemed to vanish until 2004,
>>> when he began sending letters and mementos from his killings to media
>>> outlets.
>>>
>>> The second question involves the attacker's age. At least two surviving
>>> victims of attacks in the 1980s described their assailant as in his
>>> 30s. That would mean the man now is in his 50s.
>>>
>>> But McCrary said getting older does not cure a psychopathic rapist or
>>> killer.
>>>
>>> "This is such an extreme pathology that it isn't going to change
>>> whatever drives someone to rape or murder," he said.
>>
>> If the bike path rapist really is a bike rider, he'd blend right in. As
>> would the lycra suits they wear, which would conceal body hair. Maybe
>> with age he's lost head hair, as a matter of fact, and shaves his arms,
>> if they're uncovered when he rides. And by this time, maybe age has
>> caught up with him, and that's why he didn't completely accomplish all he
>> set out to do? Rader was conscious of that in the months before he was
>> caught. 12 years does seem like a long time between attacks. Maybe he
>> swore off that behaviour, but while out riding, a seemingly perfect opp
>> presented it self in the form of poor Joan Diver?
>>
>> Or maybe it's neither the bike path rapist/murderer nor her husband.
>>
>> How can there be NO dna? Troubling.
>>
>> jc
>
> the bikepath rapist was in jail serving a sentence for something else?
>
> The red flag for me on the husband is his reluctance to give permission
> for authorities to search her car. Why would he do that if he didn't do
> anything.
>
> His lawyering up is understandable even if he is innocent. Heck, if my
> husband fell down the ravine in back of our house, the authorities would
> fer sure think I pushed him after reading my hard drive. I'd lawyer up
> before the body was found.
>
> Chocolic
Once a person has lawyered up, the lawyer takes over and advised NO
"cooperation" with LE at all, regardless of true innocence or guilt. That is
why the husb is forcing LE to get warrants for everything - he's doing what
he's told. I think LE let him know loud & clear they thought he did it. So
now he's not dealing with them at all, cause he thinks they're trying to pin
it on him. jc
oneofthesearchers
JonesieCat
It's GREAT having a local post here! Good! As for accomplices, in this kind
of crime, at least the ones we've discussed here - I don't get an
'accomplice' feel. Either it's someone close to her, like Kris says, the
husb (or maybe she had a lover for that matter), or else it's a sexual
predator who got interrupted. Neither of these says '2 people' to me. If it
had been two people, I'd have expected for the assault to be more, uh,
thorough and also for her car to be stolen probably.
I'd like to hear more about your thoughts on the possible logistics of the
crime. jc
Kris Baker
"JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
But he always managed to sexually assault them, from what I
can read here.
http://www.courttv.com/news/hiddentraces/yalem/yalem_page1.html
The double ligature, like wire or tubing......a medical thing?
Kris
earthage2002
"JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
and it was volunteers searching on their own that found the body.
JonesieCat
Good idea, lol! I have to agree, those keys give me a 'personal' vibe too,
that maybe a co-owner of the car unconsciously stuck 'em in his pocket. But
by the same token, if she had them on her, and she tried to use them as a
weapon (poke his eye, say), her attacker may have quickly stuck them inside
his lycra shorts or a bum bag if he had one - or tossed them way off in the
distance, as he was dragging her into the brush, and they've been trampled
into the dirt unfound. I dunno. I even wonder if it was a local teenager who
did this. And maybe he wanted her car, or Gowd knows what, but then got
scared and left it. IF she was indeed attacked there on the path, surely it
wasn't the husb - I just don't believe it. Whoever did it, tho, was very
determined and strong, to have dragged her so far off the path, apparently
fighting all the way.
Hope we hear more about the reliability of the moved-car reports. jc
justwondering
news>
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20061005/1035866.asp
all nine known victims of the bike path rapist were raped
earthage2002
"justwondering" <bst...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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Here's more on the victimsand attacks of the bike path rapist:
http://www.student-affairs.buffalo.edu/public-safety/homicide.shtml
Unsolved Homicide
On Saturday, September 29, 1990, Linda S. Yalem, a 22 year old student, left
her dormitory residence at the University at Buffalo to go running on the
Ellicott Creek bicycle path at approximately 12:15 PM. Her body was found
the next day in thick underbrush near the path. She had been raped and
strangled. The cause of her death was asphyxiation due to ligature
strangulation. DNA from this crime link the suspect to other area rapes.
Eight sex attacks may be linked to one rapist. The six victims who could
describe their attacker said he is a white male, between 25 and 40 years
old, of short-to-medium height, with dark hair, a moustache and thick
eyebrows.
Attack 1
Date: June 12, 1986, 9:30 AM
Location: Delaware Park, Buffalo
Victim: Middle-age jogger
Means of attack: The rapist jogged toward his victim, passed her and then
attacked her from behind. Used a cord that he tightened to gain control of
his victim. Took her to some underbrush near the path. Later tightened the
cord until she lost consciousness.
Link to suspect: DNA match
Attack 2
Date: July 14, 1986, 9:20 AM
Location: Shortcut path near a Hamburg High School
Victim: High school student
Means of attack: Attacked her from behind, with a white clothesline that he
tightened to gain control of her. Forced her to a cutoff in the path about
300 yards away.
Link to suspect: Location, time of day and M.O.
Attack 3
Date: June 10, 1988
Location: Shortcut path to Riverside High School in Buffalo
Victim: High school student
Means of attack: Walked toward her and after passing her, attacked her with
what she felt was a wire. Forced her to walk about 600 feet to a junkyard,
where he used gray duct tape to tape her mouth.
Link to suspect: DNA match
Attack 4
Date: May 1, 1989
Location: Same path as Attack 3
Victim: High school student
Means of attack: Walked toward her on the path and smiled as he passed her.
Then attacked her with a rope, forced her to an abandoned building and gave
her white tape to tape her eyes.
Link to suspect: DNA match
Attack 5
Date: August 24, 1989
Location: Willow Ridge bicycle path, Town of Amherst
Victim: High school student
Means of attack: Attacked her from behind using a rope that he tightened
around her neck to control her. Forced her to a nearby clearing, where he
tied her hands behind her back and used white adhesive tape to secure her
hands, eyes and mouth. May have had a knife. Brought the victim in and out
of consciousness and left her for dead.
Link to suspect: DNA match
Attack 6
Date: May 31, 1990, 7:30 AM
Location: Ellicott Creek bicycle path, Town of Amherst
Victim: Woman in her 30's, walking on path
Means of attack: Attacked her from behind and immediately rendered her
unconscious with a cord tightened around her neck. Victim dragged to a
clearing in the underbrush, but never saw the rapist and was unconscious
throughout the attack.
Link to suspect: Location, time of day and M.O.
Attack 7
Date: September 29, 1990, 12:15 PM
Location: Ellicott Creek bicycle path, Town of Amherst
Victim: Linda S. Yalem, 22, UB student and jogger
Means of attack: Unknown. Body was discovered the next day in thick
underbrush near the path. She had been raped and strangled. Cause of death
was asphyxiation due to ligature strangulation. Her mouth and nose both had
been taped.
Link to suspect: DNA match
Attack 8
Date: October 19, 1994, 8:00 AM
Location: Behind a junkyard at 276 Military Road near Hertel Avenue in the
Riverside section of Buffalo
Victim: 14 year old girl
Means of attack: Victim grabbed from behind, used rope and tape
Link to suspect: M.O.
earthage2002
"JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
Investigators also say that they haven't been able to find Joan Diver's car
keys. The Explorer is equipped for keyless entry, but investigators said
they've learned that Joan Diver wasn't very adept at using it.
Investigators want to search the car to see whether Diver had hidden an
ignition key in the vehicle - or if the keys are truly missing.
Cyli
wrote:
>One thing I did find of interest is that authorities think they will be able
>to tell if someone drove her car after she last did. The position of the
>seat is all I can think of, as you mentioned too about Hacking. Her car was
>one that also operated with a keypad iirc, in add'n to a conventional key.
>Maybe they think finding the keys inside the car will indicate someone other
>than she drove it last. One of the articles said she did not like/use the
>keypad. Maybe her husb did use the keypad, and he just forgot her keys
>inside her car, if he killed her, forgetting to leave them with her body
>when dumped her on the bike path. But it wasn't him. ;-/ jc
>
If she didn't wear gloves, her palm prints and fingerprints should be
evident in the vehicle and on the steering wheel. If they're overlaid
with other prints or obliterated by a driver wearing gloves, there's
the clue.
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>
> "JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Chocolic" <chatter448@nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Rq8Wg.222907$QM6.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> "cooperation" with LE at all, regardless of true innocence or guilt. That
>> is why the husb is forcing LE to get warrants for everything - he's doing
>> what he's told. I think LE let him know loud & clear they thought he did
>> it. So now he's not dealing with them at all, cause he thinks they're
>> trying to pin it on him. jc
> He could also be angry with LE because LE cut the search off early
> and it was volunteers searching on their own that found the body.
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Whoa. I thought LE was with the searchers that day, at least nominally? I'd
be pretty g.d. angry myself. jc
JonesieCat
I'm getting confused about the timeline of the investigation. Knew about the
keypad, but I thought by now they'd already gotten inside the car with a
warrant and found the keys well and truly gone? jc
earthage2002
"JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
>
> I'm getting confused about the timeline of the investigation. Knew about
> the keypad, but I thought by now they'd already gotten inside the car with
> a warrant and found the keys well and truly gone? jc
This article was before they searched the car, but it was another reason
they wanted to search the vehicle.
earthage2002
"JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
http://www.wben.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=05919
Body Found On Clarence Bike Path
Monday, October 2, 2006 05:47 AM - WBEN Newsroom
WBEN Reporter Steve Schnepf
Clarence, NY (WBEN) - Erie Count Sheriff's Deputies are awaiting autopsy
results on the body of a woman found along a bike path in Clarence yesterday
before they positively identify her, but the discovery is sending chills
through the quiet town.
The body was found by volunteers who resumed the search for missing mother
Joan Diver after deputies had called off their search. And investigators
say they know for sure until the autopsy results are in, but are
"99-percent" sure that the woman was the victim of foul play.
JonesieCat
"Cyli" <cyl...@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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If her prints are smudged, I don't think that's a clue, unfortunately. It's
just common. Same with her husb's prints, if found in her car. It is
interesting to consider whether forensic folks form opinions as to whether
some prints are located 'on top' of other prints. I don't think I've ever
read of such detailed expert testimony at any trial, but it doesn't mean
they don't have opinions about it. hmmm.
This car thing, and it getting moved from one location to another. Hard to
know what's going on with that. Reports say it is one unidentified witness
who "may" have seen the car parked at a location other than the one in which
it was found. So hard to know if that's credible. What are the
possibilities:
1) The car was never parked in more than one location.
I tend to believe this one.
2) JD moved the car herself
Or, I sort of lean toward this one, depending on the witness. That is, JD
may have hesitated over which path she wanted to take, and drove to one
before changing her mind and heading to a diff one. It also may explain why
she took her car at all - changed her mind about how far from home she was
going to go to run.
3) JD's killer moved her car.
If her killer moved it, either his finger prints are in the car for
investigators to find, and,
a) investigators find them, and they are "foreign" prints, indicating a
stranger crime, or
b) investigators find them and they are "non-foreign" prints - so
investigators are unable to ID them (yet) as belonging to the killer, and
are unable to know if anyone other than the dead woman moved her car.
or, her killer didn't leave any prints behind. So LE is unable to know if
anyone other than the dead woman moved her car.
jc (how I do go onnnn)
JonesieCat
Doesn't inspire faith in the powers that be. Not one little bit. Bet they
were none too happy to be shown up by the volunteers. So they went on their
merry way, the sheriff's people, and immed alienated the victim's husb. Um
hm. And declared no "foreign" DNA anywhere. rigggght. jc
earthage2002
"JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
> were none too happy to be shown up by the volunteers. So they went on
> their merry way, the sheriff's people, and immed alienated the victim's
> husb. Um hm. And declared no "foreign" DNA anywhere. rigggght. jc
sounds like a local, reported the volunteers consisted of 28 families.
http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=276324&highlight=Diver
vassargirl
very interesting. Although LE feels that the body was probably not
moved from a different location to the place at which it was found, it
nonetheless seems highly probable that is was moved at some point.
After all, given the logistics and remote location of the bike path, it
would be extremely easy to transport the body down the path in a
wheelbarrow or similar "quiet" method. Heck, I do the same thing all
the time with big rocks in my yard ( Clarence has VERY rocky soil! ).
Also, to clarify what I meant earlier regarding the possibility of an
accomplice; I didn't mean that perhaps two individuals attacked JD
together. Rather, I meant that there is always the possibility in a
case like this that one person ( say, someone with a perfectly
watertight alibi ) is the "mastermind" and another ( lover, hit man, or
what-have-you ) actually carries out the killing. This certainly has
been the case with other murders recently in the news. This method
would allow the most obvious suspect to sit comfortably at his desk at
work talking to co-workers and making phone calls while oh-so-visibly
far from the crime scene. ( And note that I DIDN'T name names here, so
none of you posters who have been very defensive about Mr Diver's
supposed innocence need to get your knickers in a twist...). I'm sure
that I'm not the only one curious about whether or not there was an
insurance policy on Mrs Diver, and/or what the couple's financial
situation might have been like lately. ( Yes, it's none of our
business, but it might be very telling. ) After all, even $10,000 is a
windfall to someone desperate; don't forget Dr. Pignataro, who
attempted to poison his wife and children in order to get cash to feed
his drug addiction! Many people who knew him said that he was a "nice
guy" also.
In regard to the original appearance of a Linda Yellem/ bike path
rapist connection: if any of you have been at UB lately you most likely
noticed that there have been any number advertising the Linda Yellem
Memorial Run, a worthy cause which benefits campus safety initiatives.
( An earlier poster kindly provided this link:
http://www.student-affairs.buffalo.edu/public-safety/homicide.shtml ).
It wouldn't take much time or imagination for a person who planned to
kill poor JD to find out a wee bit about the Bike Path Rapist's usual
modus operandi and attempt to replicate it during or after the murder,
to throw LE off the scent. Or rather, to attempt replicating at least
the surface appearence of a rape/ murder (e.g., use of a ligature, torn
and partially removed clothing, etc... ). Very curious how there is no
evidence of an actual sexual assault, nor any foreign DNA. I can't
imagine that the attacker would have worn a haz-mat suit, complete with
protective facial gear. Perhaps she was stangled just for appearance's
sake AFTER she died from blunt trauma.
And still no sign of the car keys, even after extensive LE
searching with metal detectors...
Kris Baker
Hmmmmm....stick around. You'll like this place ;)
UB = University of Buffalo? We're posting from all over the world,
but everyone quickly does their own research when an interesting
case like this comes along. Nature may abhor a vacuum, but we
just love a mystery.
What you're said is what I've been mulling in my mind.
ALSO: I don't know if anyone else mentioned this, but Joan was
45, and her husband 37. That's quite an age difference when
you have four children between the ages of 4 and 13. It's also
a difference that shows up when the wife approaches mid-life,
and the husband starts feeling his own oats.
Kris
Damn North Korea
vassargirl
Oooh- good point on the age difference! Don't know how I missed it in
the news reports.
JonesieCat
Espec with 4 kids 4-13? How so?
And vassargirl is getting me to warm to the idea of a murder for hire
scenario. Maybe.
jc
Agreed re N. Kor.
vassargirl
Yes, you're right that to many people an older woman/ younger man age
difference really doesn't matter much. But I agree with the others that
the age difference here is something that definitely should be
regarded. After all, here's a fellow who got married and had his first
child hot on the heels of finishing his B.A. degree. Then, in short
order, he started a demanding graduate school program ( Harvard ), then
came work, work, work- along with three more children. Having had my
own first child very shortly after finishing college ( smack
dab in the middle of my first and only year of grad school ) I can tell
you that it was definitely no picnic, financially speaking...and
emotionally it was pretty challenging also. None of those carefree
young adult years of traveling, "finding oneself", etc... If Mrs Diver
supported her husband throughout his graduate school years, then later
gave up her own career in order to raise their children, any possible
divorce settlement would most likely be highly in her favor financially
( Not that I'm pointing fingers, mind you ).
Another interesting point- the Diver's house has an attached garage.
It wouldn't be too difficult for someone to enter the house while JD
was dropping off the 4 year old at nursery school, then cosh her over
the head when she returned, load the body into the back of her SUV,
cover it up with a blanket, and take it to a different location ( such
as the bike trail ). Then the body could be unloaded at a convenient
time later and the car reparked somewhere else.
Also, it is possible to drive on the bike path for a short distance
alongside/ adjacent to Clarence town park. Just a thought...
Kris Baker
"JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
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Her age (45) with children 4-13 means she married late, after working
for years. Every time she and her husband go to a school function,
she's at least 10 years older than most mothers of 13-year-olds....and
20 years older than most mothers of 4-year-olds. You've got a
37-year-old husband sitting there, looking at 25-year-old mothers....
then looking at his wife who's almost ten years older than him.
I can imagine strains, especially if she's approaching The Big Change.
HE may not feel it, but she may.
I'm sniffing "affair" (hers probably, maybe his). I reserve the right
to change my mind, when the next news story comes out ;)
Kris
misn...@webtv.net
haha
Kris Baker
<misn...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>
> one of the searchers needs to keep their "firsthand facts" straight.
> haha
Kinda like the Jill Metzger "insider" we have visiting now?
Kris
b
> "JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
> >
> >
> > Awww, I know it's usually the Mr. But dang it, they have 4 kids. I don't
> > want it to be him, see? I want it to be the bike path rapist - and for him
> > to be caught. Naturally, because there is no "foreign DNA", it means that
> > there was indeed NON-foreign DNA there: hers and hubby's. And the
> > children's. I'd have expected they'd have also found DNA from the kids'
> > friends, who could not ruled be out this quickly as non-foreign DNA? DNA
> > testing takes time. Makes me skeptical of their collection & testing
> > process. The only reason LE's saying the husb isn't a POI is because
> > husb's hired a lawyer, so LE is backpedaling to explain why they did not
> > read him his rights, most likely. But I doan care. Mr. Diver didn't do it.
> > no no no. dang it. Good point about car position at the body dump + at
> > parking lot = 2 locations, okay. Yep, it's the car movement that's
> > telling. But I'll wait to see how reliable that reported sighting is. Or
> > if there is more than one witness to that. Dang it. jc
>
> I know, I know....but the bikepath rapist hasn't struck since when?
> 1812?
>
> wasn't sexually assaulted. So someone decided to bludgeon her
> on the head and kill her while she jogged, just because......?
>
> There's a HUGE clue in this story, I think. Can anyone else spot it?
>
> http://www.wivb.com/Global/story.asp?S=5508134
>
> Authorities Release Some Results from Diver Murder Investigation
>
> Oct 6, 2006 03:37 PM MDT
>
>
>
> (Buffalo, NY, October 6, 2006) - - While her family mourns her loss,
> investigators are intensifying their search for Joan Diver's killer. But,
> DNA tests results from the crime scene don't appear to be helping them. News
> 4's Jodi Hovenden has the very latest on the investigation.
>
> Authorities are releasing some results from DNA found in the Joan Diver
> murder investigation and they are not linking her murder to any other crimes
> including the bike path rapist.
>
> At this point, authorities tell us tests results indicate they have not
> found any DNA other than Joan Diver's.
>
> They have also not found any forensic evidence that Mrs. Diver was sexually
> assaulted, leaving them without a possible motive in this crime.
>
> In the meantime, investigators are searching Joan Diver's vehicle. They want
> to know if Mrs. Diver was the last person to drive the SUV.
>
> They'll be searching for fingerprints and other forensic evidence and Mrs.
> Diver's keys that are still missing.
>
> Investigators applied for a search warrant when Mr. Diver failed to give
> them permission to search the SUV. They say he also did not readily give a
> DNA swab.
>
> At this point, police do not have any suspects in the case.
shouldn't they have found the husband's DNA on her?
keys are missing - is that the clue?
killer might have forgotten and put keys in his pocket..... or used own
set keys
i wonder if she usually left them in the car or carried them with her
if i drive to a path etc i usually do
JonesieCat
This makes a lot of sense. I do recall being the oldest mother in the room
myself on more than one occ. I guess with a younger enough husb, and if he
had a roving eye & longstanding resentment, it could be that one of them
would begin to be extra conscious of younger women.
> I'm sniffing "affair" (hers probably, maybe his). I reserve the right
> to change my mind, when the next news story comes out ;)
>
> Kris
The only thing is, if he kills her, he still has 4 children. I mean, it
isn't like offing the wife sets him free. Others folks would know if there
was strain in the marriage as well - they always do. Yes, wish that next
story would hurry up and come out! jc
oneofthesearchers
Created: 10/9/2006 4:44:06 PM
Updated: 10/10/2006 7:10:07 AM
The family of Joan Diver released a statement to the media Monday
afternoon.
Here is their complete statement:
"Although our family just said goodbye to Joan this weekend, we are
hurt by some of the misinformation that appears to be circulating. We
would like to provide some information and clear up some
misunderstandings.
When Steven got the call at work on Friday September 29th that Joan had
not picked up their four-year old from preschool, he called 911, rushed
to the preschool, then began to search for Joan. Steven knew that Joan
would not leave their son at school and that something was wrong.
After the police responded to Steven's 911 call, he spent approximately
six hours with the Erie County Sheriff's deputies. Steven provided all
the information he could, answered any questions the sheriff's had, and
traveled with them throughout the Clarence area looking for Joan. The
sheriff's also obtained a statement from Steven detailing all of this
information. Steven provided the sheriffs with their home computer and
spare keys to Joan's Ford Explorer.
Continuing on Saturday, September 30th, Steven continued to provide the
sheriff's with any information they requested, and anything he could
think of. The sheriffs had told Steven that they had searched Joan's
truck, inventoried its contents and started forensic searches,
including dusting of fingerprints. Joan's family and friends were
disheartened when the sheriff's ended the search on Saturday night,
especially with all the information that friends and family just
recently offered. That is why Steven, with the help of many friends and
neighbors, subsequently organized a volunteer search for Joan.
There appears to be a misunderstanding concerning the search of Joan's
truck. The Sheriff's office informed us on Saturday 9/30 that they
searched, inventoried and tested the truck. They also had the spare
keys. We were unclear why any consent was necessary at this point. We
are glad to see that this has been cleared up and that the police have
taken the necessary steps to continue the investigation.
There also appears to be confusion about DNA evidence. The Buffalo News
reported on Saturday morning that there was no DNA found, but other
reports in the media suggest that law enforcement want a DNA sample
from Steven. Because we want to keep the investigation moving forward,
Steven will willingly provide his DNA. Hopefully this will help the
police in focusing their investigation.
Thank you to the Community for all your support, care and prayers. Your
kindness and well wishes helps our family through this devastating
time. We continue to love and miss Joan.
-Diver Family, Clarence
tiny dancer
"oneofthesearchers" <LAdam...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Thanks for the update. I'm assuming Mrs. Diver had a cell phone? So I
don't find it that odd that her husband would report her as *missing* when
she didn't show to pick up her child from pre-school. My husband would have
known something was *really wrong* if I didn't show to pick up one of our
kids *and* didn't call to report I was 'running late', 'had car trouble',
'was delayed at a doctors visit', etc. When one is known for being
punctual, especially when it comes to ones children, *not* being there would
be a significant red flag IMO.
I also think she was attacked/killed where she was found. Most assualts on
jogging or biking paths *begin* on the path, but the victim is dragged off
the path into the woods, brush, etc. Perhaps the assailant was scared off
by the approach of others along that trail? Who know's? There do appear to
be other explanations as to why, if the goal was a sexual assault, it could
have been interrupted.
And I don't find the age difference that great. Especially for a young,
physically fit woman.
td
>
Nancy Rudins
Thanks for the post. Even before the family statement, this didn't
appear to me to be a crime committed by her husband.
Kind regards,
Nancy
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course...husband?
"Nancy Rudins" <nru...@ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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Nancy Rudins
> who is the "Diver Family" who released the statement? not the kids, of
> course...husband?
>
I figured it was probably her parents/siblings.
Kind regards,
Nancy
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Kris Baker
"oneofthesearchers" <LAdam...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Created: 10/9/2006 4:44:06 PM
> Updated: 10/10/2006 7:10:07 AM
>
>
> The family of Joan Diver released a statement to the media Monday
> afternoon.
>
> Here is their complete statement:
>
> "Although our family just said goodbye to Joan this weekend, we are
> hurt by some of the misinformation that appears to be circulating. We
> would like to provide some information and clear up some
> misunderstandings.
>
> When Steven got the call at work on Friday September 29th that Joan had
> not picked up their four-year old from preschool, he called 911, rushed
> to the preschool, then began to search for Joan. Steven knew that Joan
> would not leave their son at school and that something was wrong.
....and that's what makes me suspicious. I'd have ass/u/med *anything*
but that she needed emergency assistance.
This statement appears to be from Steven, because Joan's family is
back in Salt Lake City. (This statement sounds like the kind of thing
that Laci's family put out when rumors started floating around Scott.)
Meanwhile, the sheriff has publicly contracted part of the "family"
statement:
http://www.wben.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=05972
"Lt. Ron Kenyon said the department made several requests
last week for permission from Steven Diver to search the vehicle,
but were repeatedly told by Diver's attorney that they would
"get back to them". That contradicts a statement by Diver
issued to the media yesterday in which he claims he was
unaware he had to give permission for the search."
Kris
JonesieCat
>
> "oneofthesearchers" <LAdam...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1160480355.7...@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>> Diver Family Statement
>>
>>
>> Created: 10/9/2006 4:44:06 PM
>> Updated: 10/10/2006 7:10:07 AM
>>
>>
>> The family of Joan Diver released a statement to the media Monday
>> afternoon.
>>
>> Here is their complete statement:
>>
>> "Although our family just said goodbye to Joan this weekend, we are
>> hurt by some of the misinformation that appears to be circulating. We
>> would like to provide some information and clear up some
>> misunderstandings.
>>
>> When Steven got the call at work on Friday September 29th that Joan had
>> not picked up their four-year old from preschool, he called 911, rushed
>> to the preschool, then began to search for Joan. Steven knew that Joan
>> would not leave their son at school and that something was wrong.
>
> ....and that's what makes me suspicious. I'd have ass/u/med *anything*
> but that she needed emergency assistance.
Yeah, I'm torn on this. Husbs in general, and this is a sweeping
generalisation some folks will hate, but in my exp, husbs are more cavalier
than this. They don't immed assume something is wrong. Tho I do think folks
in academic life might be a diff kettle of fish, outside my range of
experience <shrug>, so maybe his reaction might be expected? Also, him
knowing she was doing physical exercise - I wonder if he envisioned her
falling, hurting herself some way. (Or, going the other way - maybe he
thought she WAS out having an affair - what better way to humiliate her than
to call the police and get them looking for her? If so, maybe she did meet a
lover there and HE killed her. I don't really think that tho.)
> This statement appears to be from Steven, because Joan's family is
> back in Salt Lake City. (This statement sounds like the kind of thing
> that Laci's family put out when rumors started floating around Scott.)
Yep. It also reminds me of statements eventually issued by the Ramsey
parents.
> Meanwhile, the sheriff has publicly contracted part of the "family"
> statement:
> http://www.wben.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=05972
> "Lt. Ron Kenyon said the department made several requests
> last week for permission from Steven Diver to search the vehicle,
> but were repeatedly told by Diver's attorney that they would
> "get back to them". That contradicts a statement by Diver
> issued to the media yesterday in which he claims he was
> unaware he had to give permission for the search."
>
> Kris
If the sheriff's dept told the husb they'd already searched it (and if he'd
already given them the keys) I think this likely happened. That is, I
suspect they'd already searched the car, but in retrospect, wanted his
WRITTEN permission, since they had not had a warrant. When things turn
official we all know that verbal permission isn't what LE likes to have.
They like to cover themselves with a warrant. At the same time, the husb had
a lawyer - and lawyers will never grant this sort of permission - they also
want a warrant. Everyone wants it by the book. So, LE in the end were able
to cover themselves: no response from husb, so the judge gave them a
warrant. Anything you wanna bet, they used it for a 2nd search of the car,
after already going thru it with his permission a first time.
If a husb throws himself on the mercy of LE, and camps out on their
doorstep, calls them often, that usually indicates innocence in my mind, and
otherwise I'm suspicious. But the fact is, LE called off the search for Joan
Diver's body way too early, and it took volunteers from the community to
find it. I don't blame the husb one bit for being angry & no longer speaking
to them. Not one bit. I'm not him, and I have little to no faith in them.
Saying no foreign dna found - when it way too early to have the results.
Buncha bunglers imo. Wonder if the Sheriff is an elected position there.
jc
Kris Baker
"JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
I don't see where they've bungled. The body was hidden in brush
far off the path (30 yards, or 90 feet)....and even the dogs didn't
smell anything. The car was 3 miles away. Searching is tough,
and it'd be nice to know where the body is, beforehand ;)
This is the only case I can remember, where the volunteers actually
found something.
If he's pretending to be angry because they didn't find her right
away, that's misplaced....especially IF he wanted her found right away.
The Sheriff can have the keys, but not be able to legally fully search,
and Steven Diver's attorney should be aware of that very basic
rule. The Sheriff won't search unless he has all the details filled,
else the evidence will be thrown out.
But we agree on the strange rush to call 911.
Kris
justwondering
The immediate "missing wife" call to 911 still bothers me...
If he felt she was injured wouldn't he just go to the bike path and
start calling out her name as he walked?
Just a week ago my hub went into the woods to chop some wood. Quite
sometime later, I noticed he wasn't back. I went immediately to the
path, cell phone in hand in case I needed to call for help. I walked the
entire woods, calling his name, to no avail. I then went started back,
already on the cell calling his mom, to find he had taken a load of wood
to her. Was I scared? You bet.
I was thinking about the first "Diver Family" statement....if it indeed
was written by Steven Diver, why not just write it in the first person?
JonesieCat
So did LE think they'd amble down the path and if they didn't see her on it,
she must not be there? They didn't think they might have to leave the path?
Dogs & scents are always unpredictable, aren't they? When they're good,
they're really good. Even so, I'm not sure I even believe a dog or any LE
person covered the whole bike path. IAC, remember the scent dog in the Eliz
Smart case?
The car was 3 miles away. Searching is tough,
> and it'd be nice to know where the body is, beforehand ;)
Good point!
> This is the only case I can remember, where the volunteers actually
> found something.
There have been others. The only one I recall off the top of my head is the
little boy lost in the mtns, and one of the searchers found him, had to
spend the night in the wilderness when bringing his body back. There have
others as well, tho the volunteers may have been under the ausp. of LE at
the time. Wish I were better & faster at googling, but anyway.
Where was the location of her body relative to the second car sighting?
Anyway, if I were lost jogging an extensive trail somewhere, I wouldn't want
this Sheriff's dept in charge of looking for me, that's for sure.
You know those red light cameras they have now? And the speeding cameras on
hwys and so forth? I'm beginning to think jogging trails/bike trails ought
to have those mounted all over the place. Crikey. jc
JonesieCat
"justwondering" <bst...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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He couldn't go looking for her himself because he had to go get the 4yo.
Didn't her? And besides, one person wouldn't have been very effective in
searching. Kris says the path is many miles long - too long for the
Sheriff's dept to do a thorough search even. ;-)
It was probably written by the atty, and supposed to represent Steven, his
children (the older one(s) are probably quite aware of articles written
which seem to implicate Dad) and Steven's extended family. Supposed to make
it sound all authoritative and believable written like that.
Dang, I feel my cynicism creeping in... Ah, I hope it was some other killer
who got her, and not the father of her children. I mean, some other killer
out there'd have gotten someone that day, may as well her as anyone. jc
oneofthesearchers
his son, one of the pre-school teachers followed him home because he
was distraught. She took his son while he took his bike and rode the
path yelling her name. No response. Law enforcement started to
mobilize their efforts. She was not found 30 yards off the path. Even
though there was not a law enforcement agency at the path, one of the
leaders spoke with them. As searchers we were told they had
extensively covered 30 yards on either side of the path and we should
concentrate our efforts beyond those 30 yards. She was found 20-25
feet off the path. I dont know the exact measurement. Law enforcement
used helicopters, bloodhounds, heat seeking devices, officers, and
volunteer fireman. They concentrated on about an 8 mile stretch, from
Salt to Barnum Roads. (Again I dont know the exact distance). They
simply missed it. There were some areas that were heavily wooded. I
was not in the section she was found, so I cannot speak of the
particular area. I am acquantainted with the family and firmly believe
the husband is not responsible.
Kris Baker
Thanks.
The problem with cases like this, when the most-likely suspect "lawyers
up", is that the protection they put around themselves can impede
the investigation. Being so distraught immediately may be normal for
him, but it's something that LE will ping on. How did he know to suspect
the worst, when there could have been a simple explanation? She was
what, an hour late?
The problem with this case is motive.
She wasn't sexually assaulted. She wasn't robbed. Some of
her clothes were torn off and found nearby, but there isn't a
trace of the other person involved in this crime. If the perp
took her car keys from her so he could move her car, why not
move it to the other end of town and make it look like she was
kidnapped while stopping at a strip mall?
And....with all of the people who jog that path, why would a perp
single out a very-average 45-year-old woman?
Kris
JonesieCat
I do appreciate an 'insider's' info, hope oneofthesearchers continues to
give us updates.
Hope we get answers. Just hope we get some straight, unbiased information.
Hard to know what to think. jc
Kris Baker
"JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
I don't think it's hard at all. She was targeted, somehow.
Kris
oneofthesearchers
The car was found on Shisler near Main, a few miles away from the
parking lot and further still from where she was found.
justwondering
>> "oneofthesearchers" <LAdam...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1160564386.1...@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>> He contacted law enforcement. He picked up
>>> his son, one of the pre-school teachers followed him home because he
>>> was distraught. She took his son while he took his bike and rode the
>>> path yelling her name.
>>>
Sounds like he was almost hysterical. I can't imagine having such
a rigid schedule for myself that it didn't allow for even a spur of
the moment trip to the store, without ringing alarm bells like that...
JonesieCat
>
> "JonesieCat" <Long Ago & Far Away> wrote in message
>
> Kris
Now what is it you don't like about my
lying-in-wait-stranger-dunnit-when-an-opp-presented-itself-and-ran-away-when-he-heard-or-imagined-somebody-coming
theory? I'm growing quite fond of it. Really, what? aside from the fact that
her husb reacted so fast? He has an alibi (tho a lecturer's sked can be
flex, I'll give you that). (And stats aside, for the moment.)
jc
JonesieCat
> Her car was seen in the parking lot of the bike path at Main & Salt.
> The car was found on Shisler near Main, a few miles away from the
> parking lot and further still from where she was found.
So Shisler & Main was 3 mi from where her body was found? How far is Main &
Salt from where the body was found?
I still find it hard to comprehend that LE told you they'd searched where
the body was found, and that searchers should search further away from the
path than that. What about dogs? Did LE claim to use dogs for all their
searches as well?
jc
JonesieCat
I wish reporters would do a little investigating, tell us more about the
family. jc
vassargirl
how Mr. Diver reported her MISSING and went stright to the bike path
such a short time after his wife did not pick the 4 year old up from
preschool. Even if she was known for being always punctual and her not
showing up was totally out of character, wouldn't anybody's NORMAL
response be to check the home first even if she was known to be a
regular jogger. After all, she could have... (A) Gotten stuck in
traffic with a dead cell phone battery, (B) Gotten in a car accident,
(C) Fallen down the stairs and broken her leg, or back, or
what-have-you (D) Taken a nap and forgot to set the alarm, (E) Had a
heart attack, etc, etc... I'm sure we all could think of dozens of
perfectly common scenarios. So why the big show of panic? Somehow, I am
reminded of an episode once with one of our foster sons- a brilliant,
charming, absolutely adorable nine year old who also turned out to have
a major personality disorder. The incident went as follows:
Me: Eddie, I just put some money in the hallway for the
paperboy. You didn't happen to see what happened to it, did you?
"Eddie": I didn't steal no five dollar bill from off the table!!!
Which, of course, was exactly what he had done......
earthage2002
> Her car was seen in the parking lot of the bike path at Main & Salt.
> The car was found on Shisler near Main, a few miles away from the
> parking lot and further still from where she was found.
Here's the maps again.
http://www.asaransom.com/images/bikemap.jpg
http://www.classicbuffalo.com/images/outdoors/PeanutLine.gif
http://www.classicbuffalo.com/images/outdoors/ClarencePathwaysMap.jpg
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Chocolic
IIRC when Lacey Peterson first turned up missing, all the reports we
heard from friends, acquaintances, relatives and even the in-laws, was
Scott could not be involved in her disappearance.
Chocolic