What's the deal with the Cult of Amsoil???
Mr. Bigglesworth
ANYWHERE through a normal retail channel, yet it is refrenced here
frequently. I'm sure that the fact it is unavailable in retail
channels is somehow due to the evil oil companies and their plots.
However, is this stuff in fact what I need to find? I currently use
Mobil 1 in all aspects of my F150 and Explorer. Without hearing a
bunch of mind-numbing, brainwas enhanced jibberish, IS Amsoil the
better product or not? And if so, why can't I buy it without an act
of God? Not trying to start anything, but it seems to me that many
refrences to this stuff seem to have the fervor of a Hare-Krishna, and
that in itself puts me off. Kinda like the NSF water filter sales
guys, and the mullet-head kids that wander the streets selling
knock-off perfume. So, what's the deal, really?
Snowseeker
uses Amsoil. After several years of riding together we came to the
conclusion that he pays more and has to search for someone who sells the
stuff. that is the only difference.
In our trucks he buys real expensive oil I buy normal stuff. I change oil
every 3000 to 4000 miles I cannot recall how often he changes oil but less
than 6000 miles. Again several years many miles no problems.
The only way I would spend more is if I was seeing failures. I think the
important thing is regular maintenance
Not trying to upset anyone who buys the expensive stuff. I use my truck
normally some heavy pulling and quite a bit of towing and or carrying
Steve Barker
than the other so called synthetic lubes. Mineral oil is just as good.
Just change at 3000 miles and you'll never see the benefit of synthetic.
(cause there is none) Unless you consider leaks a benefit.
Take it from someone who used to push Mobil 1 when it was invented. It
ain't worth it.
s
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> Just your typical MLM pyramid scheme. I suppose it's no better or worse
> than the other so called synthetic lubes. Mineral oil is just as good.
> Just change at 3000 miles and you'll never see the benefit of synthetic.
> (cause there is none) Unless you consider leaks a benefit.
I have seen the benefits of synthetic with my own two eyes. Just crack
open an engine that's run conventional oil all its life and then do the
same with the same engine on synthetics. The one with synthetics will
beso clean you'll swear the engine was new and as for the wear...what
wear? :) I've done this, I've seen the difference and that's why I still
run Mobil 1.
As for the leaks, synthetics/Mobil 1 don't cause leaks. If your engine
leaks after switching to synthetic then the leak was pre-existing and
plugged with sludge/cooked conventional oil. Synthetic cleans MUCH better
and also has a shorter carbon chain, so it not only cleans all the crap
out of your engine, it will also fit through smaller leaks...but it won't
create them.
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Mr. Bigglesworth
>I have seen the benefits of synthetic with my own two eyes. Just crack
>open an engine that's run conventional oil all its life and then do the
>same with the same engine on synthetics. The one with synthetics will
>beso clean you'll swear the engine was new and as for the wear...what
>wear? :) I've done this, I've seen the difference and that's why I still
>run Mobil 1.
>
>As for the leaks, synthetics/Mobil 1 don't cause leaks. If your engine
>leaks after switching to synthetic then the leak was pre-existing and
>plugged with sludge/cooked conventional oil. Synthetic cleans MUCH better
>and also has a shorter carbon chain, so it not only cleans all the crap
>out of your engine, it will also fit through smaller leaks...but it won't
>create them.
I agree on the benefits of syn. vs. dino. I rebuilt the top
end of my 86 4Runner a few months ago, an engine with 160,000 on it
and Mobil 1 used for the first 150,000 of them. The interior of the
engine was pristine. No compression loss, no scoring on the walls,
minimal scraping needed on the piston heads, simply pristine.
My only queery is if this magical Amsoil really is worth
travelling the world to obtain from ex Heavan's Gate members, or if
Mobil 1, as I think it probably is, is just as effective.
Al Rolle
the superiority of synthetic in normal driving. I rebuilt a 100,000 mile, 10
year-old Datsun engine and it had zero mechanical wear and no deposits. It
was run on Castrol regular oil. Proves nothing except that good design and
good maintenance pays off.
I rebuilt it strictly so my 14 year-old could have the experience. He did
most of the work.
Al
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Mr. Bigglesworth
<al.r...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>I doubt you've done it to a significant enough degree to statistically prove
>the superiority of synthetic in normal driving. I rebuilt a 100,000 mile, 10
>year-old Datsun engine and it had zero mechanical wear and no deposits. It
>was run on Castrol regular oil. Proves nothing except that good design and
>good maintenance pays off.
>
>I rebuilt it strictly so my 14 year-old could have the experience. He did
>most of the work.
>
>Al
You're probably right. I bought the truck from my stepfather,
and he is who I learned my meticulous maintenance habits from. I used
to be a fanatic about changing dino every 3,000, now I am the same way
about synth. every 5,000. I may or may not be realizing any true
benefits, but it does make me feel better. Synth in the engine,
tranny and transaxle just makes me feel good, and I guess I'm happy
with that. I CAN say with cetainty that my engines run smoother and
pick up slight mpgs with synth.
Debbie and Roger Bess
'legandary' toyota at only 160k miles?
To me this proves 2 points:
a. The legend of toyota quality is a myth
b. there's no benwfit of syntehtic oils over conventional oils if changed
every 3k miles.
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needed? And why so soon?
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gaskets and bearings and was given the car a year later.
Al
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Mr. Bigglesworth
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>Same comment as previous post. If there's no wear, then why was a rebuild
>needed? And why so soon?
The rebuild was needed due to that a spark plug's threading
stayed in the head whilst the rest broke off in my wrench. Couldn't
be tapped out, needed a new head on it. And I never purported
anything about Toyota's "legendary" quality. And I also wouldn't call
160,000 miles "soon". Tranny also needed rebuilding after I got water
in it during a particularly bad mud-stuck incident. Care to indict
Toyota for that, too?
Steve Barker
out of the trans.
s
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Debbie and Roger Bess
an 'engine rebuild'..
Sorry if I was too snappy. Guess I was reading too many posts where the
toyota extremists constantly imply that all domestic vehicles are poor
quality.
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engines, one major engine manufacturer (Lycoming) has made the use of
a certain synthetic additive mandatory in certain engines.
Lycoming engines have the camshaft at the top of the crankcase, and as
the engine sits between flights the oil runs off the camshaft, leaving
the camshaft dry during the first few seconds after engine start..
The synthetic oils 'cling' to the parts better and don't run off.
There are other benefits too. Synthetics have higher flash points,
and will withstand much higher temperatures before breaking down that
petroleum-based oils.
Whether AMSOil is better than Mobil 1 is a debate that I am not
qualified to enter, however.
Best Regards,
Dave Barnhart
Riprock
"dh1"@sierra.net.@@@ wrote:
> Mobil 1 is almost as good as Amsoil,,,, but why support an oil
> company(Moble 1) that has been screwing you for years and still
> expects
> you to bring your own vasoline?
>
> Michael
> A preacher is the blind
> leading the blind...
>
> The Last Church
> http://www.thelastchurch.org
> mic...@thelastchurch.org
So Christ is in you and you are in Christ? Which one of you is using vulgar
visual reference to "screwing" and "vasoline"? I can't remember any parables
where Christ told his followers to beware of the Pharisees screwing them and
telling them to bring their own vasoline... Christ would not be so vulgar as to
make analogies using anal sex.
I have no opinion on synthetics-vs-amsoil-vs-regular oil, but when someone is
supposedly representing that he knows the mind of Christ (see your webpage) and
then uses vulgarities to express his opinion, THEN I have an opinion :)
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> On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:27:23 -0700, Dave Barnhart
> <da...@davebarnhart.com> wrote:
>>Whether AMSOil is better than Mobil 1 is a debate that I am not
>>qualified to enter, however.
> Mobil 1 is almost as good as Amsoil,,,, but why support an oil
> company(Moble 1) that has been screwing you for years and still
> expects
> you to bring your own vasoline?
You really are the blind leading the blind, aren't you. Like I said
before, apparently Mobil 1 is screwing people by selling a synthetic oil
that costs less than AMSoil and is API Certified.
Damn! Damn them for screwing me like that! How dare they...
> Michael
> A preacher is the blind
> leading the blind...
Idiot.
Steven Scharf
Here's the deal:
For a car or truck with a gasoline powered engine and a catalytic
converter you should use an oil that is API certified. Mobil 1
and Amsoil XL-7500 are both certified.
Amsoil's other products have too high a level of ZDDP to be API
certified (according to Amsoil). The reason that the API limits
the amount of ZDDP is because a high level of ZDDP means a high
level of phosphorus, which shortens the life of the catalytic
converter.
Here's the tricky part. On machines without catalytic converters
(motorcycles, snowmobiles, older cars) the higher level of ZDDP
found in Amsoil and other non-API certified oils (both synthetic
and petroleum) is actually a good thing. In fact some companies
warn against using an oil with too low a level of ZDDP.
But for your vehicles, just stick with Mobil 1. There is no reason
to pay $5.20 a quart (Amsoil XL-7500) versus $3.50 a quart (Mobil 1).
I think that it's really a shame that Amsoil sells their products
via MLM. They could evolve into a respectable company if they
changed their ways.
Richard Parker
Amsoil has been around for years. When I road motorcycles 10-15 yrs ago the
major Bike mags said all these great things about Amsoil. but at $5.00 a
quart it gets quite expensive to use. The Oil companies have us all duped
into changing oil every 3000 miles. There have been lab test that show oil
is still good at the 11,000 mile range w/ no breakdowns of the molecules.
Thats with regular oil not synthetics
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now and it still looks/feels clean and slimey :)
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>
> Amsoil has been around for years. When I road motorcycles 10-15 yrs ago
the
> major Bike mags said all these great things about Amsoil. but at $5.00 a
> quart it gets quite expensive to use. The Oil companies have us all duped
> into changing oil every 3000 miles. There have been lab test that show oil
> is still good at the 11,000 mile range w/ no breakdowns of the molecules.
> Thats with regular oil not synthetics
"there have been lab tests..." oh brother. be a little less specific, why
don't you?
Oil analysis is something that anybody can have done in a lab very cheaply,
so there's your answer if you really have to know how long your oil is still
good for.
laters,
Jim
Steven Scharf
> I change my oil when it starts to look like crap and lose its "feel"... It's been about 5k
> now and it still looks/feels clean and slimey :)
>
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> Man this Steve scharf hit it right on the nose.
>
> Amsoil has been around for years. When I road motorcycles 10-15 yrs ago the
> major Bike mags said all these great things about Amsoil. but at $5.00 a
> quart it gets quite expensive to use. The Oil companies have us all duped
> into changing oil every 3000 miles. There have been lab test that show oil
> is still good at the 11,000 mile range w/ no breakdowns of the molecules.
> Thats with regular oil not synthetics
That's right. What is always amusing to me is the ubiquitous "cheap insurance"
reply when it comes to oil changes. Well if it's cheap insurance to do 3K
oil changes, let's buy even more cheap insurance and do 1K or 2K oil changes.
There are some other considerations though. Stop and go driving without any
longer higher speed trips will cause moisture to accumulate in the oil. Also
the oil turns acidic when it gets older, even though the lubricating properties
are still okay (synthetic and petroleum). 5K for stop and go, 7.5K for normal
service is what a lot of manufacturer's now recommend. There are some vehicles
where the 3K recommendation is still valid, such as Saturn's S series. But
this is not because the oil isn't lubricating any more, it's because of how
they did the timing chain tensioning system, using oil as a sort of hydraulic
fluid to ratchet up the timing chain tension. There were problems when dirty
oil gummed up the timing chain tensioner bore resulting in a loose timing
chain, which eventually caused more serious problems.
chita jing
or any other mainstream product line supported by normal business entities
waving a current API certification. Check old (OLD) threads all over the Net
at http://www.deja.com and assure yourself there's nothing special about
Amsoil but the sales pitch. They fly around like a religious cult cuz
religious fervor makes overspending on Mystery Merchandise easier to sell.
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