why does my 2002 ford ranger get millage less than what was on the window.
mike
said 17 city and 20 highway miles per gallon. When I drove to orlando
it arround 18 miles to the gallon. Around town it will get anywhere
from 15.5 to 17 mpg on its best day. I only drive a mile to work. I
only have 4000 miles on it.
My friends have ford rangers with the 4.0l engine they get an average
of 20 miles to the gallon. another friend has an f150 with a 4.6l v8
he gets deacent millage with that. When I called the dealer they said
the truck is not broken in yet. Should I complain to the dealer about
this or what.
R. J. Talley
get it's optimal gas mileage until after it is completely broken in, say 10
thousand miles or so. Second, The mileage figures posted on your window are
a fleet average under ideal conditions. Individual vehicles under real world
driving conditions will vary quite a bit. I have a 2002 Ranger Edge with the
4:10 rear end and a 5 spd. I drive 32 miles to work each day and have
accumulated about 8,000 miles on the engine. At present, I get between 20
and 22 mpg on the highway. Around town I never get better than 16 mpg. I
know these figures are solid because I record every drop of gas and every
mile driven for tax purposes. This is what I expected and within the range
posted on the EPA mileage chart. Your friends vehicles may have the 3:70
gearing. With that set up, one can expect a tad better mileage. You also
need to take into account your particular driving habits. You may accelerate
faster and brake later than your friends. You may also shift later or drive
a different route or longer or shorter distances. In other words, "your
mileage may vary". You have nothing legit to complain about. Everything is
functioning as designed. By the way, My wife has a 2001 "Exploder" Sport
with the 4.0L engine, auto trans and all of the "goodies" including the roof
rack. Loaded with me (350 lb.) her (half that) my brother-in-law, two dogs
and all of our luggage we averaged 21 mpg on a cross country trip from LA to
Montana and back. I drove at a fairly steady 75 mph with the AC on the whole
time. Occasionally we got worse, sometimes better but never better than 24
mpg and never worse than 17 mpg. My old Mercury Sable routinely turned in
28 -33 mpg over the same route at about 10 mph faster with the same load at
the same time of year. So, relax, enjoy your truck and don't sweat the
mileage. it's normal.
R J Talley
"mike" <mdia...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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xaenon
Gas mileage ratings are only estimates, and when they come up with
these figures, it's usually because the model they test is a very
basic one, standard-shift, without A/C, etc, etc. Add to this the
fact they employ super-conservative test drivers - the kind of people
you generally DON'T want to be behind at the traffic light. They'll
granny-shift the vehicle into high gear at the very earliest chance,
accelerate very slowly, allow the vehicle to coast for half a mile
to the traffic light, etc. Even 80-year-old great-great-grandmothers
are speed demons compared to a typical mileage-test driver. While it
isn't particularly truthful, I view mileage estimates as a 'best I
can hope for under ideal conditions' sort of thing.
Stir into all this the fact that the test vehicle is brand-new and
in perfect mechanical condition, with all tires inflated to within
one tenth of an ounce of recommended pressure. Oh, and sitting at
idle at stop lights or for long periods of time in traffic isn't part
of the test course - you know, when the vehicle returns ZERO miles to
the gallon. Average THAT into the daily drive and you'll start to
see why mileage estimates are generally on the high side of reality.
Finally, it must be remembered that driving only a mile to work, the
engine doesn't get to its full normal operating temperature - hell,
the thermostat might not even be open when you get there. The engine
won't be getting its best gas mileage until it warms up to its normal
operating temperatures. It will get 'warm' very quickly, but it takes
an additional 10-15 minutes to reach its full operating temperature.
In addition, the dealer MIGHT be correct about it not being broke in,
but after 4,000 miles it shouldn't be an issue. Modern cars don't
require the 'break in' period the older ones did.
Your friends might be getting better mileage because their vehicles
are geared differently. Smaller engines usually require slightly
deeper axle ratios. For instance, I have a pair of Chevrolet
S10s (don't ask): one has a 4.3L V6 and a 3.23 axle, the other
has the 2.8L and has a 3.73 rear gear. The 2.8L spins rather
fast compared to the 2.8L; but if it was geared like the 2.8L
the truck wouldn't move worth a damn. Overall, the two trucks
get about the same average mileage, but the 4.3L actually gets
better mileage around-town than the 2.8L. - probably because I
can shift sooner and don't have to buzz the engine as high to
get moving as with the 2.8L.
Overall, compared witht he published estimates and what you're
actually getting, you're not doing too badly, in my opinion.
Blair Baucom
highway. My 1996 3.0L Supercab Ranger XLT 2WD with 4 speed auto, 3.73 rear,
with 51,000 miles is still getting 16 city and 22 highway, It has not varied
higher or lower since I bought it new. In my past experience, my vehicles
did not show any change with mileage, but I only drove them to less than
40,000 miles before I traded them.
Blair
"mike" <mdia...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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bdm
miles so far and hoping for better mileage as it breaks in.
In article <8e68d870.02122...@posting.google.com>,
mdia...@tampabay.rr.com says...
Rich Starnes
Larry
Larry
"xaenon" <nrogers...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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ROBBCWZ
around town. Just ready to turn 36,000 miles so I don't expect it to get any
better!
RobbC
Larry
Quit complaining :)
Of course, I expect that to increase after it's broken in. It only has 250
miles on it :)
If I get 17 average, I'll be happy.
My 2000 Taurus only got 19 mixed, which was always a disappointment to me.
Larry
"ROBBCWZ" <rob...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Jim
>I'm getting 13.5 from my new 2003 4.0L Ranger FX4-Level II.
>
>Quit complaining :)
Well I guess I still hold the record. About 12-13 mpg.
11000 miles now. It has the "Check Guage" problem and a few
other small things to check. So I need to get it to the dealer
one of these days. :)
Jim
Derek M. Loseke
<mic...@thelastchurch.borg> wrote in message
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> >hy does my 2002 ford ranger get millage less
> >than what was on the window.
>
> It does so because the factory uses synthetic oil to
> set milage numbers. Then they sell it to you with junk
> oil in it. Put the synthetics back in it and you will
> get better than sticker milage. Don't forget to change
> the trans and rear end.
>
> Michael
>
>
> .
> A preacher is the blind
> leading the blind...
>
> The Last Church
> http://www.thelastchurch.org
> mic...@thelastchurch.org
Boy...was hoping you had died or your computer blew up or something. Guess
just wasn't posting for a while.
Btw, do you ever make non-Amsoil related posts? Also, did anyone ever take
you up on your "Amsoil Challenge"?
Jim
Jim
lugnut
With mileage that far out of the norm, you should take a
long look at where you drive and your driving technique. If
you are sure you are not totally responsible, it is time to
get it in to find the problem. Excessive fuel consumption
can cause many other problems in a vehicle that it doesn't
already have like carbonization of valves, combustion
chambers, intake ports and destroyed catalytic converters.
If the Check Engine light is coming on, your OBD II system
has detected a problem. At 11,000 miles, it will be under
warranty at not cost to you which takes away any excuse you
have to abuse the vehicle by neglecting proper maintanence.
Oscar_lives
catalytic converters, foul oxygen sensors, and generally degrade
performance.
Get your truck diagnosed, the ruined parts replaced, and then use a
certified oil like Mobil1.
Hope this helps.
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> Use "AD:" in the subject line.
>
> Jim
>
KB
news:snl12v8fej1u9u5ju...@4ax.com:
> On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:08:25 GMT, "Oscar_lives"
> <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>certified oil like Mobil1.
>
> Mobil 1 is a synthetic oil moron, Just a second rate
> one. My F150 5.4 or is it 6 gets 20 mpg +
>
>
>
>
> DIESEL AND MARINE
> MOTOR OIL
> SAE 15W-40
> Custom-Blended For Outstanding
> Performance In Today’s Engines
> PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
> AMSOIL Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine Motor
> Oil combines the superior lubricity and performance
> capa-bilities
> of a premium synthetic lubricant with special rust
> and corrosion inhibitors. AMSOIL Synthetic Heavy-Duty
> Diesel and Marine Motor Oil is recommended for engines
> used in marine applications, as well as diesel engines
> used in trucks, fleets, mining, earth moving,
> construction
> and farm equipment. Other applications include taxi and
> local delivery fleets with gasoline or diesel engines.
> With its
> extended drain intervals, AMSOIL Synthetic Heavy-Duty
> Diesel and Marine Motor Oil reduces maintenance
> costs, downtime and the cost of waste oil disposal.
> Provides High Shear Stability
> AMSOIL Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine Motor
> Oil surpasses the European ACEA and North American
> SAE oil specifications for high temperature/high shear
> (HTHS) viscosity. It is significantly more shear stable
> than
> conventional motor oils, retaining its viscosity at
> tempera-tures
> and loads that break down conventional oils. AMSOIL
> Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine Motor Oil
> maintains
> an extremely protective viscosity of greater than 3.7
> cP at
> 302°F (150°C) in the ASTM D-4683 High Temperature/High
> Shear Test, exceeding the test limits.
> Prevents Rust and Corrosion
> AMSOIL Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine Motor
> Oil contains special rust and corrosion-inhibiting
> additives
> to prevent the rusting or corrosion of iron, copper,
> lead and
> aluminum materials.
> Improves Fuel Economy
> The premium quality synthetic base stocks in AMSOIL
> Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine Motor Oil
> provide a tough lubricating film on all engine parts,
> reducing friction and fuel consumption. Reduced fuel
> con-sumption
> reduces exhaust emissions of carbon dioxide,
> water and particulates.
> Resists Oxidation - Reduces Engine Wear
> Conventional oils oxidize at high temperatures, causing
> sludge and deposit build-up that decrease fuel
> efficiency
> and contribute to corrosion and increased engine wear.
> AMSOIL Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine Motor
> Oil, with a flash point of 442°F (228°C), resists
> oxidation
> and thermal breakdown far better than conventional
> oils.
> It continues to provide maximum protection at
> tempera-tures
> that oxidize conventional oils. Also, the advanced
> heat transfer capabilities and high lubricity of AMSOIL
> Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine Motor Oil helps
> engines run cooler and reduces wear.
> Extended Drain Intervals
> AMSOIL Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine Motor
> Oil is formulated for extended drain intervals. Its
> unique syn-thetic
> formulation, improved detergent/dispersant
> capabilities,
> and long drain additive package ensure maximum engine
> protection, cleanliness and performance over extended
> drain
> periods. Its advanced 12 TBN formulation keeps engines
> in
> superb condition even when the oil is used for extended
> drain intervals.
> Provides Low Temperature Protection
> AMSOIL Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine Motor
> Oil remains fluid at temperatures as low as -47°F
> (-44°C).
> It circulates rapidly to provide vital lubrication and
> prevent
> engine wear caused by lack of oil flow. AMSOIL
> Synthetic
> Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine Motor Oil allows quicker,
> easier cold temperature starting with less engine wear.
> Reduces Oil Consumption and Emissions
> AMSOIL Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine Motor
> Oil far exceeds the NOACK Volatility Test. Many
> conventional
> lubricants cannot pass this requirement. Low volatility
> means
> less oil vapor passing into the combustion chamber. A
> reduc-tion
> of oil vapor means lower oil consumption and lower
> exhaust emissions. The high detergent alkalinity of
> AMSOIL
> Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine Motor Oil also
> helps reduce oil consumption.
> • API Engine Service CH-4, CG-4, CF-2, CF, SH, SJ
> • MIL-PRF-2104G, • MIL-L-21260D*
> • Caterpillar TO-2, TO-3 • Allison C-3, C-4
> • Mack EO-L, EO-L+, EO-M, EO-M+ • M.A.N. 271
> • Mercedes-Benz AG 227.1, 228.1, 228.3
> • Scania Long Drain • Volvo VDS, VDS-2
> • VW 505.00 • Cummins CES 20071, 20072, 20076
> • MTU • EMA LRG1
> *Rust Protection and Acid Neutralization Test
> “The First in Synthetics”
>
> TYPICAL TECHNICAL PROPERTIES
> AMSOIL Synthetic SAE 15W-40 Heavy-Duty Diesel and
> Marine Motor Oil
> (AME)
> Kinematic Viscosity @ 100°C, cST
> ..........................15.0
> (ASTM D-445)
> Kinematic Viscosity @ 40°C, cST
> ............................91.2
> (ASTM D-445)
> Viscosity Index (ASTM
> D-2270).................................172
> CCS Viscosity @ -15°C, cP (ASTM D-2602) ...........2350
> Pour Point °C (°F) (ASTM D-97)
> ........................-44 (-47)
> Flash Point °C (°F) (ASTM D-92)
> .....................228 (442)
> Four Ball Wear Test (ASTM D-4172B: 40 kg, 75.........
> ... .... ..
>
>
>
>
>
> .
> A preacher is the blind
> leading the blind...
>
> The Last Church
> http://www.thelastchurch.org
> mic...@thelastchurch.org
He said CERTIFIED ya stupid twit. KB
--
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The "RIGHT" is inalienable, The second amemdment just affirms it!!!
Anyone who surrenders his arms because of a cry for public safety does
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KB
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> On 12 Jan 2003 05:01:13 GMT, KB <kevyN...@netins.net>
> wrote:
>> He said CERTIFIED ya stupid twit. KB
>
> Amsoil DOES have CERTIFIED synthetics Ya stupid twit.
>
>
> .........................................................
>
> Install the following code to Link to the AMSOIL Online
> Store:
>
>
> <p align="center"><font face="Arial" color="#B30000">To
> order AMSOIL
> Products, click on the link below</font></p>
> <p align="center"><font face="Arial">
> <a
> href="http://www.amsoil.com/redirect.cgi?zo=304333&page=store">AMSOIL
> Online Store</a></font>
> .........................................................
> A preacher is the blind
> leading the blind...
>
> The Last Church
> http://www.thelastchurch.org
> mic...@thelastchurch.org
>
WOW a whole couple of em. I am really impressed now. That changes
everything.
I have even run amsoil in the past, but your so f**king stupid on the
real versis psudo science that I can`t even believe your breathing on
your own. KB
KB
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> On 12 Jan 2003 20:46:03 GMT, KB <kevyN...@netins.net>
> wrote:
>> WOW a whole couple of em. I am really impressed now.
>
> If you knew anything your would know when to shut up.
>
>
> Michael
>
>
Oh ya!!!!!! you got "mister briliant" written all over you. Any one
that can ignore straight science and spout that amsoil is the answer to
all mech. prayers has no place to talk. reasoning is not your strong
point. KB
KB
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> On 14 Jan 2003 04:41:54 GMT, KB <kevyN...@netins.net>
> wrote:
>>spout that amsoil is the answer to
>>all mech. prayers has no place to talk.
>
> I never said any thing like that.
> You can't put words in my mouth but I can put my dick
> in yours.......Suck or blow, it's your choice.
>
>
> Michael
>
> .
>
> A preacher is the blind
> leading the blind...
>
> The Last Church
> http://www.thelastchurch.org
> mic...@thelastchurch.org
>
Almost every post of yours about amsoil has had very unscientific claims
about the almost magical properties of a product that is just a OIL. It
is a syntheticly made product which makes it uniform and so superior to
reg oil but it is just oil. It doesn`t soak into the metal, have lasting
lub properties if lost,(aka you can drive umpteen miles if all oil is
lost) get 20 % better gas milage, or any other magic. It is just a high
grade oil you f**king idiot. It is also a multi level marketing producit
because they are to stupid to put it in stores. Enjoy blowing yourself
in the mirror, it is the only one that can stand your wild stories. KB
Steve Barker
pressure. No wonder they're called idiot lights.
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<mic...@thelastchurch.borg> wrote in message
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Stretch
mic...@thelastchurch.borg wrote:
> It does soak into the metal! And I have personally
> driven umpteen miles with no oil in it.
> Last case:
> Vandals poked a whole in the filter of MY wives 2001
> F-150. She never checks her oil. I do about once a
> week. She drives about 600 miles a week. I know she
> drove at least 250 highway miles with no oil at highway
> speeds.
> I to have drained oil out of an engine and driven
> it,,,,,,Just to see if I could. I also did it by
> accident, off road, with a rock hole in the oil pan.
> I have also had to drive with no water in one or
> two.
> It ain;t magic friend. It's just the science of
> Good lubrication and a well made product.
Maybe it was the anti amsoil people. The Am Not Soils.
Are there a lot of people getting their filters poked?
And yes, good lubrication is important when getting your
filters poked. My Magic friend says so.
mill·age ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mlj)
n.
A tax rate on property, expressed in mills per
dollar of value of the property
Mileage is an estimation. May be that altitude could be a part of
it. Could be lead foot syndrome. May just be a lame truck.
Might have to take it out and shoot it.
--
Stretch ( 03 FLHRCI - Black )
Larry
Larry
"Jim" <lose...@workfromhome.com> wrote in message
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lugnut
<railph...@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:
>OMG here's the fukin lie about the dumb bitch that drives with no oil
>pressure. No wonder they're called idiot lights.
And, if his air compressor is not runing warm, it probably
won't compress much air either since that heat is a physical
property of rapid comprsiing air. Otherwise, not many
Diesels would run.
KB
news:dmi92vc2hc76oeh59...@4ax.com:
>
>> It doesn`t soak into the metal, have lasting
>>lub properties if lost,(aka you can drive umpteen miles if all oil is
>>lost)
>
> It does soak into the metal! And I have personally
> driven umpteen miles with no oil in it.
> Last case:
> Vandals poked a whole in the filter of MY wives 2001
> F-150. She never checks her oil. I do about once a
> week. She drives about 600 miles a week. I know she
> drove at least 250 highway miles with no oil at highway
> speeds.
> I to have drained oil out of an engine and driven
> it,,,,,,Just to see if I could. I also did it by
> accident, off road, with a rock hole in the oil pan.
> I have also had to drive with no water in one or
> two.
> It ain;t magic friend. It's just the science of
> Good lubrication and a well made product.
>
>>get 20 % better gas milage, or any other magic.
>
> Just because you have been fucked by other adds
> claiming better milage does not mean There are no
> products that can do it for you. I have been using
> Amsoil for 30 years in all kinds of engines. I know
> what it does.
> Air compressor oil? Run your compressor and lay
> your hand on it. See the nice burn marks and blisters
> it leaves? Mine runs so cool I can put my hand on it
> an not get burned. And that compressor has been
> running fine for 15 years.
>
>>It is just a high
>>grade oil you f**king idiot.
>
> Fucking idiot is some one who knocks a product they
> have never used.
>
>>t is also a multi level marketing producit
>>because they are to stupid to put it in stores.
>
> It is multi level because petroleum companies tried to
> keep it off the market as long as they could. Then
> they tried to brain wash you into thinking synthetics
> were bad. Try testing things for your self.
>
>
>> only one that can stand your wild stories. KB
>
> Hay if you hate the truth don't read it.
>
> Below is probably more information than your attention
> span can follow:
>
> A. Good question. AMSOIL staffers have recently read
> some message
> boards with misinformation regarding this issue. Let us
> address API
> licensing in depth, as well as the issue of warranties.
> Some AMSOIL
> motor oils are API licensed, some are not. If you're
> concerned about
> your warranty and feel pressures to use an API licensed
> oil, even
> after reading this answer, then the 5W-30 (XLF) or
> 10W-30 (XLT)
> XL-7500 or our 15W-40 (PCO) API licensed oils should be
> your choice.
> If you are looking for an alternative to frequent oil
> changes or just
> want the best performing oil for your car, then one of
> our top tier
> non-API licensed synthetic oils are for you. Read on,
> and decide for
> yourself.
>
> API Licensing - Passenger Cars - What is it?
>
> An API (American Petroleum Institute) license indicates
> that a
> specific motor oil formulation has passed the minimum
> performance
> standards as defined by a series of laboratory bench,
> physical,
> chemical and engine tests. These tests were selected
> and minimum
> performance standards were set by the API Lubricants
> Committee to
> address specific areas such as engine wear, deposits,
> fuel economy,
> emissions, etc. The committee is comprised of
> representatives from
> automobile, oil and additive companies. The current
> specification is
> SJ/GF-2, and in July 2001 the first use of SL/GF-3 will
> begin.
>
> Costs
>
> The cost for running a test program for a single
> passenger car motor
> oil formulation is from $125,000 to $300,000, depending
> on if the
> formula passes the tests the first time through or
> requires multiple
> test runs or formula modifications to achieve a passing
> average. (That
> amount goes to $275,000 to $500,000 for a Heavy Duty
> Diesel licensing
> program on a specific formula.) Once that testing is
> complete and the
> formula has passed all of the minimum requirements, it
> can be licensed
> for $825 per year for non-members and $625 per year for
> members. There
> is also a small royalty fee per gallon sold for all
> gallons over one
> million. The length of time between new specifications
> is now
> approximately 2 to 3 years, which does not allow a
> great deal of time
> to recover testing costs.
>
> Who Licenses What Formulas?
>
> Additive companies, such as Lubrizol, Ethyl,, Infinium
> and Oronite,
> develop licensed formulas that they offer to oil
> companies to
> re-license. It is inexpensive to re-license one of
> these formulas, and
> the majority of oil companies choose to do this to
> avoid the costs
> associated with testing. This, however, tends to
> commoditize the
> market. The same chemistry is being sold under many
> brand names. Most
> of the major oil companies do have their own
> proprietary formulas
> developed, tested and licensed. All of AMSOIL INC.'s
> lubricant
> formulas are unique and proprietary.
>
> Flexibility In Manufacturing An API Licensed Formula
>
> API licensing was originally developed for mineral
> based oils, and it
> affords these oils more flexibility than synthetic
> oils.
>
> Mineral oils comprised of group I and Group II
> petroleum basestocks
> may use a simple program called basestock interchange
> for added
> flexibility in manufacturing and purchasing.
> Interchange means that by
> completing the proper paperwork and running a few minor
> engine tests
> an oil company can choose to buy these petroleum
> basestocks from many
> different suppliers. This ensures adequate supply and
> competitive
> pricing. However, basestock interchange for Group III
> and V synthetic
> basestocks is not allowed. For example, if a formula
> was tested with
> an ester (Group V) basestock from a specific supplier,
> then anyone
> blending that formula must buy only that supplier's
> ester. Complete
> engine testing would need to be performed on the
> formula using another
> supplier's ester before an oil company could buy it
> from that
> alternative supplier. This additional testing is
> normally not
> performed because of the associated costs. This
> inflexibility makes it
> very difficult for synthetic lubricant manufacturers to
> negotiate
> prices with synthetic basestock suppliers. Click HERE
> for more
> information about Group I through Group V basestocks.
>
> There is also something called viscosity grade
> read-across.
> Fortunately, this applies to both petroleum and
> synthetic basestocks
> although the better cold temperature performance of
> synthetics makes
> it more difficult to achieve in some situations.
> (That's another whole
> story.) What this means is that if you properly
> formulate the
> lubricant for which you have run all of the API tests,
> there are
> guidelines that allow you to use that same formula to
> make 0W-30,
> 5W-30, 10W-30, etc. viscosity motor oil.
>
> Finally, there is a rule for substitutions in the CMA
> (Chemical
> Manufacturers Association) code of practice that allows
> a small degree
> of flexibility for all formulas. It allows a company to
> change the
> percentages of components in the formula by varying
> amounts from the
> original formula with limited testing and paperwork
> requirements. For
> example, if the licensed formula used 10% of a certain
> V.I. improver,
> you would have the ability to utilize from 9% to 11% of
> the same V.I.
> improver for your formula.
>
> Key Limitations For API Licensed Formulas
>
> Phosphorous content - .10% maximum
> (API SL; 0W-20, 5W-20, 0W-30, 5W-30, 10W-30 viscosity
> grades, only)
>
> NOACK volatility - 15% maximum
>
> Click HERE for an explanation of NOACK Volatility
>
> The prevalent sources of phosphorous in motor oils are
> additives
> called zinc dithiophosphates (ZDTPs). Currently, these
> versatile
> additives act as oxidation/corrosion inhibitors and aid
> in the ability
> of a lubricant to reduce wear. The automobile
> manufacturers, however,
> have demanded that lubricants contain a maximum of only
> .10%
> phosphorous. Their reason is that some manufacturers
> believe that
> higher phosphorous content levels will poison the
> catalytic converters
> on their cars before they reach 150,000 miles, which is
> the number of
> miles that their vehicles will be required to pass EPA
> emission
> standards. There has not been total agreement within
> the automotive
> and lubrication industry about whether phosphorous
> levels over .10%
> actually do harm catalytic converters in the long run.
> What they have
> failed to make allowances for is the NOACK volatility
> of an oil.
>
> The maximum allowable NOACK volatility percentage for
> the new SL/GF-3
> passenger car motor oil specification is 15%. Most of
> AMSOIL motor
> oils are in the 5% to 8% NOACK volatility range.
> Studies have shown
> there is a correlation between NOACK volatility, oil
> consumption and
> the amount of phosphorous from motor oil that will end
> up in the
> exhaust gasses. Therefore, oils with higher levels of
> phosphorous but
> with low volatility, such as AMSOIL motor oils, present
> no more risk
> to catalytic converters than low phosphorous oils with
> higher NOACK
> volatility. This has also been demonstrated for years
> in actual
> application through state mandated exhaust gas testing
> on our Dealers'
> and customers' high mileage vehicles using AMSOIL
> synthetic motor
> oils. State inspectors are continually amazed at the
> low emissions
> levels generated by vehicles using AMSOIL products. So
> much for
> poisoning catalytic converters.
>
> AMSOIL INC. has determined that the reduced wear and
> extended drain
> intervals achievable with phosphorous levels higher
> than the API limit
> of .10% are real benefits for the consumer, and pose no
> risk to
> catalytic converters. AMSOIL motor oils, except for the
> API licensed
> XL-7500 5W-30 and 10W-30 viscosity grades, all have
> greater than .10%
> phosphorous levels, and therefore, cannot be API
> licensed.
>
> Why Some AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils Are API Licensed
> And Some Are Not
>
> 1. Full API licensing puts AMSOIL INC. in an inflexible
> position. Not
> only would we find it necessary to buy formula
> components from
> specific vendors and be at the mercy of their pricing,
> we would not be
> able to make any major improvements to the lubricant
> formulas for 2 to
> 3 years, without new testing and the associated costs.
> To solve this
> problem, the API must establish basestock interchange
> guidelines for
> synthetic basestocks just as they have for other
> basestocks, as well
> as develop interchange guidelines for other components
> too.
>
> 2. Full API licensing would impose strict phosphorous
> limitations on
> our motor oils. This limitation is the main reason most
> AMSOIL motor
> oils are not API licensed. AMSOIL INC. currently
> disagrees with this
> limitation and feels strongly that the reduced wear and
> longer oil and
> additive life achieved through higher levels of
> properly balanced
> phosphorous content is more important than the
> arbitrary API
> phosphorous limit that does not give any consideration
> to the NOACK
> volatility level of an oil. When chemistry is developed
> that will
> provide superior engine wear protection with reduced
> phosphorous
> levels, or Noack volatility considerations are put in
> place, then the
> phosphorous level will become a non-issue.
>
> Warranties And API Licensed Motor Oils
>
> Fortunately, the law does not allow manufacturers to
> "void your
> warranty" simply because of the brand of oil you use,
> the
> specifications it meets or the miles you drive between
> oil changes. To
> be specific, they cannot deny to fix your broken radio,
> faulty valve
> or cracked piston because you used an AMSOIL non-API
> licensed motor
> oil, or because you've gone more than 3000 miles since
> your last oil
> change. Denial of warranty coverage must be
> specifically due to an oil
> related failure. All courts of law will find against
> any manufacturer
> or dealership that tries these warranty shenanigans. If
> any automobile
> dealership insinuates that your warranty will be void
> if you use
> AMSOIL products or utilize extended drain intervals,
> let AMSOIL INC.
> know the name of the Dealership, the address, the
> owner's name and the
> name of the employee that made this statement. Mail to:
>
> AMSOIL INC.
> Attention: Technical Services Department
> AMSOIL Building
> Superior, WI 54880
>
> or e-mail to te...@amsoil.com.
>
> They will almost never put it in writing, but if they
> do, please send
> us a copy of that, too. Either way, we will send them a
> letter
> informing them cease the intimidation of our customers.
> Click HERE to
> read a sample letter.
>
> Only if the oil is determined to be the direct cause of
> the engine
> problem can a manufacturer or dealership deny warranty
> coverage for
> that specific problem. In this situation the AMSOIL
> warranty would
> apply, and the AMSOIL Technical Services Department
> would assist you
> in processing your claim and in getting the vehicle
> repaired. That's
> our pledge to you. AMSOIL INC. sells millions of
> gallons of oil per
> year and warranty claims are a rare occurrence. If you
> ever have a
> warranty problem with an automobile manufacturer or
> dealership, AMSOIL
> will assist you by analyzing the problem and providing
> data supporting
> the fact that repairs should be made under the vehicle
> manufacturer's
> warranty. If this does not resolve the problem, AMSOIL
> will submit a
> claim with our insurance company and request that an
> adjuster have the
> vehicle repaired and pursue legal settlement later if
> necessary. The
> fact is there never has been an engine failure
> attributed to the
> non-performance of AMSOIL products, and we do not
> expect there ever
> will be. If it ever did, both AMSOIL and our insurance
> company would
> make certain your problem was resolved. Click HERE to
> see the AMSOIL
> Limited Warranty.
>
> How Does AMSOIL INC. Ensure Their Products Meet Or
> Exceed The Minimum
> Specifications Of The Tests Required For API Licensing?
>
> First, AMSOIL INC. works closely with major additive
> companies to
> select the top performing, and usually most expensive,
> passenger car
> and heavy duty diesel motor oil additives. These
> additives have
> already passed all of the API licensing requirements in
> a petroleum or
> synthetic based formulation. Then we work with the
> additive company to
> maximize the amount of additive used and to boost the
> additive package
> in selected performance areas to achieve an optimum
> performing
> additive package for reduced wear and extended drain
> intervals. This
> is unlike the vast majority of companies who, because
> additives are
> expensive, use the minimum amount of the least
> expensive additives
> required to meet the minimum API requirements.
>
> We then utilize a blend of synthetic basestocks with
> known performance
> characteristics as a replacement for the petroleum
> basestocks to
> optimize performance in areas of lubricity, volatility,
> viscosity
> index, oxidation and nitration resistance, pour points,
> flash points,
> deposit control, soot handling, emissions, etc. We also
> will utilize a
> highly shear stable V.I. improver to ensure viscosity
> retention
> throughout extended drain intervals. This replaces the
> inexpensive and
> less shear stable V.I. improver used in the API
> licensed petroleum
> formula. We do laboratory bench tests before running
> field tests to
> verify the superiority of the synthetic formula in
> actual use. We also
> continue to monitor the performance of the oil through
> close scrutiny
> of tens of thousands of oil analysis tests per year
> across a wide
> variety of vehicles all around North America and the
> World. AMSOIL
> INC. has been collecting used synthetic oil samples
> from passenger
> cars since 1982. No other oil company has such a vast
> data base of the
> performance of synthetic lubricants over extended drain
> intervals.
>
> AMSOIL INC.'s products and formulations outperform API
> licensed oils.
> They're engineered that way. Period.
>
> Conclusion
>
> AMSOIL INC. takes pride in never having conformed to
> industry norms or
> standards when those standards are contrary to peak
> performance. We
> introduced synthetics to the automotive world in 1972
> with the first
> synthetic motor oil to exceed API performance
> specifications. At that
> time other manufacturers refused to recognize the
> superior performance
> of synthetic motor oils. Now, however, most companies
> sell synthetic
> lubricants, vehicles are factory filled with synthetic
> motor oils and
> gear lubes, and some manufacturers even offer extended
> warranties if
> you use synthetics. AMSOIL has always offered extended
> drain intervals
> because the oil was capable of performing for extended
> drains, and it
> was the right thing to do for the consumer. Now the
> entire industry is
> moving in that direction. Ironically, it was recently
> published that
> automotive manufacturers will be recommending extended
> drain intervals
> of up to 15,000 miles in the near future because that's
> what consumers
> want.
>
> AMSOIL is a company of firsts. That doesn't happen by
> always
> conforming to industry norms and standards.
>
> API licensing of lubricants is voluntary, and it
> ensures automobile
> manufacturers and consumers that the product meets a
> set of minimum
> standards. Should these standards, in the future, be
> raised to a level
> consistent with AMSOIL's standards for motor oil
> performance, AMSOIL
> will consider licensing all oils. For those that feel
> pressured to use
> an API licensed product, we have them and encourage you
> to use them
> (XLT, XLF and PCO). AMSOIL does offer better performing
> motor oils
> that are not API licensed for all of the reasons
> explained in this
> response. They provide our customers with alternatives
> to the
> commodity products typically available in the market
> today. If you
> want the convenience of extended drain intervals or the
> top
> performance from your vehicle, AMSOIL has taken time to
> engineer the
> very best money can buy.
>
>
> Michael
>
>
> .
> A preacher is the blind
> leading the blind...
>
> The Last Church
> http://www.thelastchurch.org
> mic...@thelastchurch.org
I knew sooner or later you would spout one of your famous NO science
lies. Now you know why everyone knows your a fu*k up. It is scientificly
impossible for it to soak into the metal meat head. The crank is not
porus, Any thing that will attach under heat will also unatach with same
heat so no coating either. Actuall science applies not magic.
I am now done playing with the brain dead. You can now go back to your
normal delusions. KB
Jim
I commute 2 miles down hill at 4:00am.
2 miles up hill at 4:00pm.
It's too cold, with too much to carry in the morning to bike.
Too hot, and I'm too tired after 12 hours to bike home.
I get on the freeway a few times a week for 10-20 minutes.
I NEED to get that thing in to the dealer!!
Sorry about the abuse.
Jim
Jim
>You can't put words in my mouth but I can put my dick
>in yours.......Suck or blow, it's your choice.
>
>
>Michael
BTW, don't they have gay newsgroups for you to solicit your
proclivities?
Jim
Dr. Robert B. Hoffman
Its "alot", not allot, before you go on calling other people stupid.
<mic...@thelastchurch.borg> wrote in message
news:8d9f3v0vg86em17ud...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:31:44 -0800, The OTHER Kevin in
> San Diego <skiddz *AT* adelphia *DOT* net> wrote:
> >Michael, you're a fuggin' moron!!!!!
>
> And you could be to if you get allot smarter.
> BTW it's spelled Fucking moron.
>
Stretch
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego wrote:
> He made a comment to me a couple months back about being able to "type
> with a dick in my mouth." Wishful thinking on his part to say the
> least, but having a male member in my mouth wouldn't do much towards
> preventing the operation of my fingers on a keyboard.
Man, I can see it now...
Hot secretarys typing with dicks in their mouths.
This shit is unreal... Click Here!!!
>
> The "man" is absolutely brilliant! He spews bullshit, talks out his
> ass and when he's obviously behind the intelligence curve and gets
> called on it, he hurls homosexual insults. Just killfile the
> pinhead. He's not even amusing anymore...